So I just found out my friend is a complete fucking wackbag...

[Sphyzex_9]

Wow...So I've known this guy at work for a while. He's a pretty decent guy, but earlier today I slowly began to realise he's completley insane. Not just insane. I mean completly fucking bonkers insane.

It started when I was chatting with him about politics and he brought up how he thought 9/11 was a conspiricy. I was like whatever. I didn't wanna argue, but then he went on to say how he thought the FDA puts a poison like substance into all foods to make people into zombie like slaves for the government....I'm like. Okaaay that's a stretch but yeah some food is bad for you....Then later on he started talking about how UFO sightings are real, I'm like how would you know that? and he's like "well there's a lot of pictures of them, so yeah they're real". He was serious too.

-This is the mild stuff. it gets kinda scary soon.

So then I brought up the current crisis in Iran, which he was unaware of (he doesn't watch the news) so I explained it and he was like. "Yeah we're just as bad as them if not worse". I'm like are you kidding? They're killing people simply for protesting. And he's like yeah we'll our political system's complety corroupt, I'm like *sigh* here we go again, so I ask why and he says because the presidents are all linked to a royal liniage. I'm like wtf does that mean? and he says..( keep in mind that he is in no way trying to be funny, sarcastic, or ironic. He really believes this)...that there is a race of half human half reptile people that live in the core of the earth called Anunnaki that enslaved the human race years ago and force us to use only 10% of our brains and how they run the world.

I'm like your fucking kidding me, but he was dead serious. I'm like where the fuck would you get something like that? and he said "It's on the internet. You just have to look for it" Here's where he got the information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid#Conspiracy_theory


So there you go. I know an insane person. I guess they come in all types.

Wow.....just wow.....I'm speechless...

[Zaxser]

Andrew Jones think the worlds going to end in 2012 cause the Mayans told him so.

Alan Moore says he did acid with Moses and Aristotle.

I think anyone can become a great artist if they practice enough.

You've gotta let some shit slide. Chances are some one thinks your ideas are crazy too.

[alesoun]

Hahahah! C'mon, we all know Elvis is pumping gas in Vegas! ;)

[Grief]

yawn.

[Flake]

Forward him this, he'll love it.

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

[Eric Lofgren]

Then there's all those folks who claim to know of someone who was born from a woman who didn't have sex with anyone; can walk on water; turn water into wine and come back to life after dying. WTF!!!??

[Sphyzex_9]

I just had to post this, I mean I knew this guy for a while. It was just creepy and sad.

[KarylGilbertson]

Then there's all those folks who claim to know of someone who was born from a woman who didn't have sex with anyone; can walk on water; turn water into wine and come back to life after dying. WTF!!!??

There's always someone who's gotta bring religion into it...

[AsaB]

If you try reading the whole reptile/Annunaki/2012 etc theories with the attitude that it's all fiction, I guarantee a good time :P Seriously, some of this stuff is so far-out that it's impossible to even try to be offended or surprised, so just let go! I remember reading about this guy who intends to make a movie (or was it trilogy?) about the whole Annunaki thing. I'm still eagerly waiting!

I rather enjoy reading about alternative theories about pretty much anything, so I've gathered quite of an overview during the past years. I'm certainly not saying I believe it, it's just interesting and I'm the curious type.

But I still find it unnecessary for you to judge that guy and make fun of him here because of his unorthodox beliefs. I believe most are somewhat familiar with these theories, so what he's one of them? As long as he's not forcing them upon you, I see no harm done.

[VulgarDragon]

Hahahah! C'mon, we all know Elvis is pumping gas in Vegas! ;)

And Michael Jackson isn't really dead. He faked his death and was taken to another galaxy by aliens to be with Elvis and Bob Marley....

[•Lindsay•]

If you try reading the whole reptile/Annunaki/2012 etc theories with the attitude that it's all fiction, I guarantee a good time :P Seriously, some of this stuff is so far-out that it's impossible to even try to be offended or surprised, so just let go! I remember reading about this guy who intends to make a movie (or was it trilogy?) about the whole Annunaki thing. I'm still eagerly waiting!

I rather enjoy reading about alternative theories about pretty much anything, so I've gathered quite of an overview during the past years. I'm certainly not saying I believe it, it's just interesting and I'm the curious type.

But I still find it unnecessary for you to judge that guy and make fun of him here because of his unorthodox beliefs. I believe most are somewhat familiar with these theories, so what he's one of them? As long as he's not forcing them upon you, I see no harm done.Have you ever talked to someone who is genuinely concerned about this stuff? For some people it's more than just curiosity, whatever theory they believe in becomes their main reason for existing and they can talk about it forever. It's unsettling. Once I listened to someone who thought mathematical theorems were out to get him, and it's one of those conversations I'm just never going to get out of my head even though it made no sense.

[AsaB]

Have you ever talked to someone who is genuinely concerned about this stuff? For some people it's more than just curiosity, whatever theory they believe in becomes their main reason for existing and they can talk about it forever. It's unsettling. Once I listened to someone who thought mathematical theorems were out to get him, and it's one of those conversations I'm just never going to get out of my head even though it made no sense.
I have and I constantly do! I have a close family member who's a firm believer of said conspiracy theories, which is actually the reason I started reading more about it all in the first place long time ago--although the reason I still continue is more out of curiousity or even just habit. I've exposed to that for well over a decade now.

I can obviously understand how many are unsettling (the conversation you mentioned is a good candidate), but I've somehow managed to just distance myself from those by now, probably with long practice. So yeah, as long as said person is just explaining his opinion and isn't forcing his beliefs on me, I can remain cool. I don't find it my role either to change other people's opinions, no matter how unrealistic or weird they are. I explain my point of view and that's it. I guess that's just the attitude I've come to have during all this--I'm not the debating type, it seems! :)

[ThabisoMhlaba]

Seriously man 2012 we're all screwed. There's even a movie about it.

[s.ketch]

You think that's crazy?


Then you haven't seen the deals on great instructional videos by the crew of Massive Black. Fresh out da kitchen is Jason Chan's Character Design Volume 2. FOR ONLY $20.

You gotta be kidding me, $20?

This has to be a conspiracy.

Maybe it is, maybe you should follow it all the way to the top where you'll find more convienient links to more great deals! More? Goddamn I am sweating with anticipation.

Mike Bierek's "The Mystery of Form." Form is all around you people, it's on the back of the one dollar bill with a big eye on top, it's on your computer, it is your computer. Learn all about this mystery called form when you download this great instructional video for only $15.

You couldn't find this much artistical knowledge even if you knew daVinci (who helped point us all to the truth behind Christ and Marry Magdalene through his paintings).

[Noah Bradley]

I've always loved browsing the Flat Earth Society forums (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/)for a good laugh.

Ah, nothing like a good ice wall.

[DeadlyFreeze]

You think having a friend like that is bad, try dating one of these fun folk. I was with this girl for awhile and one day she went off on how computers were made by aliens because humans couldn't be smart enough to develop such technology. At first I thought it was just a joke and laughed but she went on with all this crazy poo poo. I tried to explain moore's law but she just got pissed and said I didn't understand because I wasn't "open minded"...

[Ilaekae]

I used to room with some Carnegie Tech students back in the sixties. It took us two years to figure out one guy thought he was a vulture. Not a fantasy. Not a "split" personality. Not "acts like one." An actual vulture, as in staring at people for hours waiting for them to drop dead so he could eat. It would have been okay if he hadn't done it hunkered on top of our porch rail staring at people waiting for the bus...drooling.

He was finally institutionalized about three years later. Don't even ask me how he survived so long, because then I'd have to seriously think about what he was actually eating all that time...

[cmalidore]

I used to room with some Carnegie Tech students back in the sixties. It took us two years to figure out one guy thought he was a vulture. Not a fantasy. Not a "split" personality. Not "acts like one." An actual vulture, as in staring at people for hours waiting for them to drop dead so he could eat. It would have been okay if he hadn't done it hunkered on top of our porch rail staring at people waiting for the bus...drooling.

He was finally institutionalized about three years later. Don't even ask me how he survived so long, because then I'd have to seriously think about what he was actually eating all that time...


...damn! I can't help but love your stories.... weren't you the one that tried to murder your printer from lack of sleep long ago? Write a book or something...

[Straight Edge Ryan]

Know why so many people but stock in 2012? Because it's specific. Every religion has a prediction about the end, what makes this different is it gives a specific time and date for it, most just give vague signs, for christianity the majority are war, death, famine and plague (we've had all those for a while) but nothing too concrete. It's like if I said "Im gonna blow up a bank in a couple of months" everyone would be like "okay Ryan whatever", but if I said "I'm gonna blow up a bank Thursday, July 24th at 10:30 A.M.", THATS when everyone's like "oh shit I think he's serious"

[Dimension]

the majority are war, death, famine and plague (we've had all those for a while) but nothing too concrete.

I know most of you will think I'm crazy, but I don't really give a Fuck anymore :)

Not quite... Here's a few concrete predictions: Israel will again become a nation (happened), the temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt (already started sort of, they've already successfuly genetically engineered the red heffer and they've started building sacred temple shit), a one world dictatorship, an economic system which will require a mark on your forehead or right hand and the one world dictator's name will add up to 666 using the old Hebrew numbering system (all letters assigned specific numbers). If that's not concrete I don't know what is. There's more too.

As for 911 conspiracies, here's a few things to ponder. Building 7, collapsed from falling debris and small fires, that's the official story. That is unprecidented. Any architect or demolitions expert will tell you that that collapse could not have happened without a controlled demolition. Many if not most will say the same thing about the twin towers.

Melted steel beams from jet fuel? I thought jet fuel didnt' even burn near hot enough to melt steel. Huh... Scientifically speaking that's impossible.

The jet engines "vaporized" but the terrorists passports were found lying in perfect condition in the rubble.

Nano thermite.

Insurance worth double what the buildings were worth taken out mere weeks (can't remember the exact amount of time) before 911.

It's no wonder the gov't doesn't want to do a thorough investigation.

Yeah we're just as bad as them if not worse

What do you have now in Iraq, a million dead civilians? I think Saddam reached what, maybe 100,000? What about the Vietnam war? What about the violent police beatings in Seattle in the 90s? How about the factual torture of detainees at Guantanimo? People not charged of any crime. Go back a little further and the United States record gets really ugly. Brutal murder of the natives, slavery etc. Get off your high horse. Open your eyes.


he says because the presidents are all linked to a royal liniage

That's partially true. Some of them are distant cousins. I think if I recall correctly, all but two have been freemasons as well(like 32nd, 33rd degree).
If you want to have some fun, you should check out Bohemian grove and Skull and Bones. If that shit doesn't scare the crap out of you I don't know what will. Bush and Kerry both admited to being members of Skull and Bones. They always change the subject immediately when confronted about their membership.

At Bohemian grove, elected officials perform mock sacrifices to a 20ft tall (If I recall correctly) owl and parade aound in KKK style robes. Some of them have admitted to attending on video but do not disclose the types of activities they perform.

Unfortunately, your friend has gone off the deep end and gives "conspiracy theorists" (whatever the hell that even means any more) a bad name. How 2012, aliens, anunaki and lizard people got mixed up with government corruption etc. is beyond me.

[Ilaekae]

The 2012 freaks are full of shit because they don't know how to interpret the beliefs/"prophecies" as written.

On December 21, 2012 (Winter Solstice), the Earth, Sun and the center of the Milky Way will align at the Galactic Equator for the first time in 25,800 years. It will also be roughly the period when the cyclic 11.5-year increased incidence of solar flares peak.

The Mayans, and a number of other civilizations, noted this phenomena BUT did not necessarily believe that the world would end. They simply believed it would BEGIN a new cycle. (One of the exceptions is the Southwest Hopi belief that the world will shake off/punish its human "infections" by turning the artifacts of man against man to cleanse and heal Mother Earth.)

ALL end of the world/universe/everything bullshit comes primarily from western Christian apocalyptic freaks who are just dying to die to prove something to themselves, something they've been predicting for nearly 2,000 years with about as much accuracy as i predict the frequency of my farts.

Since my religious beliefs are a bit similar to the Hopi (Earth as God/Goddess), I'm going to turn off all my appliances to play safe, go out in the back yard with a case of beer and wait for 2013 to start while the rest of you bastards are eaten by you lawnmowers, blenders, washing machines and Humvees... :)

[velderia]

And people thought I was crazy for taking chemtrails seriously...

[fionkell]

Hmm. After reading through this, I've conlcuded that I really need to go watch The X-Files again. Damn that was a good series.

[s.ketch]

_c6HsiixFS8

Just in: metallic oxide salt causes rainbows in water.

[B u r l]

i love the youtube comments:
I wish I could put that sprinkler up my ass and turn it on full blast. I want rainbows to come out of my ass because I'm straight.
maybe i'm up too early

[O-mie]

I had to have a chuckle at the "presidents all come from some royal lineage thing". I guess he doesn't take genetics into mind, considering the current US president isn't exactly white, lmfao.

I'd say he should pick up some hobbies, or something. Next time he starts talking to you about this, just scream "RUN THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE" and flee from him. He won't come out of his cellar for months, I Guarantee it!

[slug45]

A nice therapy:

http://images.tvrage.com/shows/5/4795.jpg

And Sphyzex_9, no offense but as Tyler Durden would say: "Man, you've got some fucked up friends, I'm tellin' ya."

And BuckWeisel I couldn't help it, but you just made me remember xDD :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/LOOM_advert_in_Monkey_Island.png

[George Abraham]

Wikki quote :"The Syrictæ of India (not to be confused with the Sciritae of ancient Greece) were a legendary tribe of men with snake-like nostrils in place of noses and bandy serpentine legs.[citation needed]"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Temple-luxor-egypt.JPG/450px-Temple-luxor-egypt.JPG

Thanx mr sculptor with an erasor. Hehehehe!!

Lucky I have all the Castenada books before they erase that too... :D

I wonder, what was so important that it had to be erased? or was it just :"Hey, this is luxor, egyptian artifact trade central, if you can't make it look real just whack it off, so your sphinx replica has lost it's arm, fawk it, it looks real that way."

[George Abraham]

For the record, Christianity have never predicted dates only events, the event's themselves are showing you what time it is.

No why after looking at it for so long, has the realisation never sunk in that the milky way is a really close galaxy, our galaxy?

http://www.astro.wisc.edu/glimpse/skymt_payne_big.jpg

Well the book ends somewhere saying that everything rolls up like a big scroll.

[George Abraham]

Wait, that wasn't scary enough..

I think it works better if you stare at it from this angle.

[George Abraham]

I can't stop, this is too juicy.

from this article:http://www.depts.ttu.edu/communications/news/stories/07-12-milky-way.php

"The outer halo, however, seems to be composed of a population of stars which were stripped from smaller galaxies that orbited counter to the rotation of the disk. While small galaxies which orbit with our galaxy’s rotation tend to rapidly fall into our galaxy, the retrograde orbiting satellite galaxies dissolve and their stars are spread throughout the outer halo."

That's a bizarre assumption, that we are already sucked onto it...? And that spinning rotation caused the suck onto action? What if it was just being alighned in a magnetically strong formation?..

[edit]
OK being a nut is fun...

This is D'Holbachie-yoko's space odessy, linked from her site, perhaps not allowed but I need to show this, it's too good.

http://www.dholbachie.com/view2/dHolView2.image/odyssey_v.gif

[XanaChama]

It just sounds like to me like that person has a problem with reality. Like once they started getting into the conspiracy theories, they started believing it. Like people who refuse to believe in the things they see, because they believe all reality is a dream. They just want to believe all things are different than what they appear, and if it makes 'sense' to them then it must be real... just distortions of reality created by ego I think.

It becomes easier to legitimize a lot of supernatural/out-there things when you push your boundaries of logic farther than the norm. I don't know if that is necessarily insane as much as it makes you incredibly prone to being deillusional. Now if they go around talking to walls and say they won't use telephones because the government is trying to download their brain, then that's a different matter. Just sounds like to me they want to believe in whatever they want. Just like I want to believe I'm as popular as Paris Hilton and that I'm gonna get a million dollars because I'm pretty or something... just take that much farther, and there you go.

(I don't really believe that. But it's funny if you thought I did...)

[George Abraham]

That's normal. That's like fanatic conspiracy, it's entertaining and a form of alterier logic. Stuff people might get into but then make too much of it, buys the books etc and get fed crap. It's entertaining and not that far from being a superhero nut or whatever.

The fun starts when turn schizo, then logic climbs in there. It's right, you learn about delusion and need to know what delusion is or it will screw around with you and some stuff are ego based especially paranoia. You can ask a paranoid:"Do you really think you are that important that X will happen to you?"

But what it does leave behind is a seers gift should you recover and that's to look at things through the eyes of fear, It just ends up being another way to look at things, and that puppy can crack alot of cryptic locks but you need to have your feet flat and not indulge, scizophrenia is just someone who descovered a new neurological abillity and indulges like a mo-fo.

Seporating the ego from your thinking in any types of thinking is a step towards more accurate intuition. Being a passive observer is the first step towards learning and recovery. Leaving options open and never absolute as you build new structures of detected possibillities is also another skill. Looking for matches, patterns, simmilaries, etc. You should never accept anything whole heartedly and never reject anything wholeheartedly. Indulging burns energy and wears you out, you need to learn to relax and let go but the mind doesn't let go of any new features, they are there to stay.

I am starting to sound like Don Juan now.

Anyone can fear what happens to themselves but fewer fears fates for peoples outside of themselves.
Fear and faith is also manifestative forces to your own resources so you need to be carefull how and what you fear.
If you fear your enemy you have lost already, if you indulged in their size and how large they are you are done for.
Dreaming can help you understand these things if you can interpret what dreams are trying to teach in the realm of energy and non normal objectivity. When schizo your spirit are exposed and all the normal defenses are screwed, so recovery actually means learning to manage your spirit or personal power. That's why I think Castenada's books where of paramount importance if you can extract the usefull stuff from it not all of it goes down as legit or it may be far fetched but the stuff on cultivating a stronger spirit is solid gold.

[Wooly ESS]

Osama bin Laden is driving a cab in Kansas City.

[aussiedeza]

I think what it comes down too is Critical thinking there is always more then one side to a story and to ever think your infallibly correct on a matter only makes you look like an ass in the end.

I am always open to new ideas/Information but from what i have learned so far its pretty hard not too deny that today's system is nutz and only benefits a few over many.

[Choob]

Then there's all those folks who claim to know of someone who was born from a woman who didn't have sex with anyone; can walk on water; turn water into wine and come back to life after dying. WTF!!!??

Jesus can walk on water but Chuck Norris can swim through land. 0.o

Sounds like he's taking the piss, but if not, well, there's crackpots everywhere.

;)

aussiedeza: I agree with you there man. It's about time we had a revolution.

[Katfayheirti]

My whole family was replaced by android replicants years ago ;P

[Peter Coene]

You think that's crazy?


Then you haven't seen the deals on great instructional videos by the crew of Massive Black. Fresh out da kitchen is Jason Chan's Character Design Volume 2. FOR ONLY $20.

You gotta be kidding me, $20?

This has to be a conspiracy.

Maybe it is, maybe you should follow it all the way to the top where you'll find more convienient links to more great deals! More? Goddamn I am sweating with anticipation.

Mike Bierek's "The Mystery of Form." Form is all around you people, it's on the back of the one dollar bill with a big eye on top, it's on your computer, it is your computer. Learn all about this mystery called form when you download this great instructional video for only $15.

You couldn't find this much artistical knowledge even if you knew daVinci (who helped point us all to the truth behind Christ and Marry Magdalene through his paintings).
Hmm, and there seems to already be advertisements for it all over this site... heres where the conspiracy gets creepy... maybe they already expected us to realise that the things are for sale from their advertising, and anyone who's going to buy the things got the idea from those ads, and those who aren't going to saw the ads and they don't need someone shoving it under their nose.

[Straight Edge Ryan]

in any case, let the crazies believe what they want. They're not hurting anyone. Hell they're entertaining us right now

But if it turns out that they're right, we're all gonna look like a bunch of assholes

[hippl5]

Hmm, and there seems to already be advertisements for it all over this site... heres where the conspiracy gets creepy... maybe they already expected us to realise that the things are for sale from their advertising, and anyone who's going to buy the things got the idea from those ads, and those who aren't going to saw the ads and they don't need someone shoving it under their nose.

Don't be so closed-minded. Jason is obviously hoarding money to research and manufacture Coro's gun concepts so Massive Black can invade Zambia to take over the cobalt mines, so Elwell will never run out of cobalt hue paint.

[donm]

Don't be so closed-minded. Jason is obviously hoarding money to research and manufacture Coro's gun concepts so Massive Black can invade Zambia to take over the cobalt mines, so Elwell will never run out of cobalt hue paint.

I KNEW IT!

[Jason Ross]

The David Ickey "Reptoids" conspiracy is way out there and I don't believe in it at all. He's in the deleted scenes of Bill Maher's Religulous dvd and talks like a sane person and even admits that his conspiracy will sound nutty. But the idea that conspiracies don't exist is plain absurd. Even when a conspiracy is put in the light of the public (google Oliver North Iran Contra affair) we still "trust" that people don't conspire within our government to make profits. The idea that the majority of US presidents come from royal lineage (british and french royalty) is true from what I've looked into, but I am not sold on the fact that it's some planned occurrence...I believe in UFO sitings in that the are just "unidentified" but that's about as far as I go. If aliens have enough sense to build a ship to navigate the cosmos, then they have enough sense to stay out of site or wipe us out.

But I still find it amazing that people accept that a guy living in a cave in "Afghanistan" could plan for "Saudi Arabians" to train in the U.S. and attack us and even after invading "Afghanistan" find that this guy is still not even wanted for the attack. I would think that after invading and occupying a host country that the guy would at least be wanted for the crime alleged. Goggle "able danger" as well to learn that most of the "high jackers" were identified and monitored prior to 9-11.

[RyerOrdStar]

I think your friend's been watching too much CSI, reptile conspiracy and all.

[Elam]

But I still find it amazing that people accept that a guy living in a cave in "Afghanistan" could plan for "Saudi Arabians" to train in the U.S. and attack us and even after invading "Afghanistan" find that this guy is still not even wanted for the attack. I would think that after invading and occupying a host country that the guy would at least be wanted for the crime alleged.

That's news to me. (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm).

Truthers are so discriminating is their conspiracy judgements.

[alesoun]

The idea that the majority of US presidents come from royal lineage (british and french royalty) is true from what I've looked into, but I am not sold on the fact that it's some planned occurrence....

Given the libido of some of our royalty a few centuries back, large swathes of people who AREN'T U.S. presidents could probably claim the same. ;)

[Jason Ross]

That's news to me. (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm).


You haven't read that thoroughly.

"MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH"

CAUTION

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

This is the best they can do...being a suspect to the undefined "other" is enough to warrant invading a country. Not once is 9-11 even mentioned so I'm not sure why Elam decided to highlight the fact that either he hasn't read the document thoroughly or hasn't read it at all.

June 1999
Poster Revised November 2001


Truthers are so discriminating is their conspiracy judgements.
Obviously...

[gnarl]

-This is the mild stuff. it gets kinda scary soon.


Watch it get even scarier when you find out he's a member here. Imagine the next day at work, from behind you hear "So I just found out my "friend" is a complete fucking wackbag huh?!"

[Elam]

This is the best they can do...being a suspect to the undefined "other" is enough to warrant invading a country. Not once is 9-11 even mentioned so I'm not sure why Elam decided to highlight the fact

You said he wasn't wanted for the attacks. Clearly, he is, as the poster states. The reason 9/11 isn't explicitly listed by the FBI is because he hasn't formally been charged in a U.S. court of law for events related to 9/11( or the USS Cole and the 1993 WTC bombings). And plans were on the board (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/24/september11.usa2)to invade Afghanistan if the Taliban did not hand over Bin Laden for his role in the Africa Embassy bombings, regardless of 9/11.

This whole direction is rather silly, but so is Trutherism, so I'm not surprised. I am surprised that I'm arguing with one, though.

[Jason Ross]

You said he wasn't wanted for the attacks. Clearly, he is, as the poster states. The reason 9/11 isn't explicitly listed...

...Wow what a fallacy. 9-11 will have to be explicitly listed in order for it to be clear. But please...where does the poster state that he is "clearly" wanted for 9-11?


This whole direction is rather silly, but so is Trutherism, so I'm not surprised. I am surprised that I'm arguing with one, though.
You're not...

[liam.c]

op you see some people would much rather pay attention to the fantasy side of things , or their own personal fantasy . its comes form the same place that gets people playign dnd or any other role playing game , its a kinda larp , and from 18 to 23 people seem to enjoy playing it the most .its about at that age where peopel become aware that theres more going on around them , and there are complexitys to the situation .
no one gives us an instuction manual when we come out of the womb so people do wah thayt can to find sense , even in nonsenese . the conspericy game, espesaly the sillyest ones , is a fun way to get to know the world , it adds a layer of entertainment to learning . i would suggest that tis even much more healthy then the right wing/nationalist/hyperconservitive or relgion game , wich is also fantasy but is reinforced more widely . with the kooky therorys game , it the illusion , or fantasy will become evident over time . the other games that are popular , seem to have much longer more deep seeded problums over time .

baring organic problums with your friends brain , im shure he will turn out fine :) jsut becafull if he starts stockign up on amunition , to fight the green men :P

jr seems to be correct on the poster btw :)

as a side note the whole lizzard alien thing , includeing the massive tunnels under the earth lol , all stems from 2 storys , and funny enough it had its geniss a few months after the show V <the the exact same plot lol > went on air . it was later picked up and expanded over time . some of the orginal storys , related to the reptilians lol were direct theft of plots from the show , after the fact < though im shure some would clame its jsut "their"way of introduceign this "truth" in entertianment form or some such

[JailHouseRock2]

This is what the LOUNGE is all about:)

[Chuckcamo]

Then later on he started talking about how UFO sightings are real, I'm like how would you know that? and he's like "well there's a lot of pictures of them, so yeah they're real". He was serious too.

UFO sightings are real, they are Unidentified flying object (commonly abbreviated as UFO or U.F.O.) is the popular term for any aerial phenomenon whose cause cannot be easily or immediately idenitified. I'm sure 1% of the pictures are Aliens from another world or dimension.

Wait, that wasn't scary enough..

I think it works better if you stare at it from this angle.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=712128&stc=1&d=1246447067

wow when I see stars like that I wonder how many crazy Aliens live amongst our galaxy.

[Jason Manley]

Holy FUCK I just found out it's portrait month!

[George Abraham]

I once thought Osama one of those calculator watches, I freaked and looked into it, Nah.. it was just a normal seiko. Or was it? Hehehehehe!!

Fantacy is dangerous, if those wires get's screwed your brain can be turned into snot by it, especially love-fantacy or delusional fantacy or fear of being gay. If you were/are scizo, you really need to fix that shit fast or you might warp into some devil's bitch, the latins had the original structure of it homophobia, it's a sexual phobia of intimidating sexual advances, some woman even have that and can't say no or they get paralysed by it, today it's differant it's not phobic conditions but that old condition can still happen and you need to sort it out should it happen. Delusional love affairs, when you like a girl that gives all the bodily signals and can warp you any way she want's because she's been to "Hogwarts school of beuty" but never gives you the light of day... That is the ultimate loser state, you have to master your spirit in dealing with the pussy. You need to notice charm and how fawked up such a power can be over you. Hypnosis and NLP are worthy studies for the student of life.

There's always some part of the mind that likes to fawk with you by trying to spark a delusional perception, this is true for everyone not just schizo's. Some just filter this stuff and don't notice it, some are accustomed to it and ignores it. The mind is bored and it's always looking for ways to entertain itself. The best way is to have daydreams instead but daydreams are just daydreams, not the place to go look for logical structures or some believabillity. It's like a quicksilver dude toying with ya, but if it doesn't get the attention or the energy it can't do much. It's actually a teacher it's just that, that part of the mind cant make you learn it can only expose you to the problem with the hope that you might.

The mind is capable of anything and nothing stops it from thinking but the good news is that you don't have to act on it.

[George Abraham]

Sometimes your mind decides to upgrade a little. Or it descovered some old foundational stuff was just fawlty lies, so it's a fun ride trying to fix all that.

The worst that can happen to you is to end up in a mental ward being pumped up with stuff or having permanent prescription drugs that disables half your brain.

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[SMILEFACE]

ID RATHER BE COMPLETEY NUTS' than totally sane but to each thier own

[Elam]

You're not...

Yeah I am. (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1890421#post1890421) Your just too much of a coward to be honest about it, probably because of the scorn and derision that's heaped on such people. You've also got this whole Ron Paul/New World Order thing going on.:x

Let's unpack this statement:

"But I still find it amazing that people accept that a guy living in a cave in "Afghanistan" could plan for "Saudi Arabians" to train in the U.S. and attack us and even after invading "Afghanistan" find that this guy is still not even wanted for the attack. I would think that after invading and occupying a host country that the guy would at least be wanted for the crime alleged. Goggle "able danger" as well to learn that most of the "high jackers" were identified and monitored prior to 9-11."
The only implication of your 'amazement' and all those silly quotes is that something nefarious was behind 9/11, not what thousands of investigative man hours and science have proved otherwise. Regardless, you've been pretty explicit about (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1830339&postcount=10) it(The Red Bandana! Genius!).

Embrace your Trutherism. It shall set ye free.

[Jason Ross]

Yeah I am. (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1890421#post1890421) Your just too much of a coward to be honest about it, probably because of the scorn and derision that's heaped on such people."

You missed the point but here goes...I'm brave enough to put my real name up there as my screen name and voice my opinion despite people like you. Despite as you put it "the scorn and derision that's heaped on such people".
That's a quality that I embrace and is the exact opposite of cowardice...it's bravery. What you are doing is cowardice. Hide behind people of authority and make fun of others not like you...takes a lot of courage I'm sure. When I quoted "you're not", what I meant was that you are not "arguing" ... You have nothing to argue with. You are completely wrong up till now and now you're just trying to change the subject..."haha...Oh look he posted Jesse Ventura...A governor and Navy Seal...What can he possibly know". I am explicit in that I do not believe the official government story but I don't know what qualifies someone with the label "truther". Do I need to march outside the towers on the 9-11 anniversaries now? Maybe get a show? There are many people much smarter than both of us who agree with me...and if you look at any international polls, people (like yourself) who believe the official story are in the great minority.

Yeah I am. (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1890421#post1890421)You've also got this whole Ron Paul/New World Order thing going on.:x

Thank you! A black man supporting a white republican...I have never been so proud to support a politician in my life...that was a great compliment.

Yeah I am. (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1890421#post1890421)
Regardless, you've been pretty explicit about (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1830339&postcount=10) it(The Red Bandana! Genius!).
Cloth from inside the plane survives what a building couldn't...it's genius all right.

[Elam]

Jason, if using your real name on the www is bravery, then you need to get out more. Regardless, the shorter version of your rant is: 'yes, I'm a truther'.

So as I now understand you, being a Navy seal and Governor (and former wrestler) somehow confers Engineering and scientific knowledge? Ventura himself said he got all this knowledge from watching ..... Loose Change. ha.

And not only are you a Truther, you have race issues. Your just fucked up, I'd say, but I'm not a psychologist.

Cloth from inside the plane survives what a building couldn't...it's genius all right.
Yeah, and a 13 year old girl survives a plane crash (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/yemen/5712253/Yemeni-airplane-crash-great-survival-stories.html). There's no way that could happen either. And she was African, too. Maybe you can combine your crank/racial obsessions to investigate that impossible phenomena. Orchestrated by the French government perhaps, cause they hate teh Muslims?

[Peter Coene]

You've also got this whole Ron Paul/New World Order thing going on.:x


Whoa, leave Doc Paul outta this! He ain't done nothin' to you!!!

[Eric Lofgren]

Know why so many people but stock in 2012? Because it's specific. Every religion has a prediction about the end, what makes this different is it gives a specific time and date for it, most just give vague signs, for christianity the majority are war, death, famine and plague (we've had all those for a while) but nothing too concrete. It's like if I said "Im gonna blow up a bank in a couple of months" everyone would be like "okay Ryan whatever", but if I said "I'm gonna blow up a bank Thursday, July 24th at 10:30 A.M.", THATS when everyone's like "oh shit I think he's serious"

To that end, it seems to be a classic example of fin de siecle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_de_si%C3%A8cle)

[Jason Ross]

So as I now understand you, being a Navy seal and Governor (and former wrestler) somehow confers Engineering and scientific knowledge? Ventura himself said he got all this knowledge from watching ..... Loose Change. ha.

Obviously as expected...you do not.
Ventura got his knowledge from being a demolitions expert...that's what he trained for as a navy seal. He was an underwater demolitions specialists...so I think he knows the results and what something looks like when it's blown up...Again you prove that you have no idea what you are talking about...speaking of which...I have race issues? That's laughable. I'm black/white/american indian, My wife is asian, and my 2 best friends are white. As expected, you have zero argument but feel that you need to write something to save face. You're embarrassing yourself by using the race card on me.

Yes I heard the story this morning that she survived that wreck. My heart goes out the families. I could very easily illustrate the fallacy in your argument here but I'm not going to compare one tragedy to another like you want me to.

Come on dude...just write something semi-apologetic after getting in the last point and I'll reciprocate so we can go back to being friends in the art forums where it counts. The tread will close if we keep this up.

[Elam]

Yeah, your right. Trutherism is shite, but I apologize for any rudeness.

I need a lounge hiatus.

[Jason Ross]

Yeah, your right. Trutherism is shite, but I apologize for any rudeness.

I need a lounge hiatus.

As do I for any rudeness. See you in the threads that will really make a difference to "our" lives.

[KonnA]

You can't write off every conspiracy. You can however tell him he has a great imagination =]

[Cthogua]

I have a couple of friends who are up on this whole, presidential royal lineage, MSG and Fluoride turn people into brainless zombies, chemtrails, hollow earth, sustainable living equaling herding people into death camps stuff and I have to say for a little while it's at least a little amusing. The thing that really gets me though is they will totally deny any information that comes from proven, reputable sources, that has evidence you can go look up yourself and give preferential treatment to this information that is coming from a single source with no reference (Michael Tsarion usually) Then comes the speculation about completely reasonable things in everyday life that they simply haven't had the education in to understand...like the sprinkler video. That's when it gets really annoying, and shows just how ignorant people are to even simple scientific principles such as the refraction of light in water.

[George Abraham]

I have a good one I figured out myself.

http://www.missouriskies.org/rainbow/rainbow_elam_2.jpg

A rainbow, It's like an optical effect of the sun. The inside of the rainbow's halow is brighter than the outside, so it's like the droplet's behave like a lense that's out of focus. If you ever played with a lens burning stuff you will notice the bright part of the inside of the rainbow is like a defocussed version of that dot.

If something ever altered the refraction on water when it rains and the lens focusses it will make everything catch fire in it's way.

It's like a noah conspiracy. The rainbow is a symbol of peace but also a warning that when god comes again he comes in fire. Might not be possible but it's something to think about.

Creedence Clearwater also wondered about this. hehehe!!

Someone told me long ago theres a calm before the storm,
I know; its been comin for some time.
When its over, so they say, itll rain a sunny day,
I know; shinin down like water.

Chorus:
I want to know, have you ever seen the rain?
I want to know, have you ever seen the rain
Comin down on a sunny day?

Yesterday, and days before, sun is cold and rain is hard,
I know; been that way for all my time.
til forever, on it goes through the circle, fast and slow,
I know; it cant stop, I wonder.

Chorus
Yeah

[Jason Manley]

its portrait month...holy fuck!