View Full Version : Animal Anatomy TAG TEAM!
February 21st, 2009, 01:25 PM
Hey! This thread was made for Homeless Horde and I to learn animal anatomy and possibly later, some design.
We are both learning so we are both really mentors to each other. However, any onlookers who feel comfortable in this area of study feel free to drop in and give some advice, it would be truly appreciated.
This is the link to Moaiís thread on learning the same subject, which I have done some reading in, and I assure you it is full of valuable information. Iíll probably reference it and take ideas from it.
Some ideas for the thread:
So one of the things I'll put forward is that anybody working in the thread should do the COW every week, finished painting or just rough concept work. We can use this as a way to measure progress, apply learning, and stretch the imagination. Secondly, when learning anatomy, from my experience, its best to work from diagrams(anatomy books), photos, life and the imagination, sort of in that order, but also simultaneously.
To start off, I think it be best to learn the skeleton of both the dog and horse, as those are most common to animal anatomy books and are good references for general skeletons of herbivore and carnivore. What say we start on the skull of the dog? I think we should put up at least a side view and ĺ angle from reference and work from there.
Let me in on your thoughts of all this HH.
If anybody would like to join us in this, send me a pm and unless this gets crazy popular, weíll be happy to have people join us.
February 22nd, 2009, 01:22 PM
Hey! Stacybean has decided to join the thread, but if anyone else still wants to join, send me up some pms.
Here's the first batch. I'll admit that when I messaged HH about this, I was already starting dog skeletons, but all this was done especially for the thread. I think I must draw lightly because my scans always turn out so light.
Anyways, the colour in the side view image is used to show the big shapes that I saw. The red was a ovoid/spherical cranium, the blue was the large cheek bones and the purple was a tapering cylinder.
The colour in the 3/4 view piece was used to show something similar, but I also used two different hues of purple/pink to show planes. I also drew a pitbull skull here because I saw it while searching images and it looked cool!
Finally, the last study is just using some photos of dogs in motion from Moai's thread and examining the skeleton underneath. Feel free to post any other animal related studies you do, like these.
General things found:
The eye is not completely surrounded by bone, it is partially enclosed by the cheek bone and diamond-like plane on the top of the snout.
The cheek bone arcs upward and is made of two pieces of bone.
The cranium is a strange ovoid shape and has a ridge of along the centre on top and along the back two sides.
February 22nd, 2009, 03:59 PM
Hey. So far, it looks pretty good. I think that when you upload pictures, if possible, you should make them a bit bigger. Like you stated before, you should also try to draw a little darker. Maybe after you sketch is done, go back over your drawing with a darker pencil, or push down harder.
Unfortunately, I am a little bit busy right now, but I should have some sketches in later today, or tomorrow.
Everything looks good though. I'll update when I get a chance.
February 23rd, 2009, 04:01 AM
Jumping in here! Thanks misterstrum and homeless horde for starting this, this forum is lacking mentors but at least we can do is learn from each other.
I'd never tackled any animal skeleton before so I worked one straight from ref (http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/WebZ/FETCH?sessionid=01-37736-1408998906:recno=9:resultset=4:format=F:next=html/nffull.html:bad=error/badfetch.html&entityimageSize=l). I feel a bit more confident with it now so next I'll take a real dog and put a skeleton in like in M.S. did.
I also did an English Bulldog skull (http://www.boneclones.com/images/bc-128-lg.jpg) (bred for grabbing onto and holding down noses of bulls!) and a White Bull Terrier skull (http://www.boneclones.com/images/bc-260-lg.jpg).
Things I learned: The little bone that sticks up and the back of the dog's knee, how very far the cartilage of the dog's nose sticks out from the actual bone, one of the three toes is kind of seperated from the other two, and one of the toes has no bone at all! Also the pelvis is pretty small compared to a human.
Misterstrum: Where can I grab some refs of moving dogs like you have drawn there? Those are well done I think, good movement.
February 27th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Hey again! I think I'll be moving on to the horse skeleton then, but I will probably throw in some more studies of dogs in motion and how their bones move.
Those are lookin' alright so far Stacybean! As for the moving dog references, I took those ones straight from Moai's thread which I linked to in the first post. I think there somewhere around page 4? In your drawing of the dog's full skeleton, some things I noticed were the large gap between the end of the ribcage and pelvis, I believe it should be smaller(the ref link is not working for me ><) Also try to pay special attention to the rhythm of the spine which I may have exaggerated, but just remember the general line when doing other drawings. When you do another study, try to notice and measure the length of the legs with respect to the rest of the body, the length of the neck with respect to the body, and things like that. Put down half way markers and stuff if you have to. Just keep drawing anything cool you happen to find like those two skulls.
The first picture is a drawing of a StBernard (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Stbernardinsnow.jpg/800px-Stbernardinsnow.jpg) and an Indian Spitz (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Indian_spitz.jpg). I first drew the fully fleshed dogs from the references and then tried to draw their bones underneath. I specifically tried to get 3/4 like angles. It's awesome to note that there is such a difference in structure and shape just in different breeds of dog. Although I wouldn't call it a rule, to make an dog or other quadruped seem large and burly, drop the head closer to the back level.
The rest of the drawings are some brainstorming for this weeks COW, mammoth from hell or something along the lines. Any critiques on these would be great, and I might even try painting something.
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