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CatConvention
March 26th, 2009, 02:54 PM
I feel bad for doing it but damn paper and other material are getting so expensive.
Maybe a sketchbook here or there. Or like pencils. Not a easel or anything.
Does anyone think art materials are getting a bit expensive. Are there any quality cheap materials out there.
especially paper.
i'm a Kleptomaniac!!

Not Pink
March 26th, 2009, 03:35 PM
heh, when I was going to art school, our art supply rooms weren't well kept. usually a "can I go get some masking tape?" turned into pocketed india ink, nibs, erasers, acrylics. now, I didn't steal all of that stuff just because I could, I'd only take like one-three things a month and only if I needed it, it's still not right, but I'm not a klepto (just a opportunist).

just start getting the 10 dollar sketchbooks from walmart to cut down on those things. usually price is dependent on quality, but you can find good deals around.

I shop at Jerry's Artarama (http://www.jerrysartarama.com/). it usually is a shit-ton cheaper than anywhere else... *cough*pearl*cough*

Craig D
March 26th, 2009, 03:36 PM
i'm a Kleptomaniac!!

You're a jerk.

dumpling
March 26th, 2009, 03:44 PM
If you're so desperate then buy a pack of printer paper. That stuff is cheaper than air.

sketchfreak
March 26th, 2009, 03:49 PM
When you say "I steal my art supplies", I thought you steal Cintiq!

When you say "so expensive", I thought you need something like this!?

Opilione
March 26th, 2009, 04:07 PM
With the exception of cartridges and sketch pads and specific things like charcol and paints, I nick pretty much all of my supplies from the stationary cupboard at work.

It's not stealing if you work for the government. ;)

Aphotic Phoenix
March 26th, 2009, 04:18 PM
o_O

Why the hell would I need to steal art supplies? People give away free ballpoint pens and pencils with logos on them, the backside of most cardboard packaging (i.e. cereal boxes, etc) provide a perfectly good drawing surface, and it's not that damn hard to scrounge up the spare change required for a knead eraser or manual pencil sharpener.

In a few hours of baby sitting, tutoring, drawing somebody's RPG character you could easily earn the money for a new sketchpad. Or, as Burl pointed out, an entire pack of printer paper. You don't NEED "nice" art supplies to create art, you just WANT them.

Artists are supposed to be creative...so start thinking creatively on how to EARN supplies instead of making other people pay for your laziness.

sketchfreak
March 26th, 2009, 04:49 PM
Artists are supposed to be creative...So make your own tools!

pencil... burn some wood and make charcoal, you can burn tip of the wood to act like pencil!
paper... draw on cardboard, wall, cigarette box, anatomy books, bible, calendar or anything you have!
brush... paint with your fingers, sponge, tissue paper, your hair!!
color... use natural fruits (like pomegranate, blackberry) and olive-oil to make your own!

You can make your own weed too!

You can make pencil by piece of newspaper ... just roll it like joint and press it so hard, then use cutter to make nib ... or use some charcoal to make nib ... I make this for shading!

Line
March 26th, 2009, 04:53 PM
I thought everybody drew on printer paper, hell I even make art for clients on printer paper.

But also, if your gonna steal something, why do it for something cheap? Stealing for something you could afford just to spare yourself the extra buck isn't worth the risk and guilt. Next time do it for something expensive. At least make it worth the steal hehe.

Of course I'm joking, I don't encourage stealing, just in case anyone was getting any ideas...:)

Arshes Nei
March 26th, 2009, 05:16 PM
I honestly feel we're hitting this territory: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item2#faq_new_faq_item3

It may not be sofware, but stealing is stealing :/

CatConvention
March 26th, 2009, 05:43 PM
I don't really think we are. I'm not telling anyone where to steal or that they should. It's actually the other way. I'm asking for alternatives.

dumpling
March 26th, 2009, 05:50 PM
I'm asking for alternatives.

A job?

Or ask your parents for it. You seem to have a nice haircut and clothes from your myspace pictures, so you don't strike me as being so poor you can't afford a pack of 12p pencils and printer paper...

Hyskoa
March 26th, 2009, 06:04 PM
I don't really think we are. I'm not telling anyone where to steal or that they should. It's actually the other way. I'm asking for alternatives.

Sell your computer, it will have two benefits.
1) Less pointless attentionwhoring on facespace or mybook.
2) Money for art supplies.

Everybody wins.

Aphotic Phoenix
March 26th, 2009, 06:22 PM
Being "broke" is not an excuse to steal... a few years ago I had to live on a cup of rice a day and eggs for almost a month because I couldn't afford anything else to eat, and even then I didn't steal, and the art I did was limited to drawing with what I had. If your priority is art, then you'll give up some "creature comforts" for it... drink water out of the tap, don't go out to eat, don't buy new clothes, find activities that are practically free, etc

Grief
March 26th, 2009, 06:25 PM
maybe the cost of sketchbooks wouldn't be as high if people would stop stealing them...

aedman
March 26th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Part of it is just accepting that sacrifice is a part of the game. Artists have to sacrifice leisure time to do studies and work on improving, and in the same sense they often have to cut back on extra expenses like dining out, going to the movies, buying the latest game, in favor of supplies- with the purpose of turning an initial investment of supplies into a larger financial gain by creating compelling work that people want to pay for (hopefully more than the cost of supplies). It's not an arrangement that's going to happen right away, or often. Turning relatively inexpensive supplies into more valuable works of art, selling them or doing commissioned work, then rolling some of that profit back into funds for materials is part of the artist's hustle, and in my opinion is part of the fun.

And yeah, it hurts a bit to lay down the cash for an expensive piece of software or some good quality brushes, but it's something one can work up to over time, and at the end of the day it feels good to do it the legit way and conduct business like a professional. In a way it can be an additional motivating force too, it makes one want to work harder and get those jobs or apply to the next call for work to recoup the initial cost.

To quote a great printmaking teacher I had, "It won't always be fun, but it can always be fulfilling."

Baron Impossible
March 26th, 2009, 06:28 PM
Buy two beers less per week
Go on one less bus / car journey per week and walk instead
Don't buy that bottle of Coke, drink a glass of tap water instead
Don't buy fast food
Don't go to cafes
Buy clothes that are 5% cheaper
Don't send pointless texts
Don't buy a mobile phone that costs £4984 and does everything but wipe your ass
Turn the heating down and put a jumper on
Sell stuff on ebay instead of chucking it out
Don't play the lottery
...or any one of a thousand other easy options that will make enough savings to buy you all the paper and pencils you'll ever need

XanaChama
March 26th, 2009, 06:54 PM
You are the only one I know who is like that. Try taking a painting class if you think it is so expensive... I could only imagine what a painter would do to you in that regard (especially those extremely passionate about their craft), but you probably wouldn't want to consider it. Our art director and faculty has a habit of giving away free supplies to those in need and I know they'd be against this, so you'd probably be expelled for it. My Drawing I teacher from MICA warned us about "guarding our supplies", but I'd never felt the need and I leave my supplies unattended all the time... maybe this is what she was referring to, but you'd be a minority to me. If someone runs out of something at our school, we help them. I understand picking up a pencil sharpener or even a portfolio someone left unused from the last semester, but stealing outright is wrong.

There's actually a lady in our Painting class who makes paper with shellac, some type of canvas paper and sells it to us in class for $6.50 for 3 sheets. Cheap if you compare it to canvas and the fact you can modify the composition by cropping if need be. It's a pain for her to do this, but it's at no profit of her own and she may actually be losing money in the process since the paper is rare and is rising in price. A lot of the people there, especially the older artists, are like that because they love Art. Seems like you should think about being more adult.

Jason Rainville
March 26th, 2009, 07:01 PM
I don't think I've ever thrown out a usable piece of paper... ever. Crinkled and dirty ones are recycled, but now I have a huge cache of lined, graph and regular white paper left over from school. More than adequate for sketches if money gets tight.

On top of that all the scraps of vellum and construction paper left over from projects in school are also horded in my huge portfolio case, along with paint, nibs, old brushes.... christ I think I still have some india ink from 9th grade.

Save save save.

alesoun
March 26th, 2009, 07:09 PM
If I do a painting and it doesn't work out, I prime the back of the board/paper and start again. You don't need the best of equipment when you start out; in fact, once you've wrestled with cheap and nasty paints and produced something passable you've probably learned more than you would have using the best brushes, paints and surface.

Instead of stealing from shops, offer to do odd jobs for suppplies.....

XanaChama
March 26th, 2009, 07:16 PM
Buy two beers less per week
Go on one less bus / car journey per week and walk instead
Don't buy that bottle of Coke, drink a glass of tap water instead
Don't buy fast food
Don't go to cafes
Buy clothes that are 5% cheaper
Don't send pointless texts
Don't buy a mobile phone that costs £4984 and does everything but wipe your ass
Turn the heating down and put a jumper on
Sell stuff on ebay instead of chucking it out
Don't play the lottery
...or any one of a thousand other easy options that will make enough savings to buy you all the paper and pencils you'll ever need

Yeah i feel more sorry for those who already do that. But I've met those people and even they can afford a pencil and a sheet of paper :/

VulgarDragon
March 26th, 2009, 07:16 PM
Yeah, traditional drawing and painting isn't that expensive. A regular pencil, ballpoint pen, and printer paper will do...also sometimes the cheap brands of art supplies can be just as good as the more expensive ones. Like I've found that Prang colored pencils are almost as good as the more expensive Prismacolor ones. You can also make your own desk, lightbox, and other tools of trade. And you can shop around at junk stores for old canvases to paint over.

Digital painting and clay sculpting is another matter...the materials are a lot more expensive. I don't think I could crank out quality sculptures with mud dug up from my backyard....lol.

arttorney
March 26th, 2009, 07:22 PM
Galka Scheyer amassed a pretty kickass art collection by trading art supplies to the Blue Four in exchange for some of their artworks. If you find somebody who likes your drawings maybe you can swap one for some supplies bought by them.

Arshes Nei
March 26th, 2009, 07:47 PM
I don't really think we are. I'm not telling anyone where to steal or that they should. It's actually the other way. I'm asking for alternatives.

Yes, but if someone admitted to pirating software even if they're not advocating it, it's a ban. You forget that there are companies that do come here, and even if it's a sketchbook, you could be stealing their brand of sketchbooks. You set a bad example.

Asking for alternatives is like "what are the alternatives when you're hungry" (eating!) "what is an alternative to sleeping" (staying awake)

Please don't play such a mind game here, it's common sense the alternative to stealing is not stealing.

CatConvention
March 26th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Ok People, I know stealing is a bad thing. And Obviously the alternative is Getting a job/not stealing..
I don't steal like crazy, that kleptomaniac comment was a joke.

I do have a job but i'm only 16 i don't make alot of money and the money i do make goes to paying for my car, buying my own food, and saving for college since i will have no help from my parents.

This still is no reason to steal, but i was just stating that i have resorted to stealing because i have no money laying around for art supplies.
The only decent art supply center here is a blick art store and they are really expensive. Plus the drive all the way over there is already expensive.

I know there are other ways to get these things. But to be honest the borders and walmart across the street won't be missing a sketchbook.

But anyways. I will be looking at those materials that you guys suggested. I don't think i have the connections for art swaps just yet.

CatConvention
March 26th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Sell your computer, it will have two benefits.
1) Less pointless attentionwhoring on facespace or mybook.
2) Money for art supplies.

Everybody wins.

ouch.

Blue
March 26th, 2009, 08:34 PM
All of my art supplies i purchased in one large bundle when a local art store was going out of business (two art stores went out of business in my area, so both times i stocked up, i'm pretty set for the next 10 years). I have 20 sketchbooks which are sitting on my shelf waiting for me to get to, and 5 boxes of various pencils and so on. Paint seems to be the one thing I couldn't save on since the employees of the store bought them all out 5 mins before the store opened for its "going out of business sale".

You don't need to steal, you need to be a smart shopper. If you buy one thing full price and steal another, wouldn't you be better off waiting for the 50% off sale and buy them both? Same cost, 100% more legal.

alesoun
March 26th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Cat; I got enough paints to keep me going for three or four months for £5. I think that's about $3. Not the best quality, but good enough. You can get offcuts of plywood from your local DIY store for next to nothing and prime them. It'll cost you pennies at most.

Get caught stealing and you'll get a criminal record and a bad reputation that you'll wish you didn't have when you do apply to college or try for a job. Back off now; there are other ways to do this.....

ShroudStar
March 26th, 2009, 08:48 PM
Ok People, I know stealing is a bad thing. And Obviously the alternative is Getting a job/not stealing..
I don't steal like crazy, that kleptomaniac comment was a joke.

I do have a job but i'm only 16 i don't make alot of money and the money i do make goes to paying for my car, buying my own food, and saving for college since i will have no help from my parents.

This still is no reason to steal, but i was just stating that i have resorted to stealing because i have no money laying around for art supplies.
The only decent art supply center here is a blick art store and they are really expensive. Plus the drive all the way over there is already expensive.

I know there are other ways to get these things. But to be honest the borders and walmart across the street won't be missing a sketchbook.

But anyways. I will be looking at those materials that you guys suggested. I don't think i have the connections for art swaps just yet.

Dude, I save pieces of cardboard from mailings that people send. I draw on the back of scrap paper during my lunch break at work when I feel like doing that rather than reading a book. I frigging pull out old receipts and a pen and draw on the back of them while waiting in line. You don't need anything fancy at all to create art. Hell, I'm the kind of person who draws on the tables of Macaroni Grill because they have the paper tabletop covering and crayons. I use a pack of unused printer paper from my college days for my studies.

Most of my money goes towards health insurance, car payments, car insurance, church tithes, and helping out the family. To make that sacrifice in order to purchase my art supplies (sketchbooks mostly - what a surprise), I've stopped mass-ordering CDs and books from Japan. I've cut back on my video games and if I do buy, they're used. I spent my hard-earned dollars on things that will help, like the ImagineFX magazines, graphic novels that pique my interest, and concept art books for video games and movies. I bought the full working copy of Open Canvas, which was a damn good investment.

As for your casual attitude towards Borders and Wal-Mart not missing "a sketchbook", have you heard of inventory? That's several more dollars there that they might have made that would allow them to keep workers paid and their companies running. If everyone thought "it's only a sketchbook - no one's going to miss it", companies everywhere would be losing money because of people unwilling to pay for what they want. You want it - pay for it.

Elwell
March 26th, 2009, 08:54 PM
i'm only 16

Boy are you going to feel stupid in a few years when this thread is still here.

Grendel Grack
March 26th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Constructive comment:

There are plenty of bargains out there, not to mention all of the other helpful suggestions that others have made.


What you really need to hear:

Art suppliers exist to provide artists with the tools they need to work. A lot of them are struggling to make it in this economy and people like you are only adding to the problem. Quit being selfish and immature. Find a way to afford what you want instead of taking it. Don't make up any stupid excuses for your poor behavior. Stealing is stealing, whether you can afford it or not. The company that you are ripping off certainly doesn't make a distinction.

alesoun
March 26th, 2009, 09:03 PM
Boy are you going to feel stupid in a few years when this thread is still here.

Ah, the joys of youth! ;)

Not Pink
March 26th, 2009, 09:21 PM
the best thing is to save up for a tablet pc.

once you buy it, you can just get proficient at digital mediums and never have to worry about paper or tools, that's what I do (although I still carry around a sketchbook that probably gets more use due to less noise and chance of the battery dieing :P)

XanaChama
March 26th, 2009, 09:48 PM
the best thing is to save up for a tablet pc.

once you buy it, you can just get proficient at digital mediums and never have to worry about paper or tools, that's what I do (although I still carry around a sketchbook that probably gets more use due to less noise and chance of the battery dieing :P)

Him or her already has a Wacom I think.

Kilowatt
March 26th, 2009, 11:04 PM
Stop shopping at Urban Outfitters & take your money to Artist & Craftsman (http://www.artistcraftsman.com/), they always have great deals on their stock, especially if you're a student.

The only decent art supply center here is a blick art store and they are really expensive.

Check out all those 50% off coupons on the right side...

Artist & Craftsman (http://www.artistcraftsman.com/)
San Diego, CA
1911 San Diego Ave.
San Diego, CA 92110

chriskot
March 27th, 2009, 01:14 AM
Like a bunch of people have already said, if you REALLY can't afford it then just use cheaper materials. I don't even own any fancy drawing supplies. All of my traditional works are just done in HB pencil, pen, marker, or anything else I already have on hand. They're all drawn on cardboard, printer paper, newspaper, or napkins. It may not be optimal, but it sure as hell doesn't stop me from drawing. Besides, improvising materials is fun! Just yesterday at lunch I started a picture in blue pen on a moist towelette that I had squeezed mostly dry. A few days before that it was highlighter on Kleenex.

In short, if you have something that can make a mark, you have a drawing utensil. If you have something to leave that mark on, you have a canvas. That's all there is to it. Anything better is a luxury.

DSillustration
March 27th, 2009, 01:42 AM
I feel bad for doing it but damn paper and other material are getting so expensive.
Maybe a sketchbook here or there. Or like pencils. Not a easel or anything.
Does anyone think art materials are getting a bit expensive. Are there any quality cheap materials out there.
especially paper.
i'm a Kleptomaniac!!

You can't undo what's been done.
Just stop.

Maybe some day you'll contribute something to some young artist and make up for it.

EightArms
March 27th, 2009, 02:48 AM
Hmm. This thread irritates me.

I worked two jobs, shopped at the Salvation Army, and drew on cheap printer paper forever, rather than steal a damn thing. One of my jobs was at a restaurant so I could eat.

I have no sympathy for thieves or those who condone theft. Too expensive? Then get a damn job and take fewer classes. That's life. Suck it up.

2100
March 27th, 2009, 05:08 AM
just draw on the back of homework paper like everyone else..

barelyrobot
March 27th, 2009, 08:12 AM
try ebay ..its cheap ..but kinda gay :/

Baron Impossible
March 27th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Or just use walls. Banksy did and it worked out for him.

CCThrom
March 27th, 2009, 09:12 AM
Or try the fine art of scrounging... people throw away so much useful stuff. If you work in an office or go to school finding scrap paper is not a problem. I've still got lots of really good quality paper to draw on, scrounged from the throw-aways of the printmaking students.

J Wilson
March 27th, 2009, 09:52 AM
You really don't need fine quality paper as a student. Your local newspaper probably has a ton of newsprint available. Newspapers get printed off huge rolls of paper, and they don't use them down to the very end. The remainder of a roll of newsprint is something they may be willing to just give you. When I was a kid I always had one of those around to draw on. It may take a little asking around to find the right person to ask, but a few emails should do the trick. Make sure you explain you are a student, and it will help.

Check your schools recycle bins. There's nothing disgusting in there, just paper, and man people love to waste paper. You dont have to feel bad about grabbing stuff out of there because using discarded paper is just the same as recycling it.

sketchfreak
March 27th, 2009, 10:54 AM
Many of us, in our early childhood were taught that stealing is WRONG and that you should never keep something without the owner giving it to you.

According to dictionary.com the exact definition of stealing is “to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force.”

There has been an issue that has both caught my attention and impacts the entire school because it sets a tone and mood. Over the course of the year, students have been stealing many things from her classroom. It’s sad to know that we have students who don’t have a moral conscience who only think about themselves and don’t take into consideration the effects that they cause.

By writing this article, hopefully I will get to touch the hearts of those students who have sneaked into their pockets something that isn’t theirs.

I confronted Ms. Kimble on Thursday to ask how she felt about the issue.

Q: When did you start noticing that your materials were missing?
A: About the second week of class.

Q: What things have been missing?
A: Erasers 30, pencils+, blending tools (stubs), props for drawing, 2 clear and glitter balls which were taken from the top of my desk also taken from my desk, 2 erasers shaped like dollar bills, one like a skull and bones, a small sealed red envelope with money in it, drawing pencils, pens, markers, scissors, taken from the drawer of my desk almost an entire box of black markers, one larger ball black with white buttons all over it, taken from my drawing pencil box at least 15 markers that are double sided that cost about $4 each, 3 small model cars, 3 entire sets of markers, plus other assorted markers, a lizard that was a prop which a teacher later returned to me, 7 small pumpkins, 9 small dried corn, bugs (plastic ones), 6 turtles.

Q: How do you feel about this?
A: I am extremely disappointed and sad that my student’s would steal from our class and continue to do so after I have talked to them. There seems to be a general acceptance of the fact that individuals steal and it seems to be ok.

Q: What have you done to prevent it from happening again?
A: I have rearranged the room and do not allow students in certain areas.

Q: Has it worked?
A: Not very well.

Q: Has this ever happened to you at other schools you’ve taught?
A: Yes, occasionally but never to this extent.

Q: How does this affect the rest of the students?
A: I don’t know how much longer I can continue to provide interesting objects, (props) to draw, I spend my own time to purchase items for class. I spend my own money and then I have to wait to get reimbursed which takes quite awhile. So that takes money out of my personal budget. It means that all of my classes will suffer and be without because of a few selfish individuals who have no personal or social conscience...

Q: What’s the message you want to send to the students who took your materials?
A: First that it is wrong to steal which I am sure they know, and second why would you steal from yourself and from people who are trying to help you and who care about you it’s like stealing from your family from your social and school family.

Q: Why do you think students stole your materials?
A: Fist for selfish reasons, only caring about what they want. Because maybe they do not have certain things so they feel entitled to take from others and because of ignorance to the idea that they are hurting themselves and others who care about them. And because we all have to learn that we should develop a social conscience which means for the greater good, to care about yourself as part of a larger community of friends, associates, school mates and people just like you who make up your community that you live in your family and friends, your school, your city ,your state, your country and your planet.

Q: What other alternatives have you worked out?
A: I am in the process now. Hopefully this article will help.

Ms. Kimble feels very disappointed because she no longer has the trust she use to have with her students. Students who stole, please stop killing it for everyone, PLEASE STOP stealing. It is not fun, and it is not good because it’s preventing all of us from using good materials. After experiences like this, Ms. Kimble won’t like to buy materials that are worth it. What would she spend her time and energy for if students are going to steal them again? Do it for your own self conscience. Do what’s right, not what’s wrong!

From http://www.catalyst-lps.com

Dusty
March 27th, 2009, 12:55 PM
You really don't need fine quality paper as a student. Your local newspaper probably has a ton of newsprint available. Newspapers get printed off huge rolls of paper, and they don't use them down to the very end. The remainder of a roll of newsprint is something they may be willing to just give you. When I was a kid I always had one of those around to draw on. It may take a little asking around to find the right person to ask, but a few emails should do the trick. Make sure you explain you are a student, and it will help.

Check your schools recycle bins. There's nothing disgusting in there, just paper, and man people love to waste paper. You dont have to feel bad about grabbing stuff out of there because using discarded paper is just the same as recycling it.

This.
Newspaper print is also great because it's huge. So you can slice/tear off small amounts or draw huge murals if you want. Also, I totally agree on the dumpster diving. When I was in college (for Industrial Design, so lots of materials needed for that), we always went to all sorts of places to grab scrap wood and plastic out of dumpsters. In fact, our teacher even suggested it. Everyone knows students are broke...and they are understanding of that.

What they are not understanding of is stealing, though. Seriously, what did you think would happen by posting this thread?

Arshes Nei
March 27th, 2009, 01:05 PM
Ok People, I know stealing is a bad thing. And Obviously the alternative is Getting a job/not stealing..
I don't steal like crazy, that kleptomaniac comment was a joke.

I do have a job but i'm only 16 i don't make alot of money and the money i do make goes to paying for my car, buying my own food, and saving for college since i will have no help from my parents.

This still is no reason to steal, but i was just stating that i have resorted to stealing because i have no money laying around for art supplies.
The only decent art supply center here is a blick art store and they are really expensive. Plus the drive all the way over there is already expensive.

I know there are other ways to get these things. But to be honest the borders and walmart across the street won't be missing a sketchbook.

But anyways. I will be looking at those materials that you guys suggested. I don't think i have the connections for art swaps just yet.

For your situation http://www.anime.net/~arshesnei/misc/violin.gif

Seriously your whining earns no sympathy from me.

Edit: I banned this user for 3 months if any administrator disagrees feel free to lift the ban

Shantih
March 27th, 2009, 01:06 PM
I was far more solvent when I was 16 than I am now. If you can't afford things when your parents are still paying for the roof over your head then I'd start worrying about how you're going to deal with later life.

cmalidore
March 27th, 2009, 01:29 PM
I do hate the whole "I have no money so I'ma just take it" mentality that so many people have. Desperation does not make a bad idea - good. It just proves that you're a slave to your own wants. Wanna prove that you're a strong willed artist? Go earn the damn eraser and sketchbook.

I didn't have to pay for any of my art supplies for years because often enough somebody can spare a pencil or eraser, and there's tons of paper that people put in recycle bins that you can draw on.

Sympathy is lacking here.

Flake
March 27th, 2009, 01:34 PM
Seriously, what did you think would happen by posting this thread?

That he would be acclaimed as a sort of modern day Robin Hood but with art supplies? He steals from The Man to give to the poor, now poor students can have copic markers etc..
Perhaps others would join in with their "Oceans Thirteen" style tales of daring putty rubber heists..

3 pages of "use printer paper" must have been a disappointment.

Dave_
March 27th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Well, printer paper is nearly free, if you buy them in packs of 500 you pay about 1 ct per paper. And i dont think you'll be needing more then 1000 a month (thats bout 30 pices of paper a day).

J Wilson
March 27th, 2009, 02:00 PM
I think there is a sort of delusional entitlement that people who steal have. There's a sort of modern feeling of if you want it, you should be able to get it. Even people who don't steal can feel that way, which leads to running themselves into debt. We have become pretty detached from how we value many things.

Dusty
March 27th, 2009, 02:03 PM
Ugh, it's definitely made worse by checking out his myspace. Sorry, but it just reminds me of all the kids sitting around Broadway in Seattle with tons of piercings, tattoos, freshly styled hair, and hip clothing begging for change.

Obviously, you aren't doing THAT BAD if you can afford all of that stuff. I really wish a lesson will be learned by this 3-mo. ban, but honestly I doubt this will change his mind.

Sad...

-D

Pezzle
March 27th, 2009, 03:00 PM
I just want to add that I am extremely crunched for cash at the moment. I am going to rant. Be warned.

I pay my community college tution out of pocket (308 dollars per month) along with other expenses for sports that I take part in that are very important to me. I make 160 dollars a week, 200 max on a good week before income taxes are taken out. Then subtract gas, food and other car expenses, my car needs oil changes and tranny fluid changes CONSTANTLY.

I STILL FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR MY GOD DAMNED ART SUPPLIES.

Drawing so much even, how does someone NOT accumulate? I admit I went through periods where I didn't do much art, as you can see in some other threads (consult "Treading on my Dreams" in Art Discussion for that). However, even if I had been so actively drawing, I would STILL have paper.

I have literally accumulated sketchbooks over the years that have been half filled and still have plenty of blank pages and other sides of pages (unless its charcoal, no smudgies!). Tons of pads of various sizes and various paper types and qualities, I at least have a pad or half pad of everything.. and of course the box of paper reams I have! Ballpoint pens are literally 99 cents for a 12 pack depending on the brand... I don't understand how you can't afford them SOMEHOW.

Anyway... that's my rant. If I somehow can have quality art supplies on a budget (and believe me, my classes mandate certain supplies for every project and you're expected to replace that 10 dollar piece of illo board if you scrwe up) , you can too.

Arshes Nei
March 27th, 2009, 03:14 PM
Obviously, you aren't doing THAT BAD if you can afford all of that stuff. I really wish a lesson will be learned by this 3-mo. ban, but honestly I doubt this will change his mind.

Sad...

-D

Well, don't people get permbanned by default when they do software piracy? I just went with a 3 month because I am trying not to get too involved in the banning process (which is why I said they're free to lift it).

I could have sworn I saw some anime con photos...and I can't help but wonder...how can you come on complaining paper is expensive but go to an anime convention? A day pass can be like 45 dollars...that's worth quite a few sketchbooks and pencils o.O;;;

Sulk-Sal
March 27th, 2009, 03:43 PM
Not to mention if someones going to a Con, I doubt their going just to look around.

I remember once when I mentioned I had bought the educational license of the software to do my projects at home...one student got pretty angry. "Why do that?! Just download it! It all belongs to you anyway!"

...

Makes me wonder how these people will feel if their art is ever stolen for someones work.

Black Spot
March 27th, 2009, 04:01 PM
Can we lock this thread? It’s not fair if the OP is banned.

I don’t hear a lot about integrity these days. It was ingrained into me when I was growing up and I’m doing my damnedest to get it into my kids. It doesn’t make you popular, but it does mean you can sleep at night.

I stole a Bounty Bar (6d back then) when I was 10 and the guilt ate me up. I don’t see the OP being sorry for what they did, and that rankles. It also makes me think the whole thread was just an attention getting ploy.

If you need to confess, confess to your parents.

Arshes Nei
March 27th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Fair enough, locked.