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mime

November 1st, 2002, 07:31 PM

Here is my tribute to Andrew, i really tried to have life and story in todays portrait, and i'm pretty happy with it, the ressemblance is there, and there is a little something else, i guess ... tell me what you think

1/11/02
http://erhnam.free.fr/spod3.JPG

wow hermchen, great one, i love the colors and the overall rendering

Hexal, welcome here. If you draw every day you will improve like Oblio did. For now i think you should pay more attention to what you see instead of what you think you are seeing ... forget everything you think you know about mouth, eyes, hairs, even forget these words. When you are looking at your reflection in the mirror dont think its a face, dont think its you, just think it is forms, shapes, volumes, and try to reproduce them the more accurately possible, if you see something as a perfect circle (like the pupil) draw it as a perfect circle (thats not the case in your portrait).
Dont try to rush the process, you dont have to have a finished drawing in 5 minutes, you will be able to do that later in your life. just draw slowly, try to view the lines and curves and draw them carefully, if possible in the minimal number of strokes needed, instead of tons of little scribblings. Do that again and again until you can look at both your drawing and the mirror and you see no more mistakes in the shapes and proportions.
post more and more, we will witness your progress :)

Elliot i love that

Oblio, hello, i'm quite new on this forum, so i dont have seen every of your progress and every pictures you have posted, but i must say that like everyone else i am really impressed by your will to learn and your actual success in this task.
Maybe you already did that, but i would like to see a "clean" line drawing from you, instead of all the scribblings. I'm not saying that scribbling is bad, but in art school we only did line drawings (pure black and white) for at least 3 monthes, no values, no color. In fact until a drawing wasnt perfect in shapes and proportions the teachers had us draw it again. The explanation behind that was that the teachers wanted us to learn how to look at things, to see the small variations in the direction of the lines, to be able to eyeball proportions and directions of lines. And we didnt do any values exercices for 2 monthes because they said to us that when we add values to a picture we tend to "correct" a bad drawing with the values, and they wanted us to have a perfect drawing before adding the values in order to havd a perfect final piece (its a bit utopic to use the word "perfect" but you get the point ...)
So I think you whould try to draw more simple, clean line self portraits, trying to find more and more easily the RIGHT line, instead of asking us to find it among several others .... (I'm saying that but i'm stille struggling with that point myself, but i think its the right direction)
I really like your artworks, i hope i'm not sounding harsh or anything.

Flash Solaar

November 1st, 2002, 08:01 PM

Very realistic...alas!

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/flash.solaar/Common/_Galerie/BOZ_SP.JPG

Hexal

November 1st, 2002, 08:12 PM

@Mime - Thanks for the feedback, It didn't take me 5 mins to do though, it took a little while actually.I willtry to slow down even more to find thoses lines and try to really get the proportion right. I'll post one on sinday when i get back from my dads house.

@everyone else, they look Great so far.
I really like yours Daarken.

Also i poted a concept for a samuria in the WIP section. It's been there for a couple days, 54 view and no replies :(

Check it out tell me what you think. :)

keyth

November 1st, 2002, 08:29 PM

Andrew Jones...what can i say? i've never really painted before i came across your thread. i literally owe you a great deal. look at what you have created in all these people. i've learned a lot by doing a SP a day: color, technique, Painter, and a little bit about myself as well(sooo far to go of course). at risk of sounding cheesy, without you i don't know if i would have started something like this.
i am truly thankful!

OB: once again, sorry about earlier. it was a freak accident. don't beat me :p . we go back a long way you and i.

Nov 1
thanks EVERYONE!
http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov1spwebcon.JPG

daarken

November 1st, 2002, 09:07 PM

one i did from last tuesday that i didnt post...this was in oils. didnt turn out as well as i had hoped.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/10-28.jpg

jrr

November 1st, 2002, 09:12 PM

http://www.sleepisevil.com/~jrtistic//forum/selfportrait.jpg this is from today, about 40 minutes.
http://www.sleepisevil.com/~jrtistic/forum/selfport.jpg from a few weeks ago in painter

Android

November 1st, 2002, 09:47 PM

Thank you Keyth, thank you Oblio and thank you to everyone who has joined me in this journey.

i was a little nervous at first.. tributes seem like the thing you do after someone dies. and I am very much alive .i do not need nor do I deserve any tribute.
I am not the paintings I am not the painter. I am only the paint. pay your tribue to the higher artist at work, and pay tribute to yourself.

I want everyone of you to realize what you are doing and how important it is.
you are all artists!, making art for yourself and the sake of art. it dosent come any purer than this. and it is something that is easily taken for granted

I have sacfificed so much for the love of my art. but for one of the first times I can now see how my sacfifices have not been made in vain . every one of your portraits is like a gift to me. thank you all for giving back so much to me in return. I cant explain what is like to see an Artist like oblio come so far in his art so fast and feeling like I had something to do with it. it is a beautifull warm feeling and I can never explain how special that feels. thank you oblio for the dedication of this day.

so my brothers, my sisters, my artists
join me
together let the spirit of art guide us in this journey
into ourselves, into our art, and into our souls.
our posibilities are endless.

Sincerely

Andrew Peter Jones

Andrew Jones

Max S

November 1st, 2002, 10:16 PM

Well I feel like a total newbie... first post, just registered, but I've been lurking and watching the self portrait threads for months now. Great work, everyone! This stuff is what inspired me to get back into art...

Anyway, here's mine... I even added color. Now that's rare for me. hehehe.

http://www.teambg.com/max/max05a.jpg

blankslatejoe

November 1st, 2002, 11:13 PM

Ok, I did this oct 30th, but didnt get a chance to print it till today, and since it was for a large formate digital printing class, I consider printing it to have been "completing" it. this is 30 by 20 inches. I don't normally look this mean, honest.!

Took about 6 hours with my little graphire 2 and ps 7, I only spent that long because I'm using self portriats as a "self motivated personal project" and am turning them in for grades. :):):)

http://ramsites.net/~mirabellojr/images/portfolio/pd_self3.jpg

Thank you Mr. Jones, you have saved the art careers of myself and numerous friends of mine by breathing new life and inspiration into us. You are one of my personal heroes. Here's to another 150 spod's!:chug:

ZippZopp

November 1st, 2002, 11:48 PM

here is my contribution for today, it is a section of a larger piece, but i've got a big game tomorrow and have to get to bed. maybe someone can help me with this little problem, i'm not really liking the feel of my paintings, i need a more painterly feel to them, should i use more hard edged burshes rather than the soft ones?

http://www2.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/eyes.jpg

Grooveholmes

November 2nd, 2002, 12:01 AM

Here's my contribution.
Phew, I almost forgot that today was the day! This was made somewhat under duress. You see I have no mirror besides the one in my bathroom. So i ran around the apt. looking for something reflective enough to use. And finally settled on a cd so it was kind of tough. With a small blurry reflection.
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_1_02/images/index.jpg
oh yeah... not currently having a job has afforded me the liberty of not having to shave.

To many more self-portraits to come
:chug:
Thanks again Andrew.

negativespace

November 2nd, 2002, 12:55 AM

http://www.dslextreme.com/users/glou//images/self_portrait_110102_02.jpg

Thanks for all the inspiration Andrew!

KChen

November 2nd, 2002, 01:49 AM

Here is a quick doodle :)
http://www.imagewiz.net/images/kchen/imagewiz73021.jpg
Thanks Andrew, for your work and inspiration.
k

hanajima

November 2nd, 2002, 03:26 AM

...Ended a few hours ago here, but I had trouble finding a host. Sorry.
I'd also typed up a something but the board ate it. This is much less eloquent than the first, and that is quite a task mind you.

I drew a bunch of these today, I lost count. I maybe like one sorta but not really. It really was a struggle. However out of respect and Admiration for Andrew and his work (and in gratiture for that crit he gave me a while back. Really helped) I'll get up the nerve to post a few.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/sp_ghost.jpg
Ink and a little white gouache.
http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/sp2.jpghttp://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/sp_unfinished.jpg
http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/sp.jpg
Sorry for the big dowload everyone. You can see an earlier attempt in the bottom half of the second sketch, the lines are white. that wierd spot of value near the chin and some of the dark lines in the face are from that too. I may take the sketches down for a detail on the fist one later. I think it looses alot at the res.

Thank you Andrew, you are a constant inspiration and a great help. Your sacrifices have indeed not been in vain.

Blackhawk

November 2nd, 2002, 03:27 AM

Thanks Andrew. Your dedication and skill is total inspiration for me. I would have never done a self-portrait everyday if it wasn't for you. Now it's to the point that I don't feel right if I don't do one, and I'm loving it. Thank you again, you've opened up a new world for me.

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod43.jpg

Great job everyone.

xflox

November 2nd, 2002, 05:56 AM

http://www.xflox.com/upload/spod111.jpg

First post. I´m also doing one sp every day since I first sneaked here.
It helped me quite a bit to get over my laziness... :D

wood

November 2nd, 2002, 06:41 AM

Andrew, I may be a lurker, but even I benefit from your lessons. I think I'm a couple hours late on this but I wanted to put it up anyway. I am inspired by you dedication and check every day to see what new treat you've posted, so here's mine.

http://home.csumb.edu/c/colenorwood/world/gallery/artwork/spodnov1.JPG

MindCandyMan

November 2nd, 2002, 07:38 AM

As I am sure a lot of you know...the reason that I even started a thread entitled "Journey of an Absolute Rookie" is because of Andrew Jones' inspiration. The reason I got the idea to write off tv and every other useless activity every night to focus on art is because Andrew Jones did that with his self portraits. I remember thinking to myself after my brother showed me his post, "If this Andrew Jones guy can do it...then I can to". So I have been drawing and painting for about seven weeks. Seeing your self portrait every day kicks my butt into learning art...I feel like if I don't post something then I have no excuse because I KNOW Andrew Jones is going to post something. So now I keep moving forward...trudging every step. I only hope that someday I can come close to capturing the beauty and design God has placed all around me. Thanks Andrew...YOU ROCK!

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/elephantdiarrhe/Painting 49 carried away SP.jpg

p.s. - This is what happens to me whenever I see one of Andrew's pictures load up on my computer screen.

coriat

November 2nd, 2002, 11:01 AM

hey, lotsa new faces, oblio his campaign worked, apparently :D
welcome everyone.

I also have another version which i completely shaded, but that always goes wrong with me somehow :( so here is another attempt with only black... i placed the sketch infront of the blacks, because i thought the face showed litle 'substance' (read: to less black) but i had/have no time to finish it and i like it this way.

And i'm also really happy because the last three sp's look alot like me (i think/hope :) ).

here goes:
http://home.hccnet.nl/henk.middendorp/jurjen/tekeningen/2%20NOV.JPG

and the sketch, if yer interested
http://home.hccnet.nl/henk.middendorp/jurjen/tekeningen/30-10.JPG

lol, funny one mindcandy...did you found the smurry'finger'-tool in photosoup? (what was the name of that fing again :D

serious crits to follow :)

Hermchen

November 2nd, 2002, 11:06 AM

My SP for today--on paper this time for a change. Black Ink, grey feltpen and white fine liner on grey paper.

http://home.arcor.de/hermchen/postingstuff/selfportraits/2.11.2002.jpg

@mcotie: Are you angry all the time? Man this must be really exhausting :) Nice SP though...I like the expression, really, but you could be less lazy at the neck area :)

@miasmask: really nice improvements...is that a photoshop filter that I see there? damn u...Filters are a big DO NOT, please? They never improve your paintings, only you can do so...don't let a foolish filter do your excellent work ;)

@Hexal: I would like to see you improve over the next month :) I'm looking forward to it

@Koryh: This reminds me of some Illustrations from the midthirties...very cool...post more!!!

@daarken: I wonder how you change the lighting so wonderfully? I have to try some of those...from hell...pics, too. A ToDo for tomorrow..., the last one...how did u hope it would turn out better?

@Oblio: sorry for taking your fist position...blame keyth... ;)

@keyth: Nice one, as everytime. But I'd like to see something more different from you...might a change in style be possible? I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT...

@jrr: I prefer the first one...because of the red ear especially. But I like both...post more!!!

@Kchen: I like the sketchyness and the comic character of it, but the nose bucks me, and then, next moment it doesn't...oh I think it's just me...urks

@hanajima: So simple, and so impressiv...really cool...

@Blackhawk: Hm...I don't know about the colors...a bit to much green in your face I think, beside of that...lovely :3

@xflox: Where in Germany do you come from? Please post more! Nice start, now go on.

daarken

November 2nd, 2002, 01:38 PM

herm: well, the way it turned out it looks kind of flat (my oil sp). your new one is cool. i like what is going on with all the sweeping lines. good use of line to portray form.

coriat: be sure to watch your proportions. your head seems to be too wide and short. also look at the width of your neck.

mind: woah! remind me not to get on your bad side, heh. youve really been pushing yourself to explore different things, very nice.

wood: welcome! this is a really good start. one thing that pops out to me is that your eyes are at one perspective while your mouth and nose are at a different perspective. nice job rendering.

xflox: i like the way you are building up form, but watch your eyes. the lids have thickness, and look to make sure your pupils are looking in the same way, unless you want that insane look, hehe.

blackhawk: ahh! green face red nose! heh. very good eyes as usual. i think you should give more form to the wing of your nostril.

hana: welcome! i really like the first ink one. very cool mood to it. there are a lot of interesting shadow and light shapes. keep it up!

kchen: ahh! finally something from you! very nice use of line. you give the piece a lot of excitement with the lines. i really like how you rendered the shirt and hair. wow, you look very young! if you say you are 18 i will die.

negative: very cool. i like your palette and technique. i think your eyes might be a little bit small compared to the rest of your face. also, your forehead seems to shift to the side.

jrr: very cool!! i really like the light palette one. i love all the brushstrokes. really sit for a few seconds and observe how your nostrils wrap around and what shape they have.

blank: nice lighting. i think maybe the red line draws too much attention away from your sp.

groove: good start, but watch the shape of your head. it starts to look a little rubbery.

andrew: you are far too modest, and i like that. i dont think you realize how many people you have had an affect on. if i had not found concept i would not be drawing everyday. i thank everyone here for pushing me forward, and to strive for a better tomorrow. i think a major part of being an artist is to submerse themselves in a group of other artists and to feed off of everyone elses passion. thank you again.

ok, here is a quick one from me today. about 40 minutes. just woke up and thought it would be nice to start the day out with a sp. uh yeah, im supposed to be biting my lip in a sexy, seductive look! you can not resist me ! bwahahahaha! ok anyway...
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-2.jpg

wood

November 2nd, 2002, 03:19 PM

:D thanks for critting my pic Daarken, yah you're right about the messed up perspective, I think I just moved around too much while looking at the mirror. I really like you sp's daarken, they gots tha moxy.

keyth

November 2nd, 2002, 05:30 PM

hermchen: well i tried although i'm not a fan of this one. i will try something different tomorrow. you are so right. i have no intention of stopping but am feeling a little burnt. perhaps i should just let go see what happens or change mediums. it's good when people point out what you are doing. thanks.

nov 2
http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov2spcon.JPG

.:RAPUNZEL:.

November 2nd, 2002, 05:46 PM

sorry "SPOTD family" for my two day break...

here nov 1th
http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/damanu3.jpg

and nov 2nd
http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/damanu4.jpg

andrew what schould i say?? THANK U!!!!!!!!!! :clapping2

@ daarken : uuaaah sexy feelings in the morning. love the colours

@ Hermchen : want more on paper!

@ MindCandyMan : nice effect- smudge tool in photoshop?

@ wood: welcome- good start!

i`m busy, more comments tomorrow. looking forward to monday (get my wacom),

i am really happy to found this thread. ones again thanks to all of you and espacially to andrew...

baba
.:RaPuNzEl:.

hunter

November 2nd, 2002, 06:39 PM

Ahhhh! So bummed I missed 11/1 -don't think you would want to see me drink and draw though.

Great job to everyone who managed to do it!

Everyone's work over the past week is amazing, this thread is so inspiring!

Keyth: Cool tutorials! Very informative, Thank You.
daarken: I really like the Oil SP -oils always kick my ass.
Blackhawk: I agree with daarken's crit about the nostral on your last one(one more plane), otherwise the drawing feels right on! Great Job.
Hana: I like the last one (I think -can't see it right now).

Me crap, lost the drawing and not gonna try to recover it. I was messing around with filters in Photoshop -I think I'm filter challenged. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
http://www.gmavt.net/~hunter/images/Self-Port24.jpg

A quicky, I use a small round mirror sometimes . . .
http://www.gmavt.net/~hunter/images/Self-Port25.gif

MindCandyMan

November 2nd, 2002, 11:50 PM

Hi everyone. Here is my latest self portraits.

I am really sorry I can't respond to everyone...the weekends are crazy busy for me. But a lot of peopl asked about what tool I used to achieve the effect I had in my last portrait. I used painter 7 for everything "painting" oriented. So it was a combination of a bunch of water tools....mostly the distorto. "just add water" works good too.

Ok tonight I sat down to do my self portrait.........sketch.....erase.......sketch.... erase. I kept having all these problems with my self portrait so I just decided ok lemme get this one out of the way and start again. So I sketched myself fat to get a good laugh and get my "bad one" out of the way.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/elephantdiarrhe/Drawing 46 fat self portrait.jpg

This is the next one I did after this...it isn't great but it's definitely better than the first right? hheehehe.

I will respond to everyone tomorrow. You guys are churning out some great great stuff! I love this thread.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/elephantdiarrhe/Drawing 47 pencil self portrait.jpg

Nordstrand, T

November 3rd, 2002, 12:08 AM

Hey all, remember me? :) Still going strong... you guys are amazing :D

I felt I shouldn't post without a little something, must say I've gotten rusty quite fast! I won't be keeping the same pace as last month, will concentrate on other matters, but I hope to set aside a week now and then and do 7 in a Row.
To Andrew! :chug: To everybody! :thumb:

http://mysite.freeserve.com/tnordst/temp/Selvp15Final.jpg

mime

November 3rd, 2002, 12:30 AM

new one, still improvement in the likelyness i think, and i'm experimenting painter (7), all done with palette knife.
As for the mood i was sad most of the day because i was thinking about my dead grandfather and that he would never see my drawings ... or maybe he does .. where he is.

http://erhnam.free.fr/spod4b.JPG

@Nostrand , hya, i'm new here but ive seen all the SP you did before, and its amazing, you really have a very strong brushwork, and the likeliness seems very consistent throug all your SP.

@mind , i also looked at your progresses and its great, these exercices are very good for all of us ! One thing, i dont think you should do those little highlights with the airbrush, they look too "shiny plastic". Maybe dont add them, or try to slowly add large blocks of solid values, but never rush to the little highlights, first shoose a middle value, lets call it "4" then add the large blocks of "3" and "5", then "2" and "6" and finally the darkest shadows and lightest lights. One thing they teached us in art school is that a drawing should still look good whithout the darkest shadows and lightest lights, you just add them in the end to give more power to the picture, but thats all. (but i know, i know it may be the more enjoying part of the process and its always a temptation to "skip" the other etaps)

@hunter , i love your funny faces on all the SP i've seen from you, and you quite remind me of a good friend, thats funny :)

@keyth , thanxs for running and moderating this forum, and i mist say i'm impressed by the large number of SP you've done, and they are all of a great quality !!

@daarken , nice creepyness, as always :)

@hanajima, your linework is impressive, seems very confident.

and of course
@Andrew , Thanxs a lot for giving me the will to draw more !! and thanxs for sharing your time, your art, i should even say your life, with us !!!

I'll try to keep the pace and do one evreyday, and i will try to change the view angle when i'll think i nailed right the basics proportions of my face in front view :)

Grooveholmes

November 3rd, 2002, 02:57 AM

Here's todays. starting to come togother a bit compared to yesterdays. Yes, I look foreward to this journey.

I'm still having to draw from the reflection of a damn cd. Hence the circles in the middle. I must admit, it does kind of help to keep yourself from not knowing when your moving.
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_2_02/images/index.jpg
Man I'm haggard.:mrt:

Blackhawk

November 3rd, 2002, 04:25 AM

My eyes are still burning from 3 or 4 days ago. I've been having nightmares everynight for the past 2 weeks. Some have been bad, some have been uneasy, but the past week they've started to affect my sleep and I wake up very irritated and groggy. I don't know what is causing it, but I feel pretty uncomfortable in my skin, if you know what I mean.

1 1/2 hour
http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod44.jpg

Sorry if I don't crit much tonight, I'm going to head to sleep in a moment here.

Hunter & Daarken - Thanks for pointing that out to me, I'll watch out for that next time. I appreciate any crits and advice, so I thank you. Great SP's both of you as well. This seems like a less confident batch from you Hunter, but the second one is very nice. Great as always Daarken.

Hermchen - Thanks :) Yeah, I lost control with the colors in the last one. Colors are my major weakness, I need to get some books and classes on color or something, I stink at it :D I'm trying to learn though.

Exceptional work everyone and it's great to see so many new faces. I am extremely sorry that I can't crit some of you. I try to make an effort to crit every person that posted on that day, but I don't feel well, sorry :( Tomorrow night I'll try to do the regular crits. Night everyone.

hunter

November 3rd, 2002, 12:49 PM

Great job everyone!
Mime: The eye conveys your emotion! A very human quality.
Blackhawk: This seems like a less confident batch from you Hunter, . . . You got that right! They take longer as well. I guess a week off really kicked my arse.

Lookin' forward to getting through it though.
http://www.gmavt.net/~hunter/images/Self-Port26.jpg

Nold

November 3rd, 2002, 01:37 PM

Wow, this thread really boost motivation. Here are mine for today and yesterday.

http://www.nhoch2.de/20021102SP1.jpg
http://www.nhoch2.de/20021103SP1.jpg
http://www.nhoch2.de/20021103SP2.jpg

Nordstrand: Impressing work, I love it !

Mime: The mood is captured very well. Good work !

Grooveholmes: Maybe you should try using a window as a mirror when its dark outside (I don't have a mirror too ;-) ). Still a blurry picture, but at least the glass has no holes...

All others: Great work, keep it up !

Grooveholmes

November 3rd, 2002, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Nold

Grooveholmes: Maybe you should try using a window as a mirror when its dark outside (I don't have a mirror too ;-) ). Still a blurry picture, but at least the glass has no holes...

Yeah the only problem is that I can't really move my computer and everything to accommodate.:o

.:RAPUNZEL:.

November 3rd, 2002, 03:23 PM

here mine for today:

1,5 hour, photoshop and hopefully my last one with mouse.
i have difficulties with my choise of colours. if i work with one tone it works well, but if i try to use more colours, it often ends "dirty"- any help????

http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/damanu5.jpg

@ nold: i think the second one is the best! i´m not very good at real black and white (duotone?) pictures. maybe i will try it on one of my next portraits

@ hunter: great work as usual. love the red parts...

@ Blackhawk: nice style. maybe you work a little bit more on the contrast and shadow parts. compare the hard shadow at the nose and the right side of your face.

@ Grooveholmes: go out and buy a mirrow. keep em coming...

@ mime: very nice. good work and nice brush strokes

@ Nordstrand, T: wow. :thumbsup:

Grooveholmes

November 3rd, 2002, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by .:RAPUNZEL:.
@ Grooveholmes: go out and buy a mirrow. keep em coming...

Truth is man I'm broke, jobless, and to make matters worse I totalled my car last week on my birthday:o So i'm stuck in my house. Can't even get to the store for milk. Looks like this year is going to be bollucks:mad: Gotta make due with what I got you know.

.:RAPUNZEL:.

November 3rd, 2002, 06:12 PM

Truth is man I'm broke, jobless, and to make matters worse I totalled my car last week on my birthday So i'm stuck in my house. Can't even get to the store for milk. Looks like this year is going to be bollucks

sorry grooveholmes. sounds that its realy not your year. keep your head up and keep posting...

hope things will change,
baba

.:RaPuNzEl:.

Hermchen

November 3rd, 2002, 07:49 PM

Mine for today...I got home late tonight and sat in a train for half an hour within this time I drew this SP. I used the window of the train as mirror. Was hard to get the lines how I wanted them because of the nervous movement of the train...and I was tired...So I am now...good night...

http://home.arcor.de/hermchen/postingstuff/selfportraits/4.11.2002.jpg

same stuff as last time: black ink, grey feltpen and white liner on grey paper...now sleep... :zzz:

Grooveholmes

November 3rd, 2002, 07:55 PM

Wow, great job Hermchen.
Thanks Repunzel!

Hexal

November 3rd, 2002, 09:51 PM

This on is not very good, it was late and i had forgotten to do my self portrait for the day. so i did it quick today, except a better one for tomorrow.
NOV 3
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port2.jpg

benzo

November 3rd, 2002, 11:26 PM

I lost this one and over did it, but postin' it anyhow...
http://www.rsad.edu/~bsprout/nov_port_01.jpg

daarken

November 4th, 2002, 12:32 AM

gotta make this short, as i did with todays sps. i dont really like them, and dont think they really portray me very well...hard month for art.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-3.jpg

ok, just did this one. i think this was my 3rd or 4th attempt in painter today...poop.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-3b.jpg

Grooveholmes

November 4th, 2002, 02:56 AM

http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_3_02/images/index.jpg
HAH HA, This might be a halfway good piece if not for that damn cd ring. Sheesh:doh:
Thanks guys.

Blackhawk

November 4th, 2002, 04:33 AM

The entire last week I've felt very "blah". As I mentioned, I've been having nightmares quite frequently, thankfully last night I couldn't remember my dreams, so my sleep was much better. I feel nervous all the time though. It's killing my inspiration a bit, so I wanted to get more spontaneous tonight and just let the pencil go with the flow.

3B & 6B Pencil on 11x14 sketchpad 40 minutes
http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod45.jpg

Chalk tool Painter 7 10 minutes

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod46.jpg

Hunter - I like this one. Still seems like your a little shakey, but this one is already much better than yesterdays. The right ear is bugging me though, it seems too flat. Other than that, great job man :)

Nold - Impressive set of pen sketches there. The third one looks like he has a fat left chin :D Nice work and welcome.

Rapunzel - Yeah, my shading wasn't strong at all on that last one. It was in the back of my mind on that portrait, my head has been racing while doing these things the last couple of days. I'll try to keep an eye on my values next time though. Thanks for the crit, much appreciated :) This is a nice SP. My only crits are the edges are too soft all over. Great job though, lovely ear on it.

Hermchen - I like this style. The jacket comes out lose and strong. Only thing detracting I think is the hair. It's getting too cross-hatched and wild, but everything else on it is great. Good job.

Benzo - Welcome back. This is one came out strong I thought. I like the lines on the cheeks. The neck is flat, but the face is very nice.

Daarken - We all are feeling exactly what your feeling, especially myself if you've seen some of the junk I've posted in the last couple of weeks. I love those pencil sketches though. After I saw them I had to drop the wacom again and do a pencil portrait, it compelled me :D Your definitely getting stronger. You'll realize it when you get over your funk and you crank out an incredible SP that you thought you could never do before. Keep at it man.

Grooveholmes - This is a very nice piece. That CD ring adds a humorous flair to it. I just enjoy the fact that your using a CD. It's great how inventive aritsts can get when they are desparate :D. Turn off the lights in the room on the next one and try using the reflection off the monitor. I know I've done that a few times and so has Jhibbs.

MindCandyMan

November 4th, 2002, 07:45 AM

I am so frustrated. For the past week I haven't been able to do anything good. I worked on this self portrait for a while and kept making a line and erasing...making a line and erasing. So frustrating. So this is the final result. Doesn't look anything like me and doesn't look good at all but it got too late and I just gave up and went to bed. I am posting a picture from when I started it because I thought that someone might be able to tell me something specific that I am doing wrong. I am new to drawing so be specific or I might not understand hehe.

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/elephantdiarrhe/Drawing 48 pencil self portrait step 1.jpg

"Final" Crappy Result

http://www.imagemagician.com/images/elephantdiarrhe/Drawing 48 pencil self portrait.jpg

DISCLAIMER: I feel bad giving critiques when mine sucks so bad. At least I can help other people...so I can contribute something good hehe.

Blackhawk - I have been really liking yours lately. The values you have been able to achieve have been really good. This most recent one was really good. The eyes are skewed a bit I think. Great work bro keep it up. Sorry about the nightmares...paint them for the dream thread...get them out of your system.

Grooveholmes - Great work man...especially for looking at a cd hahaha. Seeing that center hole on your portraits always cracks me up. But honestly...the likeness looks very very close between all your self portraits and you captured values really well on this one. This is coming from a total amateur so I'm not sure if this is right advice but maybe contouring some of your shading lines to the face would help make it look even more realistic. The left side is contoured real well. Great job on your portraits.

daarken - I think these are really good actually. I can see where they wouldn't look like you because I have seen all your previous self portraits but I really like the ink one. I think it is good. I think it captures your likeness really quick and sketchy. Keep moving forward. You rock man!

benzo - I know how you feel...that's the story of my life...I lose every portrait hehe... I really like the color scheme going on here. It's really nice. The background compliments the skin tone it's really good. The head is too skinny and long but you probably knew that already.

Hexal - The proportions you have going look pretty good. I would work on the actual rendering of each piece of your face. This was a quick one like you said and I think I can see that you have an understanding of proportion. Next time just focus on the shading and rendering of each piece of the face.

Hermchen - Your stuff always has character and emotion to it. I really like that about your portraits. They really do capture a moment in space like a photograph. This one's likeness looks a tad bit different than the others but it was done great! I would like to see you go all out and try to make one of your self portraits really realistic. I think you could kick some butt. Good work.

Rapunzel - Holy cow...look at you taking stuff up a notch...nice work man! I don't know anything about colors so I can't help you there...sorry. I think the proportions on this are very good and the setup is nice. I think the hair goes a bit too high. Also I think your "right" bro...the one on the left in the painting...sticks out a little too far. It throws the position off a little bit. Great work man...keep it up your values look good!

Nold - I have to say that I like your style. I like the way you place your lines. Couple things. Your proportions could use a little more work but they are good. Just work them a little more. Also when doing hair...treat it as an area to be shaded...not necessarily as lines overlapping each other. Try some shading for the cheek bones etc... I look forward to seeing more of your stuff. Good job man.

hunter - Your stuff really kicks butt. I am not on a level to even be able to critique your work. You rock man...can you post a step by step?...or just send me one of your painter scripts hehe.

mime - This last SP rocks. I really like it. What settings do you use for the palette knife tool and how do you go about applying the strokes I have never been able to get it to work. I don't understand how people can do a whole painting with it. I wanted you to know that I really really appreciated your last comments. They really helped (although you can't see it through this piece of crap SP). That one statement about having it be a good drawing minus the highest and lowest is really really good. That actually was going through my head as I did this one. Maybe you could help me with this too...I have no idea really how to shade an area. I guess I could just do crosshatching but I really don't grasp how to shade something. I have been drawing for about 7 1/2 weeks and have just been trying to observe other people's methods and utilize them in my own drawings. The truth is I really don't have any idea what I am doing hehe. Any specific help on how I could learn how to shade stuff would be awesome. I have realized at least so far that the direction of your stroke is vital...but I can't figure out how to vary the direction on a face to get it to pop out. Are there any lessons or things you had to do in art school that I could practice to learn that. Rudimentary things, etc... Thanks

Nordstrand - Sheesh that self portrait is awesome. I especially love the goatee hair...the way you rendered it is awesome. I would have tighted up the blending on your right cheek in the painting....but sheesh man...that is crazy good.

Everyone else that I missed you guys ROCK!

Cotron - Man I almost forgot to tell you. That evil looking one you did is AWESOME! I absolutely love it. The one where you look like an evil vampire or something...that is really really cool!

Hexal

November 4th, 2002, 08:15 AM

@Mindcandy, thanks for the feed back, i can see how much you have improved from you first one, And thats A LOT!

Yeah i was goin tot try that actualy, do it for lke a half hour.

Hermchen

November 4th, 2002, 10:37 AM

@MindCandyMan: I'll do that!!! I would like to give you some advice...perhaps it will help...although it will be nothing else, as can be read in all the nice anatomie-books around:
So what I do when I start a SP is NOT with the features of the face like mouth and nose and stuff but with the form of the total head, and I will always try to keep it loose at the beginning. Because I know one thing...my strokes are flawful everytime...and I wont be so foolish to believe the opposit and keep every stroke as a sure guideline for all following strokes. So I try to take my face in the mirror as only guideline.
I know thats hard the first time...but you should about your portrait more like a sculpture that has to be carved out of the paper and less like it would be already there and you just had to follow the lines...I wouldn't start with the particular features, I wouldn't even try to think in features...forget that your painting or drawing a mouth, eyes, ears and so on. Better think in dark and light areas, in forms and spaces...not in nostrils and cheeks...Hope that made sense...
Perhaps I'll try a step by step SP...and post it later...Any interests?

MindCandyMan

November 4th, 2002, 10:49 AM

Hexal - Thanks! I appreciate the encouragement. It's hard to see improvement when you are going through it...a lot of it just looks like total crap to me hehe. I will keep pushing! If you have any specific critiques to my overall work you want to make you can post them in my thread in the life drawing section. It's called "journey of an absolute rookie...etc...". Thanks again! We artists gotta stick together!

Hermchen - Thanks for the advice...ok cool so start with the head first. This is great...that's exactly the kind of advice I hoped to get out of posting that. Sounds hard but I will try it tonight. For some reason I feel the need to start with the eyes first...I will try that new way tonight and post the results tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback. I love your stuff it's really good. Definitely do the step by step...I would love it.

jester

November 4th, 2002, 10:50 AM

http://www.jester.de/gallery/sketch/spod-029.JPG

Mine for today, third attempt... :( I'm feeling the same frustrations as MindCandyMan right now. Probably because I expect myself to improve faster... compared to the first ones this isn't too bad - but still not me.

Back to normal service tomorrow.

Jester

nick reynolds

November 4th, 2002, 11:14 AM

I felt off today... in so many ways... then my parents put me into another mood, (bad) and for the first time in a while, drawing made me feel better. This was spose to be rusted plates over my face with parts of my musle (emotions) showing through... but allas it took me to long to get a decent resemblence and the feeling was lost...

another unfinished sp
http://www.fuelvideo.com/11_3_02sm.jpg

keyth

November 4th, 2002, 12:02 PM

Here's yesterdays. Hopefully tonight i will work on one longer.
You are very welcome Mime!!!:chug: I'm very happy to be modding here. i fade sometimes but try to keep up. that's life for ya.:p welcome all new folk. i feel the flu com'n on. yikes!!!

Hey Hermchen. i would love to see a tutorial. if you post it in here could you still post it in the step by step section?
thanks!!!
Nov 3 ACHOOOO!!...sniff, sniff....excuse me.

http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov3spwebcon1.JPG

keyth

November 4th, 2002, 12:17 PM

mindcandyman: i'm not sure if you have checked it out or not but there is a new step by step spod section. i have a couple in there and Nordstrand has one. it may provide a little help. whatever you do just keep punching away man. that's what Rocky did. get it? punching....HA HA HA. must be the sudafed.

daarken

November 4th, 2002, 12:59 PM

keyth: woah! is this your alternate identity? heh. no headphones and a different face! i like.

nick: cool sp, just watch some of your proportions

jester: whenever you draw someone with a hat, be sure to get the structure of the head down first. the top of the hat looks too small to accomodate your head.

blackhawk: im glad i could inspire you to put down the wacom for a bit. i really enjoy your traditional sps very much.

groove: heh, although the cd center is funny and kind of a trademark now, just imagine what is behind it and draw it in.

i had some time before class started, so i did this sp. i used the sargent brush. its actually really cool, i might do more with it. till tonight, later.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-4.jpg

AfroLaxMan

November 4th, 2002, 01:02 PM

grooveholmes, your a genius. I have been on this site for some time, and been getting jealous without a mirror, and then I read your spod posts, and then I say to myself "i'm an idiot"

I spend too much times looking for the obvious, that I don't realize the other means of success available to me.

cd's are always around me, and I never put two together. dense sometimes, I tell you.

your a genius, man, genius.

MindCandyMan

November 4th, 2002, 02:21 PM

For those of you that don't have mirrors in your house. I just went and bought an 11 x 17 one from IKEA for 2 dollars or something cheap like that. So if you need a mirror skip 2 meals of Ramen noodles and go get a mirror.

Hexal

November 4th, 2002, 02:43 PM

Heres mine for today, i did two and i think im going to do a third later today. About 10-20 min each, first is not so good, second better
Nov 4
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port3.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port4.jpg

Oblio

November 4th, 2002, 04:30 PM

I must have been really zombie last night when i've posted my SP's... i can't find them today. I was so tiered.. anyway.. here there are

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/2nov.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/3nov.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/4nov.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/4nov2.jpg
I've tried the clean look few times in order just to fail wonderfully. :(
I'm not doing too good... i'm discovering that life at home is too complex for me. Also.. the dial-up has just got 3 times more expensive just to piss me off more - if they think they'll keep me away... ugh.. nevermind.

I want to say that i admire all of you - I save EVERY SP you guys do and the screensaver gets them randomly and i watch from time to time some "familiar" faces :)
Darken - you rock!
Keyth - no problemo friend... we go a way back..
Hermchen - nice to see you daily around.
BH - love that pencil work. :bow:
Afrolax - NO EXCUSE! Absolutely NONE ! :D
nick r. - nice addition :) MORE
jester - i'm going down but you.. look how far have you gone - the last one is "concrete" (it rocks)

MindCandy - sorry for not keeping the pace here - i barely have some time for studies now. Hopefully i'll be able to show some works soon.

Andrew - don't be mad on me friend - paying a tribute to you was just to fill the need of saying THANK YOU. Like the need to say "i love you" when you are in love, like the need to pray when you believe, like the need to say "what a mirracle that you exist, what a coincidence that i do" to your reflection in the mirror, like the need to say something when you keep the silence in front of your parents knowing that you didn't took the time to show your love back.

For the rest of the team, i'll quote keyth : KEEP IT UP.
For the ones browsing - try it, and you'll fin your gratitude words after :D
For the ones who don't browse around: I miss you. I miss Sparth and Jon and Retro and Snowfly and Jay and Wizard of Koz and taff, Deth Jester, KILLING.People, netbox and ... Oblio i miss that Oblio who had the time and the peace for being sharp. Well at least that Oblio will be back soon. He's just wondering a little.

sort.of.Oblio

Grooveholmes

November 4th, 2002, 04:38 PM

Afro~ LOL. Thanks, I don't know if I deserve the praise or not, the cd is more out of desparation than anything else. I've been sitting here for months watching everybody crank out these great portraits. Just wanted to be a part of this too!

MindCandyMan~ Try loosening up your hand. You want to have an extremely light touch at the beginning. Draw really light so there isn't as much clean up later. I think something that will also help you is to not erase your lines when you make a mistake. Leave the mark even if it doesn't work, and use it as a guide to compare your next mark to. Otherwise, its hard to tell if you are on the right track or not. believe me. after drawing ten lines and you can look at all of them and tell they are not right you can usually look and say to yourself. "Ok, this mark is not right.. and neither is this one right beside it... AH! If i make a mark somewhere in-between these two I'll have it!" And then, since your were drawing very light to begin with the origional 'bad lines' will actually add to the piece once you start going darker. Or if you don't like em you can draw over them or easily erase em.

BlachHawk~ Good ones. Your pain can really be felt with these entries.

Keyth~ Hit those fluids bro.

Oblio~ Great work, I particularly like the 2nd to last one you posted!

Thanks for the replies everyone!
Keep on truckin'

Nold

November 4th, 2002, 04:41 PM

I had quite a lot to do today so there's no SP, but at least I should add my comments.

Grooveholmes: Sorry to hear that from you, but keep on, it will get better ! And by the way, your SPs are very good altough you are using a CD as mirror.

Hermchen: Great work ! I love the highlights of the picture you did in the train.

Benzo: Great work too ! Quite an expressive picture. I like the colors.

daarken: I don't know you, so I can't tell if the pencil drawings portray you very well, but I really like them.

Blackhawk: thanks for your comment. I like the pencil drawing. I should try to use such dark tones as well. For some mysterious reasons I'm afraid of using really dark tones. My pencil drawing always lack contrast.

Rapunzel: Im not very good at black and white pictures too. I took a black pen because I wanted to get used to using dark values. In my pencil drawings even the darkest areas are only middle - grey.

MindCandy: Thanks ! I will try adding a middle tone to the pictures when I have some more practice with black and white only. Maybe next week. And, by the way, you are doing very well. I wish I had as much motivation as you. Then my skills would be much better now. And, by the way, take a look at what I've wrote for hexal. Maybe it's helpful for you too.

jester: You are right, this isn't bad. Nice work. And be patient... your skills are improving, even if it doesn't look like this sometimes. I know this feeling. Practice helps.

nick reynolds: I like the concept, but in the picture is something disturbing... even if I don't really know what it is. I think the metal plates look too rough, even for rusted plates. And the colors in the background look somehow wrong for me. Sorry...

keyth: Quite a fast one it seems. Nice colors (as always).

hexal: Just a few things, even if think you'll have already heard what I have to say. Work on anatomy. Its quite helpful to know what is under the skin to draw the surface. And observe what you are drawing. Draw what you see. Something that helped me a lot is to ask yourself questions while doing a picture. Something like how big is the distance between eye and ear. Something like that. I felt a little bit stupid doing that, but it helps a lot drawing what you see, not what you think you see. I hope this makes some sense.

keyth & Nordstrand: Thanks for the step by steps. I think It will help a lot I'll try this with my own face as soon as my version of painter arrives. Great work !

.:RAPUNZEL:.

November 4th, 2002, 05:02 PM

yeepie- got my wacom today!!!

wonderful, fantastic. my first task? -my SPOTD. i´m really happy with the pic, only a few minutes left. but then...

...i give my girlfriend a try. she paints across my piece, doodling around. in the moment i didnt look, she hits the save button on the tablets menu bar. i close the pic to return to the pic i saved last and f?!`*k!!!!! :firedevil

here is the result:

http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/manu_failure.jpg

i´m a little bit angry, but what schould i say to the girl i love?? :love:

sorry, comments tomorrow,

c u,
baba

.:RaPuNzEl:.

mime

November 4th, 2002, 06:01 PM

Sorry guys for not doing any SP yesterday, but i really didnt had time, i will do one today a bit later.

Oblio : 2 and 3 are really strong imho. You did a very good work with clean lines. The planes are really well defined in 2. I must say i'm really impressed, those two are really really good
on the third, your lines are REALLY precise and nice in some areas like the nose and the eyes, and i think it is really a great portrait, and a great step of improvement from you.
You will be a better artist than most of us I think

as critic the neck and shoulder might be a little small in the third drawing ... thats almost all i can find wrong about this pic.

great job !!

Baco Noir

November 4th, 2002, 06:47 PM

Well I've been lurking about this thread for ages now, ooo-ing and aah-ing over all the great stuff you guys have been posting, jealously coveting every line...-le sigh-...

Heh. Anywho, here's my first go at it. Done in pencil, but the scan was sub-par, hence the obvious Photoshop manipulation.

http://www.liquid2k.com/laetsche/Nov2.jpg

Feedback is always appreciated and I'll do my best to dish some back.

No way I'll be able to post daily SPs, but I'll aim for weekly, so that I don't feel like such a peeping-tom.
;)

Hexal

November 4th, 2002, 08:35 PM

I told nold advice and took a look and whats undernether. Becasue its whats underneth that counts right? :p Anyways, here it is, and a bad quick color. I think i will do one normal portrait and a anatomy one every day at least one of each, maybe two.

NOV 4
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port5.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port6.jpg

keyth

November 4th, 2002, 10:15 PM

well, here's tonights. i had some serious drainage going on, hence the toilet paper stuffed up my nose. i had to stop so i could zone out and play some dig dug.

daarken: thanks. i wasn't even going to post the last one but for some reason (and yes it looks nothing like me)i kept it. nice one as always.

hexal: great to see a new face, and one that punches away at more than one spod. remember to really check those facial features. do a spod, finish it, and then look at your face for about an hour. check your drawing and check your face over and over. i promise you will find differences when you really l o o k.:chug: . no matter what. keeep em com'n.

obie wobie: i agree with the other person. the second to last has a LOT of character. i feel like you sent it to me right before you were going on a trip. and you are saying "see ya".

Groovens: i'm hitting those fluids so far: a gallon of orange juice, a pint of really strong coffee, a liter of coke, a gallon or two of water, and a pint of makers. well.....maybe the orange juice and water.:p

nold: yes, fast. they are usually fast before bed if i stay up too late.

Baco: welcome. nice spod. i would like to see many more. puleaz.

nov 4

http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov4sp1webcon.JPG

littlejohn

November 4th, 2002, 11:06 PM

My first of November:

http://www.davidhendee.com/images/self_portrait24.jpg

Great job everyone.

mime

November 4th, 2002, 11:59 PM

Here is mine for today. I tried myself at "clean" lines (well sort of ...) after all the advices i gave to first do SP with lines only. In fact i can see that the cast drawings i did during one whole year were not useless (we had 6 hours per week of cast drawing, at first with only lines, and later in the year adding values, in charcoal)

@mindcandy especially :
after i added very quick values with "art marker" in painter 7. As you can see they are very very simple, there is mostly 2 different grey and a darker one for the hair (and in the end i added some white highlights). For the values i just squint my eyes and try to see very large areas of tones, one light, one dark, and then some variations in those ... (in this case the light area is one only value : white)

http://erhnam.free.fr/spod5b.JPG http://erhnam.free.fr/spod5.JPG

the methos we used in art school was kinda simple : we squint our eyes and try to see the lightest values, those will stay paper color (white) and we apply an uniform light grey all over the paper except those light values.
then we squint again and try to see a simple shape of darker grey and then we apply a second layer of grey in this simple shape (so we have now 3 values, white, a first grey, and a second grey covering most of the first grey ....)
at this stage the drawing is already looking like something
then we add 1, 2, 3 or more layers of grey, everytime shorter and more detailled ...

and for the strokes directions, at first you dont need to worry about that, just draw all your hatches in the same direction, if you do several layers of hatches you will already have a drawing very solid.

the direction of the hatches is something you have to experiment by yourself later in your drawer's life, when you know how to draw accurate lines and accurate shadows area ... (imho)

@rapunzel : that made me laugh ... sorry :/

@daarken : thats great, i like this rendering, i'll try the sargent brush someday.

@keyth : in a creepy mood those days ? interesting SP, seems very personel and twisted :))

daarken

November 5th, 2002, 12:19 AM

keyth: awww yes, toilet paper goodness.

this is my second one for the day. i had to take a break from my hw and this really helped me to relax.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-4b.jpg

mime

November 5th, 2002, 12:22 AM

daarken : wow, angry
i really like this one, almost scary :)

Nold

November 5th, 2002, 12:55 AM

littlejohn: Nice piece, but I think the colors are too grey.

mime: Awesome shading. the only little thing that disturbs my eye is that the highlight on the cheek seems to be quite rough while the rest of the picture is quite smooth.

Blackhawk

November 5th, 2002, 01:32 AM

I wanted to get something more textured today. I remember Jason Manley mentioning using dry media tools to get a more natural and textured look to Painter 7 stuff, so I decided to try it today. I took a cue from Andrew Jones' Nov. 2nd piece. There's some weakspots in this one, especially around the mouth, but overall I was much happier with this one than the ones from the last 3 or 4 days.

Painter 7 - 2 hours Sharp Chalk, Variable Chalk, Square Chalk tools

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod47.jpg

MindCandyMan - Thanks for the crit. Yeah, I noticed the eyes were a bit funky in them as well. I'm still trying to break that SP no-no :D When doing linework in your SP's, maybe try to get looser and more fluid with your lines. Your ultimate goal is to be confident in the lines your putting down, but if it helps, loosely sketch your face and pick the lines that work the best and work those up. Don't worry about getting it absolutely perfect right off the bat, just be loose with your lines and try to lay them down as best you can. It would be cool if one of the Pro's could ring in on this. I'm honestly still learning myself, so what I may be saying could be wrong :D But I hope it isn't.

Jester - Hey man, this SP looks pretty good. Don't get frustrated over improving, it all comes with time. Just be patient and enjoy what your doing now, but keep pushing yourself slightly further everytime. I've already said this before, but I kind of approach art like hockey. I always try to challenge myself, always try to practice something and I always do it as best as I can. I think consistency is my biggest problem at this point, but I'm finally beginning to notice some improvement when I flip through my old SP's, and that's always a great feeling. It took 46 SP's though for me to really grasp how much I changed. Just keep working at it bud.

Nick - I dig the concept your going for there. Some of your proportions are a bit off though. The mouth seems like it may be too narrow. Good job.

Keyth - Take care of yourself man. These two are great SP's, I especially like today's. When I first saw it I thought it was a bull's ring in your nose :D

Daarken - Thanks. Your stuff is always top-notch. Even when you say you feel off your stuff still looks great, I wish I could say the same :D The last one was awesome, that eye is freaky as hell.

Hexal - Welcome. Watch your proportions on your SP's. It's great to see you working in bulk, just be careful of your observing. Do an SP sometime and spend as much time on it as possible and try to get the proportions and placement as accurate as you possibly can. You'll learn a great deal from it. And then after you do it, do another, and another. Don't really worry about speed at this point, just go for accuracy and you'll begin to shine. Keep it up.

Oblio - Thanks :D The second and third are great. Third I definitely like the best. You pulled it off extremely well. Great job man.

Grooveholmes - I feel much better today. My imagination has been running wild in my dreams, but I felt much better today than the others. It's weird how much a dream could throw your day off. I never knew it could affect my mood this much.

Nold - Thanks. Yeah, contrast is a real bitch to get going. Don't be afraid of it though. Just don't lay down too dark too early. Just remember to work up from lights to darks.

Rapunzel - LOL, oh well. Next time hide it :D

Baco - Welcome :D This is a great first SP. Lighting doesn't seem unified though. Keep em' coming :)

Littlejohn - Great piece. Eye placement seems a little off though. Great work bud.

Mime - Great work. I love this clean style, very confident looking.

NoonThirty

November 5th, 2002, 04:20 AM

Hey everyone, I just wanted to say keep up the good work. The energy level in this thread is impressively high. I'm going to post some of my own SPs as soon as I have access to a scanner or digital camera. Looking forward to hearing what you guys think.

MindCandyMan, don't be discouraged. You feel like you've hit a wall. Because you're so close you can't see that you're climbing the wall and almost over it, but we can see it. So trust us. That red background SP was a huge step up from the portraits you were doing two weeks ago. Keep the faith.

Noon:30

Lionel

November 5th, 2002, 04:53 AM

Well Here is my Tribute to Android I am sorry that it is late but I wasn't able to do one then as was vistsing my girlfriend over the weekend (as always). I agree with Andrew when he says that tribute sounds a bit like something you do when at somebodys funerial so I would like this one to be more a thanks. I abandoned art just about completely for about 4 years when I decided that it was time to get my arse in gear :). Andrew Portrats have been the thing that has inspired me and got me painting again. Andrew I give you what I personally think is the highest compliment I can give
"You make make want to paint".

http://raq626.uk2net.com/~lionel/me32.JPG

Grooveholmes

November 5th, 2002, 04:59 AM

ACK! I don't really look like this!?! Oh God and Baby Jesus, I'm scared; I think this ones more akin to STEVEN KING. I don't know why its so long in the face.. I've got a hunch the cd was tilted more tonight and the reflection got skewed.
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_4_02/images/index.jpg

Ok, I scaled it just a bit in pho'shop and it works a LOT better IMHO. Closer to MY 5am haggardness, not that bastard steven kings 5am haggardness.
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_4_02_scaled/images/index.jpg

Killing.People WHERE YOU BEEN DOOD! Join in here son.:mrt:

.:RAPUNZEL:.

November 5th, 2002, 06:40 AM

mine for today. tryed a extreme expression. it lacks on some parts- but i like it...

photoshop, 2 hours
http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/damanu6.jpg

Grooveholmes: yes, the second one looks much better. good work- especially with your "special kind of mirrow". :D

Lionel: another great one. maybe you try some with a different expression / point of view.

NoonThirty: cant wait- let us see...

Blackhawk: nice one!!! :rock: one of your best with a nice real pinted feeling..

daarken: wow, you jump out of my monitor!!! :shocked:

mime: very clean and nice. the eyes look like one out af a disney cartoon. good work!

littlejohn: nice tones. i think the reight eye is a litlle bit off.

keyth: strange one. looking wired, your mouth, the toillet paper. but i like it, cant explain why.

thanks for your kind words after my spotd accident yesterday. welcome all new faces.

baba
.:RaPuNzEl:.

jester

November 5th, 2002, 07:33 AM

http://www.jester.de/gallery/sketch/spod-030.JPG

Seems to be getting better. What do you think?

Jester

@nick reynolds - I like the idea of the "rusted plates" on top of your muscles. Keept working on it - it will come out fine!

@keyth - Bless ya'. You've managed to draw the typical "I've caught a cold" mouth! :) - today's: ah, back to the headphones ;)

@daarken - oooops, you're right with the hat. I had it right first but must have mucked it up while working on the spod... embarrassing... This sargent brush looks really interesting - is it reacting to pressure or speed? Like the energetic look of your shouting "freedom" portrait!

@Hexal - ah, a new face. And another one I want to lead to http://www.portrait-artist.org. They have valuable tips on lips, noses and so on - check it out! And do more portraits!

@Oblio - all of your portraits are great. Really, I mean it! Seems that we both are not able to see our own improvements and need other people to guide us. Thanks God, there's this thread! And you do what? You download all portraits? Wow, that's great, man!

@Nold - thanks for your supporting words. I realize that I produce better portraits when I've drawn some good studies before. When in a hurried mood and just starting with the spod the outcome is usually crap. Todays was in a relaxed mood - I think it shows.

@:RAPUNZEL: - despite your friend's accident this looks very good for a first with a wacom - keep it, in a few days you'll be really able to laugh about this. That "extreme look" went very well.

@Baco Noir - good start - though a bit dark. I'm looking forward to the next ones.

@littlejohn - previous one were better, were you in a hurry?

@mime - this cleanart lines style just rocks! Jason Manley also pointed me to cast drawing, problem is, I can't find good ones at reasonable prices (the one I like are rather expensive at ebay).

@Blackhawk - this chalks' rough look is great. I like this portrait very much. And thanks for encouraging me (one really needs this from time to time). BTW, it's my 30th portrait today.

@Lionel - very nice one, I esp. dig the hair (my old problem...)

@Grooveholmes - :D :D :D LOL, Stephen King! :D

MindCandyMan

November 5th, 2002, 07:52 AM

Hey Everyone...here are my latest...I have to post them quickly because I am at work and have to give a presentation hehe.

Critique my process as well guys cause I want to get better. Hermchen...I started with the head first...I need to get used to that but it helped!

Here are the four from last night

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 49 SP step 1.jpg

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 49 SP step 2.jpg

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 49 SP step 3web.jpg

WAIT...OOOOPS...how did this step get in there????

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 49 SP step 4.jpg

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 49 SP final.jpg

Here are three more that I did in like 5 - 10 minutes each for fun.

Scratchboard tool

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Painting 50 scratchboard sp.jpg

Leaky Pen tool

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/painting 51 leaky pen sp.jpg

Fine Point pen tool

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Painting 52 neon pen demon sp.jpg

sikk

November 5th, 2002, 10:34 AM

http://mitglied.lycos.de/wrightiswrong/SP/SP04NOV02.jpg

@daarken: reeeespect!

Mr.Brian

November 5th, 2002, 01:16 PM

http://members.shaw.ca/brianyee/SP/SELF42.jpg

Nold

November 5th, 2002, 04:03 PM

Quite a hectic day again... but it was quite a good one. Now I have painter, a mirror and I managed to do at least one SP. Here is my first try in painter. Crits are welcome.
I will add some comments on the other pictures tomorrow. I think I will have more time then.

http://www.nhoch2.de/20021105SP1.jpg

Oblio

November 5th, 2002, 07:50 PM

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/5nov2.jpg

@Nold - nice to hear the news. Now you have to post daily. About the last one - - your skull looks flat. Your left eye seems misplaced (too far left - our right and too low - or the right one is too high - anyway the axe seems off) :p

@Mr. Brian - love it.
@Sikk - he. rock. how about a more... realistic one? (a la Darken maybe :D)
@mindcandy - yo.. buddy - if you've got that time - spend more on a piece - i know you get bored but it pays off. mkay?
@Jester - YES. Definitely better - now, get softer pencils add contrast. Mind the direction of the hatch.. and.. there you are :D Very cool the last one - keep it up!
@rapunzel - hey.. expresion baby - way cool - how is your face? First time after i did this i was unable to eat :D what's that on your hair? :confused:
@grooveholmes - hey mister TDK :D - get a mirror - i cand read your nose too well, also left eye seems too low...
@noon - come on.. post'em ;)
@blackh - nice work friend - the back of your head though seems too .. big? (long?) how can i put it?
@darken - :bow: you rock BIG time. Thank you. Made with photo?
@mime - THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIPS - these are helping a lot - so.. this is what you wanted? I'll give it another try. How did you set those markers in painter? I've never did anything with that tool - and i've tried!

@Littlejohn - i want to see a pencil work from you.. realy! :) (you're gettin old m8) ;)
@lionel - sad are you?
@keyth - are ou ok? get well - try the one with the mirror in the ceiling :D
@hexal - try a skull only - try YOUR skull (don't take it off - use reference and.. adapt to your proportions... or use yours... but be carefull it only works once. If you want i'll show you :D )
@Baco - bonjour big black eyes - (too big black eyes) and welcome to SPOD freak show. Your first has a GREAT mood. We want more. Yes... we want mooore...

Ups.. almost 4AM - gotta... run. No.. sleep.
le Oblio

P.S. - whre the hell is Monsenieur Sparth? Killing... what have you done with the bodies?

mime

November 5th, 2002, 08:32 PM

No SP today, my girlfriend asked me to draw her instead of me ... so i hope i'm allowed to post it here too .... cause that was my portrait assignment for today.

it took about 40 minuts under painter (with my GF posing), and some more tweaking after (i corrected some mistakes i was, and finished some of the shading)

1 hour total approx

http://erhnam.free.fr/glad1d.JPG

@oblio : thats nice, I think you should try to simplify even more, i mean having simpler shapes for your grey areas.
even try to do some portraits with only 3 values, with the frontiers between those values very well defined, almost if you selected the shaped with the lasso tool and filled them ...
when doing that again and again, until the drawing look good with just those simple light areas, you will learn to "see" in s impler way, not only for portraits, but for everything. Right now your shapes look a bit "at random" and dont really show the planes and the shift of direction in your face. (on the nose for example, you dont need all those values, just one for the front side of the nose, and one for the sides)
This portrait is good, i like it, but you should try to simplify more and more (like you did in one of yesterday's SP, with half-face, the simplification of the planes was really good imho)
also i often have the impression in your SP that your eyes are bit too close to each other, but i'm not sure.

as for the marker tools, i did not really change anything ... except for the size and the opacity slider ...

@mr brian : thats really great, you have nice colors, and the simplicity of the strokes defines perfectly the planes. I also love how there is a loss of detail in the shadow area, not only in the information we read but also in your strokes !!

@mind : you are really improving, this one is good. The eyes pops a little too much imho, because of the jet black outline. and your left eye seems drawn as if if was facing us, it is not really in perspective (the other one is nice)

@groove : i really like your shading, chaotic in a very good way.

@blackhawk : nice colors (you said you werent good with colors, this one proves you wrong :))

and thanxs everyone for the nice comments

Hexal

November 5th, 2002, 10:09 PM

Not to good today, but getting better I think. Not very good at shading, but i have'nt gone to portrait-artist.org yet so....
Nov 5
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port7.jpg

@Oblio - Yeah it was a little hard taking my skin off for a while( its still pretty loose) so it might be bes if yu show me..lol.
Actually i think i will try that for tomorrow that a anatomy one and a normal, skull first of course.

@draaken - WOW, i like yours a lot, there great lots of feeling in them.
:evilbat:

GOOD JOB EVERY ONE!:chug:

daarken

November 6th, 2002, 12:32 AM

hexal: thanks!

oblio: yeah, my last one was in photoshop.

mr brian: i love all your sps. you have a very cool style. the brush strokes are very nice. i dont know if its just me, but for some reason your glasses dont really look like they are going back in space.

mind: haha, you should have kept the drawing as the first step. i really like the blue and red one.

blackhawk: thanks, i wish i felt like my things were good. the top of your head looks a little off on your last one. good job though!

i thought i would do another one grabbing my face, since a lot of people said they like the other one the best. so tired...night night.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-5b.jpg

Baco Noir

November 6th, 2002, 12:39 AM

The post subjet about says it all...

Charcoal on printer paper...~30 minutessss...ssssleeeeeep

http://www.liquid2k.com/laetsche/Novem5.jpg

Blackhawk

November 6th, 2002, 02:10 AM

Thanks for the crits and comments everyone. I appreciate recieving the help. I noticed a lot of funky proportional stuff on the last one as well. Only thing I liked was the nose. Ironically enough I screwed the pooch on the nose tonight. Much to short and the nostrils are flared out big time :D I'm still trying, god knows I'm trying.

I took some cues from Andrew Jones Sep. 14th or 15th SP. Can't remember which day. He used it as his avatar for awhile. It was an incredible piece, the style was a lot of fun.

45 Minutes Square Chalk tool

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod48.jpg

Sorry I can't comment tonight, I should have already been asleep considering I need to be up in 4 hours. Incredible work everyone, this thread is becoming more and more inspirational everyday. Great job.

Lionel

November 6th, 2002, 04:37 AM

Really sorry don't have time to reply to everybody right now but I SHOULD!! be getting cable installed at home this evening so I will finally be able to post stuff from home and have more time to write some comments.
http://raq626.uk2net.com/~lionel/me33.JPG

jester

November 6th, 2002, 04:44 AM

http://www.jester.de/gallery/sketch/spod-031.JPG

Same pose as yesterday, only that yesterday it was a foggy and rather dark day, today the sun is shining - therefore the much heavier contrasts.

Jester

@MindCandyMan - I know it was meant as a joke, however, do continue to start with the headshape first instead of working from the inside out. When you compare yesterday's with your first ones you can see the improvement you achieved in (compared to other people) almost no time! I want to ask you for a favour - please consider that there are still people here accessing the net with 56k modems and paying for the minute... it takes ages to download your postings... (just to give you a clue: to download a single spod-page I have to wait for up to 15 minutes - this makes it something like 45 cents, just for one page!)

@sikk - and... another German :D nice and funny style!

@Mr.Brian - love that style!

@Nold - top of your head seems too flat

@Oblio - thanks. Yours is very well executed - I love these six value pieces.

@mime - this heavy brushstroke from her left eye to the chin troubles me - apart from that: good one.

@Hexal - check out MindCandy's first portraits and the comments he got, much applies to your portraits as well.

@daarken - sorry, can't give any crits, it's just WOW to me!

@Blackhawk - chalk tools are cool! :)

@Lionel - thumb looks wrong (lights?).

Grooveholmes

November 6th, 2002, 06:59 AM

http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_5_02/images/index.jpg
Help!

I went overboard this time. Over rendered it.
The eyes are too big.
Nope, i didn't get a mirror. I ended up moving around so much i didn't include the cd rings.. I'll have to look at it again some other time:( Right now I feel this one kind of sucks.

Lionel~ That's ones great. I didn't even noctice the thumb until jester pointed it out.

Daarken~ WOW.

Mime~ Thanks.

killing.people

November 6th, 2002, 08:14 AM

http://images.deviantart.com/large/indyart/indymisc/slefp_Nov6.jpg

-killing.android

Hermchen

November 6th, 2002, 09:58 AM

Here is mine for today...8th of November, 2002 <-----lol...how foolish....6th of cause!!! haha

A step by step is in the Step by Step SPOD Thread

http://home.arcor.de/hermchen/postingstuff/selfportraits/8.11.2002.jpg

Crits tomorrow...ran out of time with this one...

taff

November 6th, 2002, 10:03 AM

first sp since weeks

http://www.tough-illustrations.com/spod/spod061102.jpg
i hate it. ;)

Blackhawk

November 6th, 2002, 01:09 PM

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod49.jpg

I will do comments tonight.

Nold

November 6th, 2002, 04:14 PM

Ok, here's mine for today. the second try in painter. I think it's better than yesterdays, but there are still lots of mistakes. Eyes and mouth are somehow wrong and some other things.

http://nhoch2.de/20021106SP1.jpg

oblio: thanks for the comment, I think the facial features are a bit off in most of my SPs. But I think I will learn it when I do enough SPs. I only have problems to see such things. I needed a couple of minutes staring at my picture to realize that you are right.
By the way, nice piece.

mime: Awesome picture ! The only thing. like jester already mentioned, is the brush stroke over the left eye. Looks like a shadow of the hair, but it looks wrong when the shadow is so hard and the hair is so soft..

jester: thanks for the comment, you are right.

killing: Nice style. I like it.

Hermchen: Your SP for the 8th of November 2002 :confused: ??? If this date is correct, I've just missed my birthday.

Oblio

November 6th, 2002, 05:31 PM

i've tried another "clean" one.. well.. it's messy but it tried to go clean.
I've had a(nother) down day - first i've lost my fav. pen, then found out that a friend's father just died, then i had to go the the last show of one of my best friends (actor) since he's leaving the country due to a stupid birocracy shit. I hate to see him go...
http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/6nov.jpg

Oblio
P.S. - all over those has started to snow... hm.. when i think that last week there were over 20C... well.. i guess this shows that life goes on, right? I need a drink... and a looong sleep. Tomorrow moans like a loaded camel - it will be another full day!

keyth

November 6th, 2002, 05:36 PM

still sick as a dog. i feel like i have the plague.

yersterday's

nov 5

http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov5spwebcon.JPG

Lionel

November 6th, 2002, 06:13 PM

Just a little childish
http://raq626.uk2net.com/~lionel/me34.JPG

bwiseman

November 6th, 2002, 06:19 PM

First time posting a sp here! Hope you guys like it!
http://www.brettwiseman.com/Paintings/self%20portrait%20nov%206.jpg

MindCandyMan

November 6th, 2002, 07:52 PM

I did some self portraits in an archaic method...with a pencil on a sketchpad :D but I can't post them until tomorrow morning at work when I can scan them in. For now I will try to give some helpful criticism to you guys. Great stuff everyone.

FIRST OFF I want to say THANKYOU!!!! to everyone for always giving me advice on my artwork. Having conceptart.org and all of you guys keeps my motivation going to get better. Thanks so much for taking time out to give me helpful criticism. My proportions are always off and my drawing ability isn't that great so I appreciate you guys helping me out. Jester mentioned that my pics take a really long time to load. I'm sorry about that I had no idea. If anyone else was frustrated by that I apologize and will save them at a lower quality in the future and a smaller size. Sorry. Ok on to the crits.

bwiseman - Great stuff man. This is really really good. I love the color scheme you have going on. The pose is really interesting as well. Great mood. The only problem I think I see is that the eye on the right is a little too far over. Great job!

Lionel - You know what is hilarious...that color scheme is the one you use for your portraits...like the hair and skin color hahaha...so it does sort of resemble you. I think posts like this are hilarious and help break up the frustration that comes with doing self portraits.

keyth - I love this one...I saw something on the bubonic plague the other night. This one creeped me out and got under my skin...eeesh

Oblio - Keep going man! Sorry to hear about all those things. That really stinks. Make an angry self portrait. That always helps me. Do one that is technically correct then just do one on pure emotion. I keep working on both hoping that one day they will meet. Try it though it is relaxing.

Nold - You are right there are a few mistakes but overall I really like this piece. Good work. Keep working on your shading and values. Keep it up man you are improving I can see it.

Blackhawk - Or should I say kermit hehehe. Just kidding :) . I like this one. It's a different style than you normally present to us. Keep it up bro...you fixed the eyes on this one...good job. I like the tone of the red one as well. Really awesome mood and great color usage. The eyes are too wide on the red one though. Keep em coming...you rock man.

taff - You may hate it...but I love it. Looks great to me. If that's your bad day...you are doing good.

Hermchen - Your stuff is so consistent. I really love it. I always know that yours are going to be in proportion and technically well done. Kudos bro. Thanks for dropping me the hint about doing the head first. It will take a little while to get used to but I know in the future that will really help...thanks so much!

killing.people - Great stuff man. I really like this one. Seems like it's 2d and 3d all at the same time. Your stuff is always so provocative and interesting. Love how you portrayed your stubble...that looks great.

Grooveholmes - Yeah this one you strayed a bit but honestly your self portraits have been really consistent. I can see a definitive likeness in all your pieces...good job man. On a CD for that matter!!!! Great job!

Jester - Your self portraits are getting way way better. You are rendering the pieces of the face much much better. Your noses are looking much better ( they are really hard aren't they?). You are coming closer to your likeness...I can see it day by day. Keep it up bro! Sorry about the large file thing. I had no idea that it was taking so long. I hate the thought of costing you more money too :( ...sorry about that. Thanks for telling me that because other people were probably frustrated too. Thanks.

Baco Noir - Wow I really like this piece. I wish it was a little larger so I could see the detail but wow it really does convey tiredness. Great work! I would love to see more.

daarken - you always amaze me...what can I say. You can pull facial skin...look in the mirror...and paint your portrait at the same time. Seriously though...this is kickin. The fact that you have the versatility to paint stretched skin is awesome. You rock! Thanks for tips and encouragement you have given me as well.

Hexal - Good job keep it up bro...glad to see you posting everyday... DON'T STOP!...the only way to get better is to do it as much as you can. One quick tip I could give. To understand the structure of the head go to www.gfxartist.com/features/tutorials and look for a link to a book by Loomis called "Drawing the head and the hands"...that really helped me understand the anatomy and structure of a head/skull. Try thinking about that and utilizing it for your next sp. The reason these guys can just draw an outline of their face so quickly is because they have all that anatomical knowledge engrained into their brains. So start with studying the anatomy first...It really really helps. Just to give you encouragement as well. Literally about a month ago this was my first self portrait ever and really only like my 5th real drawing ever hehe.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing22_selfportrait1web.jpg

Mine aren't so wonderful now but I feel like I have improved at least a little. So take heart and keep going. These guys on conceptart can really help you. Good work bro.

mime - Absolutely wonderful. I love this piece...it conveys beauty and grace. Great job. You accomplished so much with the tones. Great job. Thanks for the constant encouragement and "dead on" tips you give me about my portraits as well I really appreciate it.

Mr. Brian - I really like your style. It looks really nice. I love the choice for your skin tone as well. Great job. I have a feeling that this is very close to your likeness as well because your features and proportions are very similar to your previous post. Great job keep posting!

To Everyone else: YOU ALL ROCK KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

bwiseman

November 6th, 2002, 08:18 PM

Hey MindCandyMan, thanks for the nice words...but I'm actually kind of ugly, so if it looks freaky, then it looks like me! ...Just kidding... I was trying to do it in an hour and I ran out of time, so I couldn't fix it. I'll have to watch it on the next one.

Hexal

November 6th, 2002, 09:44 PM

Heres todays, First is not so good, second is much better IMO. NO skull though, tried that but it was really bad, i will post a skull one in the future though.
Nov 6
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port9.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port8.jpg

@Mind- Thanks a lot, Ill look at that stuff, I WILL post every day, except when i go to my dads or go away.'

Question to all SP people, when you draw your SP HOw do you do it from the mirrior, When i do i I have to look down and when i look up I have moved a bit and i think that kind of messes me up, The second is better then the first today because I tried to get a spot where i could just glance down. How do you guys do it, Your do you study your face then draw what you can remeber before you look up? Like how do you do it Daarken with like your hand over your face, or your face all skrunched up.

MindCandyMan

November 6th, 2002, 10:14 PM

Hey Hexal I thought these might be of use to you and maybe some other individuals. Some people may consider this a cheap way of doing things but it works. In general the head is approximately 7 eye widths in length. And you can use the eye to measure various places. This is just to give you a ballpark and then you can tweak your drawing to make it suit your subject closer. I might be explaining this really bad but it's late and I am going to bed hehe. Here are the images. I will post my self portraits tomorrow.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/face-structure-eyewidths proportion.jpg

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/face-structure-sketch-proportions.jpg

These images were taken from www.portrait-artist.org

Grooveholmes

November 6th, 2002, 10:46 PM

You're improving daily lionel.:chug:

Wizard of KOZ

November 6th, 2002, 10:56 PM

Man you guys are a machine...I've been away from the SP' s for a while and I come in here....low and behold...I was like holy Sh*t they started a whole new thread!

Well anyway here is my latest...
Nov 6th

http://www.landofkoz.com/storage/self_plum.jpg

littlejohn

November 6th, 2002, 11:36 PM

bwiseman: Nice one.

Blackhawk: I'll have to try some chalk next time.

taff: Welcome back. I like it.

Hermchen: I can't wait to check out your step-by-step.

killing.people: Another strongly observed piece.

http://www.davidhendee.com/images/self_portrait25.jpg

I'll put up my step-by-step in the other thread.

edit: Made some modifications based on jester's comments. Thanks!

ZippZopp

November 7th, 2002, 12:44 AM

been really busy, i'm tryin to do one a day, but its more like 1 every couple of days....i think this one is better than my last attempt...more painterly feel on this one

http://www2.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/117.jpg

Grooveholmes

November 7th, 2002, 06:13 AM

Decided to try a different direction from my norm.
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_6_02/images/index.jpg

...and now for something completely different.
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_6_02b/images/index.jpg

This is probably closer to what I'm seeing when i'm trying to do these things...
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_6_02c/images/index.jpg

jester

November 7th, 2002, 06:42 AM

http://www.jester.de/gallery/sketch/spod-032.JPG

One of those rather dark faced portraits again... :(

Jester

@Grooveholmes - yep, the eyes are too big (a mistake I'm prone to myself ;) ) but I don't think that you over-rendered it. In fact, I really like the rendering of your beard (great fan of beard, me - I kept nagging my partner till he let one grow a few years ago...). Considering your CD-cover technique you did quite a good job, actually. The left nostril hangs a bit. And I'm quite sure that your beard doesn't start growing exactly from the lower border of your lip. :)

@killing.people - nice to see you again. Looks a bit unfinished because of the large orange mass of your shirt. And I find the blurry edges of your hair a bit irritating.

@Hermchen - what can I say? Really nice one!

@taff - not bad enough to hate it ;) Looks a bit like you put Marlon Brando Pads (like in Godfather) into your mouth :D

@Blackhawk - still got a cold? At least that's what your painting looks like.

@Nold - looks like you're holding your breath - intention?

@Oblio - that's what my drawings look like first usually ;) so much for clean and tight pencils...

@keyth - for having the plague you missed the boils ;)

@Lionel - now that's a fast one, wasn't it? :D

@bwiseman - welcome. Yes, I like it. Done with a mirror?

@MindCandyMan - so glad that you didn't take my comments as an offense! I'm always amazed how well scans come out in 72dpi with 60-80% quality jpegs...
As for motivation boosts from this forum: I feel the same! :)
Noses can be a pain in the... you know.
The rendering of your right ear is great, but is it really showing that much in a full frontal view of your face? Check the size of your upper lip - is it really that full?
Regarding your tips for Hexal: :D

@Hexal - try to find a position where you can see your sketchpad and the mirror without turning your head. That's a tip I picked up from a Betty Edwards book very early and it helps a lot (not only when doing sp's but when doing any live drawings!)

@Wizard of Koz - like the sentimental look.

@littlejohn - the left half of your face is larger than the right half (and from the pose it should be vice versa). Also I think that the sweep of your upper lift (left half) is too round. This is only what I see - I'd love to be able to paint like that!

@ZippZopp - your brow is not high enough and the top of your head seems too flat. Also the shadows at the top of your nose (root?) are too prominent. However, I like the watercolor look of your portrait.

MindCandyMan

November 7th, 2002, 07:57 AM

Dont have much time but wow Jester this one is a step up from all the previous...GREAT job man...you made major headway with this one! Keep it up.

Here are some self portraits that I did yesterday.

Went back to the archaic pencil method yesterday heheh:

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 51 pencil sp.jpg

Did this one with a ball point pen...looking in the train window. Hermchen you did this much better than me hehe.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 52 train window sp.jpg

This one I did as practice. I wanted to try a self portrait without making any lines at all. I wanted to do it purely from the beginning by just using the pressure of the stylus as the defining point between features. Just for practice.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Painting 53 wispy sp.jpg

I don't know what this one is hehe:

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Painting 51 sp.jpg

peace,

.:RAPUNZEL:.

November 7th, 2002, 01:50 PM

busy times. i have to work till 23:00

mine for today. getting used to my wacom. i love it!
sorry, cant comment- i´m in the office.

http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/damanu7.jpg

baba

.:RaPuNzEl:.

coriat

November 7th, 2002, 02:03 PM

hiya gents.

i'm checking in again since i have plenty of time to spare next 2 weeks :)

i bought some charcoal today and wow! you gotta love it. really easy for shading big masses. and it handles kewl too, really different then what i expected.

Me+mirror+charcoal+10 minutes+low-quality printer paper+some pencil sketch lines=

http://home.hccnet.nl/henk.middendorp/jurjen/tekeningen/7%20november.jpg
the hair and forehead is off , didnt spend too much time on that :rolleyes: .

-mindcandy: that top one is just great! the proportion is top notch nice lines 'n stuff.
.....
you really need to shave though:eek:

-jester, try to watch your proportions a litle bit more, measure everything you see, the length of your forehead, nose, eyes, and the space between the outlines and the features and such. and the shading is a litle mono..something :D kick some more highlights and deep shadows in there!

-killing.people, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :chug: :beer: ;) :p :D
COOL!:cool:

i'll pick up with more comments tomorrow

MindCandyMan

November 7th, 2002, 02:23 PM

Check you out Coriat!!!!! You are right about the hair and forehead but wow! What a huge step you just made. You and Jester both have made great strides I think with your last self portraits. Wow great job man...keep pushing...This portrait is way more "3d" than the previous ones. Great work bro. Keep it up! I wanna see two tomorrow! Come to think of it...drop and give me twenty! (self portraits that is). Seriously though...good job man. Keep it up!

You are absolutely right about shaving. Hahahaha that's funny you noticed hahah. I HATE shaving so I let it go as long as humanly possible most likely to my detriment with my bosses...but hey...I am gonna be an illustrator some day right so who cares? Hehe. Thanks for the encouragement bro...there are lots of things that aren't right in that first portrait (as well as the others hehe) but I learned a lot through it. Peace,

bwiseman

November 7th, 2002, 03:19 PM

Alright...here's mine, the mood isn't as good as yesterday's, but it looks more like me.
http://www.brettwiseman.com/Paintings/self%20portrait%20nov%207.jpg

MindCandyMan

November 7th, 2002, 03:39 PM

Great job Bwise...looks awesome.

Oblio

November 7th, 2002, 06:25 PM

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/7nov3.jpg

Oblio

taff

November 7th, 2002, 06:42 PM

http://www.tough-illustrations.com/spod/spod071102.jpg

littlejohn - thank you, feels kinda good to do sp's again.
mindcandyman - thank you! you're doing good too. i see you getting better, so keep it up.
jester - hey, thanks, yeah the shadows got a little dark in some spots.
oblio - man, you really amaze me, look at your last portrait, i love it! nice observation on light and shadows!

killing.people

November 7th, 2002, 07:18 PM

taff: wow

obilo: wow

coriat: wow

mindcandy: wow

jester: wow

blackhawk: wow

all of you have improved so much.

-killing.ninjas

mime

November 7th, 2002, 08:21 PM

i know, i know, i'm more a self portrait each 2 days now ... its bad, i'll try to do another tomorrow !

about 35 minuts under painter7

http://erhnam.free.fr/spod6.JPG

wow, too much to comment ....

@mindcandy, i'm touched by your comment, thanxs ! And you're really improving, your last pencil drawing is really good. maybe there is also some problem with the eyes, especially the left one in this drawing. Keep drawing, you're improving fast :)

@oblio : this one is really good, watercolor toor in painter7 ?

@taff : nice shading, must have been quite long :)

@groove : you're funny :)

@jester : be careful with the nose, right now we cant really well read the planes with your shading, if you take out everything out of your portrait except the nose im not sure we would recognize it as a nose ... (i hope it did not sounded harsh or arrogant ... just trying to help)

and all the others, really nice works !!

Hexal

November 7th, 2002, 09:56 PM

Two today, Just CHinese White drawing pencil and pastel. Again i think the second is better. And im really happy im doing these, becaseu now i can get better and have some stuff to make a portfollio with so i can get into an art program at collage hopefully. :D
Nov 7
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port10.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port11.jpg

@ Mind- THanks i saw that thing about the spaceing and will try that next time, I just saw that after i drew so i will do next time

daarken

November 7th, 2002, 09:59 PM

mime: you have good structure going in your last one. nice shapes.

taff: nice one! i really like the textures you have going in the clothing.

oblio: aww, how sweet! heh. you are really improving! cant wait to see where everyone is in a year!

bwiseman: i think you have a lot of great things going on in your sp. form looks good, and nice reflected light. your pupil gets a little flat though

littlejohn: nice step by step. i really like your gouache portraits as well! keep um coming.

mindcandy: haha, actually i take a digital pic of myself. i think it might be a little hard to hold that pose and draw myself. heh.

thought i would try something a little different today.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-7.jpg

ZippZopp

November 8th, 2002, 12:51 AM

here are two...the first is done today and i had lighting set up from above, but i don't think the painting really reflects the strong lighting i had set up, the second is one i did a week ago, but it was white paint on black canvas...i decided to see what it would look like inverted and i kinda like it...anyway here they are

oh and, i'm still trying to figure out which brushes work best...i like the way the airbrush and soft brushes handle, but they leave my paintings looking kinda blurry and undefined, but i can't really get a good grasp on the hard edged brushes..which brushes in Photoshop do you most use for your portraits?

http://www2.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/spod118.jpg

http://www2.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/mewhite1.jpg

daarken: another nice one...i love the mood of your paintings...always a cool feel!

taff: i really like the one you just posted....nicely rendered and great lighting

bwiseman: the past two are really terrific, great expression, great color and nicely rendered...keep it up!

getting late here, i gotta get to bed....

cheers!

ilex

November 8th, 2002, 01:23 AM

i met android in san marcos the other day when he came to our school. i was really inspired by his creativity and energy and then i came here to find a whole slew of people who inspire me by their creativity and energy! i've decided to join in the spod for a few different reasons , the 2 main being 1. to learn painter and 2. to become a better artist.

i've looked through a lot of the threads and am so impressed by the skill and dedication of the people here and what really stands out to me is how mature people are in giving and receiving criticism. im quite excited to become a member of this community!

here are my first two attempts. i really admire you painter users! i have no idea what im doing and it's sort of hard not to just try every single brush in one image!! heeh. it's so strange to be "painting" and not be able to feel the paint or canvas. such a new sensation/experience.

so anyway that's it! i hope i put these links in correctly.

http://www.botticeli.com/spod/11.06.02.JPG
yesterday

http://www.botticeli.com/spod/11.07.02b.JPG
today

Mr.Brian

November 8th, 2002, 03:45 AM

http://members.shaw.ca/brianyee/SP/SELF46.jpg
Flourescent light source this time, woops the eyes are uneven..

retro: your pen studies are really neat
ilex: i like the 2nd one, nice mood and feel to it
littlejohn: i like the strokes in your sp, and color changes
bwiseman: I like the lighting n the painterly look in your first SP
Mime: Thanks, i liked your last effort, it has pretty solid lighting
Daarken: Cool dood :P
Mindcandyman: Thankyew, nice job on your latest pencil SP

Blackhawk

November 8th, 2002, 04:19 AM

I want to apologize to everyone for not commenting last night like I said I would. I hate going against my word. I really struggled with the first one I'm going to show and by the time I finished it last night there was no time to post or comment. My life has been extremely rough lately, but these SP's have been a great outlet for my frustration and I want to thank you all for helping to push me along and for critiquing my work, it helps me more than you know. I encourage everyone to point out how badly I screwed something up and to let me know, I can take it :D

I have one quick question though. What's a good ink pen/brush to buy? I've seen a lot of el coro's studies and some of Foster's ink sketches and I was wondering what type of pen/brushes they were using and what brand they were using. I want to do more traditional ink stuff to experiment with and I'm not sure what brand is good and so on. Thanks guys.

Painter 7 - Square Chalk - Pencil tool - ? time
http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod50.jpg

This one I did tonight was extremely mentally tasking. I enjoyed every minute of it though. It was the perfect challenge for me and probably one of the harder poses I've done in awhile. The damn mirror kept shifting in my lap though when I turned the sketchpad on it.

11 x 14 Brownpaper Sketchpad - Oil Sanguine - White Chalk 1hour
http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod51.jpg

Lionel - I like the Nov. 6th one you did. The thumb seems kind of funky though. It may have been how you rendered it. But the rest is superb. Good to see your face again. I cracked up at your stick figure SP. When that popped up I almost spit water out of my nose while drinking. :D

Jester - The Nov. 6th one is looking good in proportion and form. Work on pulling those values and contrast further. Don't be afraid to really get dark, just remember to work up the values. If you go straight to black, it may get out of control if you mess up an area. The Nov. 7th one is great. I definitely like how you rendered the hair in this one with the values. Your stuff is improving, great job.

Grooveholmes - You have a very interesting and lively style. It's great to see your SP's, especially with the CD ring in the middle of your face :D Keep it up man, this stuff is great.

Killing - Wow, your Nov. 6th one is awesome. I was wondering where you went, and then pop, you throw this one in there. Awesome job.

Hermchen - Your Nov. 6th SP is superb. It inspired me yesterday morning after I was doing some work to quickly pound out my kermit the frog SP :D (Thanks Mind :))

Taff - Great SP's. I really liked the hooded one. Are you doing these in charcoal?

Nold - I think what is throwing you off is your nose positioning. It seems like it may be going too straight, so it's throwing the mouth and everything below it too far back. If you look, it made your cheek area on the left extremely big, which also may be throwing you for a loop as well. One more thing, when you render the hairline, don't use a hard edge. Hair should have a much softer edge to it. These are just what I observed though. I don't really know your features well, but just keep these in mind to look out for. Good job, please keep them coming.

Oblio - Awesome job man. Your linework is coming along wonderfully on the Nov. 6th one. I'd love to see you try some charcoal SP's. Your Nov. 7th one is Superb.

Keyth - This one is freaky as hell, I love it man. I hope you feel better soon. Take care of yourself.

Bwiseman - Welcome and awesome job on these 2 SP's. First one has a little eye placement problem with the right eye, this second one is smooth though. Superb job.

MindCandyMan - What can I say, you are definitely improving. Your still becoming a little long in the face in a few of these, but the first one from your last batch looked great proportionally. Your features almost look like mine in areas, I can see a resemblance :) Keep it up man.

Hexal - Keep it up man. Be mindful of proportions though. Your rendering some features too large and out of place. If it helps, just sit for an hour and stare into the mirror. Study every nuance of your face. I noticed sometimes that my best SP's come after I do this, so there is something to this. As for mirror techniques. Try to get atleast a little bit comfortable, or else you'll end up like me and get into a lot of pain after trying to hold a head pose for an hour straight :D. Really, when working with the mirror, just try to get into a position where you can glance at your pad without having to move your head. If you do end up moving your head, just try to remember the position to the best of your knowledge and then keep working from there. I work exclusively from the mirror and it can get frustrating on poses sometimes because your head will start to creep to a side unknowingly. Before you know it, one side of your head is rendered at a different angle than the other side and it can get frustrating :) Really, just practice it, there really isn't any difficulty to working with a mirror. Just do what you think is best to get your drawings done. Keep it up man, I'll be looking forward to your progression.

Wizard - Welcome back, it's good to see you posting again. Your proportions have definitely improved over your last from what I remembered. Keep em' coming.

Littlejohn - Great job on this one. The only thing bugging me a little bit is the left side of the mouth. It seems like it's angle is wrong or it's too long on that side. Great job on the rest though. Always a joy to see your stuff.

ZippZopp - I really like your white and black SP. You may want to incorporate some softer edges into your painted stuff though. All the hard edges kill the values in spots and flatten them out a bit. I can't really help you on Photoshop though, I use Painter for all of my stuff. Keep at it man.

Rapunzel - The nose is sweet on this one. Excellent job. The Wacom is great, isn't it? It took me awhile to get used to it though.

Coriat - Good to see you again man. Your right about the forehead and hair, the rest of the form looks good though. Now let's see you work those values with the charcoal, it'll kick your SP's up to a new level. Good job.

Mime - The form on this one is really strong. You definitely popped the planes out. I should try one of these for my own SP's. Great job.

Daarken - This is a great SP, really strong style, I'm just wondering about the eyes though. They seem to me like they may be too far apart. Awesome job man.

ilex - Welcome to the thread. Your 2nd one is a really strong SP. I definitely like the feel to that one. The lines almost make it seem like string on a puppet or a dolls head. Great job.

Retro - More presents for us eh? That first one is superb. The rendering on it is definitely top-notch. Nordstrand posted his SP about a week ago I think. I haven't seen him since though. I hope he picks up again, I miss his stuff.

Mr. Brain - Great job man. I like this small value plane painting a lot. Keep on posting them up.

Have a great Friday everyone. Now it's time for me to sleep after spending an hour replying :D Night everyone.

jester

November 8th, 2002, 06:21 AM

http://www.jester.de/gallery/sketch/spod-033.JPG

My first attempt in Painter... (please be kind ;) ) even more concentrated look than usual. And... still problems with my nose. You should see this nobbly little thing in the middle of my face - it's really difficult to draw.

Have a great weekend everybody. I'll menace you again on Monday ;)

Jester

@MindCandyMan - first of the four is the best one!

@.:RAPUNZEL:. - cool!

@coriat - yes, it seems that charcoal is a friend of yours. I still have problems measuring proportions when working with a mirror (I cover up my face when taking measures). As for the shading: Funny thing but my family sees most likeness there where I did soft shading...

@bwiseman - no crits, just praise. :clap:

@Oblio - can't see major faults... :)

@taff - shadows on your right cheek have a too sharp edge - otherwise nice.

@mime - a bit too impersonal for my taste... Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it when people point out my mistakes - and you were by no means harsh. I have such a weird nose that it's really difficult to decide how to render it

@Hexal - nose is way better than in your earlier ones. The shape of your lips is still off.

@daarken - wow!

@ZippZopp - the tip of your nose points in different directions although both portraits are done en face... :D

@ilex- colorfuly style! second one reminds me of el coros works

@retro002 - rock steady, as usual. I'm also wondering what's wrong with Android. As for Nordstrand - I remember to have seen one of his postings the other day, he seems to be around.

@MrBrian - really nice one again

@Blackhawk - I like the sanguine one better than the eyeless first. As for that brush - check out el coros Tutorial thread in the Sketchbook forum, I remember that there was information on his tools, also a rather expensive brush (60$ or so). As I mentioned to coriat: Most people think that my spods with less harsh shadows and less contrast look more like me. They keep saying that with the contrast-intensive rendering I look either like a man or like 60 years old :D

Grooveholmes

November 8th, 2002, 08:17 AM

http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_7_02/images/index.jpg
:mrt:

I nearly passed out before completing this one. I Shall catch up on replies later.

:chug:My first consecutive week of self portraits. :beer:

MindCandyMan

November 8th, 2002, 08:21 AM

I did an experiment last night and it was very interesting.

I did a self portrait last night and I didn't erase or hit the undo button. (Ok I did once because I accidentally put a streak across the face hehe) But I did this primarily to see where my weaknesses tend to show up. It was very interesting. I know that mime has been saying that my left eye isn't right...well that's exactly what came up...and also the rendering of my nose is totally off...I am gonna draw some close ups of my nose and am also going to work on my eye placement. Plus I am still giving myself a horse face...way too long.

So without further ado...my unerasable portrait.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 50 no erasing sp.jpg

Hermchen

November 8th, 2002, 11:18 AM

I went nuts in Photoshop 7.0 with all that selfdefined brushes of mine today.

http://home.arcor.de/hermchen/postingstuff/selfportraits/6.11.2002.jpg

OK...this gonna be lots of Crits...woosh:

@taff: don't hate your SP's. This one is a nice one (pencils with raincoat or something) and if you don't think so, just take it as a single step to your best SP ever. This isn't the best you can do, I'm sure. And wont be the best you did. Go on...improve! ..... And then I see your next one...and see my words turn real. Nice details!

@Nold: Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you...*sings*
To your art...try to learn about colors a bit. I think you could do major improvements, just by varying the backgroundcolor or so to push your Portrait to the front...brown in brown isn't that lovely :) I look forward to the next one!!!

@Grooveholms: I loke those three :) between like and love->loke ... haha. no. I mean it. those CD-circle-thingy, it makes me grin everytime I see it...makes my every day...

@Rapunzel: neat! uncompleted (? shirt, hair ?) but oh so nice...

@bwiseman: I surfed your website and found a drawing that could be another SP. But U didn't show it, did U?...shame on you...what's your profession? I am really interested in that...Your SP's make me feel drunk ;)

@Oblio: taff is right...how much time do you put into your drwaings? I think you should put more time into them...you could be so much more stunning :) but I like the sketchiness, too

@mime: 35 minutes in painter7 It gives me the creeps...lookes like a wax-sculpture or something...nice...I will inform Madame Tussaud ;)

@daarken: ...poor inspiration...almost everytime! from wich star are you? :beam:

@Mr.Brian... the Hair!!!! muahahah. I'd like to habe that hair...would give me the possibility to use more black in my pictures...haha. No, I was joking. is that the palette knife u r using? I like. I will try, too.

@Blackhawk: The second one (11 x 14 Brownpaper Sketchpad - Oil Sanguine - White Chalk) is so cool-nice how u used the direction of the hatch and the values are nice, and that perspective. I know how hard it is to get this kind of perspectives right! So, congratulations...And thanks for that flattering :) now I'm freaking happy :fruit:

@Jester: Is that color I see there? Whoohaaa!!! Did u notice your improvements? It's like you're jumping houses. Every post a jump. Hope your in Tokio and there are really high skyscrapers so you can jump more ;)

@Mindcandy: U are kind of obsessed, aren't you? Drawing and drawing all the time. If you go on so fast, improving all the time, I can't wait for the next month. Would like to see some more deailed work. And you could try to work on your gradient skills. I can see, U try to shade and render your SPs you sometimes start with some slight shadings, but then stop and dont go on.
I would like you to sit down somewhere, where the light is hard and so the shadows are. Then you should nearly close your eyes to a narrow gap. That way you won't be able to see any details anymore but only the values of the shadows, your face casts. Try to catch them on paper with very very loose hatchings...dont concentrate too much on the shapes...just look for the values...I think U could learn a lot, that way...

MindCandyMan

November 8th, 2002, 11:31 AM

Thanks Hermchen...my wife says the same thing..."When you get an idea in your head you go after it!" So I will keep going! heheh. You are dead on about not getting more detailed. To be honest I don't really know what to do. I have only been drawing for almost two months and I haven't taken any classes or anything so I am kind of just winging it. And to be totally honest I feel kind of lost when I think of shading. That's why I start to do it but then never finish hehe. It seems a little overwhelming to me...what method to use and where to use it etc... Crosshatching, stipling, etc... I will try the squinting thing tonight. This weekend I will be in Maryland and so I won't be able to post till monday but I will be taking my sketch pad and drawing every day...so I will try that.

It is my goal to be as good at painting as jon foster, craig mullins, Jason Manley, Andrew, etc... in 10 years. So hopefully by the time I am 32 I can quit my office job and do something a lot more creative for a living.

Thanks for the encouragement...

I love this self portrait you just did. I saw your other thread on the customized brushes. This one looks really cool.

keyth

November 8th, 2002, 12:56 PM

back from the dead. sickness is finally fading. now i just have that cough where gunk comes up and tastes bad. whew! that was a rough one. snot, jetbutt, sneezes, coughs, fatigue, congestion, headache, stomach ache, tumors, boils, puss, dry skin, wet skin, vomit, elephantitis, internal bleeding, paranoia, delusions, etc. wow, its good to feel better:p

nov 8
http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov8spwebcon.jpg

bwiseman

November 8th, 2002, 05:06 PM

This one ended up a little squashed. This view of a head(from underneath) has always been the most difficult for me to portray accuratly. My proportions always seem to be just slightly off...just enough to make it look like a pig-person. I'm happy with the look of the picture as a whole, though. I like the warmness of the the colors! Also, I got a horrible hair cut today...damn stylist woman!!!

http://www.brettwiseman.com/Paintings/self%20portrait%20nov%208.jpg

hermchen: Yes, there's a drawing on my website that is a self portrait, but I did it like 8 months ago, so that's why I didn't put it here. I'm not sure how to take the comment about feeling drunk...but the piece you just did makes me feel kind of high!!
Right now I currently profess as nothing...I'm looking for a job. Anyone who wants to give me one, I'll happily accept!!! I went to school as an Illustration major, graduated last May. Seriously, though, I'm in desperate need of a job. My student loan payments start this month...crap!!

ilex: Good beginnings!! Very ambitious choices in color. I'm curious to see how well you could attempt a realistic sp. Its important to be skilled in both tight and loose techniques.

blackhawk: This last piece you just did is really beautiful. I love the fleshy colors of the skin and the greens really add a lot to it. The lighting is great too. It feels like a very personal and emotional piece. Its very impactful!!

jester: The first painting I ever did in Painter sucked major @$$!! You are off to a good start!! I've found that, usually, the more general you can be with the hair, the better it will look. I have problems with my nose sometimes too...refer to the picture above...here piggy piggy (snort), here piggy piggy!!!

Lionel

November 8th, 2002, 06:15 PM

Am staying briefly with my parent so have no graphics table :/. Here is a quick sketch I did as I have already missed one day (went furnature in Ikea home of disposable furnature) On a very slow connection so will coment on peoples stuff later. I feel really bad for not writing more. My scencerest thanks to everyone who has commented on my stuff.
http://raq626.uk2net.com:/~lionel/me34.JPG

Oblio

November 8th, 2002, 10:07 PM

yes... i'm not putting enough work into them. I'll make it up... promise.
Here: 6:00 AM - monitor light (i always wanted to do this) - i work on two 20' monitors if it looks too bright. :)
My first try with painter markers too (makers form v.5 - don't know why.. i've laoded the set to see diferences and went on with the firts tool...)
Too late to comment - sorry :(

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/8nov.jpg

Oblio

Hexal

November 8th, 2002, 10:31 PM

NOV 8
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port13.jpg

MindCandyMan

November 8th, 2002, 10:37 PM

Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa...I am the only one that thinks that Oblio's most recent one is AWESOME. Holy cow...great work man it rocks! Wow that is totally awesome. Wow...I am floored...honestly.

Ok Hermchen here is an attempt at a more detailed self portrait. Help! I have no idea how to shade...hehe...This sucks...oh well try again tomorrow hehe.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 51 pencil spweb.jpg

ZippZopp

November 9th, 2002, 12:27 AM

here is mine for the day, goin tomorrow to check out School of Visual arts for grad school! i'm pretty psyched to have a look around there.....anyway, here it is, Great work everyone

http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/spod119.jpg

jhibbs

November 9th, 2002, 12:27 AM

hey everybody, sorry about the long absence (although a day is long in this thread :p ) i got lots to show though.

i finally got pics of all my traditional self portraits done while i was at home on weekends, as well as my special one for Nov.1. they're in a seperate thread in this forum, please check it out :)

Mindcandyman-lots of improvements from your earliest ones, youre getting a lot closer with proportions. pencil one looks good.

blackhawk-that last sanguine pic rocks, you've inspired me to go buy one of those brown sketchbooks

jester-nb for first painter attempt. i find that starting very loose with a huge brush helps to get the proportions much easier, remember you have a lot of freedoms you dont have with traditional mediums (painting over infinitely/undo)

keyth-like that last one a lot, looks like you're wearing a black turtleneck. and glad to hear you're feeling better

oblio- WOW, im with MCM, i couldnt believe that last one (the green one) you have improved so much recently, and this one seems leaps ahead of your others. the eyes are excellently rendered, the values and proportions are spot-on, and the consistent stroke direction adds a nice touch. ill have to give that painter marker a try. keep up the great work.

ok heres my stuff from november. there are a few missing. one is a life-size oil painting (no camera sorry), and the others are in the other thread i made. 2 quickies and a longer one tonight:
http://www.angelfire.com/apes/trevorr/1return.txt

http://www.angelfire.com/apes/trevorr/2sped.txt

http://www.angelfire.com/apes/trevorr/3third.txt

Blackhawk

November 9th, 2002, 04:45 AM

Tonight was a bunch of bullshit for me. I haven't been happy with anything I've done in the last month and it all culminated tonight. I spent 3 hours fiddling with this piece of crap and it went nowhere. I finally scrapped everything off the image, left the linework and threw together a crap background. I felt like I was artistically retarded tonight, not a good night for me.

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod52.jpg

bwiseman

November 9th, 2002, 12:13 PM

I'll comment on other's tomorrow...I'm going to the Festival of the Masters in Downtown Disney in Orlando!! I went about four years ago and it was awesome...I'm sure it will be today also. They said on the news that they are building a life size Lego sculpture of Yoda...its supposed to take them to whole weekend to do. I can't wait to see it! Later!!

This took me about an hour and a half...

http://www.brettwiseman.com/Paintings/self%20portrait%20nov%209.jpg

killing.people

November 9th, 2002, 01:28 PM

bwiseman:
i like this one.

Hermchen

November 9th, 2002, 01:33 PM

@bwiseman: You took the "drunk" the right way! And not wanting to repeat myself...I'll say nothing. :) I think I will drink some wine tonight... ;)

I woke up late today, like everyday, and...arg no energy left...can't do anything...total melancholie...but then I started to draw and thought...yes, no it's time for some SP-ing.

Black Ink and Watercolors in Painter7
http://home.arcor.de/hermchen/postingstuff/selfportraits/9.11.2002.jpg

I think I get used to my proportions...this one (only the inks) took me ten minutes...color and aftertouches about 15 minutes...so overall...ehm...ah...ohh.......25 minutes.

cotron

November 9th, 2002, 01:50 PM

hermchen, that's a nice sp...you remind me of the guy from the new grand theft auto ;)

i'll try to post something tonight, i'm still doing my sp's...just sporadically...damn school

Oblio

November 9th, 2002, 05:50 PM

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/9nov.jpg
thx for comments guys. sorry 4 this one - i'll ake it back.

Mindcandy - last one is dope. you are really improving. split it into planes and hatch each plane. low poly approach.

Oblio :zzz:

Blackhawk

November 9th, 2002, 07:46 PM

I wanted to salvage what I did last night, so I worked on it today. Here's the finished and it's closer to what I was going for last night but just couldn't do. I'll have one more SP and comments later tonight.

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod53.jpg

Ochre Face

November 9th, 2002, 09:15 PM

hey folks :-) i've been watching this thread since the beginning.. i actually posted some watercolor portraits on the first page in the original SPOD thread... now after two months? i started painting spo's again...

here are three.. i am tryin to find that balance between loose and presentable...

http://www.funlabor.com/ochreface-spnov1.jpg

http://www.funlabor.com/ochreface-spnov2.jpg

http://www.funlabor.com/ochreface-spnov3.jpg

i also like to use wierd colors ...

jeremy

ZippZopp

November 9th, 2002, 11:51 PM

here's mine for the day, these paintings take me longer then they should, i'm still struggling with tryin to get a more painterly feel and be more loose, but i always have to have a good sketch down before i can start painting...i need to try a few without sketching first, just painting! still tryin to figure out my brushes, i'm hitting the extremes...the soft airbrush and the harder edged brushes, i can't seem to get much in between......any suggestions?

http://www2.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/spod1110.jpg

i think the right eye is a bit off, i think it might need to be tilted a bit, is that correct, or am i totally wrong with that?

Ochre Face: great stuff, i like the mood and lighting of those portraits...very gestural loose style you have going...wish i could some more of that!

blackhawk: really nice portrait! i really like the expression, nice job

bwiseman: another good one from you...your paintings are always getting better, i like the way you've done the shirt and hair in your latest one

jhibbs: nice portraits, the third one you posted is great...its got a really nice serene feeling in the eyes.

mindcandyman: definately improving...they are getting better each time....i've done a few and am already feeling myself gettin a little better each time! keep it up!

great work everyone!

mime

November 10th, 2002, 12:17 AM

sorry guys, its too late for me to comments, but i will tomorrow (i hope)

this one took longer, about 2 hours i guess ... and it's still wrong, problems with the eye in shadows, it looks weird and i dont really know why ... but im happy with the other eye ...
I started with a kinda wrong drawing, that was bad, i lost a lot of time in the end correcting things .... i should have spend more on the proportions in the beginning.

well overall after a lot of corrections, i'm quite happy with it, except for this weird eye (any suggestions about this eye ?)

http://erhnam.free.fr/spod7d.jpg

cya later guys :)

EDIT
eventually i was too much bothered by this eyes and tried to correct it before going to sleep (i'm exhausted)
http://erhnam.free.fr/spod7e.jpg

tell me if it works better

cotron

November 10th, 2002, 12:21 AM

http://ramsites.net/~milescm/sketches/sp/angerweb.jpg

a spod that I used for drawing for my illustration class...showing frustration....here's the final drawing... sorry for not commenting, but everyone's stuff is looking really good!

Ochre Face

November 10th, 2002, 12:21 AM

Thanks ZippZopp

More painterly? Hmm.. lets see, it is harder in photoshop, traditionally we would just have to lay the paint on thick like yogurt... in Photoshop, i think it's a matter of drawing with a big, big brush and laying down the strokes and not hiding your paint tracks... i also use hard edges for the drawing, and then connecting all the shadows in the face, then airbrush the dark values, then hard edges for mid tones

i cant wait to see more of your painterly progress!

jeremy

jhibbs

November 10th, 2002, 01:32 AM

blackhawk-way to salvage that one, turned out nicely. i jave a lot of trouble reworking things, mostly because i cant stand looking at my work after its finished :p

zippzopp-thanx, you might wanna try painter if you havent already, its great for a more tradional feel. if you dont have that option, then what ochreface said is good advice. also you might wanna try making your own brushes, the round ones get pretty old (mess around with edit>define brush and you'll figure it out)

mime-nice work, and about the eye (had to figure out which you meant, they both looked ok to me) the left eye (our right) it just looks too small really, and the positioning a bit too high. hope that helps

heres mine for today, i also made another 4x5 foot inkwash (number 4) by enlarging the image i use for my avatar. sorry no camera yet, but when i get one ill post all the traditional stuff i havent shown.

spent a lot longer on this than usual, and its the first in a long time i can say im pleased with. (i'd say this is the best portrait ive ever done) i think not adding any details until i had the entire image blocked in really helpd out, ill do the same thing with prog shots for the WIP SPOD thread next time.

http://www.geocities.com/jhibbs27/4.txt

PS:figured out that with angelfire, you can link images if you change the extension to .txt, hope thats not something everyone knows already :p

Baco Noir

November 10th, 2002, 02:03 AM

Okay...As promised some crits. This'll be a long post, and if I forget anyone that's posted SP's since my last effort, then I apologize in advance.

First off...everyone is doing great! So many styles, and all of which I love!

Blackhawk:Nov 6th - a different feel from you without the sanguine-ish feel. Love it.
Nov 6th PartII - The red and green is a neat idea, but I'm having trouble picking out whether the red was supposed to be shading (in which case the light is off) or just randomly tossed in there.
Nov 8th: Definitely a difficult pose, and very nicely done. Something's up with your right eye, but I can't put my finger on it.
Nov 9th- Ease up on yourself mate! I think this is an excellent start to a piece. Frustrations will come and go, and glad to see that you gave it another shot the next day. It turned out just dandy.

Lionel: Nov6th - I am jealous of anyone who can use painter, I am hopeless. Very nice, but just a couple of suggestions. Your ear appears a wee bit down too far (check the length on the headphones for ref), and your neck is a bit wide on the left side methinks. Still impressive.
Nov 6th Part II- Back to basic pencil! Very nice job on a difficult angle.

Jester:Nov 6th - Glad to see that someone still knows how to use a pencil rather than those new-fangled things. Right side seems a bit off, like the nose makes that side of the face appear to go down and away, and the eye makes it go up and away from the viewer...just a thought.
Nov 7th- Well done. Took me a while to find your left ear though. lol...
Nov 8th- You abandoned your pencil! Good one, even if you say the nose is a little off. At least you know that's your sticking point and your "hump" to get over. :)

Grooveholmes: Nov 6th- Charming! I like this one.
Nov 7th- I like all three, but really really love the first one. The blue-ish reflection of the CD is wicked.

Killing People: Nov 6th-This style rocks! I can see where the funky hair might be distracting, but I like it anyway, and the way that you rendered the scruff. The shirt lacks the definition of the rest of it though.

Hermchen: Nov 6th - what can I say but wow. This has to be one of my favourites that I've seen.
Nov 8th - So completely out of the blue. A surprising switchup from you and it's neat to see. The right side of your mouth kind of droops a bit, à la Jean Chrétien (for all you Canucks out there).
Nov 9th- This one has an almost Keyth-ish feel to it. Nice mix of strong lines and watery colours.

Taff: Nov 6th- Well done, I could never get the hang of the hooded thing.
Nov 7th- Again, very nice. That fuzzy jacket/shirt is very nicely textured.

Nold: Nov 6th- Keep up the good work with Painter...that program hates me.

Oblio: Nov 6th- The clean ones give me the creeps...I have no idea why. :D
Nov 7th- Wow. This has got to be one of my favourites from you. As one of my elementary school teachers used to say..."It's got OOMPH!"
Nov 8th- Oh my goodness! That one is awesome!
Nov 9th- I'm so glad you posted that one. It makes me feel better to know that even YOU have off days.

Keyth: Nov 6th- Creeptastic! I think the right cheek might be a bit to poofy (yes that's a technical term), but still spooky as all heck.
Nov 8th- Welcome back to the land of the living! Super job.

BWiseman: Nov 6th- I really like this one. Don't know if this was intentional or not..but your nostril looks like it's completely separate from your nose. Yes? No?
Nov 7th- Like this one a lot...nothing to crit really...
Nov 8th- Something about your work reminds me of clay. I like it.
Nov 9th- This one makes me laugh every time I look at it. Superb. The eyebrow is what makes it.

Hexal: Nov 6th- Glad that you're not chicken to work with some different colours! I'm still too much of a wiener to fiddle with odd hues and whatnot. Keep it up!
Nov 7th- Already seeing some improvement. A suggestion? Make sure that if you're going to slant a feature to show depth, that they all go in the same direction. Your eyes, nose and mouth all seem to go a different way.
Nov 8th- Way to keep cranking them out! Ever thought of trying good old HB on white paper? The white on black has a nice effect, but I'm curious to see how the reverse would turn out.

Wizard: Nov 6th- Forehead crinkles! I love it when people show forehead crinkles. ;)

littlejohn: Nov 6th- Good stuff!

ZippZopp: Again, I covet any sort of skill with Painter. Only thing I can suggest is that your ear is maybe a little small.
Nov 9th- Nicely done. Good luck with the grad school applications! They're a bugger.
Nov 10th- Very in-your-face. Check the size of your nose. Could be a bit large in the middle sections?

MindCandy: Nov 7th- Wow! You've improved so much since I started watching this thread. Excellent work.
Nov 8th- I know this was your non-erasable one, but I really really like it. Maybe it's the angle..dunno.
Nov 8th Part II- Excellent job. The extra detail, even if it is rough, helps bring the SP to life.

Rapunzel: Nov 7th- Well done. I'm quite curious about your hair...heh.

Mime: Nov7th- Completely shadowed eyes=nifty. Very nice, a little on the creepy side.
Nov 10th- Very smooth, very nice. The only thing I can point out is that your hair is sooo dark, and yet your eyebrow are translucent (and the right one doesn't protude from your brow at all). I like both of your versions equally well. The subtle shading adjustments I don't think necessarily improved either piece, but it did make them slightly different and separately interesting.

Daarken: Nov 7th- So different for you..and so darn nice! Keep it up.

ilex: Nov 8th- Ack! So blindingly bright! Great stuff. I especially like the second one, a little rough and with a funky background. Welcome to the board.

retro: Nov 8th- So few lines, yet such good definition of all the important features. Very nice.

Mr. Brian: Nov8th- Good job! And the eyes really don't look that uneven to me.

jhibbs: Nov 9th- I've been unable to check out your gargantuan painting that you posted earlier, silly computer won't load it for me, but from what I've seen of our other stuff, it must be amazing. I love your eyes.
Nov 10th- I agree. Great!

Ochre: Nov 9th- Weird colours are good! Though I must admit that I like the first one the best.

Cotron: Nov 10th- You have captured a feeling that I'm sure all of us experience frequently. Looks like me trying to do school work. Heh. Sweet job.

Sweet Jesus, it's late and my eyes are threatening to seal themselves shut if I don't get off this (#@)% computer and get some sleep. I hope that will keep you all busy for a bit, and feel free to give me a shout if you have questions or comments about my comments..etc, etc...

daarken

November 10th, 2002, 03:15 AM

sorry to cut everyone short with the crits, but everyone is doing a great job. i am amazed at the progress. i recently went back to page one of the original guest sp section. its really hard to believe how far people have come.

i was in the progress of leaving a message on here stating that i do not feel the journey is worth it...that i think i must leave the art world behind for a while, when i stopped mid sentence. i began to think what would andrew say. he would tell me to take my anger and frustration and put it onto the canvas. and he is right. i cant just quit when i feel as though i have no purpose in life. i must continue forward, and i thank you for that.

yesterdays 11-8
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-8.jpg
todays 11-9
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-9.jpg

Alger Langdon

November 10th, 2002, 07:14 AM

Here's my mug........About 3 hours.http://home.ix.netcom.com/~olskool1/_uimages/selfroweb.jpg

bwiseman

November 10th, 2002, 02:48 PM

http://www.brettwiseman.com/Paintings/self%20portrait%20nov%2010.jpg

daarken: I'm sure we've all felt that way before, I know I have...many, many times. You just work through it and sooner or later you'll find that its the struggle that makes you a better artist! Whether its a struggle in your personal life or in your ability to make art. How can anyone expect to be a good artist one day by never having made any mistakes? Like my teachers in school used to tell us, you'll do a hundred shitty pieces of artwork before you get one good one, then you'll do a hundred more shitty pieces before you get another good one. Over time, the amount of shitty pieces you do will decrease. Besides...your stuff is awesome...don't fret!

zippzopp: You don't need to worry about how long it takes you to do something...as you get better you'll get faster. If you do want to get faster, though, the best is probably to tell yourself before you start, that no matter what, you are only going to take, say and hour. Then periodically look at the clock. Hopefully this will force you to make better decisions about what to place and where to place it. It will also keep you from staying in one spot for too long.

Alger Langdon: Very cool!

daarken

November 10th, 2002, 04:20 PM

bwiseman: thanks for the words of encouragement, you are right. haha, actually my teachers told me you do 1000 shitty pieces before you do one good one. i will push forward though.

just woke up and did this one for today. i have a lot of gouache ahead of me today, so i thought i would get it out of the way. guess i am not a morning person, heh.
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-10.jpg

taff

November 10th, 2002, 04:59 PM

was visiting my parents over the weekend. man, so many new sp's, awesome! thanks for all the kind comments on my last two portraits. :)

blackhawk - no charcoal, soft pencil (aroud 6B) :chug:

http://www.tough-illustrations.com/spod/spod101102.jpg
today's was done in front of a big mirror. my knee started to ache after a couple of minutes, so i didn't take much time on this one.

Grooveholmes

November 10th, 2002, 05:14 PM

HEH HEH! Shouldn't lock your knees when posing taff! I've seen a couple models pass out because of that.

jhibbs

November 10th, 2002, 06:37 PM

daarken-you of all people should not be thinking of giving up art. your stuff has been maknig me jealous since i started. those last two are great, especially the 'morning face' one :p

baco noir-thanx :)

alger langdon- wow looks like a photo.

heres tonight's, done much earlier than usual, i had nothing to do. different lighting too (overhead/behind fluorescent) i feel like i need to start getting more creative :\

http://www.geocities.com/jhibbs27/5.txt

taff

November 10th, 2002, 06:38 PM

Yeah, locking your knees can be a bad experience. Though, I am glad I didn't make this experience, yet. ;)

http://www.tough-illustrations.com/spod/spod111102.jpg

It's 1 a.m. here, and I felt like doing another portrait, so I already did tomorrow's, well today's. It was quite a challenge, since I forced myself to work fast and without the use of an eraser (trying to observe better). It turned out quite bad, but took me 'only' about 15 minutes.

Lionel

November 10th, 2002, 07:01 PM

Very crap and very quick my computer is on the floor at the moment to it is very hard to paint as the screnn seems miles away :/. Must go to bed now will write more later
http://raq626.uk2net.com/~lionel/me35.JPG

Oblio

November 10th, 2002, 07:39 PM

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/10nov.jpg

wait.. i see you now...
http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/10nov1.jpg

no references for the glasses.

1000 shitty? I dont have 100 drawings yet...
as for the knees... we had one exercise at school - we had to stand up (we were sitting on a chair) not faster then an hour... slowly.. slowly... like a clock.. well there is a certain position when... ... :eek: ... no.. you try that, ok? :p

taco noir - thank you so much. here.. i've tried to remake the one...
uf.. exosted.. nighty night.. :zzz:

Oblio

keyth

November 10th, 2002, 10:59 PM

ob: those are awesome. i really like the top one. wow!!

daarken: you weenie:p . no purpose in life?! how about giving me the chance to enjoy your art. i look forward to it!! now you have a purpose. you're a badass. you know if you stopped you'd only hate yourself for it. plow through it buddy.
now drop and give me twenty and put another step by step in it's proper section you weiner!!

http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov10spwebcon.jpg

keyth

November 10th, 2002, 11:07 PM

dammit! i made my eyeballs too close together.

ZippZopp

November 10th, 2002, 11:22 PM

not happy with this one....but here it is anyway...lots of problems with it

http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/spod1111.jpg

bwiseman: sweet job on the glasses in your last one....they look fantastic

oblio; those are great, glasses look excellent...sweet job

taff; i like the expression in that one

jhibbs; great angle for your portrait

alger: looks awesome, i like the light tint of blue you chose for it, really gives it a nice feel

daarken: don't stop, you can't, you're work is top notch. definately work through it and i'm sure you'll be a better artist for it

Grooveholmes

November 10th, 2002, 11:52 PM

http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_10_02/images/index.jpg
Quick one. ...Like half an hour.. ...maybe.

retro002

November 11th, 2002, 01:52 AM

hey. jus flicked through the last couple o pages -> wow.

here my last sketches, second one is opaque white with my old colors from school, though it's fulla mistakes, it was really fun to do (i'm not so much a painter, y'know) ;)

http://free.pages.at/retro002/portrait_selbst089.jpg

http://free.pages.at/retro002/portrait_selbst090.jpg

ilex

November 11th, 2002, 04:40 AM

http://www.botticeli.com/spod/11.09.02.jpg
saturday - not complete

http://www.botticeli.com/spod/11.10.02.jpg
tonight.

can't type.
must sleep.

Blackhawk

November 11th, 2002, 05:04 AM

Sorry about this one and last night. I passed out way too early, I haven't been feeling well ever since I had to shovel manure all day acouple days ago. :eek: I've been really struggling with my art the last couple of days. I just wanted to do a head study a bit tonight and try to get the crap out of my system. These took between 5-15 minutes each.

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod54.jpg

Daarken - You of all people should not be considering quitting art for awhile. I'm honestly jealous of your seeming consistency and style. I love every bit of it. I'm still struggling with my art to a great extent. I know I want to do better, but I've hit a wall, and I seem to be banging my head against it over and over again instead of going through it, so I know how you feel. I just wish I had the opportunity for more instruction, but right now I'm stuck just teaching myself and taking life drawing once a week, so I'm having to problem solve completely on my own, and for a beginner like me it's really frustrating. Just keep at it man, take solace in knowing that others feel like you do, your definitely not alone. Keep impressing us every week, everyone here enjoys your work.

Retro - You knock my socks off. Excellent.

Everyone - Excellent job everyone. I know I haven't commented much at all the last couple of days. I'll get back into the routine hopefully soon. All I can say is this thread kicks ass and all of you are throwing out incredible work. Keep it up guys and gals.

cotron

November 11th, 2002, 05:50 AM

http://ramsites.net/~milescm/sketches/sp/1111web.jpg

dreaming pleasant thoughts....acrylics/colorpencil/bit o photoshop...and the blue blob is my arm..that's what it really looks like. def not a technical sp, but I wanted more mood than anything. sorry again for not commenting, it's 20 til 7am and I have class @ 10...gahhhh i'm screwed.

daarken, I've definitely been there, but I'm sure something will happen soon enough to jumpstart the creative juices...highs and lows are what make an artist's life different from the standard. push til you hear it snap.

MindCandyMan

November 11th, 2002, 07:38 AM

Everyone is doing so awesome. I am glad to see some new people really putting out some good stuff....Ilex and Alger...great stuff everyone sorry I can't comment I am at work...I will do it later today.

Well this weekend was a bit crazy...I had to drive down to Maryland. I have another self portrait in my sketchbook but I forgot to bring it to work to scan. Sorry about that I will post it tomorrow.

I was embarassed to post this because I tried to crosshatch and got a little crazy and then just got frustrated. Oh well...here it is. Daarken you better not stop...you rock...look at my sucky self portrait...will I draw tomorrow...yes. Keep going.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 52 pencil sp.jpg

keyth

November 11th, 2002, 10:40 AM

today.

http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov11spwebcon.jpg

coriat

November 11th, 2002, 03:57 PM

damn, this was hard :(
but it came out pretty good i think, i'm getting to a point where to have look a tiny bit like me....

i really liked the angle, it was hard and it may not be the best i did, but i think i did pretty well, i'm definetly gonna do more of these weird kind of angles, it teaches you to measure like a bitch :D i think i used more construction lines and measured more than usual, which is a good thing...

I'm also thinking about taking portrait classes or figure drawing classes, maybe. if i can round the money up...
i think i can improve my drawing AND (more importantly) my shading technique...i really can't shade ... silly me.

as i said in my last post i have plenty of time this week, so you'll be hearing alot from me tomorrow... including crits, since i will go to bed now :D

here's the thing (pencil, half an hour) :
http://home.hccnet.nl/henk.middendorp/jurjen/tekeningen/11-11.jpg

1 thing though:

@mindcandy: WOW! you're improving like it's nothing, keep up the good work!

seeya

coriat out

bwiseman

November 11th, 2002, 04:04 PM

Don't you just love this Self Portrait Forum goodness!! I'm eatin it all up! I really look forward to coming here everyday and seeing what people have done.

http://www.brettwiseman.com/Paintings/self%20portrait%20nov%2011.jpg

keyth

November 11th, 2002, 05:00 PM

i hate it.

jester

November 11th, 2002, 05:07 PM

Hooops, I almost missed this one. Just a 10 minute hurried sketch after returning from a private draw club. ;)

Sorry, no comments from me tonight, either.

Jester

http://www.jester.de/gallery/sketch/spod-034.JPG

Lionel

November 11th, 2002, 06:30 PM

grr everything I try to paint tonight turns to mush!!!!

http://raq626.uk2net.com/~lionel/me36.JPG

taff

November 11th, 2002, 08:06 PM

http://www.tough-illustrations.com/spod/spod121102.jpg
Today, I didn't feel like shading as usual, so I kept it rather simple.

bwiseman - ... your last portrait is breathtaking, wow!
keyth - aw, bad mood, what happened? :/
jester - a private drawing club. would love to do such a thing, too, but sadly i don't now anyone interested in drawing or painting in my area. all the internet ppl from germany live pretty far away, too. :/

garg

November 11th, 2002, 08:25 PM

eep

I've been putting this off :(

busy..sick.. etc.. ahem.. :(

tsk tsk.. no excuses :O

hehe..

http://www.thenetbox.com/blah/nov11.jpg

taff.. wow.. awesome.. simple but looks awesome
Lionel: great colors.. I don't know why.. but it looks different that the other SPs u've made
Jester: nice for 10 mins.. yea.. not too many drawing enthusiasts near me :( atleast none that I know of.. my drawing club is Conceptart.org
bwiseman: woah!! awesome work.. how long did it take u to do that? :eek:
Coriat: I think thats coming out great.. just keep at it.. keep practicing .. and you'll do great! basically its sketching in relation to other parts of ur face..
keyth: wow.. awesome.. and btw.. thanks for posting that message in my thread :) I needed a reminder :D.. i'll try not to leave that out again.. i did some in the middle.. turned out terrible.. then I went into hiding :D hehe

cya later people.. Keep it up..

BTW.. A bigger mirror does wonders! I'm never going to use my 6x4 inch mirror ever again.. hehe... I took off the big bathroom mirror and leaned it against another chair for todays SP... was much quicker.. and no frustrations with fitting your head in the mirror hehe..

note to self: the nose doesn't look like mine..

bwiseman

November 11th, 2002, 09:11 PM

thenetbox: It took me about an hour and a half. I try not to go further than that...and thanks!!

amphex

November 11th, 2002, 09:13 PM

Damn, cant believe I just found this..Ive been working so hard on self portraits lately, but they all freaking suck!
I always either:
a) Over-exagerate features that Im self concious about
b) Over compensate for (a)
or (the most common on)
c) it just doesnt look anything like me!

God this is frustrating!

Hexal

November 11th, 2002, 09:50 PM

Long time no porttrait. Well i didn't do one on sat or sun, I was working sat till like 12:00 at night and unlike somepoeple here i have to sleep, i i had to much homework on sun. Bu ti will never let that happen agian, I will always try to do atleast two a day if not more!

@Baco Noir- I first ones i did HB on white, but i pick up the black pad and wanted to try that for a bit, but todays are Hb on white(well a dull dull yellow color fro my sketch pad)
NOV 11
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port14.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port15.jpg

I really Ilke my first today, the second isn't that good, And heres a point my brother(twin brother mind you) brought up, to you guys do the portrais look like one person or someone else every time?

@bwiseman- Your porttrait are relly cool, I like the style, it looks kind of cartoonie to me.

Oh and when i go to the frist page of this thread i get a this saying connect to jsim.com. Does anyon else get this?

Hexal

November 11th, 2002, 09:51 PM

Long time no portrait. Well i didn't do one on sat or sun, I was working sat till like 12:00 at night and unlike somepoeple here i have to sleep, i i had to much homework on sun. Bu ti will never let that happen agian, I will always try to do atleast two a day if not more!

@Baco Noir- I first ones i did HB on white, but i pick up the black pad and wanted to try that for a bit, but todays are Hb on white(well a dull dull yellow color fro my sketch pad)
NOV 11
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port14.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port15.jpg

I really Ilke my first today, the second isn't that good, And heres a point my brother(twin brother mind you) brought up, to you guys do the portrais look like one person or someone else every time?

@bwiseman- Your porttrait are relly cool, I like the style, it looks kind of cartoonie to me.

Oh and when i go to the frist page of this thread i get a this saying connect to jsim.com. Does anyon else get this?

MindCandyMan

November 11th, 2002, 10:07 PM

Here's my latest self portrait:

Thanks for the constant help you guys give me. You guys rock. Here is the latest....

pencil tool in Painter...like 1 hour or something...actually longer...not sure hehe...having too much fun.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 53 pencil sp webversion.jpg

Hexal - Definite...DEFINITE improvement seen on the first one. And yes you are right don't let that happen again hehe (about you missing those days of self portraits). It gets harder and harder to come back the more you don't do it. YOu are definitely improving keep going bro!

amphex - Don't sweat it...we all do that. You wouldn't need to practice drawing if you got it perfect every time. Don't worry bro...just keep practicing and have fun. I always think of every bad one that I do as one step towards greatness. Cause all the masters had to get through so many bad ones as well. Keep pushing it will be worth it in the end.

the netbox - I really like this one. Keep posting bro I like your stuff. I can see steady improvement. Keep your momentum.

taff - The eyes are a little skewed. But wow! This is great. I love the concept and the rendering is awesome. Great work bro. You look cool with a mech suit!

lionel - can't say I know the feeling...haven't worked with paint yet hehe. I know you rock though...I have been seeing your stuff all this time and you are good. Try just doing an emotional self portrait. Don't worry too much about specific lines...etc...Do a crazy one and then sit down and do an all out one. I think you will like the results.

jester - good proportions for a hurried sketch. Private draw club huh...sounds cool.

coriat - Yeah those angles are really really difficult. I think you did a good job placing the features on this one. The rendering of the features is a little off. They look a little funky (foreshortening is crazy hard) but great courage to take on that pose. That's awesome. Keep em coming man you are getting significantly better...that is undeniable.

bwiseman - The colors on your recent ones have been lovely. Really awesome work bro I am really impressed...especially with the one you are using as your avatar. Great great stuff. The proportions on this one look a little off (ear is too big) but the colors and everything else rock! Great stuff keep em coming.

keyth - You rock as normal. You have an uncanny eye for your face...you always look the same in all your portraits. You are really good man. Your pot bellied gladiator inspired me to try a guy like that. I will post it in my thread tomorrow...it isn't the greatest but you inspired me to try so I thought you would like to know hehe.

cotron - Whoa the mood in that piece is awesome. I really love it. Well done. Your stuff is awesome.

Blackhawk - Wow those head studies are awesome!!!!! They look great. I mean there are little problems here and there but wow great stuff. You are improving. You really are. I love your style too. Keep it up.

ilex - I love the emotion in these pieces. They are really good. They are really creepy too which I like. The proportions are a little off...not sure if you did that on purpose though. Great work keep em coming.

retro - I love these two...great stuff man. I really like the painting as well. It has a lot of character and style to it...awesome work man. The expression on the first is great hehe.

Grooveholmes - Keep em coming. Your likeness is very consistant in all your self portraits. You have this huge bullet hole going through your face though sheesh...

ZippZopp - I like your style. Keep em coming bro. You are improving greatly.

Oblio: your stuff has been good lately. Especially that marker one...I can't get over it...wow.

Daarken: you rock...as always...kicking buttisimo

Everyone I missed: You all rock...keep up the great work.

garg

November 11th, 2002, 10:32 PM

Mind Candy Man.. wow! really improved a ton here! I think this might be one of ur best ones yet!
Hexal: nice.. keep working on it.. When you are looking at ur self in the mirror.. try to get the outer corner of your face in first.. and try to see the Highlights, and shadows.. and shade the shadows in relation to everything else.. keep practicing :)
bwiseman: thats amazing :D

MindCandyMan

November 11th, 2002, 11:00 PM

thanks netbox. I tried to edit my post and had a few problems. I hope my feedback to everyone is showing up now. You rock man! Thanks for the encouragement. Keep up the good work. I am going to bed now. Peace.

Alger Langdon

November 11th, 2002, 11:03 PM

bwiseman, jhibbs, ZippZopp, MindCandyMan: Thanx for the kind words.
Here's a quick sketch (20-30min.) I did a while back.

http://home.ix.netcom.com/~olskool1/_uimages/selfsketch3.1.jpg
jhibbs thanx for the advice, I'll try that on my next sketch.

I didn't want to create a new post for this SP. Auugh, I miss my bad hair.....
http://home.ix.netcom.com/~olskool1/_uimages/selfnonfroweb.jpg

jhibbs

November 11th, 2002, 11:34 PM

blackhawk-cool studies, the upper and lower left look good.

bwiseman-nice job, what was the second light source (i usually have the damn monitor)

alger langdon-cool sketch, maybe would look better if the BG was in blue to match the pen (maybe just personal preference :p)

heres mine from today, it was quite a struggle. im posting the steps in the step-by-step thread.
http://www.geocities.com/jhibbs27/6.txt

bwiseman

November 12th, 2002, 12:12 AM

The secondary light source was my window. The SP I did yesterday, the seondary light source was my monitor. My monitor usually seems to get in there some how.

ZippZopp

November 12th, 2002, 12:45 AM

first thing i've ever done in painter....somewhat happy with it....the past few i keep messing something up with the anatomy but i can't figure out what it is, anyone see whats off??

http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/spod1112.JPG

jhibbs: nice lighting on that last one..looks great!

mindcandyman: looking good man, gettin there...each one looks better and better, wish i could say the same for mine. you should try to get some shading in around the eyes, i think it would have a great effect for you.

Hexal: like mindcandyman said...definate improvement on that first one you have there..proportions are getting much better, keep it up

Lionel: i hear ya, some days i can't get anything to come out, no matter what....haven't seen ya posting much though, keep them coming!!

taff: nice one, no crits, but it looks great.

bwiseman: thanks for the email, your last one looks good, the only thing i see is that the ear looks a little bit too big, other than that, nice job

i gotta get some sleep.....nice job everyone

keyth

November 12th, 2002, 01:04 AM

hey guys. just a quick drop before bed. i would like to remind those that may not know...the step by step spod section is getting some entries. for those that may seek help, guidance, or just feel a subtle curiosity...go check it out. it may provide some answers. if not, well...it's always interesting to see how people work. also, for those willing, drop a step by step in. also, if any of the pros read this please....C&C to provide some insight from the higher grounds:p . i'll see you guys tomorrow with some responses.

K E E P 'E M C O M 'N!!!!!!!!!!!!:chug:

ilex

November 12th, 2002, 02:05 AM

http://www.botticeli.com/spod/11.11.02.JPG

starting to feel a little more comfy with painter. the step by step thread helped me with setting the base colors, too. i think im incapable of drawing a realistic portrait, though. i m still having a hard time with not being able to touch the drawing and scratch it and scrape it and attack it but im trying to learn how to do that with the brushes....slowly.

i'd comment on individual work but i don't feel i know the program or the artists well enough to do that...but everyone's work continues to inspire me...

Blackhawk

November 12th, 2002, 03:40 AM

I did this tonight. About 10 minutes. I used calligraphy ink and an old painting brush that I really didn't take care of well enough, so it's bristles were really spread and stiff. It came out skewed from my sitting angle, I may need to stand up or prop my sketchbook somehow. I ran into the same problem last night with one of my head studies. It looked fine from my sitting angle until I saw it head on and the damn head was skewed. This was a lot of fun though.

I have one question for anyone that uses inks frequently though. This stuff really warped up the page I painted it onto. I know El coro and Foster do inkwork in their sketchbooks, but I'm not sure how they prevent extreme warping. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone.

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod55.jpg

EDIT - Second one I did tonight. Turned out better. It's harder for me to control this, but it's quick and a lot of fun. I'm afraid if I tighten up that it'll turn into a line drawing, which I don't want.

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod56.jpg

Cotron - I love the colors in this. Very nice look.

MindCandy - There were a lot of problems here and there :D I wanted to do quick stuff. I figured if I'm going to do horrible proportions on my long pieces, I might as well do some quick studies now as well in order to help flush the crap from my system. Your imrpoving man, great job.

Keyth - Great job man. You have noses nailed, I wish I had that kind of consistency with mine.

Coriat - Good angle, this actually turned out pretty well. Watch out for the nostrils though, one became really large, and be careful of the neck as well. Keep at it up bud.

Bwiseman - Your painting style is SMOOTH. I love every bit of it. The ears are a wee bit large on this though :D Unless of course you purposely went for that. Awesome as always.

Jester - Good job man. A thing that may help with trying to shade by using cross-hatching is to use the hatching to follow the form of the face. It'll help to add more depth to the piece.

Lionel - Good to see you back. This one looks great except the nose seems small compared to the eyes, or are the eyes large compared to the nose and mouth? Hmm, either way, watch out for that spot. Great job bud.

Taff - lol, sweet. I like what you did with this one, great job.

Thenetbox - Red X here :(

Hexal - Your taking baby-steps, but already I'm seeing a bit of improvement. Keep an eye on proportions though, really study your features and the placement intensely. Relate and measure all of your features. Keep at it bud.

Alger - I really like these SP's, as well as the one you did a day or two ago. Very nice work.

Jhibbs - Thanks man. I'm glad I could inspire you a bit to try the brown sketchbook. It's a real fun paper type to play with, especially when you get white chalk into the mix. Your SP's are improving, eyes seem like they may be too large on some of these, but overall awesome work man. Good to see you posting these again.

Zipp - Your nose and mouth positioning may be throwing you off. Your mouth is shaped like it would be on a straight forward view. When you do the 3/4, be careful of how the mouth looks. It can really throw a SP off. I know, I screw up on my mouths quite a bit still and it can turn a good SP into a bad one in a few strokes :D Overall, just be careful of proportions, seems like the nose may be too large, so just be careful of that. Keep it up man.

Ilex - Great stylistic portrait. If you want to do something more realistic, it just takes practice, practice, practice, and more practice :D A lot of practice, do a lot of life studies, value studies, etc. It'll all eventually come to you. Good job.

Have a great Tuesday everyone.

Grooveholmes

November 12th, 2002, 05:38 AM

Blackhawk.. I think El Coro said he uses the tria inks and dilutes them with alcohol. the alcohol apparently keeps the warping to a minimum.

Alger.. Great stuff man.

Bwiseman... Your colors give a tremendous effect.

Well.. here's tonights offerring...
http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_11_02b/images/index.jpg

.:RAPUNZEL:.

November 12th, 2002, 06:15 AM

long time no post. i feel bad, some friends visted me. 3 days party, and old storys.

today, i have time to paint- but i only produce trash. the proportions seem off, changing light (clouds- working with daylight),..... :mad:

and my old big problem: the gap between my digital and my "real pencil" works... :mad:

hopefully tomorrow things will came out better. will comment later- im in the office...

baba
Rapunzel

http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/damanu8.jpg

http://reinher.bei.t-online.de/damanu9.jpg

MindCandyMan

November 12th, 2002, 07:49 AM

This was a self portrait from this past weekend that I did in like 15 minutes at my parents' house in their bathroom mirror.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/drawing%2054%20pencil%20sketch%20sp.jpg

miasmak

November 12th, 2002, 11:05 AM

wow I leave you spodders alone for a few days and I have ELEVEN pages to catch up to. I am too overwhelmed to comment. Welcome to all Noobs.

Here are my contributions in sequence, for what they are worth, lots of proportion problems, done in an A5 sketch book using HB, 2B, 4B, 8B pencils.
I tried both the start with the features first and start with the head shape first aproach
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s1.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s2.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s3.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s4.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s5.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s6.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s7.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s8.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s9.jpg
http://www.jsim.com/cg/analog/s10.jpg

MindCandyMan

November 12th, 2002, 11:10 AM

Nice work miasmak...thought you left hehe...It's great to see you working in pencil. I think these are a significant growing step in your process. I can see massive improvement in these. Especially with the ones that are shaded fully. Great work. I can see constant improvement. You are moving more and more toward your likeness. It's so hard to capture an exact likeness isn't it...sheesh...I guess I wouldn't know how hard that is though cause I haven't been able to capture my exact likeness yet hehe. Great work...keep em coming.

jester

November 12th, 2002, 12:22 PM

http://www.jester.de/gallery/sketch/spod-035.JPG

Done on rather smooth chamois paper from Staples. Sorry, no comments again, am in a hurry to meet a friend and spent too much time on this one (occasionally I've GOT a social life ;) )

Jester

daarken

November 12th, 2002, 12:30 PM

thanks everyone for all your support and encouragement! haha keyth, yes i am being a weiner. thank you for pointing that out! i never saw your first sps, and there were some really amazing ones back then! great job!! not that you dont do amazing ones now...you understand what i mean! hah. i shall push past my weiner stage.

thenetbox: cool portrait. i would just suggest that you pay closer attention to your nose, and the nostril and wing.

hexal: really watch your proportions. take the time to measure the distances and lengths of things. good start.

alger: wow, the second one is really awesome. great mood and atmosphere. this image really tells a lot. looking foward to your next one.

jhibbs: nice progress. haha, i think you are the only person that puts eye lashes on their sp. good job!

zipp: good start, but i dont know about the thick paint on your brow. it doesnt speak the same language as the rest of your painting.

blackhawk: wow wow wow! haha. these are great! i think these are my fav from you ever. there is so much movement and energy in the brush strokes. i think you did a beautiful job capturing your essence. DO MORE!

rap: just be sure to look at your eyes, they tend to look a little flat.

mind: more great progress! one suggestion if i may, try not to make the intensity of the line on your upper lip the same as where your mouth opens, it will always be lighter.

mia: wow, you can really see your progress just through these last few sps. keep it up.

ok, simple one last night and today. daarkens got the laser eye, awwww yeah.

11-11
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-12.jpg
11-12
http://www.daarken.com/newnav/sod/11-12b.jpg

Matt-p

November 12th, 2002, 01:11 PM

traditionnal drawing, not digital...
comments&critics are welcome

http://membres.lycos.fr/xxmattxx/new/AP-001L.jpg

...what i want?

keyth

November 12th, 2002, 01:16 PM

i gotta stick with this page for responses. otherwise i'd be writing for hours.

alger: nice work. it's cool to see two totally different images executed well. welcome!! hope to see more.

jhibbs: what's up man? thanks for posting in the step by step. looks great. keep'em com'n!!!!

Zippiddy Zoppy zop: hey man. welcome!!! it's great to see another one experimenting w/painter. as far as anatomy goes. watch that nose. it may be a bit big. check your forehead as well. a lot of people don't realize how big our foreheads are. also try to experiment with painting/drawing the shapes around your features such as the eyes and mouth. if you define the shapes around these areas instead of drawing these areas...they will magically appear out of nowhere. keep posting in here though....no matter what.

ilex: welcome aboard. it doesn't matter if you know the artists here enough to comment on. just comment away. keep pushing at painter and i'm glad the step by step helped some. can't wait to see more.

blackhawk: hey what's up man. i really like the fact that you are keeping the analog stuff going. i really need to break out of my digispods. i like these a lot. great brush strokes. it's cool what kind of personality you can get from a crappy old brush. keep'em com'n.

grovv'nhomes: what's up? i don't know if it's been answered before but what's that circle thing on each of your spods? i like your drawings. they always seem to have a floating sensation to them for some reason.

rapunzzzz: nice painting. you seem to have eyes that can see a lot of stuff in your face. if i could say anything critique-like...it would be towards the eyes. there seems to be that drawn look all around them. defining the areas around them can give the eyes a more rrealistic look. keep em com'n!!

mindcandy: thanks for your reply about the big belly dude. i'm very glad that that got you drawing one of your own. i would love to see some of those shading techniques in some of your next spods. one thing you can try is laying down some strokes on your self-portrait and then smudging with your finger or with a cloth in the same direction you see on your face. that can produce a solid grey area. then slowly build up some shapes.

mia: hey girl!! jeez. look at all that!!! been busy eh?? six and seven are my favorites. keep it up, up, up!!!

jester: how have you been? socail life. what's that? just kidding. nice drawing. the hair is the strongest point on this one. but remember that contrast in the face. keep 'em com'n!!!!!!!!!!!

daarken: ha ha. glad you are laughing at the weiner remark. you know it's just for fun....i know how it goes though. i get like that too. then sometimes i catch myself and say "keyth, you weinie!! what are you thinking?" nice stuff as always. keep at man!!!

great job everyone.

today's

http://members.fortunecity.com/keyth/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nov12spwebcon.jpg

Nold

November 12th, 2002, 03:37 PM

Sorry for not posting such a long time. The job keeps me busy. At least I've managed to do some SPs the last days. Here they are....

10.11.: Done in pencil. The right eye has a dark ring because I tried to fix the shape.
http://www.nhoch2.de/images/spod/20021110SP1.jpg

11.11: Both in painter. I don't really like them.

http://www.nhoch2.de/images/spod/20021111SP1.jpg

http://www.nhoch2.de/images/spod/20021111SP2.jpg

12.11.: Done in painter. This one is quite nice. Will try to do something like this in color.

http://www.nhoch2.de/images/spod/20021112SP1.jpg

Sorry, no time for more. I will add some comments tomorrow.

Oblio

November 12th, 2002, 04:15 PM

I just had a horrible day. And after having to deal with a lot of idiots i've screwed a phone interview. Let's hope they'll call again tomorow... i can't even remember what i've said to that guy. :barf:

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/11nov.jpg
Koh_i_nor hardmuth sepia dark pencil. Then some photoshop correction without reference
I'm gonna say it once: YOU DON'T WANT ME MAD!

http://members.fortunecity.com/afantana/12nov.jpg
Palette Knife - what a crappy tool - it burned my brain! (but i didn't give up)
I will not comment on you guys since I am set on saying horrible things and you have all done great. I'll go sleep now. Tomorow is another day...

Oblio :cry:

Grooveholmes

November 12th, 2002, 04:24 PM

Keyth~ Ha ha whats up man.. That circle is actually the center ring of a cd i have to use to acquire my reflection since my broke ass can't get a mirror right now. I take it from your drawing that you're feeling less under the weather? heh heh

Jester~ That portrait turned out pretty good. New haircut?

Matt-p~ Pretty good, i like that one. I'm considering doing a few of these the traditional way too.. Got some oilpaint calling my name.

Ilex~ The broken hand looks painfull.. hopefully that's not the one your trying to draw with?

Alger Langdon

November 12th, 2002, 06:18 PM

Thanx for the praise all those who commented on my work. You guys are motivating me. I like to comment on more of the work, but i dont have alot of time with the whole school thang. I was able to do this SP 'cause my first class was cancelled. This about 2 hours work.

Grooveholmes (kool idea using the cd reflection).

Blackhawk (nice ink work, very expressive).

daarken (here's one for you).

http://home.ix.netcom.com/~olskool1/_uimages/selfnonfro3-copy.jpg

bwiseman

November 12th, 2002, 06:24 PM

Hey guys! This is me trying to be cool...all I need is a cigarette and I'm James Dean.

http://www.brettwiseman.com/Paintings/self%20portrait%20nov%2012.jpg

daarken: Thats awesome...you have paid homage to Arnold himself. The drawing is nice and simple. Theres just enough information for us to understand it...very good.

zippzopp: I think you need to work on trying to understand the bone structure a bit more. The next painting you do try using one light source, say right above your head and position it so that the light hits only the cheek bones, nose, and brow. I think that that will definately help. Otherwise, keep experimenting!!

Alger Langdon: Stunning!!! Your second one is just beautiful!

keyth: God damn that freaked me out when it loaded...shit yo!

Everyone else: Keep up the good work, everything is looking great.

Grooveholmes

November 12th, 2002, 07:18 PM

Whoa! Page 12 is definately starting out well!

taff

November 12th, 2002, 08:37 PM

commenting spree - wheeee!

thenetbox - thanks. Love your last portrait, if I am not mistaken it's quite an improvement!
mindcandyman - cool. yeah, not only the eyes are skewed in that one. hehe. how about starting to add more values to your portraits, or variating the pose a little? keep it up, you're improving!
alger langdon - wow, your portrait are keeping me speechless. the painted ones are outstanding!
blackhawk - I really like the two portraits done in ink, fast, lively and emotional - the first one's a little skewed, but i really do like the second one.
jihibbs - emphasized eyelashes, hehe. thanks for sharing your method with us in the step by step.
grooveholmes - did you paint that one upside-down? looks good.
daarken - wow, the laser-eye got style and stare!
matt - welcome, nice portrait
keyth - scary, reeeeally scary. I love the eyes in that one!
bwiseman - wow, another wonderful portrait, again breathtaking!
oblio - yeah. Just love it, to see your portraits everyday. I still remeber your beginnings, and now, look how far you've come, awesome!
nold - wb, I like the first one, the most!
zippzopp - welcome!
ilex - heads up, don't be scared of your painting. you're working digital, you've got strg+z. sometimes I miss that combination when working on paper! hehe. keep it up, improvements come over time, and i want to see more.

http://www.tough-illustrations.com/spod/spod131102.jpg
Today's - I wanted to put a little more work into today's portrait and ended up spending more than one hour of work just for the lines. I think I will start shading it tomorrow, since I don't want to leave it as unfinished as it is. Got to go.

(:

daarken

November 12th, 2002, 08:43 PM

keyth: all i have to say is that your last sp made me shit my pants.

bwiseman: dude! that is so awesome! i love the colors and the feel. the shirt really feels soft. totally kikass

alger: haha, one for me!? you shouldnt have. heh. this is another great piece from you. nice lighting and mood. i think the background is really cool and adds a hint of mystery to the piece.

taff: great line work!

oblio: man, you are an unstoppable gangsta!

ZippZopp

November 12th, 2002, 09:41 PM

gave this technique a try, android used it in one of his portraits a few days ago....i'm still kinda feelin like i'm in a slump, these haven't been coming out terribly good. but here it is

http://www2.trincoll.edu/~czoppi/drawings/spod1113.jpg

taff: that new one is looking pretty cool, i like the simpliciity of it...would love to see it colored!

bwiseman: yet another good one....you're so consistent with your portraits, they look fantastic, also thanks for the tip, i'll keep working on it

alger: that recent one is sweeeeeet! i really like the lighting

keyth: thanks for the kind words...your portrait is awesome, i think it would look great fully rendered. as for anatomy on my portraits....i think i gotta keep an eye out for the forehead...generally speaking i have quite the nose...a good sized one! hahaha

Matt p; good drawing, anatomy looks good ,and the pencil storkes look nice, works well for that drawing

daarken: those two are great..the first simple one has a nice expression, the second one looks great with those colors. i know the texture on the forehead of my last one is off, i was experimenting with one type of brush halfway thru the painting and after erasing, thats what was left.....

blackhawk: looking good, no crits, they look awesome. thanks for the tip on the mouth in my portrait, after you said it, i looked at it and realized that was the problem. thanks!

mindcandyman; good job, they are coming along. they are quite consistent, just keep working up from there!

thanks everyone for the comments, tips and help

cheers!

keyth

November 12th, 2002, 09:44 PM

all i have to say is that your last sp made me shit my pants

mission accomplished.:p

garg

November 12th, 2002, 10:08 PM

Heeeello :)

http://www.thenetbox.com/blah/nov12.jpg

mumble mumble.. I didn't have a mirror today :( I saw my reflection in my monitor.. heheh.. then after I realized that I couldn't really work like that I just took over and doodled on it my self.. umm.. I need my mirror back! :d but i enjoyed doing this one a lot..

ZippZopp: Nice shading. The Proportions seem not so right though.. keep practicing.. keep it up :)
Taff: Impressive SP! thanks for the comment :)
bwiseman: eek! woah.. awesome!! :eek:
Alger Langdon: :eek: thats amazing work.. wow..
Oblio: Awesome work again.. :)
Nold: I really like the first one and the fourth one :)
keyth: yikes.. hehe niice :)
Matt-p: wow! great work..
daarken: Thanks... I will do that :) I'll have my mirror back tomorrow.. yay.. and then i'll pay attention to that.. you've awesome work yet again..
Jester: I like this one.. I just think you aren't shading your nose as much as you should.. overall its a big improvement.. :D
miasmak: I really like that... great shading on some of those
Rapunzel: nice work.. for the line work I've looked at Andrews work carefully and saw where and how he puts his lines.. that really helped me figure out the shape of the head..
Grooveholmes: interesting :)
Blackhawk: yea.. for somereason myy server froze.. a quick reboot fixed it :) .. greeeeat work.. I've never tried inking.. I want to though..

keep it up everyone :) byee

Hexal

November 12th, 2002, 10:11 PM

Sorry to have to ruin the 12th page for you Grooveholmes.:(
Not very good at all today, last one makes me look like im fat(which im not) I think its the mirror i use cause its on the groud in may hall way on tiles so its not a graeat place to sit for a while, im going to see if i can get a samller mirror for my room so i can do them here and try painter(classic).

Nov 12
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port16.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port17.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port18.jpg

@Daarken - I do but im not very good at them yet so they always look really off.

@BlackHawk - Yes it is very slow and im kind of concerend about it because i have to apply for collage next year and I really want to get into art so i can do computer animation after. That mostly why i do atleast two day, Three today.

bwiseman

November 12th, 2002, 11:59 PM

zippzopp: wow thats great! Definately progress from the previous stuff. I think the strong light source really helped a lot. Try some more like that, or similar!!

jhibbs

November 13th, 2002, 01:30 AM

taff-i think it looks great as just lines

keyth-thanx, and thats very disturbing

bwiseman-great expression and colors

heres tonights, another struggle. not doing so well lately, always some small proportional thing that gets me aggravated. theres also a step-by-step of this one for those of you keeping with that thread
http://www.geocities.com/jhibbs27/7.txt

retro002

November 13th, 2002, 02:11 AM

first one seems quite similar to what i actually look like.

http://free.pages.at/retro002/portrait_selbst091.jpg

http://free.pages.at/retro002/portrait_selbst092.jpg

@daarken: wow, the first one is really cool, the strokes for sure look very sure

@taff: i like that last piece, fluid lines. you like schiele quite a bit, dont you ? :)

@matt-p: i like that style. the nose seems a bit too small. i prefer traditional renderings, so dont be afraid to post non-digital work.

@keyth: you really start scaring me. first those frightening plague pieces, now that - you sure nobody put lsd in your beer on halloween ...?! :beer: -lol-

ilex

November 13th, 2002, 02:22 AM

sometimes i feel like it would be easier if i were a cubicle worker doing a job where i didn't have to think or feel. some days i hate art so much that i just want to crawl into a hole and die but im like a junky and creation is my drug and no matter how angry it makes me or how difficult it makes my life i can't live without it. i didn't want to do my spod tonight but i couldn't help it and ...as usual... in the end im glad i did it.
this is inspired by some figure drawings i've been doing...

http://www.botticeli.com/spod/11.12.02.JPG

thanks to those who've replied to my posts..your encouragement and criticisms make me want to do better..
alger: wow. i love the handling of foreground vs background. i feel like i could really climb through it.
taff: love what you've got done so far..the fingers are beautiful..can't wait to see the finished product...
hexal: i see you're working on your shading and it seems like you could use more variation in your lights and darks...more contrast maybe..i think i remember seeing you post a lot and i think your hard work will really pay off!
ack i wish i could keep commenting but i have to go to zzZZz

Blackhawk

November 13th, 2002, 04:49 AM

Keeping with my traditional trend, I did a charcoal piece tonight. Used extra-soft vine charcoal on 11x17 charcoal paper. Tones came out too smooth for my taste, but I shouldn't expect much else from X-soft vine. Turned out pretty well otherwise I thought. Took me about an hour.

http://members.cox.net/spagina/spod/spod57.jpg

I want to do one more tonight, but I'm passing out. Tomorrow night is going to be a full art night for me, no hockey, no lifting, nothing, just drawing. So hopefully I can crank out acouple good SP's tomorrow night. Sorry I can't comment tonight, I'm closing out as I type this. I'm glad a lot of you enjoyed the ink ones I did. I'm going to be doing many more of those, it's turning into my favorite medium. Plus I want to grab one of those ink/brush pens. It's going to be fun learning something completely new from the dry media.

Excellent work everyone, keep it up. I'll comment tomorrow night. Have a great Wednesday.

jester

November 13th, 2002, 05:11 AM

I'll post my spod later this day, for now...

back to normal service... ;)

@jhibbs - yes, it shows that yesterday's was quite a struggle. The nose/mouth area looks rather warped. The right eye is wonderful, though. In today's I really like how you set the light. Again a nose-tip that looks off somehow.

@ZippZopp - first portraits in painter are heaven and hell, aren't they? The mouth looks like seen from the front while the rest ist 3/4 view - probably that's why you think the anatomy is off?

@ilex - I love the style and bold color use of your portrait. Don't hesitate to criticise - I struggle with anatomy myself but this doesn't mean that I can't spot a mistake I see on someone else's portrait. I really like today's showing all your doubts but still being a wonderful piece of art, wish I could get so much expression with just a few seemingly random lines.

@Blackhawk - those two ink and brush portraits look very lively and relaxed. I agree with you that they'd loose their charme when you try to tighten them. As for ink warping sketchbook paper - I don't have that problem with mine but this might be because I never use books with thin paper. But this doesn't mean that the page stays straight as bristol board, when working with watercolors or inks there remain bumpy areas on the paper, I just don't mind... BTW I "know" that cross-hatching looks better when it follows the forms, I just keep forgetting this when working on a drawing - so thanks very much for reminding me, perhaps one day this really sinks into my little brain.

@Grooveholmes - now don't tell me that the reflection was really 180 degree turned... ;) I don't have a new haircut but rather need one soon :D

@MindCandyMan - yeah, you're really getting there. Perhaps you should try not to use crosshatching but real pencil shading for once. BTW: I showed your progress to a friend of mine yesterday (she also wants to learn to draw) to encourage her that it is possible to improve over a relatively short period of time - she was amazed!

@miasmak - really good works, perhaps you should try to work a bit larger (say A4) to allow for broader strokes.

@daarken - I don't know which one I like better, the manga-stylish simple one of the one with your laser eye.

@matt-p - welcome and... very nice!

@keyth - oh, a belated Halloween one, eh? ;) Or did I surprise you that much with my social life remark?

@Oblio - regarding those job interviews: relax and the more you are yourself the more you'll convice them. I used to employ people two, so I know both sides. Your portraits are really nice.

@Alger Langdon - welcome and wow!

@bwiseman - yep, that's James. :clap1:

@taff - looks interesting the way it it. However, I'm really looking forward to seeing the shaded version.

@thenetbox - haunting! Thanks for that nose-shading tip!

@Hexal - try less but better observed portraits. Take your time. Watch the shapes of your face really long before setting that pencil on paper.

@retro002 - I find those eyeless one very disturbing. When I try this my drawings just look unfinished.

All the others - I'd like to see more! :)

Jester

cotron

November 13th, 2002, 06:05 AM

http://ramsites.net/~milescm/sketches/sp/1112.jpg

up too late thinking of things that make me angry....couldnt sleep til i got it out of my system...now the sun's up and I feel much better about returning to sleep. markers/color pencils scribbling.

blackhawk, nice one

everyone else is awesome too. i'm too tired to think

Grooveholmes

November 13th, 2002, 06:21 AM

http://www.joshball.com/forums/conceptart/sp11_12_02/images/index.jpg
:o

MindCandyMan

November 13th, 2002, 08:21 AM

Everyone is kicking booty!!!!

Ok everyone was telling me to do shading and get some values on my next self portrait. I was scared to do it honestly because I have no idea what I am doing. But I tried it anyways. Kept my pencil sharp and did this last night. It has loads of problems but I learned through it. I want to do more involved shading like this...this was really fun. At any rate...here it is with some close ups of the shading. This is the first time I have really tried to shade anything so give me lots of criticism...I don't want to form bad habits! I didn't finish it all the way out because it was late and also because it started to stray from my likeness so I didn't want to go way hours into the night working on something that would end up resembling me but not looking like me.

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 55 Pencil shaded sp.jpg

Close ups

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 55 Pencil sp eye closeup.jpg

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/Drawing 55 Pencil sp nose closeup.jpg

Grooveholmes - Wow this one is freaky. I love the subtle white outline.

cotron - I like this one. Really portrays anger. I know exactly how you feel. I have felt like that...I don't usually get very angry but when I do it's hard for me to get it out of my system. Good work.

Jester - Hey bro...thanks for the kind words I appreciate it man. I actually broke down and tried shading for the first time tonight hehe. Tell your friend to look at my most recent self portrait and then let her look at this one...which was the first one I ever did:

http://www.phantomarts.co.uk/freeimagehosting/First ever self portrait.jpg

...my self portraits aren't great now by any means but I feel I have improved at least at little in the 8 weeks that I have been drawing (Nov. 15th wiill be two months). Just tell her to set her mind to it and commit and don't look back. Thanks bro.

Blackhawk - I love your charcoal pieces. They look really awesome. I like the softness that you create...really nice. You are right...those ink/brush pen ones were really cool. Especially the second one. Great stuff bro keep em coming. I get a lot of enjoyment looking at your stuff.

ilex - Great work on this one. I really like it a lot. The emotion is readily visible. Last night I didn't feel like doing my self portrait either I was really tired. And I go to work every day and work like a drone in a cubicle. But art is an outlet for me...just like you are saying. Stay strong bro...keep creating...and like you said...if it's in your blood you can't help but do it anyways.

retro - These are really good. It's funny you mention the first one looking like you because I was going to say that this was the best "proportionally, etc..." that I have seen of yours...imo. Great stuff man keep em coming I like your style.

jhibbs - You have a really good understanding of lighting. I always see really good lighting results in your self portraits. Great work man. Nice to see your process in the step by step thread as well. Love your stuff.

Hexal - Don't talk about ruining the page!!!!! You are just as welcome here as anyone. Pursuing art is the fun part. No one ever really arrives...and there is always someone better. You belong here...and in this thread. Keep pushing and you will get better. It's inevitable. I think one thing that would help is if you look at Andrew Loomis' book online called drawing the head and the hands. You can look at it here. http://www.gfxartist.com/features/tutorials Take a look there and print out the section where it tells you how to draw a head an practice doing that before you do your self portraits. Getting the structure of the skull will help your self portraits. Good work man keep it up.

the net box- I really like this one. Looks really creepy and it's very moody. That's pretty good doing that from memory as well. Keep up the good work. Love the red eyes.

zippzopp - I like this one. I know what portrait you are talking about. You emulated the style well. The whites under the eyes seem a little too strong. Keep up the good work.

taff - I love this one. Really cool. I like how you left the eyes hollow as well. Makes it really menacing...not sure if you did that on purpose but it looks cool. Yeah I tried shading tonight...I was scared to do it cause I never have done it before so this was my first attempt. I need to shift my mirror to get a different position as well.

bwiseman - heheeh this is awesome. I love the rendering of the shirt. Looks wonderful man great job.

Alger Langdon - Your stuff totally rocks. It's awesome. I am becoming a big fan.

Oblio - That hat looks good on you! You almost look like a detective. I can't get the palette knife either...not sure how people use it...great work bro. Glad to see you back in the rhythym.

Nold - Good stuff man...the expression in the blue one is really good. Captured it well. Is your hair pulled back in the first 3 pictures or did you get it cut?! That would be a drastic haircut wow!

Everyone else you guys rock...everyone is awesome. Sorry I only will respond to this page cause I am at work and can't take all day heheh.

keyth

November 13th, 2002, 09:21 AM

hey mindcandy. your progression reminds me of the great oblio. keep at it. for your first rendering you have done a great job. next time, look at your face some more, take out a kneaded eraser, and pull out some highlights with it. look for those brigter areas and smack that eraser on them.

an amazing difference from your first. keep it up!!!!!!

MindCandyMan

November 13th, 2002, 10:08 AM

Cool thanks for the tip keyth. I will do that next time. Gotta love the kneaded eraser hehe. Hey is it normal to go through like 1/4th of a pencil on a drawing like this? I had to resharpen like 50 times and also what do you use to sharpen your pencils keyth...some people say a knife but I don't see how you could get a really fine point doing that...would take forever. Also do you always use a mirror or do you use a digital camera to do your portraits? Thanks,

Blackhawk

November 13th, 2002, 01:05 PM

I'm going to comment on everyone elses later, but I just wanted to say to Mia, Oblio, and MindCandy...

Wow, great job you three. It's awesome to see such progression.

Mia - You did a great job with that batch, I can definitely see your improvement. It's awesome to see.

Oblio - Great job man, you've been cranking out some great SP's the last few days. Keep it up man.

MindCandy - Wow man. I remember your first couple pieces from Journey of a Rookie or whatever you called your first posts :D This is a giant leap, your definitely improving man.

Tonight's my art night, I can't wait to get off school. See you all tonight.

Hexal

November 13th, 2002, 02:30 PM

Two I did in art class today and were doing more in the next couple days so ill bedoing like five a day or something like that. Ill post the ones i do at home later when i do them.
NOV 13
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port19.jpg

http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/port20.jpg

Oblio

November 13th, 2002, 03:43 PM

they didn't called back.
Also fortunecity isn't working anymore.. what teh hell is going on?
Comments:
First - thank you for the kind words. I'm sorry i couldn't comment on you back then bu I wasn't in my best mood.
As for the job (Jester) - i wish i could act like myself but you're not quite yourself when you ae talking about a major job payed 6 times over your last (it was in germany - we could become neighbours :D)

Hexal - oh friend (may i call you that?) please put more work on them - you make 2 or 3 each day - put that work into ONE.
I know it's hard in the begining and you feel like moving to something else. Reworking your stuff will impreove you so much. (Jason advice!!! :D)
So... have a look on the schoolyard thread where Jon Foster (if you don;t know this guy.. i suggest to start with his site :p) gives some tips on how to start a sp!
Then place work your proportions. You have to work the frorm - i want to see that note as a 3D thing in front of your face, your eyes back.. etc. Try a geometric attempt. Low poly... your efforts are stunning... you'll be advancing very fast soon. Just try to focus on an objective. For start.. proportions, and form. Ok? I'm watching you now.. :D

Mindcandy - WOW. Brother... you are comming out nicely... still scared by the mencil... right? Do more of these. Sharpening the pencils is killing you? Take revenge on the paper - try a more powerfull approach... ;)

BlackH - i've promissed a chacoal one right? I haven't forgot... it's just a matter of TIME!!! Yours are suer cool though. :bow:

Retro - you keep rocking... :eek:

Here... my first try in OpenCanvas (unfinished though)
Oblio