RATM: Live at Grand Olympic Stadium

[Marcatili]

Hey all...
Guess what I got for Christmas? No, not my two front teeth...Rage Against the Machine: Live at Grand Olympic Stadium. On DVD no less.
Anyway, to get to the point of posting, I wanted to ask, firstly what people generally thought of the DVD (if you've seen it) and also what people thought about the short film or concert from the Democratic National Convention.

I was thinking of bringing up another question but I know this board isn't usually fond of discussing political matters...

Anyway I personally think RATM were one of the most powerful bands (musically) around from the time they started till they split...although I think their sound was beginning to show a little evidence of stagnating by the time Battle of Los Angeles came out....

any thoughts?

[Mr. Teatime]

i really want to watch that dvd you very luckful person. i've got live at the grand olympic on cd.
personally i think battle of los angeeles contains some of their best work. renegades is the stagnant one. they are (were, i guess) one or the most powerful political band out there.

how many songs are on the dvd? i know the cd doesnt have the full concert.

what was your question going to be out of curiosity? Unless you don't want to post it of cours.

I respect RATM because they stood for a cause and had talent to back it up.
R.I.P. to the group, even though nobody in it is dead.

[Marcatili]

The question isn't really that controversial I don't think but I know that some people don't like to see religious or political debates here on a concept art forum...but ah well, this is the lounge.

The original questions were someone else's from a different board but I thought I'd open it here...
I guess the questions are 'Is the militant stance promoted by RATM a necessary tool in our current global situation, or when there are other options such non-violent protest."
Another concern seemed to be whether or not fans of RATM simply adopted all the political views of the band like sheep simply because they played great music.

I've got my own answers but I'll see if anyone cares enough to respond first.

The DVD has 15 tracks and two 'bonus' tracks. They're all recorded at the Grand Olympic Stadium.
The album doesn't have 'How I Could Just Kill A Man'.
The bonus tracks are People of the Sun and Know Your Enemy.

The DVD also has a film clip for 'How I Could Just Kill A Man'

Personally, I think that RATM's more raw and groove based tracks are more exciting to me...Battle seemed too refined to the point where the energy was gone...Audioslave leaves me feeling the same way.

anyhow...i'll shut up for a bit

[Mr. Teatime]

yeah i dont like audioslave that much either.
RATM's other stuff can be much more exciting then Battle of LA.

I dont believe in all of the views of RATM, but i really like their music, as well as respect them because they have a cause like i said before.

[Skank]

i was, and still am a big fan of RATM, im also a big fan of audioslave, but that niether here nor there...

i think to answer your question about the fans following their political views like sheep just cuz they were a big time rock band, maybe true for some of the more easily swayed masses out there. but really i think the people who got the most out of their music were those who have their own strong beliefs and views. their main message was freedom for everyone...( tho zach's socialist/anarchist views did conflict sometimes..) and the promotion of free will and expression.
i think their anti establishment stance came as a natural by-product of those beliefs.
so some may have been swayed by their strong outcry of rebelion, but i think most of their fans, like me, took what they wanted from their music and enjoyed it.

thats my 2c :chug: :beer:

[Marcatili]

I'd have to agree Skank.
I think the vast majority of people who liked Rage did so at least partially because of their political messages and the way they presented it.
I think that RATM may have influenced some people towards similar political views but I think someone would be a little dense if they were listening to music that said 'don't be a sheep' and then adopted everything that person/band said in a sheeplike manor...

[Mr. Teatime]

I agree skank. take what you want from it.