Sgt. Gun

[Flea-Market]

Well its got some problems, but lots of things do.

http://www.angelfire.com/art2/hand3/Sgt.Gun.JPG

[Mr. Teatime]

good show old chap, but why'd ya delete the bottom half? or was that accidental?

[abriko]

You seek prefection, or at least the illusion of it....with a kid drawing ?

[gekitsu]

hey flea

you probably know that but when we are going to enlist everything that could be done better, we'd be off to a long list. his stance is very static, he looks flat and his gun design isn't all too mindblowing for someone who got "gun" in his name, just to name a bit.
but you decided to post it, which is a good thing. some days, everyone posted drawings he will be ashamed of after a few weeks. even jason manley did this, although he "posted" them to his teachers at ringling, most likely and not on a forum :)

i give you the advice to learn about form and light because that is the very basic thing everything somehow relates to.
no need to make elaborate gun designs or crazy armory or stylish light effects for now, but giving a two-dimensional drawing a feel of "body", "space" and "mass". you can start with easy things... like cubes, pyramids, cylinders... imagine different situations like overhead light, side light, sunlight... spot light versus diffused light... all those things.
you can go more complex any time: if you are confident giving a constructed cube solidity, you can take a few dice, lie them on a table in front of you and draw them.
it is amazing how much credibility and "body" a drawing gets when you have consistent and believable shadows...
i strongly suggest taking a look at mindcandymans "journey of an absolute rookie" thread. look at what this guy accomplished, from very simple things in the beginning to what he draws now.

you can download the loomis books somewhere at the web - they procide you with a lot of stuff for a solid start. www.fineart.sk has the most important ones, i believe.

take one step at a time... light and perspective for now, and on the foundation of that, you can build almost everything once you have it down :)

if you have trouble with anything in specific, don't be too shy to post the work with problems and ask for advice on how to make this or that better or clearer to read... that's what forums are there, for.

good luck and have fun, mate

[Flea-Market]

ok thnx for advice thats just a saying I like and the bottom half was just blank white space.



-Flea

[die_with_honor]

hey tis a good concept a little used but good none the less

[Mr. Teatime]

oh yeah i forgot you were going to do that. do what getisku says.

[Flea-Market]

Ok I did some quick work forgot to work on lighting but tell me what you think now
http://www.angelfire.com/art2/hand3/Sgt.Gun2.JPG

and its bigger



-Flea

[Flea-Market]

hello....

[Mr. Teatime]

say hello again. maybe someone will notice.


dramatically rework it using walnut ink on genuine parchment, because that looks good.
I think it still looks allmost the same, no real change. Sorry man. Band practise next week?

[shyst]

...I agree with geki-

but what the hell it's alwayz kool to do fantasy or scifi on the side...

don't be fooled too much about the static pose comment about 75 % of all production scematics will be static....

aside from that i dont really see whats not fantastic with the gun if it was anymore fantastic it wouldnt go with the suit-


yup-

[Samba's]

I actualy like the simply pose, but the helmet bothers me..
I think this guy deserves a better helmet! Give the drawing some color, and a nice background, and i think the peeps on the forum will be astonished what happened to your drawing

[talmir]

You know. I like this drawing to a certain degree.. the pose is ok.. not everyone needs to be doing a triple somersault to be good. Most concept sketches are exactly in that pose i think. The gun fits with him.. I think its pretty believable and seems to have weight the way he holds it. But you need to work on a few things... I dont think I can add to what has already been said...

[ClocktowerArtworks]

it's not his "pose" that's static...it's that the drawing has absolutely no motion whatsoever. a guy doesn't have to be doing a triple somersault for a drawing to have motion. even a man sitting motionless can have motion...the way the curves and angles of the body connect and contrast can give a motionless figure motion. that being said...there is nothing interesting about this character. no expression...no adornments on the clothing to give us any idea what this guy is like...in fact, from the drawing alone we don't even know that this is a man. it could very well be a woman, a child in a suit, or some form of humanoid alien. i suggest pushing your ideas further...use reference for armor/clothing, weapon, and anatomy. this may sound harsh, but it's with the best intentions. just push yourself to always reach further and it will come together nicely. good start. keep em comin.

[Robolus]

Hi Flea-Market,

I made this reaaaallly quick overpaint for you.
Maybe it can help.

Cheers,
Robolus

http://www.freire-design.de/overpaint.jpg

[Flea-Market]

I dont like it.... not industrial enough
you really didnt need to do that for me, I mean it was a sketch.
plus how do you know that was... um smoke... it was... um... fire.... maybe... ok it was smoke thats cool, but its not my style, I go for an almost real cartoon look.

[ClocktowerArtworks]

damn flea...if someone with robolus' skill did an overpaint for me, i'd be f'n thrilled. but, to each his own.

[Robolus]

Sorry Flea-Market,

I didn´t mean to offend you with my Overpaint. I just wanted to show you one of thousand ways to handle your concept. I hope that you don´t get discouraged posting your drawings in Conceptart. CA had been so helpful for me, it will be helpful for you too. It is not easy to handle critique, but try to use it to become a better artist. Bah, my english is so bad, I hope that you understand what I mean.

Robolus

PS: Thanks ClocktowerArtworks! ;)

[Flea-Market]

Okay look its not that you did that that was actually pretty nice of you, but what I dont like is that you changed the helmet.... thats it.





-Flea

[jca]

not to be mean, but robulus's "overpaint" or overhaul rather is about 999999999999999999999999.9% better than yours. just honest to god truth.

[shadow]

I think the helmet fleamarket did looks like a bucket with a visor, so i cant can see were fleas comming from on design. flea, what you need is a pose that is more 3-d, like Robulus', it would really help, oh and by the way, do you flea, live in the same town as Die_with_honour and Mr. teatime?

[Flea-Market]

it was suposed to look like a bucket and I knowits better thats why im redoing it. and yes, not to mention green.




-flea

[strych9ine]

The real issue was that Robulous was kind enough to show you what you were doing wrong, not to recreate this perfect vision of a helmet you abstractly hinted at in your drawing. He wasn't recreating your concept, he added dimension and solidified the forms you hinted at. That was the best critique/comment you could have hoped to received, but you are brushing it off because it didn't follow your original design to a T. Simply stunning.

[gekitsu]

that said, i find that the helmet robolus painted still looks like a bucket O_O
a bucket with volume and mass, though.

[RudeCorleone]

cartoony is a not an excuse for a bad drawing. you should pay attention to robolous's sketch. don't discard it, be smarter than that

[bRyaN]

Big important thing you have to learn to take bro is criticism...

you a young and budding artist, and this is a forum where true pros post and often give advice, so us aspiring professionals can learn something...

keep drawing...

bryan

[MGH]

Originally posted by ClocktowerArtworks
damn flea...if someone with robolus' skill did an overpaint for me, i'd be f'n thrilled. but, to each his own.
Flea, you were asking for critiques and you got it. Try showing that to client with a tight deadline and see if they'll be as helpful as Robolus.
You made the effort and had the guts to post it, now be gracious with advice given to you.

[AnarchyAo2]

Hey flea, try not to take critiques as personal attacks. Its hard at first but as a artist you've gotta get used to critiques and how to handle them. Keep an open mind.

[Mr. Teatime]

Originally posted by Flea-Market
I dont like it.... not industrial enough
you really didnt need to do that for me, I mean it was a sketch.
plus how do you know that was... um smoke... it was... um... fire.... maybe... ok it was smoke thats cool, but its not my style, I go for an almost real cartoon look.


Dude! You idiot! Even if you didn't really like it, dont take it as offense! It would be awesome if robulus overpainted my work! Shows he likes it and could be finished well!
And robulus, reaaaaaaaaaally awesome. Especially how you did it "reeaaally" quick. I cant do it that good yet even if i took reeaaaaly long! Dude flea, show some respect for talent!

yeah fleas in the same town, so is devil jester. he never listens to me either.

[Flea-Market]

ok listen I was just stating that i dindt like the over painting as much as the way i saw my pic in my head (not so much the way it turned out).
I'm not offended that he did that and in fact i am redoing it. like i said earlier, and i havent discarded his pic.
man you say one thing in here and everyone goes beserk on you, man






-Flea

P.S. yea DJ really needs to listen to you Mr Teatime.

[Mr. Teatime]

heh yea flea. its just the way you said it came across to me as sort of rude, ya know?

[die_with_honor]

Every thing flea says sounds rude even if its a complement.
Thats just the way he is.

[Devils Jester]

Dang you people act like children wanting the last brownie on the snack plate.

How many times in your lives(MGH, Clockworkstowers, etc) and you've blown up at them in complete and total anger that was uncalled for.

And how many times does what you drw not turn out as what you saw in your head so get off hiss back already.

Flea bro accept the che okay and push away the bad and except it for what cc are. ok?

And it does look like bucket with a visor and light atached to it sorry:chug: :chug: :chug:

[ClocktowerArtworks]

i can't really understand most of what you wrote Jester...but, i'll answer what i can.

i said nothing in anger...everything i said was honest criticism.

most of what i draw comes out looking nothing like what i saw in my head...but when people try to help me, i take it seriously and try to improve based on their advice, rather than nitpicking about inane details. and furthermore, i'm thankful and respectful of my critics. As i said before, i would be honored to have someone of robolus' skill do a rework of something i sketched.

criticism is often harsh, as it should be. no one learns anything if you wrap them up in warm, fuzzy blankets, hand them a cup of hot cocoa and tell them everything will work out on it's own. people take time out of their days to offer help and advice...don't piss all over their contribution by complaining about it.

and lastly...if you don't want, or can't handle criticism, give your work to your mom and hang it up in a frame so she can glow about it all day, but don't post it here and expect the same reaction. (or just post in the oooh's and ahhhh's section.)

[shadow]

Clockworkartworks= Just ignore death_jester, i agree with you, people should be able to take concstructive crits.
Death_Jester, Mr. Teatime, Die_with_Honour=I dont know if you guys are all friends, the same person or just live in the same town, you need to understand that this forum is for people looking for serious critiques of work. This place is on the whole ment for people who want to get better at thier art so that they can get into the concept art biz, and isnt a place to randomly post art so you can get cushy praise. Go to elfwood if you want that. I dont mean to be harsh, but you guys need to understand.

P.S. and you guys need to learn how to spell, people cant understand what you are saying.

[softdrawer]

the over paint looks awesome

[Mr. Teatime]

I know it's for serious critique. That's what I came for, and thats why it always makes me mad when die_with_honor posts some moronic comment on whatever I post. That's also why I went to the Middle Class. I want to become good enough to be in the concept art biz.

[Devils Jester]

SOrry about my spelling i really suck at it.

I my self don't care what the heck you say about the pics posted i myself ecept crits from friends and family and peers.

I just don't like bickering civilized peoles as we are. Is that okay with you? I liked the original pic and the paint over in just different ways.

I hope you don't hate me do you people?:confused:

[Devils Jester]

To explain my first post i someimes get ahead of my self when typin or writting things down and the second one i ran out of time to finish what i was going to say.

What I ment to say is that how many times have you guys drawn something and then get it critisizd and blown up at the person in anger and disgust. I know ive done it before and i regret it. so give some leeway before you go belistic.


I am sorry for any miss under standing on anything:D

I hope i get this much of a post frenzy when i get taught to post.:beer:

[nil]

sorry to go OT, but:

Originally posted by Devils Jester

I my self don't care what the heck you say about the pics posted i myself ecept crits from friends and family and peers.


then show them to your friends, family and 'peers'. this board is not populated by those people, so if you dont want a crit from someone who isnt one of those people, dont post your pictures here.

[Flea-Market]

ok I looked over every thing again and I noticed that I was jerk so I'm sorry and the overpaint is a lot better.








-a sorry Flea