The ConceptArt.Org Business Of Art, Part 1

[Jason Manley]

http://store.payloadz.com/go?id=498569

It's out!!! and it's on sale! Fifty percent off for those of you who have been wanting to pick this up. This is highly useful information to any of you who plan to work as freelancers or even in the entertainment industry. The comments on negotiation strategy will help you get jobs, no doubt about it.

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The first in the CA Business Series covers a ton of great information on Non-Disclosure Agreements, Mutual Non-Disclosure Agreements, Rights Transfer Agreements, Non-Competes, and the important Fine Art of Negotiation Strategy. This is not stuff you get in art school. This is the real deal.

The downloads also contain legal documents, so that you can begin to properly do business as a creative in this field. Brought to you by Jeff Makoff Esq. one of the top Art law attorneys in the United States www.makoffs.com and myself. If you could find another lawyer with this knowledge (which is not easy) you would spend anywhere from five hundred to one thousand dollars to get it. Thanks to Jeff Makoff for helping bring down the cost of legal assistance for artists.

I have negotiated more than 400 of these types of agreements to date. When you first start working in the field of entertainment, you can easily be taken advantage of if you do not know this information. Get a leg up on the competition by understanding your legal rights and the intricacies of basic art law. This video will help you better understand the legal side of the business of art and can help you to keep from being taken advantage of by the sharks swimming in industry waters.

This is business and legal for artists and the agreements alone would cost more than five hundred dollars to obtain from an entertainment lawyer. We are including examples of what artists need to do to be successful when beginning to negotiate their business deals, examples of what not to do, and what to do are within. We also cover a number of the pitfalls that can be avoided if you know this stuff. The included agreements are there for your business use. We are setting you up for success.

It is business advice as well as potentially career saving, valuable, legal advice and the strategies included will help you land jobs in the field.

Artists need to know this stuff. ConceptArt.Org is serving it up on a plate.

Jeff is on our side. He is one of the good guys. He has represented CA and MB for years now and his negotiation strategies and ability to make great decisions have been a huge help to my own growth as an artist who became biz guy. He has been a mentor and is a big reason we are successful today. He is a total barracuda and is one of the few lawyers those on the other side would never want to see being up against. He is here to help us and has done exactly that.


Jason

[UnidColor]

man this is gonna be so awsome, thanks like always for making stuff like this! words cannot describe.

[Nrx]

i predict this will be a big seller :p

[Noah Bradley]

Sounds awesome. I'm still probably a couple years off from working in the field, but come that time this information is gonna really come in handy. Thanks for providing this resource.

[kraal]

jason done bumped his head and went crazy.... well before he comes to his sences i am on board for this one

[Brashen]

Ahhh I remember my first commission....did it for some loose change and a few compliments. Great that your sharing this info Jason.

[Kaffinated]

This is....
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FRICKIN AWESOME

[petitemistress]

wow! thanks for this Jason! I'll definitely be getting it cuz I have the hardest time asking for the rates I think i deserve, and all buisness matters in general... :sadcheerleader:

[Asatira]

This is awesome. It's this kind of stuff that isn't covered enough. Thanks Jason and Jeff.

[spaztastic]

maybe this will actually help push me into finally trying to do some freelance stuff... I still don't feel my art is good enough yet to try for anything, but that will change soon enough.
YAY JASON: YA LAWER DUDE WHO IS HELPING :yayca:

[XanaChama]

I approve.

[Darkside]

wow, I can´t wait, thanks for sharing and spreading this sort of information Mr. Manley :) so helpful..

cheers

[Jason Manley]

preview is up!

[Noah Bradley]

Looks invaluable. Thanks Jason!

[Grief]

grrrr this is so worth the $50.
gonna have to wait a few more paychecks until i have the expendable income for this.

[Farvus]

Sounds good. Thanks a lot.

Right now I need to save every penny for the workshop but I'll buy this eventually.

[Jazz]

I can see myself using such info... I'm a kitten with anything legal, so at least I'd like to get some knowledge about it!! Oh, makes me happy!! Thanks, you guys!! @_@

[Devere]

just listening to the preview, this seems pretty solid, and well worth the 15 bucks took me 2 or 3 classes to learn some of this stuff and allot more cash and a book on IP rights, patents, copyright and the whole lot is allot dryer to read through and will cost you more cash which is why, might even pick this up as a refresher, thanks Jason, Jeff and MB.

[john_d]

It's a little more than $15 (It's $50), but still worth every penny. I can't think of anywhere else to get information like this directly targeted to artists.

[Brashen]

Just finished downloading it. Now to spend a quite Saturday morning with it's company.

[Asatira]

Will have to wait a little to get it. But I'm sure it'll so be worth it.

[Jason Manley]

Fifty dollars for information you would pay a MINIMUM of five hundred to a thousand USD if you sat down with an attorney...if you could find one with the knowledge presented. :) We owe Mr. Makoff a big thanks. Really. This goes right along with the point of conceptart.org...to lower the cost of art related education across the board.

[algenpfleger]

Or 20 bucks for the Graphical Artists Guild's handbook =0

[Jason Manley]

Or 20 bucks for the Graphical Artists Guild's handbook =0


Clearly you did not watch it. Please refrain from commentary if you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Jason Manley]

Probably hit the nail on the head there.

Again...see my last post. Honestly I have no clue why you would even discourage people with that comment. Really Rist. This video is filled with information that will keep artists from getting the shaft. There is no one place to find all of it together unless you sit down with a top ten entertainment/art lawyer. The mixture of entertainment and art business, negotiation strategy, and basic legal philosophy is valuable. So is the foundation legal education on the types of agreements used.

So on that note, go ahead and gamble your business using the guild book. You will be playing poker with half a deck.

Thanks.

[Brashen]

It;s ok Rist usually discourages people from choosing the right thing.

I watched it and I must say something....no matter how many agreements\contracts\ndas you've signed there is still a ton of information and scenarios you cant possibly fathom presented by Makoff and Manley. A few notes...some of the art could be distracting as it's so delicious and the audio could have been recorded in a better way in my opinion as some of it echoes slightly.

Cheers.

[Liffey]

I was put off by the $50 tag at first, but when you think about everything MB and CA have done, you should feel pretty darn confident that you're not about to get ripped off. Personally I don't think I'll need this info for a few years yet so I didn't download it, but if you're putting out anything close to professional level art, I wouldn't hesitate to pick this up. $50 is really nothing when you consider the long term value of the information.

[Brashen]

Hahaha...man I'm just pulling your leg mate. No hard feelings? I get riled up too easily as everyone who's met me will attest to it...I'll probably die of high blood pressure. But it is uncool to promote the GAG book on here wouldn't you say?

[Rist]

Honestly I have no clue why you would even discourage people with that comment. Really Rist.

My apology is with buying it :assspank: And I need it :lifedrawing::yayca:

Brashen: Hard to handle you at times. Its forgotten already ;)

[kraal]

i will get this one soon...... have summer stuff to pay for but i know this is a must have

[Arshes Nei]

Thank you for this video. It really discusses the process of negotiating contracts, and how to make changes if you need to adjust the contract. The Graphics Artist Handbook DOES NOT actually go into why this needs to be changed or even how to change it. The edition I have certainly didn't. It's mostly "go to a lawyer" instead of understanding your rights and why you may need to change an NDA or MNDA in certain circumstances.

This is also well spoken video, I know people complained about Zhanglu's video full of "umms' but this is not a problem here. It's well spoken, giving you legal terms and laymen terms.

Jeff and Jason go through several scenarios so that you can see why this will be important.

Does this mean you shouldn't get the Graphic Artist's book for Ethical pricing? Not at all but it still doesn't cover everything. Also, reading all the legalese in the book won't get you to understand it. This video compliments the book. They both don't have everything you need to know so one is filling in where the other lacks.

Jason is not giving you prices, he's telling how to manage your property rights in this first video. He's telling you how to handle the first start of negotiations especially since people misunderstand at what stage an NDA may be given.

I should mention this video also comes with sample docs of an MNDA and NDA

[Jacob Kobryn]

Ugh this stuff makes me dread to become a "real" artist... I don't ever want to grow up! :(

[Rist]

Well its helped me, even if I am not at this stage yet. I'll refrain from commenting my concerns in the future until I have at least seen the video.

[danlambert]

I can't afford it now, as soon as I can it will be bought. Thank you to everyone involved who took the time to make this video, we really appreciate it.

Oh, and fuck piracy

[Jason Manley]

Yeah...the contract negotiation strategy applies all the way through ANY contracts...we will expand upon that in the next video but the foundations of how Ive been able to get about six hundred documents done are there. Negotiation is a delicate art and once you can do it well, there is no stopping you.


Jason

[dortega]

Downloading right now!! Very excited to start watching it! Are these example documents that come with it, ones that we can use for our own? Are they print ready?

[Jason Manley]

yeah they are simple documents you can use and they will be enough to show the intent of required confidentiality. If you are doing something big big big with the games or movie industry you will want to get more specifics added...but for the basics of discussion they are a good place to start. Super simple so easy to get signed.


Thnx for the support.

[ShroudStar]

Bought! :) Thanks, Jason and thanks to Jeff Makoff as well for supplying us with this information. Legalities and stuff like this is very confusing, so this is a resource that will be useful. Been looking into freelancing, so having this under my belt will be great.

[Liffey]

Wow... wasn't going to get this as I'm not up to the level of selling my work yet, but at %50 off I have no choice but to buy. :o

[Theking78]

Wow... wasn't going to get this as I'm not up to the level of selling my work yet, but at %50 off I have no choice but to buy. :o

I've done the same thought as you did!

Just downloading in this moment :)

I hope this will help me in the future when I'll be ready for facing the freelance world in a professional way.

Thank you Jason and MB!

[Darjan Jurincic]

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[janni]

Wow, this was realy useful. Thanks so much!

I have a question though concerning NDA work and showing it in your online portfolio / blog or whatever and in a print portfolio.

Technicaly i shouldn't be allowed to do that right? I shouldn't even be allowed to put the work i did for hire for a video game company into a print portfolio to show to other video game companies which are in competition with the client i did the artwork for.

Everybody these days seems to post work on their blog as soon as the game / movie is realeased though and sometimes even prior to that. How do you usually handle this type of stuff? Do i need to ask for permission in writing?
Their is a lot of work you (Massice Black) did for clients in your thread for games and films that have alraedy been published. Do you have special clauses in an NDA for that? A friend of mine working in animation asked one of her clients if its fine to post work in her online portfolio she did during an internship and the client was so upset about her even asking that they threatend her with their lawyers immediately in their response.
I had a good and friendly relationship with my clients so far and i don't expect anybody to react like that but is this something that regularly happens like that in the industry?
How should i approach a client when asking for permission and do I have any right to at least claim permission to use the work i created for them for means of self promotion at all?

Thanks for your time and all the great videos you've been putting out so far!

[Pilgrim1099]

Jason,

That's fantastic news. I'm glad to see this kind of valuable advice being put together for all of us and it's very much appreciated. One thing though which I'm concerned about is if it has english sub-titles or close captioning in it. I ask because I'm hard of hearing and if I miss most of what's being said, then it could make the video less valued on my end.

Otherwise, I think what you're doing is excellent.

Thanks,

-A

[the conjurer]

"This is not stuff you get in art school. This is the real deal."

unfortunately this is true...thankyou for putting together dvds like this...it is invaluable information.

[Daniel Andrews]

Thanks For the Discount. Just watched it twice, and it answered allot of question I couldn't stomach to read.
Looking forward to more Info Like this.

[Asatira]

Taking advantage of the sale and downloading now. I am not sure if being a professional artist is in my future, but knowing this information is sure to be helpful, no matter the level you're at.

[Danny_K]

Jason you are a golden addition to the industry, you're contribution to the community will not be long forgotten!

Hail!

[Jason Manley]

it does not currently have subtitles. We are beginning to transcribe the videos so this can be taken care of. Shoot me a pm with your email and I will send you a copy to test and if it works you can make a donation to the site for the same amount. Cool? If not just hang tight and we will have them done later in the year.



Jason


Jason,

That's fantastic news. I'm glad to see this kind of valuable advice being put together for all of us and it's very much appreciated. One thing though which I'm concerned about is if it has english sub-titles or close captioning in it. I ask because I'm hard of hearing and if I miss most of what's being said, then it could make the video less valued on my end.

Otherwise, I think what you're doing is excellent.

Thanks,

-A

[HunterKiller_]

Thanks for the discount! Downloading now. :D

[tobi]

Jason,

I haven't purchased this material yet, but the fact alone that you've put this up is just great. I think this DVD is much more important than yet another "How to paint this'n'that". Artists need to know their rights much better, and the information how to exploit one's hardly trained skills is of no less importance than the creation of artistic works themselves. My own history in the creative industry is full of pitfalls I fell in, of letdowns because I didn't know how to best insist in my rights and so forth. All knowledge I have now I had to learn the hard way.
I hope by spreading knowledge like this, the whole creative branch of the industry can improve it's performance in negotiations and when it comes to legal issues.
Very good move, thank you very much!

[Pilgrim1099]

I agree with Tobi! I went through almost some similar situations and still think what Concept Art's doing with the DVDs is fantastic. A great way to educate and empower artists from here on to the future.

-A

Jason,

I haven't purchased this material yet, but the fact alone that you've put this up is just great. I think this DVD is much more important than yet another "How to paint this'n'that". Artists need to know their rights much better, and the information how to exploit one's hardly trained skills is of no less importance than the creation of artistic works themselves. My own history in the creative industry is full of pitfalls I fell in, of letdowns because I didn't know how to best insist in my rights and so forth. All knowledge I have now I had to learn the hard way.
I hope by spreading knowledge like this, the whole creative branch of the industry can improve it's performance in negotiations and when it comes to legal issues.
Very good move, thank you very much!

[tobi]

I have a question though concerning NDA work and showing it in your online portfolio / blog or whatever and in a print portfolio.

Technicaly i shouldn't be allowed to do that right? I shouldn't even be allowed to put the work i did for hire for a video game company into a print portfolio to show to other video game companies which are in competition with the client i did the artwork for.

Everybody these days seems to post work on their blog as soon as the game / movie is realeased though and sometimes even prior to that. How do you usually handle this type of stuff? Do i need to ask for permission in writing?
Their is a lot of work you (Massice Black) did for clients in your thread for games and films that have alraedy been published. Do you have special clauses in an NDA for that? A friend of mine working in animation asked one of her clients if its fine to post work in her online portfolio she did during an internship and the client was so upset about her even asking that they threatend her with their lawyers immediately in their response.
I had a good and friendly relationship with my clients so far and i don't expect anybody to react like that but is this something that regularly happens like that in the industry?
How should i approach a client when asking for permission and do I have any right to at least claim permission to use the work i created for them for means of self promotion at all?

Janni,
well I'm not Jason, I'm sure he's going to get back to you, but maybe I can give you one or two good hints in the mean time, as I presume that you're working under german jurisdiction.

Most of your questions are answered through the NDA you have signed – just read them with care. It's hard to give advice without knowing the contracts you've signed, but usually, the typical NDA says that you mustn't show any material to the public that has not been disclosed by your client before (or any other party who is entitled to do so). So, working under an NDA, you must never be the first mover when it's about taking things to the public, including your own pictures. Just NEVER do so, unless you want to get yourself into trouble.
There is a way though how you can finaly present you pictures to an online audience or to other clients. You have to get a permission in writing. This provision is usually part of the NDA as well. Just kindly ask your contact person when you feel it's about time (like, after release of the prodct you've worked for), give them a list with the artworks you'd like to show, and have your client send a permission fax to you. Usually, that shouldn't be a problem. The story of the friend you're telling here sound a bit strange, but maybe we just don't know the entire story.

It's nice to have a friendly relationship with your clients, but don't mistake that for a friedship. Usually, your clients are not your friends. They need your works, you need their assignents. It's business. But no worries. Just because it's not a friendship, it doesn't mean that the business partners automatically treat each other like robbers. Keep in mind though that you have to fight for your own position from time to time. Don't give in because you want to be friendy, if you've got the feeling this might harm your own interest to a high extent. Don't be ashamed: A disagreement on a certain point in a contract is not an offense, it's not an insult, and if you're about to set up a professional work relationship, your business partner-to-be will understand this attitude and will work with you towards a satisfying end result. For smaller assignments, these negotiations can be solved with one or two phone calls. Just do it if you think you should, and don't hide away your concerns.

So, at some point you might come across a NDA or a type of contract you'd like to have changed. It is a very good idea, for example, to make sure that you are allowed to show your own works in public at some point. Also, keep in mind that you have the right to be properly credited. Look up the Urheberrechtsgesetz (you can find it online, don't have it at my hands right now) and look out for the Urheberrechte (which are basically like moral rights in british or US law). Refer to these rights if you've got the feeling that you get ripped off.

Hope it helps!

[janni]

tobi, hey thanks so much for your reply. this was realy useful. i realy appreciate it!

especially thanks for reassuring me, that to get permission in writing for everything is the way to go, and the german viewpoint on the subject. :)

[Dave Kendall]

I didn't think twice about downloading this.

Due to my naivete, but with no fault of my own, my first professional gig ended with a personal loss of $4000 in 1994. I had to learn how to navigate the legal pathways blind. I remember going back to my old design college to talk to some students. I suggested to the tutors that they devote a couple of hours a week of the curriculum to teaching good legal and business knowledge. They told me this was not of great enough importance to disrupt the present curriculum. Go figure. If only this type or resource was available when i started off.

This is probably the most vital type of video to both pros and beginners on the site. Thanks Jason

[lunascythedragon]

thanks a lot for this to buy and download, I was very sad when I couldn't watch it the day and I thought there would be no chance to see this. I am going to buy it right now.
thanks again :D I am sure it will be helpfull

[The Magistrate]

I'm a bit confused. Is this still on sale? The original posting and edit tags are dated back in June. The current listed price is $25, which would make the full price $50 if the sale is in effect. Is that correct?

[lunascythedragon]

@ The Magistrate it's still for sale and I just bought it and I paid 25$ :)

[German-s]

Am downloading right now & am going to grab Jason's lecture on freelancing (http://conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=170) later this weekend - woo~!

[karkate]

Hi..
wow! thanks for this Jason! I'll
definitely be getting it cuz I have
the hardest time asking for the rates
I think i deserve, and all buisness
matters in general...artmovie (http://www.telekomx.mobi/lp2/iwaay)
Thank you
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[Serpian]

I just watched this and want to say thank you to Mr. Manley and Mr. Makoff. There's definitely a lot of good information in this one! Now about that Independenci In Art lecture.. Is it really four hours long? Dayum...

[Studio Colrouphobia]

Here is a question I'm posting in regards to this video. I havent been able to buy it just yet and I will do so a bit later this fall, but a friend of mine took up a question loosely linked to money, legal matters and art in his journal on Deviant Art. Is this covered in the video (fullrecord on the matter is below) if not, are there any suggestions on how to handle it and/or possibilities it will be taken up in a later video?

Recount of the subject:

Art damage and how assurances handles things


Its about time, to talk about a not so easy topic: Art -damage

In my recent activities there is a case from a group exhibition i was a part of in beginning of may 09.

Nothing wrong with that, a group exhibition at a bank which was organized a half year upfront and planned to end with a local culture-night -again nothing wrong with that, 120 guests at the vernissage, around 2000 visitors in 4 weeks and 500+ visitors at the "finissage" it was a great event but on may the 19th, two of my works were broke by the cleaning company -nothing wrong wth that, a limited print worth 180,- and an original work priced with 1400,- euro.

In July the assurance of the cleaning company started to work on this case with a first answer that they can´t imagine how the prices were set and how the difference comes...?(i should reduce to my first costs??)

Well i thought silly people there, lets send them some balls back and a lawyer started to shout.

The next answer to expect is that still they won´t accept that prices were set upfront, over 2500 visitors could have seen these images and the pieces are not restorable.

and i should show compareable sales to prove.

Hah, what about doing only digital illustrations making the originals even more valuable?

And what about market presence, is it nothing worth today to be a fulltime freelance artist?

Well, this case is just the beginning, and i´m really annoyed by this behaviour-
the most annoying part is that the whole thing costs time, even when hopefully an expert judges my work and it goes to court -it takes time.

I´m pretty sure that i´m right, don´t even want to know how they would reduce to the first costs the "fat chair" (_[StudioC] here was a link_ [StudioC]) from Beuys???

As the case progresses i´ll update you with more news, so stay tuned...

yours fant

Would this be taken up in this downloadable? Otherwise, any suggestions?

[Diar]

I clicked on the link and the item says "5 easy ways to maximize your adsense revenue" for $1.00??? I want to see if this is correct or not. Thank you.

[Jason Manley]

yes it is still available. you can get it on the appropriate link on payloadz...it is not something for adsense. not sure where you saw that.


Thanks for the interest.

Jason

[Jason Manley]

as far as the other legal question...its more of a biz issue. you should settle for less than retail if you ask me. Also I wonder if it is more of a bank insurance matter. But hey, if it was me Id just ask for double what cost was and tell them to settle. Anything over 180 is cash in pocket. If they did it on purpose that would be another story.

[Pilgrim1099]

May I ask when the discount will expire for the video? I hope it'll be near the end of Nov. I'm expecting more $$ coming in this week so I may be able to get that taken care of.

[Chipsterology]

I'm 100% self taught in art/design and even after reading literally 50lbs worth of books on legal issues dealing with the visual arts, all I had to do was hear 2 minutes into the Youtube preview and I cut it off. Why? No need to keep sampling and inspecting what you already know for a fact is pure, uncut gold. I'm purchasing this download immediately. It's like the missing audio CD that should have came with all those books, not to mention I can listen to it while working on something else in my studio. Priceless.

[dortega]

When is part 2 coming out??? The first was amazing info!

[Jason Manley]

We have some other legal videos which will be out in Dec or Jan barring tornadoes or other acts of god. Thanks for asking.

[Pilgrim1099]

I played the demo preview of it on Youtube, even though I could hear the voices, I had a hard time understanding what the lawyer was talking about, missing out details that could be valuable to me. I'm hoping a sub-titled version of it would be in the future.

But, otherwise the video looks excellent.

[MasqueradeFaerie]

I cant thank you enough for this :D finding out this sort of info is entirely worth the price, especially if you can avoid getting ripped off, you have my thanks and payment!

seriously, thank you

[Sir_E_Pent]

I'm 100% self taught in art/
Self Made!

[JuliaLSingh]

That was incredibly good information! Thank you all for the work you did on it. I cannot WAIT to hear the rest of it! This is great information no matter what field of creativity someone is in! I'll be sending a link to the purchase site to a number of my friends!

[favianee]

Thanks for this video tutorial, Jason! Wish I had this when I started freelancing years back. It's worth much more than what I paid for it! Thanks for making it available! Is there a part 2?