The Ringling Thread

[agentJ]

All right let me be absolute honest here. There's been lots of talk of RInglign recently as the Janurary 15th gets closer, and I, like many, will be applying for next fall as well. So here's to all you hopefuls, readers and anyone whose considering it. Just a thread for us all, to share stories, ideas, entry portfolios and share critiques.

Here's my story. My name is David Andrade, I'm 18 and I hail from Tampa, Florida. I graduated last semster from HS (spring 03) and currently attend the University of Tampa. I've, for what they offer, taken even possible art course including attending extra classes on the side. I had applied to Ringling for this fall and came in 5th on the wait list, which eventaully came to 2nd, but no more. Ever since then I've completely turned my focus to try to get into next fall. For the past 3 months or so I haven't done anything but draw. I have no "weekends" parsay, as all I do is draw or work. Lately it's gotten to the poitn where I'm stressed out and I have nothing on my mind but Ringling itself. Call me a freak? Even those of you that are already going there, but I'm sorry I've become obsessed. I don't knwo what esle to say. All I do is draw. Analyzing what I did last portfolio however, I've coem to realzie a few things, including mistakes and improvements.

My main mistake was time. I spent an hour - two MAX on my drawings. This is a no no, as it showed. No use of ruler, or sketches either. When I drew, the only purpose I had was to draw and get it over with and get into Ringling. In reality you should just draw. Lots. And pick your best. I did the way of naming what I would do, outline it and then doign it. For whatever subconcious things happened, it showed that I was rushing my work.

I sent in my drawings too close. The 14th of Jan overnighted. Oh yeah that was pushing it!

I scanned my images. When I went in for my 3rd review I talked about scanning and from the impression I got its not a good thing, as quality can be lost and overall feel can be as well. Even what ever photoshop skills I had I still had too much of a high over tone and greys were lost.

I included 3D work. According to students and my advisor there, whatever you do aisde form figure studies is considered supplemental material and not necessarily your strengths. Don't pride yourself on good edge flow techniques to get in. While it is a plus it definetly isn't a big one. For what I had though it seemed to help, 14 pieces in hand etc and 3 3D works. A bird, person, and another person, both futiristic, both low poly. It may have helped I guess, I don't know. But I won't be including any this time around.

A side ancedote; through 6 degrees of seperation I have a friend who goes here who knows a Pixar employee. Upon his interview he was shown a pencil and asked what it was. The proper response? Your tool. All the 3D and fancy stuff comes later, what matters is the 2d first. It is a LOT better to have a deep traditional background then a deep 3d background. Even Full Sail preaches this, of all schools (they're more of a technical one as it is, 2 and now I think 3 year degrees).

Lack of diversity. I'm doing it again this year but not as much. All my work was by pencil last year. This year I'm throwing in charcoal, maybe a collage and defintely 1-2 paintings. Who knows maybe I should need more, any advice?

Again don't make it difficult to see either. My cd consisted of scanned images and that's it. Nothing more. No fancy presentation or cd cover or anything. From waht I got of an illustrator there, they just want to see your work.

Something I've seen however is not enough feeling. It is something I'm trying now in behoovest of my art professor. While applying to Ringling aesthetics are only general, if you focus a lot on the art of it you may have a greater change of getting in. Here's an example, lots of people (including me) included profile and front face studies. While this is great, mix it up a little. Do some 1/3 or 2/3 or isometric studies, behind, change the light and really focus on shadows and light. This is what I have done and hope it will work. Maybe adding some feeling as well. You're trying to tell Ringling who you are. THey don't have exact sets of what they want to see. THey probally don't know what they want to see. Your job is not to try and find what they're looking for, but prove to them you're good enough to get in. Just draw guys and get in.

Somethign I've seen recently in threads here is drawings not being complete. Finish them! IN my 3rd interview (don't ask heh:) one of the main things I had heard from the first was to FINISH drawings. Polish it. Don't send in a lot of drawings and (re-iterating) make drawings to get in; just draw and fix up lots of them and send in your polished ones. But most of all finish them. If it takes you too long, then finish it. Because if you can't bear that, then you should really push yourself more. 6-8 hour drawings minimum guys. And use smaller paper too. There is no down side to using it. Learn not to smudge, use a eraser or learn to draw by lifting your arm. Use a ruler!!!! Use an eraser:\ Did I mention a ruler?


Practice too! Take yoru sketch book everywhere! And just draw!! Hell on napkins too! Go out to a basketball court and study gestures. Ask your mom (who I surmounted much of my work on for the past year or two now :D) to stand stil land study contour. Just do it.

SOme good practices for patience? Draw an inch line or 1 minute, then 5 and finally 10 (you know what I mean, don't get fancy and say lifting it or not ) THen study contours for 20 minutes a day. You'll see great improvement.

Just practice

I have.

Here's my last year's portfolio (some clips at least)
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/oldport/

I'm running late for class, there's tons of threads here, espicially PZ's and others that I want to link. Please psot it here, I'm sorry, when I get home I'll try to post some links.

[beechdbum]

alright to try to get this thread going as the new ringling thread ill post the only 3 images i have online that ill prob be submitting . ill link them to keep the page loading quickly

figure drawing, im open to any crits you guys have as i am quite new to figure drawing
http://www.deviantart.com/view/4076627/
photoshop illustration with wacom tablet, if i could improve anything i think composition is the week point.
http://www.deviantart.com/view/2881812/

3d fish
backround was used just to test transpercy and is not permenant. this is still a WIP although it is very near completion and am looking for any crits you can find
http://www.deviantart.com/view/1262050/

AgentJ if you have a prob with us hijacking this thread for the new ringling thread please just let me know and ill delete my post.

edit:fixed the links

[Dominie_Dirtch]

These are all works I have included in my portfolio. Sorry for the quality on some. Rather than post info on them all, I will just respond to specific enquiries.

Male and female, each was 3-4 hours, from life
(I know his feet look small, but I swear this guy had freakishly small feet...)
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0010.JPG
(this was actually unfinished when I shot it, I cleaned up all that torso shading that looks so shabby now and finished the background.)
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0013.JPG

Gestural work, 3-4 minutes each, from life
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0022.JPG
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0008.JPG
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0024.JPG
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0027.JPG
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0033.JPG

Hand studies.
First is 9-13 minute, the second two are each 6 minute studies... There is my primary hand study page also, that I don't currently have a photo of.
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0014.JPG
God what a crappy photo...
http://www.aphoticimage.com/lifesketchdump/IMG_0002.JPG
Drawing from Photo/Life Reference, using realism.
http://www.aphoticimage.com/newercrap/mattorig.jpg http://www.aphoticimage.com/newercrap/corfini.jpg
http://aphoticimage.com/sub_files/illustration/images/kyler/images/fruit.jpg
http://aphoticimage.com/sub_files/illustration/images/kyler/images/tdjakes.jpg
http://aphoticimage.com/sub_files/illustration/images/kyler/images/corenpencil.jpg
Other works.
http://aphoticimage.com/tempart/selfportrait.jpg
(30 min, of a friend while he was playing guitar, extremely fun to do...)
http://www.aphoticimage.com/newercrap/buzz11.jpg
What he looks like, just for an example (http://www.aphoticimage.com/kjunk/buzz1.jpg)

(in the background, a Chuck Close Modular Portrait of myself done in PreCollege at RSAD)
http://aphoticimage.com/tempart/Vertical2.jpg
That's pretty much the extent of it. Hope to see a lot of stuff on this thread.


(I turned this post into links to cut down on thread load time.)

[beechdbum]

hey kyler one thing ive learned about the figure drawings even with the longer poses is line quality. your first couple seem to have a solid outline around the figure with no real change in value, you started to do it with the feet in the first image. also try not to cut off the hands and feet i think i remeber them saying that at the admissions seminar we had. hope this helps some.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Yeah man, you're definitely right. I've had about 6 teachers curse me about doing hands and feet... I've had trouble defining form with an outline on the life drawings, working from life (on a damned easel) is a huge challenge to get used to... Thanks for the feedback man

[agentJ]

It is a hard change but you learn quickly to adapt.

One thing I noticed is that you foreshortened in some areas, so I'm questioning hwo you drew? Stand up. It hurts we know but peopel get used to it:D

I like them overall What I dont liek however is the lack of lighting. Im no fan of just ambience:| that's what it mainly comes off as. your stil llife profiles and horse just abso-fricken-lutely-tastic! be proud they're your strongest work ;)

[Hett15]

Not looking to hijack this thread. Just have a question in relation to Ringling. For people who go there do you think if I want to do storyboards as a career should I apply for the animation program or the illustration program? I think the animation program would be really great for learning movement, layout design, key poses and lots of other film and animation stuff. Then on the other hand the illustration program will give me a firm foundation in drawing which is what storyboarding is. Of course animation will too. Any personal experience would be great. Thanks

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Illustration. With a focus on Sequintial art. Your illustrative ability is very important in animation, but a hell of a lot of your course time is going to be spent learning Maya and primarily working on the computer.

[agentJ]

Ok so I went to show m yteacher my portfolio and ge tit reviewed more or less:D So here's the run down:

A) I did good with my 6-8 hour drawings
B) I did bad with my 2-3 hour drawings
C) Add some feel to my art. I seem to be getting there.


The thing is I'm getting pulled in all different directions. I'm advised to do nothing but figure drawing, my sister (an animation geek) advises me to send in a concept to final and story board, i want to paint but dont have time, i need to draw

and I'm sure as hell going to be running this damn portfolio till the last minute if i have too!


man im worried shitless :)

APparently i worry about it too much, my professor advised me just to forget and start a new..

oh man here comes the carpal tunnel.

Dominie where you at:D?

[beechdbum]

stay away from storyboards........ im serious, more likely to hurt you then help unless your really good at them. as for concept sure you can add it but its just extra for your portfolio they focus on your figure first. still life second, then what ever else you got to show. hope this helps

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Yeah, I agree with Ben. No story-boards in your portfolio. I've heard that from dozens of people now, including students at RSAD.

My screen names are:

XDominieDirtchX
and
OzzgoodSlaughter

I have a bi-polar thing goin on with AIM right now.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Bio,
Thanks a lot for the input man, I went and checked around CA for anything you'd posted and found some of your figure drawings... Excellent work man, the sense of style and motion on them is very aesthetically pleasing. I agree with you as far as the T.D. Jakes picture (the bald black man), I've had a few people now tell me to either finish it, or erase the bottom and give it a fading look from the shoulders. I wish I had taken the advice sooner, as it seems to be a common opinion...

[undergroundkg]

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[agentJ]

thanks a lot bio! I'm just catching up on some readingn ow and I'll be working on my folio myself pretty hard. I feel the need to start a new ;) Don't ask:D

What I'm scared of is all the transfer students I'm goign to be competing with :|
ahh no more worrying for me though:)


undergroundkg:
While I don't doubt your technical skill and aeshetic ksill of 3D I recommend you keep what 3D yoursending as a supplmental. Mainly because, as bio said, its all about the figures

Your tone study is quite interesting, as you are able to manuever from Light to dark and vis versa quite effectively.

Your placement is right and your understanding of the body is quite apt for out of high school. My main worries are contour studying and light control. While you demonstrate a
control of value its how you use that value that is really detracitng fro your portfolio. Many things are light and left like that and slightly dark, no fading in and out (and no sense of style if your using simple shadows). Because of that people wonder if you're rushing your work, which then shows by the hair. Now I'm not trying to beat you do but I'm giving you a review of what I think:| So no offense in anything just take it with a grain of salt:D

One thing I recommend is patience. Sit down and draw for a straight hour, then 2, and then 3 with some breaks. Just beat it into yourself. Do contour studies and study very facet of the eye and lip, hair, everything

You may have a chance just needs some work:) However don't push your 3D Work as your main headway, they're looking at your self portraits first.

[undergroundkg]

i agree. i dont mean to rush my work. im just not sure where to go with it as i havent had any real drawing classes. i think if a teacher would be explaining it to me i would pick it up very fast. i can work about 24 hours a day 7 days a week:) so ill be drawing but not sure of the pace of my improvement without someone to guide me.

[wassermelone]

I am at Ringling currently... Freshman (in CA) about to finish the first semester.
The funny thing is I included so much stuff that they told me not to include. 3d animation, computer drawn pieces, things drawn from photo, and I don't think I included a single piece of actual figure drawing. What I did have besides that was a lot of random still life drawings which 2-4 hours each (all of which I did not do all that well). Suffice to say I had a horrible portfolio. Plus I got the VERY distinct impression that the guy that gave me an interview disliked me... (which is funny because now he smiles when he sees me and mentioned to me one day that he remembered how well my interview went). Then during orientation the new CA students had a pick at the CA Major head and he basically said that either drawing skill (as I said... my portfolio was asstastic) or some drawing skill and good grades (I was fourth quarter and getting out of high school was completely on the whim of my senior english teacher so that wasn't it). I didn't even take that many (2 of a possible 5) art classes in high school...

So... basically...
I don't know how the fuck I got in here.
Fuckin acing all my classes here happily!

-toasty =)

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Toaster,
Do you know Eric Drobile? He's a freshman CA as well, friend of mine. That's insane what happened with your portfolio... I don't think I will be taking any chances, regardless. ;)

[undergroundkg]

toaster if you dont mind me asking, do you have any examples of work you had turned in with your portfolio?

im just wondering what you consider bad :P
how would you compare it to, say mine for example?

[beechdbum]

hmmmm maybe since toaster's original interview went bad and his grades and portfolio were "asstastic" maybe they confused him with some one else, hince the acceptence letter and the admission guy being all nice now. then again maybe you were just over nervous at your admissions are very modest about your portfolio and ringling saw some great potential in you. considering your getting all A's im going to have to go with my second theory. would be interested to see your defintion of asstastic though by seeing some of your portfolio.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

The work of his I've seen on the DSG certaintly isn't "asstastic" ;)

[beechdbum]

you know you take all the fun out of conspiracy theories..... anybody else get a nice email reminding them that the porfolio is due jan 16th..... there just wanting me to stress i know it

[winjer]

How does the ringling illustration department compare to other art schools?

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Pretty good, I've heard. I mean... Shawn Barber teaches Illustration there... How cool is that..

(if you don't know who I'm talking about www.sdbarber.com)

[Elwell]

Shawn has a fantastic FAQ page here (http://www.sdbarber.com/pages/faq_pg.html). Anyone in or thinking about art school should read it, especially the last section.

As for the Ringling illustration program, I've seen some nice stuff come out of there. I don't think it's quite as strong as SVA or Art Center, but it's pretty good.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Yes, I've read that FAQ page all the way through at least twice... And I've heard the same thing about SVA and Art Center being the top notch for Illustration... But this is just what I've heard.

[agentJ]

Damn lol:) Toaster I feel I should be in with you:| Makes me feel so b ad I didn't go to Ringling this year. But I've met so many people! Ahgg.

My problem right now are figures:\ Haven't been able to find any naked figures latley so I may include some half done 1-3 hour figure drawings.

I'm doing lots of faces lately however:D

I haven't seen Toaster's portfolio or his work any link?

[beechdbum]

http://webspace.ringling.edu/~awhitmor/dsgwaterfinished.jpg
http://webspace.ringling.edu/~awhitmor/demonhunter.jpg
http://webspace.ringling.edu/~awhitmor/fetish.jpg
http://www.rsad.edu/~awhitmor/ladywip.jpg
http://www.rsad.edu/~awhitmor/dsg256.jpg
http://toasty.deviantart.com/

yah! im offically stalking toasty........ um no i just searched his posts, check out deviantart link, cause that stuff probably from around his portfolio time...... damn i was hoping he acc was asstastic cause it gave me hope

[Metrini]

Wow so much info.

Before I drive myself insane with panic and worry I sent in my portfolio(well it's going in this week)

Must be burnt since I am not in america currently

Here is a sample

http://www.underwearninja.com/users/metrini/Portfolio%20-%20COMPLETE/Still%20Life%202.jpg

http://www.underwearninja.com/users/metrini/Portfolio%20-%20COMPLETE/Still%20Life%203%20-%20Skirt%20Hanger.jpg

http://www.underwearninja.com/users/metrini/Portfolio%20-%20COMPLETE/Figure%20Drawing%206.jpg

http://www.underwearninja.com/users/metrini/Portfolio%20-%20COMPLETE/Torso%20Study%201.JPG

I hope they are good enough to get me into the CA program. Good Luck to you all

=)

Metrini

[beechdbum]

are you planninng on finishing the last figure drawing? cause its not smart to submit an unfinished piece especially if you cut off the hands and feet. As for the first figure drawing try to stay away from such a solid contuour line like on his right leg.

[Metrini]

Not changing anything to be honest.

The last pic is entitled torso study. I want to attend this school because I want to improve the skills I already have. I could spend years drawing and it might never be perfect.
If it was perfect I wouldnt need to attend school would I? =p

Not trying to be lazy but........ at all but I am driving myself crazy with correcting and changing etc

[winjer]

Metrini: I think you should take some time by yourself to get better before applying. School isnt like a magic pill thatll make you good. Youll get more out of the $70G if you have a better understanding of how to draw and arent struggling with basics while trying to learn new things. Just my opinion though.

[beechdbum]

Metrini: i hate to tell you this but you say you want to "attend this school because I want to improve the skills I already have" well guess what there going to teach you by doing things like critiquing your work and telling you where you can improve on it. if you cant take me trying to help you by giving you some basic advice, how are you goiing to handle teaches tearing your work to shreds.....

[agentJ]

I have learned this the hard way and damn I am the violator of my own words!! Ringling does not look for anything. They want to see you have potential and the yearning to expand upon it. Potential, experience, ability, they want to see you!!

Here's my crit's on Metrini:

The shoes are quite aesthetically balanced. While I wonder if this is ap ostive or negative - you can rest assured they might not critique it that far, at leas t for an incoming freshman. My problem is their flateness - they're against nothing, ju st flat. There is no point of reference (somethign, too, I've learned the hard way) and you can't balance it against anything, or judge where it is. People like being in control and when you strip that away it feels wierd :d even to the minutest degree. The drop shadow you have only helps a little.

Form wise it's quite solid and decent enough detail but it feels rushed - the lines are clear and to the point but me, at least me in my own point of view who loves form anmd texture, I dont like seeing jsut straight black. add some detail or cracks etc. We're not all that perfect:D


If you think I'm being an ass please say so:| Just criqing don't want to be evil; it can happen tho.

The coat hanger is quite well done. The control of light to dark brings out a star contrast and it is recognizable. A ruler may help to balance out some of th ose lines (Curvy lines rarely inflict man made or any metaly object, espicially something so mudane so it feels a bit odd) Although that doesnt seem like a huge problem really. Again point of reference feels a bit lost here. You have a good st ar however, I notice a soft drop shadow that brings it out, but there seems to be a darker shadow that throws me off. On the bottom left of the hanger I can see a fade from dark to light = good stuff. But it doesn't help for osme pieces- espicially on the right of the hanger and the strip on the right that runs at a backwards S. I can't tell what it is and it throw me off as I wonder what i'm looking at and wh ere the shadow begins (which because of that makes me question light direction - something you must have some good control of at least - showing them you understand light comes from shomwhere and makes shadow)

Your human study is quite fasinating. Good contour control and generally good control of proportions. Again the two thigns that distract me are the hashy lines - which give off the feeling of being rushed (teh evil!! :P) Plus the stool. I my self am no good at situatios involving that stool - so what would I do? Don't finish it. Leave the stool fade off, and keep what ever little detail I can on it. Depending on how bi your paper was you wouldn't need t go that detailed on the stool but in my case I would fade it off.

The shadow control is a bit more prominent ( + !!) but it lacks overall effectiveness so again we're questioning where the light comes from:| most monochramatic drawings are just shadow studies anyway:| Something I struggle with because I like tone:D~!)

One small note:| /begin asstistic possibility - get rid of the green box. it throws off the iamge harmonically and makes it feel off - espicially since the foot looks to be looming over this box and necessarily resting on it (even if it were one solid color, the box doesn't match the ground plane of the stool which still throws it off) :\

Your strongest work isy ourl ast unfinished work. It brings off great tone control, good light control, and detail. Only suggestions are A) finish it and B) add a directional ligh t to bring it out. =D



Look I wasn't trying to be an ass but feel free to send me a nasty email:| I would. You probally ahve a better chance then me!! really you never know. I like it and I salute you to applying. WHo knows we might even meet up! My only suggestions are just draw and work espicially on lights and perspective. www.fineart.sk has the Loomis books that teach general perspective - somethign to s tart off with. good stuff to ebegin with man ;)


Good luck! and huzzah!

[agentJ]

Originally posted by Metrini
lazy but........ at all but I am driving myself crazy with correcting and changing etc


I live and breath correcting and changing. the world of experimentation and correcting! Look man don't half ass it and send it in. If your not suffering from Repeated stress syndrome in the wrist most every night from drawing then you need to draw more:D I don't know but I'm pushing myself tothe point of carpal tunnel if need be to get in man. :) It's fun


Oh and btw the first class you take at Ringling is just on critiquing more or less. Where they talk about lights, colors etc. The illustration guy i had told me about it. basically if you can't handle the teacher ripping you to shreds well.. you'll learn fast;D

[Metrini]

The fact of the matter is we have a deadline that is drawing dangerously near.

I dont want it to reach in late(January 14th) that is definitely the worst thing.

I have no problem taking critiques, feel free to say what you want about the pieces, but I also know how obsessed I am becoming and it isnt healthy. I am my worst critic.

If it wasnt due a month away I would restart all the images. The mailing process alone is going take me 2 weeks to get it to the school as I am currently not in america. I don't understand how you take my saying I won't be changing anything to mean I can't take critiques.

I am no where struggling with the basics. I believe I have a good gasp of the human anatomy, porportions etc I know where I need more work, lights and my shading. Agent pretty much Hit it right on the nail.

And by the by I am a female agent =p

I am not saying I am giving up but........ the deadline is getting closer it is stime for ME personally to wrap up what I will be sending the school. Sorry if that offends anyone hehe


Metrini

[beechdbum]

ok i can understand not having time to change things and sorry for being alittle harsh were all a little over stressed right now, i guess i assumed you were posting your images to get some last minite cirts, so you can see where the confusion started on my part... anyways good luck with your application, where are you from btw

[winjer]

Whyd you do em all on wrinkled up nasty paper? Thats a major strike.

[beechdbum]

umm... why in gods name would that be a major strike, if it affects the portfolio at all i think it would be very minor.....

[winjer]

Im pretty sure that shows lack of care with your work. If you dont care enough to put the results of your hard work on some decent paper it doesnt speak highly of your seriousness.

[beechdbum]

im guessing she started on non wrinkled paper and somehow it got wrinkled, i seriosuly doubt it was a choice to start on wrinkled paper......

[agentJ]

Female? Well hey all the better!
:D


I dont want it to reach in late(January 14th) that is definitely the worst thing.

I have no problem taking critiques, feel free to say what you want about the pieces, but I also know how obsessed I am becoming and it isnt healthy. I am my worst critic.


I over nighted my app on Jan 14th :D Probally only reason why i didn't get in :|


I am my own worst critic as well. I've slowly realized the song Less than Jake - The Science of Selling Yourself Short has become my theme song. Seriously. I think every day I won't mke it. Regardless of how many times I think that I will! Uhg its like if I were painting there would always be this niche somewhere in my canvas. Damnit:\ It might be microscopic!! By it's still there. Damnit:d

As for me? The hell with being obsessed! I live and breath the school! See? I'm wearing their shirt right now! My car is blue. My room has a blue cube.

I'm obsessed. I think any more and I'll start painting blue perspective cubes on me and wlaking around parading the Ringling cube. Seriously. Maybe they make that into a tatoo.

Yeah don't tell me about being obsessed. I am:0 Oh and no all that stuff about my car and all, it just happened that way... I like blue... heh.

Just sing along! I'm the king of catastrpohe! I never thought I'd make it anyway! I'll sing along! Yeah with every emergency! I'm so far gone! That deep inside of me I think it's fine by me that I'm my own worst enemy!

Alright /end brain fart.



As far as paper. Well while I do say it may be a negative it may be also the scanner/digi as well. They're quite sensitive. Plus the fact that most scanners remove tones since graphite is so reflective (and wax) depending on what base color pencils/arcyllics or pencils you used.

I'm not going to rip on it. I think it's ok and we'll see what happens. You never know! And about that Janurary 15th deadline?

Fuck it.

I'm drawing until the bone on this one. Seriously. Perfecting anyway which way I can. Heh :)

Just have fun with it.

Uhg I wish I could take my own advice!

[Metrini]

The paper being crinkled comes from
a) the amount of time I put into the images. Believe it or not I spent vasts amount of time on each

b) I worked with the stuff I could find here. Like I said before I am not in america currently. I am in the caribbean.

If the school chooses to hold it against me then so be it. I could sit here and be worried for ages, it doesnt help.

It's ok Beach no hard feelings whatsoever =) I am in Trinidad.

For the last couple of months I have been worrying and stressing that everyone's work is far better than mine. Even to the point of being scared to even bother to apply. I got depressed etc. Then I slapped myself and said dont worry about what I have no control over. The final decision is up to the school.

I am trying to not send myself into a stupor over it.

Sorry again if my way of thinking offends anyone. I want in Ringling as badly as the next person, trust me I wont give up!!

[agentJ]

Your not the only one ;) I Live and breath it.

Darn school :\

[Dominie_Dirtch]

I just got a letter from Nancee Clark... The director of PreCollege... Reminding me that she is there to help, if I need it, for the application process... And then, very sneakily at the bottom:

P.S. Computer Animation has a firm application deadline of January 15th.

Thanks, Nancee.

[beechdbum]

yeah i got one of those couple days ago.... sad thing is i decided today to give myself more time, im going to keep making my portfolio for one week after my calarts app goes in make slides again...... then after that i have to do my risd portfolio requirments too...who knows maybe ill get good in 1 week :rolleyes:

[agentJ]

Push it to the bone.

[Velo]

AgentJ - Are you willing to drive a bit? I know of some nude figure drawing over here in CLW. I had a sheet with all of the places in the bay area listed (Clearwater, St.Pete and Tampa) but unfortunately I think it got thrown away. From what I remember your best bet may be the St.Pete Art Center, it is right in downtown St.Pete on Central. Every Sat morning they have open figure drawing from 9:30-12 for $6 (non-members). Dunedin Fine Art center offers figure drawing, but you have to sign up for 6 weeks worth and believe classes are during the day on a weekday. I did 6 weeks of classes there a long time ago and one of the models was a woman who was doing it as her 50th birthday present to herself... kinda funny, but she squirmed alot. Those two places are closest to me, I dont remember the rest... I know there are one or two in Tampa, but I dont remember if they are draped or not. I will email the guy who gave me the sheet and ask if he can send another, then let you know what I find out. :)


I haven't been all that interested in Ringling until this Saturday when I was down in Sarasota and visited the campus. It's nice! Not at all what I expected! I talked to a few students who were around and they made it sound great. In the office there was some nice illustration work and a few amazing figurative oil paintings by a CA major! Next year I may be trying to do this mad scramble... ;) All the info posted on this thread is certainly interesting!

[agentJ]

My lord another artist in Tampa! Or general area:\

Velo: University of Tampa host one from 2-4 pm on Saturdays - cost etc I dont know - I could call my professor and find out for sure but;\ I really need to throw in some figures. I'll try to get some Saturdays off and head on over. If you go please emai lme or whatever :) Be nice to meet up heh.

Very cool indeed Velo - are you a HS student still or anything? What's up?

/me resumes his journey to carpal tunnel syndrome

[Metrini]

welp after much much deliberation I have postponed my portfolio until Wednesday and remaking some of the images by demand of some certain people!! =p

More to come


metrini

OH also what do you guys think about photoshop to get rid of the excess paper in my case?

[agentJ]

I use photoshop to crop some images or mask it.

DO NOT TOUCH UP WITH PHOTOSHOP!

I dont recmmend i at least.

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/oldport/

There's my old Folio or

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/oldport/

I cant really post it since RR blocks it and it would be hectic to link all 15 orso images. Yes I can use an anonimizer but this way is just easier:p

:)

Wow I can't draw. Had I use a ruler or just stared longer or done something right..

uhg i sucked:P

i dnt even know how i got close.

Ah oh well. Any critiques welcome!

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Agent, post some of your new stuff... Steal a digital camera if you have to.

Here is a new one, just posted in the life drawing forum.

http://www.aphoticimage.com/newercrap/desiree1.jpg


Still not finished, so any feedback would be nice.

(My photo reference.) (http://www.aphoticimage.com/newercrap/desireeref.jpg)

[beechdbum]

post the photo you used as refernce.......

[undergroundkg]

well, i got a lettr that said they had recieved my application, but i will not know if im accepted until they review it after the 15th of january. do they review anyones stuff before january ? or does that mean im proly not going to make it ? the suspense is killing me!

[Velo]

Hmm, critique. AgentJ, I think the "outside view" and "under the bed" charcoal peices are too soft and fuzzy. Are they done with vine? Smuding is something everyone struggles with. You might go back in with a nice, tight pencil like Wolff's. I find the Wolf pencils to be much more smooth in the way they go onto paper, compaired to General's. Also, in your drawing of your mom I think the weakest part is the hair. Dark hair is hard to draw, but instead of thinking of drawing in each "strand" as a line, I would try to find groups or clumps and shade them like they are separate forms. The hair needs areas of core shadow and light showing it as a mass coming off the head. You did a better job of this in the old lady reading one. You could try taking your kneaded eraser and erasing out little highlights and adding more "clump" type forms. The difference in the way you've treated the shading of the hair and the shading everywhere else is too stark, try to bring the hair more in line with the rest.

Also, the "Toy Dog on Grapefruit" and to a lesser degree "Urn in the Abyss" I just dont think are very strong. You could go into the toy dog one and try to add texture so you can see the dog is plush and velvety and the grapefruit is sort of waxy and pitted. Otherwise... I would try to replace both with some figure drawing from life or more still lives like the glass object one.

Just one humble opinion, I haven't applied anywhere so make what you will of it. :)

As for the Sat. sessions, I plan to go through Christmas as long as I can get myself out of bed. :p Maybe I will see you there. I look pretty much like my avatar, so you should say hello if you see me!

[pibb991]

dont expect to hear anything until the end of february

[beechdbum]

they wait until the 15th untill all aplications are in before they start reviewing.... so basically everyone on this thread will all get there status in the same couple a days....

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Mailed my application package out today... Time to hold my breath for a couple of months.

[xHUNTERx]

ok guys, this is my first time posting. I'm not done with the porfolio yet. but these are some works that I've worked on in the last few months. some of these works are not going to be in my final portfolio. I'm trying to finish as much as possible before the next porfolio day (jan 17th) so i can have more showcase works for the admission officers. hope i can get some constructive feedback. Ringling CA is one of my top choices, however, i'm still deciding on which school i'm going to go, but the decision will come after the porfolio is done.

myself:
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/self-portrait.jpg

graphic design.
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/business-card.jpg
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/font-design.jpg

CG work:
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/final_stretched.jpg

clothed figures:
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/clothed-man.jpg
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/clothed-man-2-wip.jpg (WIP, still lots to work on)

hands study:
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/hands-study.jpg

still life:
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/scene-study.jpg
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/cloth-study.jpg

random sketch book pages:
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/sketchbook.jpg
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/sketchbook-2.jpg
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/sketchbook-3.jpg

figure drawing i did over this summer:
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/unclothed-lady.jpg
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/unclothed-lady-2.jpg
http://www.unlimitedmatrix.com/portfinal/unclothed-man.jpg
I did these figure drawings over the summer, which was a few months before of my more recent works, so these works are not really on par with the others in terms of quality. Because of this i'm still debating whether if i should include it or not.

sorry for the quality of these pictures, had to use my crappy casio ex-s2. Pictures doesnt represent original work quality :)

the server is kinda slow, so please be patient, can someone tell me where can i get fast picture host?

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Hunter: Excellent work man, looking at these drawings... I'd say you will have no trouble getting in to the art school of your choice.

Definitely include those figure drawing. Undraped figure drawing is a must have, and those drawing look good, regardless of how old they are.

That's all I have time to say right now, later.

[agentJ]

Very cool mahn!
Alright lets check this out xHUNTERx

myself: Beutifully constrcuted. Major points on defining light and shadow, good hair work for what it is (im not distracted by the fact its a bit rough since the entire image is, thus harmony:D = teh good) The nice is good, eyes and all. VIt shws control. If I had anything bad to say I would say cleano n the right side of the flap (or your left side as it is mirrored;P). And maybe define the left side under your chin where the shadow is. Make your neck darker (you did it right udner the chin but not under the cheeks) so that it comes out and makes sense. power = good

Otherswise very well constructed. kudos:)

I'm very unskilled when it comes to graphic design, so for what its wo rth I like it:)

You CG Work is impresive. The fact you mention (and probally hsould include) Pencil draft then PS7 render shws you have commitement to finish from start to finish designing a character and giving it life and such. Technically thats good and a big +1 to real world skills (sorry too much SWGalaxies in me:) However i dont know how theyll coutn this :\ I would include it for the fun of it but dont make it a primary piece, somethign secondary


Your clothed figures are very nice indeed. Proportions and such is secondary when it comes to rendering and control of your pencil - and for that I like it quite a bit (no im not saying your porportions are off/bad but the foot on the clothed-man looks a bit wierd - nothign dtracting though but it seemes less worked on compared to the detail on the rest - the left leg isa bit short to oit seems, and doesnt balance well on the stool,. but that isnt something to worry aobut now, just more planning or whatever:\ trying nto be an ass here but i think i am :| )


i love the clothing folds etc. aestheticaly I would say you need throw in an overall shadow as to give your picture depth on clothed-man.jpg. just in thel egs. it seems too flat to me. therei s no consistent shadow on the shadowed area of the legs - nothing big though. VERY cool rendering of the jacket and face and espicially that shirt. very nice and smoth, and clearly forthcoming. the hands too. kudos man!

CLothed man 2 wip is nice. Again I undetrstand you said WIP, but for what it is i liek it. The shadow thing is again apparently here, theres no overall sub surface scattering of light on your pants (jeans from what i get are crosshatched so light bounces in trails..thus places are ligehr than others:D) - it actually makes your pants look like choclate :D But none the less the attention to detail is good. The left hand has the W fingers, and the middle two throw me off, i dont really know why. Im not bothered by any other problems if theyre there. cool stuff :)

Your hand studies are very accurate. Maybe getting rid of that contour you have still showing on top the right hand.. but for what it is its quite accurate. I lvoe how you noticed shadows correctly bouncing on the lefth and, and leaving a tiny highlight, that shows accuracy of your skill and attention to detail big + there ;D

your wrist seems to fade off but its still pretty good, just darken in so it makes sense

one thing I encountered when goign to Ringling and showing off my hand drawings is that they felt empty, as if floating. So now im doing a hand drawing with a shadow on the paper to give it depth and balance it against something. I dontthinkwe have to but :)

Scene study is by far one of your strongest pieces. detail is spread everywhere and I have no big crits on it. you achieve everythign that was needed. some peculiar things you did were cool too: like lining out the glass' contour and bringing it out . the only thing is that apple on the top (i hiope its some produce:d) the leave is a bit indistinguishable.. it seems odd or too rough. this is a part of art where you must do more than what reality shows because your medium is limited. so add some highlights or soften it to bring it out more.

Excellent job on the curtains btw :)

Your cloth study is cool. It seems a bit wierd since its unifinished in some areas, so mask it if you send it in. But very well controlled and very cool. Lovely stuff man. I am a bit skeptical on the middle line that runs down. on the left are some shadows that clearly define it, where as on the right it seems light and unfinished. dont know what your trying to achieve with it (tone?) but just do soemthing with that line, it throws me off a bit, maybe a drp shadow (even if one doesnt exist?) :d

Your sketch book pages are supplemental - but lets say theres two guys. you and him. he has your same work but no sketch book pages, and you do. you win. at least thats how i undetrtand it:D Becuase they show gesture, control of feeling and a stab at 3Dc ontrol with no reference, you get big plusses. espicially the angled one. Good times man. Send it in i say!

You unclothed lady is awesome. Sure there is no face but therei s some good control there. The only thign that puzzles me is the left hip/illium/ischium and the upper femur. it looks a bit wierd, the shadow doesnt follow too right. i dont know how it was but it seems it should run down the middle and i think you may hyave confused tone and perpindicular light with shadow (something I did) Maybe throw in a eye level ground plane there (should be around the middle of the tibia) so it seems stab (looks a bit wierd just standing there) or maybe some shadow on the feet, so it seems like its stand and not floating:D

Unclothed lady two rocks.

Uncvlothed man scares me :p
jk;) same thing, throw a ground plane and clena up a bit. very cool. Again your accute sense of where shadows and their effects on other volume is supreme. good shizzit:\

over all your kicking my ass so thats a plus right?

Good times, I expect to see you at RIngling :D (even if i dont make it:P) Cool and very well controlled. dont nag it on yourself you did good ;) Hats off and all. Good luck!

Huzzah!

[Velo]

Woa AgentJ! What a nice, detailed critique. Would you care to wonder over to a thread of my life drawings from last semester: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12958 (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12958) and lay some if that on me? ;) :D

[beechdbum]

hey hunter you got some nice stuff, nothing really new to add casue agentj basically wrote you an essay, just wondering where your from cause i know the portfolio day on the 17th is in san fran.

*edit ok you couuld also be from new orleans area too cause they got a portfolio day same time*

[agentJ]

Velo gave me your AIM:)

sure. Gotta restart comp tho:| ! I'll be back!

[xHUNTERx]

beechdbum, you know me. lol. Alex from admissions academy.

[Velo]

Sent PM AgentJ. :)

[beechdbum]

hey. now it really is a smal world, guess i kinda showed you this place though huh, so you finally decided CA of GD, well goodluck with your app

[wassermelone]

Huh... I totally forgot I had posted here.

I AM pleased with my art nowadays. I know its not "asstastic". But... my portfolio was. Since I don't think I even know where it is, I guess it will just be my word for it. All of my still lifes were in an unfinished stage... some of them were just sketched. And... as I said before... I did not include ANY life drawing!

But, of course I am just stating what happened to me. It is of course in your best interest to try your hardest on your portfolio.

-toasty =)

[sparky | emily]

I haven't been here in a long time. Now I'm applying to schools (Ringling amoung them - or I wouldn't be posting in this thread, eh?) Here are five peices from my portfolio. I took a picture of a sixth one, but it didn't turn out so well, reflections off the pencil, and all that. Oh well, the slides of it turned out decent and that's all that really matters I guess.

anyway, here's what I've done (sorry the pictures aren't that great, the slides looked better, but I can't get out the slide projector to take pictures from right now):

a giant aquarium (arches from life, fish from reference):
http://www.adventuredog.net/images/portfoliofish.jpg

a robin from life, oil pastel:
http://www.adventuredog.net/images/portfoliorobin.jpg

a figure rolling - i've got loads of figure:
http://www.adventuredog.net/images/portfolioroll.jpg

a still life:
http://www.adventuredog.net/images/portfoliovase.jpg

a figure standing with a chair:
http://www.adventuredog.net/images/portfoliochair.jpg

[Dominie_Dirtch]

I recognize those from PreCollege! I was impressed with your work. :) No time for critiques now, I'm sure Agent will have something to say though...

[beechdbum]

hey emily glad to see you join the forums.... if you want some crits just ask me next time your on aim

thought i would post me latest figure drawing in to get your opinion http://www.beechdbum.com/figure1.jpg

[sparky | emily]

thanks Kyler (you are kyler, right?)

hey Ben. I belonged ages ago, before I ever went to PreCollege, but I haven't been here in ages. Forgot how much cool work there is here. :)

[agentJ]

Originally posted by Dominie_Dirtch
I recognize those from PreCollege! I was impressed with your work. :) No time for critiques now, I'm sure Agent will have something to say though...

Yeah. Right:D I'm busy drawing my folio (FINISHING UP AHHHG WHY WONT IT EVER ENENDNDNENNDNDNDD!!) I'm sorry. (goes off to explode).

I got a digital camera. I've slacked off since LOTR day and I jsut can't take it any more. Oh well :) LET THE CRITS bEGIN! (I should crit my own work hehe)

sparky | emily. lets see.

A Giant Aquarium (is that Sea World or Disney's Ocean whatever in Orlando? looks familiar)

Very cool (and interesting) piece. A sense of mass is somewhat achieved (more on this later) and your lines are kept real good (in such a hard project, I compliment you on actually trying to kepe them straight - i would have curved it uninitenionaly) Good fading (plus the face there is glass and refraction) and still keeping the water in there. The water itself is quite nicely done, I noticed on some fish you actually added a dark or light glow around them depending on depth. VERY GOOD! its just some eye tricks (some name, not fresnel but some name). The fish themselves are good. However theyre a bit to odark (you struggle to bring them out because the picture as it is is already different colors, plus the fact your translatingcolor to black and white, accounting for light , refract, glow, depth, blur, some person o nthe bottom) So while I say A) the fish needs work, I say, in greater voice mind you, B) You did your best trying it.

Recoomendations? Fix your tone. You greyed your image too much because you wanted to achieve both color, and light. Your medium is limited. So limit yourself (it hurts, I know). Suggestions? I would have made it white and built down (dark and building out is quite hard for this piece unless you're very profiecient with white charcoal) or some similiar media). For example, the fish would all be almsot gesture like, onl ythe bottoms withany detail whatso ever and bleed it off to the top (let the eye Finish the rest). THe background would have been hard and this leaves for problems. FOr example I would have drawn the receding black, but I would have had so much contrast AS it is arleady on fish that the front pillars and such would be white. it would seem wierd but with some bledning the effect would be nicely achieved. This now leaves a somewhat white area for your glass, so work on refracting light (dont worry about reflections unless some major soft reflections occur, like the man. if there was 15 ppl in front of the tank i would have drawn one for time constraints - if any existed - plus they move:D) The refraction would have been lights (2H, F at the most) To get some variations - This means I wouldn't have REALLY draw the top right pillars where the top rim of thw water is present (although i would repsent it iw ouldnt fully draw it)

now you have an odd image but the sameeffect of water is achieve. It reduces the greyness problem, (which makes it seem to cluttered and unpleasing both to you as an artist and the viewer) and fix the top left where you cant tell where the rim of the wall is. Smal lthigns like this se em to take away:|

As for massiveness: Crop it. i would. dont show that black streakon the right or the end of the pilalr for that matter. make it ocme out at you


Ouch :D


Oil Raven is very nice. A bit rushed however and this comes off very fast. Oil you work from Dark to Light, so lay down your shadows and foundations and bring them out (acryllic is light to dark). Its hard. but :) And yes i know they're pastels.

Choose a clos eup version, maybe of the eye, and focus on that, many details wil lbe simple hash marks. again let the eye finish it.


A quick note, I'm criting this as if you wanted to beome a professional artist (hrm) - not to get into RSAD (hrm?) because i dont know really what they look for. So an RSAD critqieueir:p would say "hey its good ont worry) but I say fix this or that, not t be offensive but. Who knows what works but something might! just gotta be lucky.

By far your figure drawing is your strongest. Plus your patience (if anything dont include the bird however since the quick lines show rushed work). It shows quick studies of light, shadow, proportion and capturing the person.

Dont worrya bout detail. Complete a figure drawing. take howver long you need just ifnish it. The minute you make a streak, leave it. For exmaple - portfolioroll.jpg - that left frame is great, just finish it by adding a drop shadow and such.

good stuff

Again do close up work it s eems you like quick details so maybe doing close up work wil lbe easier becasue theres so much quick things you can throw in. Then again the opposite converse is true, do far away work where details are minimum and less time. whichever works. It jsut comes off to me liek you dont want to do fully fledge figures - I hope im not offending you :|


Uh change that. Portfolio Vase is your strongest. No big crits. I like it. Good shadow tone and everything control. :)


Portfolio chair rocks too. DO more! :D

Very cool in dedd man I like it all:D Good luck and HUrrah!

:)


damn beechdbum :p

That drawing of yours is sick:)

[sparky | emily]

thanks for the critique man! It was helpful. :) The robin looks quick because it was. That robin was sitting outside while I was drawing something else. I drew it before it flew away.

I really like that figure Ben.

[agentJ]

Yeah it's very hard to draw quick things like that. Usually (blah worn off a professor onto me :D) I dont like drawing real life unless its in front of me. Truthfully i dont care. What I do sometimes is layout thigns in a language form, quick shadows, soft shadows, set up patterns - just set stuff up for things that are wuick liek that. but even then.. its jsut better to look at a photograph. Its not bad if the object moves around, then you just adjust for shadows and light hitting but at least you can reference the skin curves etc. Ive never REALLY tried drawing an animal, just pictorials. so :)

Good times though:D


==

Gotta take apart computer this weekend . Wil lbe down for some time (HD is acting up). /me waves at all

be back soon! more time to draw :D

[wassermelone]

Actually the arches in her Giant Aquarium drawing (very nice by the way) is at Ringling. I recognize them because I drew them 3 or 4 times in Perceptual Systems while doing perspective. The are on the side of the Cafeteria where it means the new building (I can never remember what that thing is called... its not like anyone uses it).

-toasty =)

[agentJ]

Oh hehe cool :d

[sparky | emily]

I always hear that it's better to draw from life because then you get more experience with flattening the objects yourself, rather than having the picture flatten them for you.

edit: I was just rereading your critique, agent, and you say that doing stuff in a hurry isn't great, but my figures show patience. Just a note: I did each figure in under a minute. :)

I'll probably post some more of my work to get more critiques. Thanks again for the detailed critique, it's always nice when someone spends that much time on your work. :)

[agentJ]

Hrm! interesting indeed;D i apologize. I think I subconciouslly equate patience with.. care? I know you did those pretty fast and for it was you achieved the goal.

What I tend to look down on is people (uhg please dont think its you) who seriously hash scratch stuff in. One thing (I DID!) was hair, wher e iwould just scribble more or less to the death of my wrist hair. Its black so makei t black!!

AHhgg:\

Then I read
http://www.sibleyfineart.com/tutorial--draw-hair.htm


Its fun now :)

[the good war]

hi i too am paranoid of failure stressed over the approaching deadline... there should be more ringlings or something perhaps a franchise
last year i applied and was placed on the waiting list and they told me to look elsewhere because i was so high on the list but i decided to take a year off and i think it has been a good decision but i am now ready to be pushed by instructors or whom ever keeping your self motivated can be hard ecspecially when the first thing you see when you wake up is that drawing youve been working on for the longest time. drawing hair sucks! i d be glad to hear whatever comments you think would help . i am goin to make some hand studies and finish a cg head then ill be done maybe
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/wrpackagesmlcopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/skelletoncopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/shirtsmallcopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/packagesmlcopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/musclemanlowcopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gorillapencillow.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gamecomp.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/frog2copy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fincgrlcopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/drugdoc.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/drowndcopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/christmaslowcopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/backgroundsmlcopy.jpg


edit:
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/25minfigstudycopy.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gorilladetailsmlcopy.jpg
i talked to an admissions counsler and she said my figure drawings were good but not the best so i should keep them to a minimum abd a note to everyone they said contrast was very impotant so i went back and adjustsed some of the levels on my work and darkend areas of some images by hand

[Metrini]

The images are pretty cool but no figure drawings??

[agentJ]

the good war I am in your same situation. I came in 5th on the waitlist and ended up 2nd (after people dropped). Grr :) Ill give a critique later :D A bit woozy now:d

[the good war]

thanks i hope that woozy isn't a new years eve woozy:)

[Dominie_Dirtch]

The skeletoncopy and the shirtsmallcopy freaking intimidate me. :eek:

[beechdbum]

well i turned in my calarts application today just trying to finish up one last still life before i sumitt to ringling but i could basically call myself done if i have to. Ill post up my entire portfolio later on when i get some free time, but untill then heres the 3d fish i just finished remaking, think there was a link to the early version somewhere on this thread
http://www.beechdbum.com/3dFish.jpg

the good war: thats some nice stuff there, no real crits popping out at me so a leave that up to agent's legendary essays. what software are you using for your 3d models?

[the good war]

Dominie_Dirtch sorry but i had tons of art classes in high school so i had alot of time to work on nice still lifes. in my senior year i had only 2 academic classes... only 2 hours of actual art classes a day but with study halls...thanks i think


hey beech bum for the fins on your fish did you use the same opacity map for the bump map? probally eh anyways i like it it looks like something pixar would make. i would have lowered the nose a little more but cool stuff. for my 3d stuff i use max. max was the first program i got and i want to aviod learning maya until college because i don't want to be bored learning it again

[Famboozled]

that is some incredible work you have good war!

sorry to barge in like this but it looks like most of you are

preparing your portfolios, im doing the exact same thing, i

was wondering if someone could critique my work i just

started working on my portfolio right after my junior year

ended, havent stopped working since, but im afraid that i

wont be able to make it. Oh yea Im planning to apply to

art center and Rhode Island school of design mostly going

for an industrial design or entertainment design major.

Could someone critique my portfolio? most of it is already

posted in my daily sketch book thread in my signature.

[beechdbum]

for the transperncy map it is acc a modification of the bump map, they acc have many differneces justmost are to hard to see cause there to small. why do you ask btw?

Famboozled ill go check out your daily sketch and try to post some crits there, what part of the bay area are you from?

[the good war]

i was wondering because i always try to think of how i would create something
famboozled- i would focus on create flowing curves your art as awell as mine tends to reduce curves into a series straight lines
i really like the pictures you've chosen the extreme perspectives will draw your audience in and make your art stick out among the rest but as i said earlier there seem to be some problems with your ellipses like the gears and the tire seem to conflict with each other
i really like your robots they remind me of the concept art from final fantasy the movie
for the finished peices i would try to smooth out some of the shaded areas
i would be interested in seeing some paintings from you because it seems that your imaginative drawings tend to capture the geometry of the objects but less of the surface properties or texture and i think your shading style is painterly so perhaps if you paint your subjests you could get some really nice brush stokes in there like jon foster and painting would force you consider the way light works more so your shading might become more realistic but dont delegate alll of yur time just to painting those figure studies are valuable
the fig studies are much better thatn mine some of the porportions are a little off and i would adjust the levels because some of the fig studies are kind of light and hard to see
as for neo tokyo i would first study the subjest in depth or at least make a few studies from photos because you will start to learn some great detail that will give yuor city a sense of validity

[Famboozled]

thank you so much for your critiques beechdbum and good war. I will greatly consider your suggestions and comments, you dont know how much appreciate your critiques, my art teacher doesnt guide me much and doesnt critique my work that often... so this is really helping me.

good war, are those still lifes or photo references?

o yea i live in mountain view, its about 30 mins away from san jose

heres some other portfolio work:

still life
http://www.jawesome.net/tommy/100_0100.JPG
still life
http://www.jawesome.net/tommy/101_0101.JPG
still life
http://www.jawesome.net/tommy/101_0102.jpg

[beechdbum]

:famboozled: hey im acc from los altos just put up san jose cause i didnt think any one on here would no where it was, as for your still life pieces looks to me like your color theory is failry good and your paper towel is very well done, i was told that one of the most important things about still lifes is composition, in your vegtable cheese painting there are things bringing in your eye from the left going towards the right but nothing in the right side is really pulling you into the drawing, im sorry to say cant really offer you any advice on how to improve your composition skills as it is something i myself am currently having troube with so just something to think about and like i said before im no expert on composition so i could be wrong

[the good war]

i would check the laces on the football or closely evaluate the curves on the football because it looks kind of deformed
i agree with beechdbum the 1st one is very good
in the second image it seems as if you have not correctly shown the forshortening on the bottom shoe it appears smaller than the shoe laying on top the sphere coming out of the frame is a bit of a weakness for the composition i think
is the third watercolor? i got feedback from my teachers but i had to ask sometimes toward the end of my senior year i nearly forgot i had anyone that could help me so go up to the teachers and ask them:D
as for refernces it matters what you are talkin about skell,shirt,pack,fig and a couple others were from life some where photo refs one was a mixture and some were purely from imagination

[Famboozled]

thank you once again for your critiques, yea the shoe still life does look a bit odd, it was one of my first pieces i did for my portfolio.

I see what youre talking about beechdbum thank you, i think i might try and soften the values.

los altos, pretty small world eh :D, which high school do you attend?

[the good war]

anybody in milwaukee?
AGENTJ... how have i failed? please tell me:D

[Hett15]

Well i think I'm going to apply for the illustration department. Thanks to some good advice found here and on other sites. By the way i was wondering what are class schedules like at Ringling? Generally do you have classes in the mornings, afternoon, evenings or is it spread out however you like it. I am in college now so I know that there are different times for different classes, but i was wondering if i would be able to hold down a part time job between 8am-6pm a few days a week. I've been gone for awhile but i checked out some of you stuff you guys are submitting and it looks good. This is a great site. Thanks to all you alumni and students that share your experiences with the rest of us. Happy New Year!

[agentJ]

I've had the flu the last couple days and then had a relapse of it on Sat night (DOOM) Ive been basically asleep since Thursday Morning (man that was a rough night, i couldnt stop goign to the bathroom - when i get the flu I GET THE FLU) :|

Plus my HD crashed, so today represents the first day of me being on. Just gotta isntall some sutff etc. It's 2 in the morning man. No you ahvent failed :D Ive just slept. Oh and drawing too. :)

[beechdbum]

that sucks agent, i had the same thing happen to me couple weeks ago... I had the flu and i lost two weeks work on the fish i posted not to mention a 20 page film journal on 15 movies i had been keeping since the begining of the semester that was due in a week .

ill be sending my portfolio off tommorow morning right after i pick up my slides, is any one else out there still working?

[agentJ]

Diligantly am. REinstalling most of today I just finished. Taking pictures, developing and sending this weekend. God save the newbie. Like me:D

I pray now. ;)

[agentJ]

Oh.


Shit. its due NEXT thursday?

/me grabs the gun.


Ok here's my situation I haven't done shit. TOday I sketched, set up my computer cleaned my room and played HALO for hours because I missed it.


Tomorrow?

Non stop drawing

Till I die

Oooo. I'm slacking and it's hurting. I'm takign these pictures On Thursday because thats when My sister is off. GRRR and Friday again with my professor (plus a review). Oh damn this is going to hurt.

As far as I can remember I've done like 600,000 pieces. NO not really. But Ive done al ot. All of which I hate and think suck and blow. But this is my New Years resolution: DO IT AND DO WORRY AND GET INTO RINGLING (ok so its 3). So guess what?

I have 11 pieces that I think are great.

All figure drawing but 1. A collage (well painted collage) - which is actually a figure itself. :D

I dislike wokring from Photographs since I rather learn hwo to flatten myself, and studying of shadows etc myself. Cameras tend to blur and lose many small intricies such as skin folds, viens etc that a very well trained eye can catch. I miss looking at the cute naked asian girl at our figure drawing class.

Damn.

I have hundreds of excercises I've done as well. All of which are.

Excercises. I'm skeptical I dont want to send those in.

Hell I'm touching up drawings well into the night; I'm over the flu I NEED to do this.


Again like all of you I FEEL liek I have NO CHANCE what so ever going in. Although I have some observations I like to make. One is I had roughly this same feeling before my AP Calc 3 exam. Of absolute failure. I got a 5. Highest you can get. Hrmm. Also last year I came in 5th o nthe waitlist for A) rushing B) having no figures (well real) C) no training and D) defintely no eye for art. oh and E) RUSHING . 1 hour drawings, 3 was pushing it. Now that I've done like 6-15 hour works (18 now i thin kis the record) I think I might have a shot

I dont know though.

I'm scared on the inside but I'm clearing it away. Fools hope my friends Fools hope.

I have never critiqued myself like I did here to you all. Liek a dentist not willing to diagnose himself I take the same stand.

I also must admit lately iI have NOT focused fully on Ringling. Gaming, sleep, or just generally ignoring it. It has begun to slip, which is something that happened last year (for one I didn't WNAT to go to Ringling, I loathed against it but that's a seperate story I'll tell you all if I ever get in :)
I think since letting go of some of the focus the burden it has had on my shoulders has decreased. I've become a bit free.. But still.

I'm scared


Here's my stand though.

If I don't make it this year.

I'll try the next. Or Art Center. I don't care really. SCAD for god's sake.

I'm pushing it. I really am.

God help me.

[wassermelone]

Hett15:
The Ringling schedule works like this: the day is broken up into 3 hour blocks. Freshman classes are approximately 3 hour blocks. I know some classes in later years are 6 hour blocks... although I think that is rare.

The first block starts at 8:30 with the fourth block ending at 9:45. More than likely your busiest day will only take 3 blocks.
Monday classes are also on Wednesday, Tuesday classes are also on Thursday and Friday classes are only once a week.

First semester Freshman year your schedule is randomly picked although if you know what your doing you can have it somewhat changed at the registrars office in the first week of classes.

-toasty =)

[the good war]

hey agentj sounds like evrything is going in you favour 5th last year now with an entire year to practice yo have to get in man show us some of your new stuff so we can help you out
oh yeah beechdbum im still working i am manufacturing top secret stuff real hush hush:D

[agentJ]

Arhhgg day two of touching up an finish ups.

The problem i think is I have only 10 drawings i REALLLLLLLLLLLy like. The rest are

uh.. yeah.

Although on those 10 like 4 of them took 12 some hours, 1 around liek 18.. its.. I dont know hwo to say it just i think I need more because 10. you know.. wow.

So ill include and draw a few more. IVe yet to do a very nice still life that I will include (except of course the one I did of my room). I may just do one. Something complicated.

I'm pushing it to the bone guys. I fear I may nto make it in. ;)

[WeirdAl]

blargh I need to get my ass in gear, I planned to have my portfolio all together by sunday but United Express decided to send the suitcase I had all of my figure drawings in to god knows where and I just got them back today. Ill post some of my stuff up soon so you people can tear it to shreds hehe. Really wish I had spent less time in the CA lab and more time actually working on my drawing conclusions work (which turned out awful), would've been nice to have a few decent peices from that class but oh well. My moto about it is pretty much whatever happens happens. Looks like theres alot of competition, good luck to everyone applying.

[agentJ]

Yeah tons of competition whihc worries me auhhgg. Good luck in deed, one of you is bound to get in, and if you do you took my spot! AHG! :p I'm just kidding =p In all seriousness though its eating me alive again. Just got off with Metrini and I think she's falling apart too. but me. I'm crumbing. Gotta remember I've been rejected once already :|

*Cries*

Whatever does happen happens. Mind you I say I'm not worry but it is STILL in my head and wont go away and trust me, it DOES HURT. AUhhgg. I feel like exploding.

WierdAl I was in your EXACT SAME POSITION last year except I sent it on the last day, overnighted just once (and had it written off to track the package). So at least it didnt go to the wrong place first :D

But yeah.

Man this hurts. Really. I'm goign to draw more tomorrow. I need to draw. I have nothing else now.

[the good war]

drawing for a short amount of time has helped me more as an artist than modeling for a long period of time, too many technical aspects get in the way of growth. last year i sent my portfolio in the day before it was due overnight it was like 14 bucks and i later found out that it only needs to be post marked the day of te deadline so that was a waste of money but i guess i made me feel a little more secure. but in the end i was rejected anyway... use that pain of regetion to grow as it festers inside you as well as me, use it as the fuel for your neurotic passion for art- try to understand that some of these judges might not know what they are talking about also because my friend and i went to portfolio day together and we both visited cooper union both going to differnt representatives for the school and we both recieved entirely differnt reviews and advice as too what they were looking for so just because you or i did not get in does not mean we are inferior just that we did not appeal to those particular judges tastes as much
if i sound pretentious im sorry

[Metrini]

hehehe agent! My stuff has already been sent so it's just the waiting now to endure. Good luck to you all!

[undergroundkg]

wow these examples of portfolios are getting better and better.... i will most likely get rejected now that i see all this but o well
heres a textured render of the feng zhu concept im working on and a dragon head... its all 3d tho :(

http://www.purgatory.net/joe/165.jpg
http://www.purgatory.net/joe/d2.jpg

[the good war]

those are fantasic good work and good luck

[agentJ]

There's always SCAD :P And Art Center! :) I speak of evileth! i know.

Its a whole mess of blues. BUt really what can we do. Its really as the good war says, up to the judges to decide if we'll ever make it. Yauuhhggg. Well I'm goiing to go draw some more. Cya on the other side


Mistake yesterday, I have "12"!!!!!!!! Pieces I like. my 13th piece is a repeat. AUhhghgggg..

Well its one of hte 12 in color :)

[otbot]

As far as Candace's port folio goes. I know her and she's pretty hard working so she must have had a high gpa to back her up.

But the thing about Ringling is- is that in entrance portfolios they give you so much leeway(sp) and are really light on you because you can improve a lot but you have to show them proof of potential and of how much a work-a-holic you are(gpa) probably. But like i said they are lenient.

I'm sure this has been killed to death. Portfolio should be 80% life drawing and show explorations of a variety of media. But if you draw semi-photographically- with whatever medium- by all means include your best life work. Its a traditional school so that's what they look for 1st, traditional skills. then gpa to gauge how much you work.

and if you don't make it don't fret- just practice drawing and painting for another year at a community college. if your not ready now you're not ready right now. - besides i think about 1/4 of the students are non traditional/transfer students anyways. Plus you'll have a def advantage over the 1st yr college folks cause you can take a heck of a lot more elective classes if your credits transfer.

Good lucks folks and don't lose too much sleep.
-oth

---------------------------

http://www.rsad.edu/~kkhotsim/
this is somewhat new work but it has a link to my old work which i took the best of to apply to rsad. i definitely improved a lot.

[RefrigeratorCo]

I sent in 5 still life drawings that I did the night before and then about 20 pages from my sketchbook. Then I had one peice which I did in my crappy HS art class.

My sketch books where all figure drawings that I had done out of my head. It was all made up people walking around and doing random crap like shooting each other and jumping ect.

I'de just put in what they said you had to do (the still life stuff and the essay) and then put whatever you feel is your strength. They say don't put more then 15 peices but I easily had 25. Sketch books with gestures, perspective, figure drawing, portraits, life drawings, ect are realy realy good.

If you want some advice, I'de take the history and writting classes over this summer. If you take them at Ringling it will cost 10x as much and they are pretty stupid. I hated writting research papers and studying for history tests instead of going to FEWS (figure drawing club). Also other students already had these and they were allowed to take elective like Intro to GIC and 2nd year history... So they had a nice advantage and they paid a lot less money.

GL HF

[agentJ]

AHHH!!!

I'm done!! And Damnit I'm going to make it! I am!

Pictures taken tomorrow. Development tomorrow. Send this Friday.

;)

[agentJ]

Pictures taken - development today - I see the slides tomorrow:D

[undergroundkg]

just got an email that they have my stuff and if i have questions to email them back and now i must wait!

[agentJ]

YEAHH!!

Photos DONE. Developing, NOW!!! I get it tomorrow, send it off tomorrow ( did anyone send in prints or is everyone al ldoing slides? )

I was consdering pritns but. Slides it is for me as of now.

I'm quite happy. 12 final pieces and 12 supplemental sketches (whcih I as of NOW don't want to include but maybe one or two - but I've recently opened up to this idea because so many of the guys in already sent in so many extra sketch book sketches and it sounds interesting to do)

Any thoughts/crits on sending in sketchbook photos (well slides) ?

[the good war]

i am going to send in a cd with images on them last year i made a web page but that might have been difficult to navigate so im just goring to place about 15 pictures and an ingame movie on the cd and send it in it's probably more about the art than the packaging thats what ilm says and clay said that is what he did

by the way oth your stuff is amazing

[beechdbum]

i sent in slides and prints so i had all areas covered :D agent you ever going to show us your new stuff?

[agentJ]

If i get it on slide - today then i hope, Ill scan the slides :D


Beechdbum what size prints did you send in?

Thegoodwar: I spent like an hour today reviewing your work and then IE died.

!#*()

:| Goign on earlier: No you didn't fail in fact I think you passed in! :D You have a careful balance of work what you post and it would be a shame if YOU DIDNT get in. Although again I worry there's few figures in it I doubt it wil ltake away too much. Keeping the rux of your work drawings and some digital paintings might actually help

Throughout all your work I did have one crit however. It seemed overexposed, to contrasted, or bright. There was no dilenation or gradation of shadows, even if intentionally done, that allowed the eye flow through the images. Gorilla and shirtsmall were some examples. They're all very well done but form couldn't REALLLy be followe because it seemed where you're drawing is where the light was coming from (maybe you have spot lights on yoru eyes? :p j/k) One more thing is you included really dark next to really light - on the shoulder of body builder. That wasn't bad at all and used for effectreally, but it made the shoulder seem odd right at the bicep. Almost like puzzle pieces:d careful because you don't want to give the impression you don't know your lights and darks either. But I dont think it will take away from any of you work at the very most. It was all very well done and should easily get you in, but I'm just a bit worried about how bright it was. That's more of a crit to improve as an artist however. :D

We'll se but I was all proud of your work, indeed sick stuff.

[the good war]

agentj- that sucks that happened to me before too thanks for the time
good notes i guess i just went too far with my attempt at capturing as much contrast i could
im going to put this into my portfolio as well as some hand studies and i am going to attempt to draw my sister as she sleeps shhhhhh...
this one probally lacks contrast too much meh
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/drjoncopy.jpg


this is going to be one of 4 pages i comp together to show my sketch book
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/skhands.jpg

[agentJ]

Auhgg. Being troubled by the whole Disney thing and Legacy. aHh well not really - it doesn't effect me at al but I feel like I should care right? :P

Scanned my slides. They look ok scanned I guess. Auhgg I'm not proud of any of these:| EEK I'm going to get in!! Must think positive!

Here they are:D
I tried to increase the size on some of these to nhorrible results - but they're slides so I bear with it. Enjoy!

[note: I'm having problems having these laod at all, just hit refresh]
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0008.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0009.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0010.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0011.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0012.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0013.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0014.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0015.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0016.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0017.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0018.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0019.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0020.jpg

This is me btw:D Two things here. Sketchpad's point of view (mm:0) or me after breaking my window.. :)

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0021.jpg
came out bad, brother from side. (err rotated too) :|

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0022.jpg
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0023.jpg

my sister saw this and said thats what i looked like for 5 months. I guess she's right

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0024.jpg

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/folioRWARH/scan0025.jpg

Njoy:) Crits yelligns etc welcome!

I dont like them. At all. None of them. But I do! Oh god help me! I will to get in :)

Uhgg I'm losing my head over this. I'm sending it off tomorrow

[the good war]

my god man if you don't get in i never will those are amazing, ultimate quality and a great deal of quantity
damn my god...... time to rush to even be comparable with you. truly fantastic portfolio just what they are looking for the traditional skills of still lifes
thank you man you just raised the bar like six notches i have to try to catch up our i will fail


crits

in 11 i don't know if you were going for a fish eye lens effect but his head seems to be fallowing differnt perspective rules than the rest of his body it seems kind of large

20 looks like someone took alittle off the top of his head but then i may be wrong and that was how the pic looked

in 22 i would have added something very dark like a gradient or something by the hand on the left to balance out the composition a bit more the right hand looks like the indentation may be a bit extreme and the values seem to be a bit extreme for human skin because light refracts underneath the skin giving it a soft falloff

23 is too perfect you have to work on that your making the rest of us look bad

in 9 the line around the eye is too strong and if i were trying to stick too realism i would avoid placing any lines in the drawing. i dont know if the process of making the pics into slides left out some of the lighter shadows but i would try to capture the values of the radiosity light in the scene

in 16 i think the mans facial features seem to be squashed into the lower region of his head i think it is manly his jaw line but as everthing there may be reasons for this like his jaw was corroded another thing that may be the reference would be the size of the ears but seeing as he is an older man and your ears grow your entire life his ears could be that size

in 17 the values in her eyes seem to be too extreme her eyes(too bright) kind of bug out a bit too but i really like the gradient you placed in the background

everything else is perfect and any of these flaws or artistic differnce we have wouldn't hold me back from admitting you if i were part of the commity good luck


ps i do not mean to offend your family members in any way so please excuse me if any of these comments offend you

[agentJ]

Oh man wow...

Thanks a ton :D I uhm.. can't see straight. I just got off talkign to Metrini about it as well.

I'll offer crits later.

the good war icq/aim me sometime : 15014977 / agentJ64

My head hurts. Ive been up since 9am. its now 1:40 am, the next day
:)

[the good war]

hey its 2:07 over here but i dont have icq yet ill have to get that set up see you later

[beechdbum]

agent- those are looking good lots of facial portraits and still lifes which they will like to see along with the color and more creative images, lots of improvement over your last portfolio. one question though..... wheres the figure thats kinda ringlings big push,the one figure i did see was #11 but it was almost more of a cloth study then a figure the wrinkles were very good and you had some good contrast, and your defintion of legs and arms were also very good, id have to say the weekest point of that drawing was the face. rather large compartive to the rest of the body, also the shading on the face didnt seem up to par with the rest of the image. the other thing that could use some improvement in the image was the foreshorting of the arm. the back elbow seemed quite large also compared to the other arm. id qritique your other images but im not that great at still lifes so i cant be much help, and btw i sent in 8x10 prints.....

[beechdbum]

ill post all of my portfolio tommorow, but this is a bonsai tree i drew that my dad got for christmas, ran out of time on the leaves since my slides had to be shot but i still think it was fairly sucsessful for me, any crits welcome

http://www.beechdbum.com/tree.jpg

[RefrigeratorCo]

^ Nice

[undergroundkg]

maybe all of us will make it and we will all be in the same class, thad be crazy:eek:

[the good war]

crossa da fingers

[agentJ]

Haha I hope:)

beechdbum I have figure st udies I'm not including (just 2 or 3 half finished sketches really since it was around an hour)

But Theyre not good I think. I'm no fan of them. :|

I know Ringling looks for figures - I pray to god they can see I worked just as hard on the portraits etc as I would have on more figures (if I could find any).

Its just that finding them was erm hard. Towards the end of my semster I started to draw figures for my folio, its just that I couldn't take them standing for one hour. I wanted to get nitty gritty and detail every fricken pore and well that wasn't going to happen:|


I struggled early on, 11 shows it, with foreshortening. Lately I think I've improved (but not completely overcome) it. It's quite.. err.. evil.

The head actuallycame out big was a bit funny. I think I started with the head first in that pic... or the legs. I can't remember.

I noticed the big head really but... erm I don't know:) I just kept going with it.

Personally I think 16 came out ok. The man's head is in fact wider and should be pushed down (so the butt of his ear is just about an inch or two from the collar) Eek oh well:)

22 was my struggle with light. It's a photograph (I'll scan it in if I can:D). It came out ok, also originally it was a gridding assignment - I have a thing against gridding however:D oh well. But yes I agree there should be a softer fall off and not so harsh - mainly it was the overexposure of the camera (eek) and the fact I couldn't decide if it was tone or shadow since where there is white o nthe image you could imoage bright skin:D

Mmm. I hope I get in :)
Thanks a million for your crits the good war / beechdbum :D


Beechdbum Your plant came out really well. I have no problem with it really other than the top outter edge of the base, where I think if you had just shaded it a bit darker other than form a black line it would look more natural - although maybe it was bevelled liek that too so:D

All that brush, bush, moss, bonsai whatever smal lleavess on the bottom completely rocks, nice form and flow there :) Feels light too so gives it some volume:D

/me nods

cool stuff man:0

[agentJ]

Originally posted by the good war
crossa da fingers

;)

cross da fingers indeed!

[the good war]

yup

thats my problem too because the only figure classes that i know about are at the same time as my working hours
here are two more pics for a scetchbook portion of my portfolio
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/arabguy.jpg
illl leave this one out
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/knight.jpg

i find this worring to be rather draining i think i will stop worring in two days ill mark that on my calandar

[the good war]

i just finished my portfolio i took the crab granny and placed an omni light in the scene and rendered her out by herself but i added an enviroment pic the enviroment pic was a previous render with the granny being affected by the light so now i get to keep the integrity of the hand painted textures and she still works in the scene
new granny (http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gamecompfinal.jpg)
old granny (http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gamecomp.jpg)
i also altered the geomtry to create a closer match to the drawing
here is the final composited sketchbook pages
comp (http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/complowir.jpg)

jb
big download"old" (http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/largebadcomphicopy.jpg)

[agentJ]

Did you label your slides in any particular way? Or did you just send them in the sheet? DId you include a letter of any sort?

Just wondering

[undergroundkg]

i didnt have any labels. i sent photos in slips

[Dominie_Dirtch]

I forgot to label mine, emailed my 'advisor' about it, and she said it wouldn't effect anything. You're just suppoed to have your name printed on each piece, slide or photo.

[undergroundkg]

ahh oh yeah i did do that. had stickers with my name, date, and email on the back of each picture. forgot about that

[agentJ]

PORTFOLIO SENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RWAK ON!

Here's praying we all get in! I even went to church right after to make sure :) *sshh:P*

[WeirdAl]

Ok Im about to send my stuff out tomorrow, heres some of the stuff i've scanned.

half hour figure drawings:

http://www.geocities.com/s_e_a_n86/figuredrawing1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/s_e_a_n86/figuredrawing2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/s_e_a_n86/figuredrawing3.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/s_e_a_n86/figuredrawing4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/s_e_a_n86/figuredrawing5.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/s_e_a_n86/figuredrawing6.jpg

6 in 1 acrylic master copy of a painting done by Alan Lee:

http://www.geocities.com/sclosson2004/6in1acrylicmastercopy.JPG

Goldleaf letter:

http://www.geocities.com/sclosson2004/goldleafletter.JPG

Hand study:

http://www.geocities.com/sclosson2004/handstudy.jpg

Lenolium print 5 of 5 of Agent Smith:

http://www.geocities.com/sclosson2004/lenoliumprint5.jpg

Oil paint self portrait:

http://www.geocities.com/sclosson2004/oilpaintselfportrait.JPG

Portrait drawing:

http://www.geocities.com/sclosson2004/portraitdrawing.jpg

Pretty sure I'll be sending these out tomorrow, let me know what you think.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Geocities = Crap

[Metrini]

Cant view the images =(

[agentJ]

put a http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/ in front of the http:// and it usually works!

It's actually slow

http://www.the-cloak.com/ works but you have to go thru a few dialogs

Just icq/email/aim me the files ill try to host it somehow:\

(it already hit the day's max)

[WeirdAl]

Damn Geocities *shakes fist*

[agentJ]

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/agentj/wierdalfolio/

:D

ill keep it up for afew days

I leveled some stuff, and cropped some more. Just did it to bring out the images (although it brought a lot more out than intended...) nonetheless!

[the good war]

sig
sorry just testing my signature:D

[the good war]

to make up for... not really but if you guys wanna see the cd cover i am going to place on my port
cd (http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cddonecopy.jpg)

[the good war]

i am kind of dumping these on you guys but...my portfolio is finally complete i just have to send it off now
here are some new pics i added

http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/zfinishedskull.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/b3e.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/b2.jpg


here is the cd cover i made for my port
http://home.earthlink.net/~neo8josh/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/finishedcdcasecovercopy.jpg
i tried to write a biograghy for the gorilla as if he were the author but soon lost the will to do so . blah

[agentJ]

Cool beans :)

[WeirdAl]

Yay all my craps sent off

[agentJ]

Awesomeness :) Yeah

good luck man:D

[the good war]

ok just wrote my essay and sent that off today so now for the big wait ..........................................

[the good war]

.............still waiting.................
.............still waiting.................
mmm... i guess it has become time to remind ourselves that people are in the world eh
i think ill be a little more relaxed now i've been preparing for this for so long now, it's strange it's finally over
it's like the monkey finally jumped off because if i get in I will absolutely love it on the other hand if i don't i won't be able to keep my life on hiatous anymore so it is all up to those lovely judges as to what direction my life will take it is a very freeing feeling like graduation
either way i will keep creating the best art i can life will move on either way
rock on everyone rock on-

[agentJ]

Originally posted by the good war
.............still waiting.................
.............still waiting.................
mmm... i guess it has become time to remind ourselves that people are in the world eh
i think ill be a little more relaxed now i've been preparing for this for so long now, it's strange it's finally over
it's like the monkey finally jumped off because if i get in I will absolutely love it on the other hand if i don't i won't be able to keep my life on hiatous anymore so it is all up to those lovely judges as to what direction my life will take it is a very freeing feeling like graduation
either way i will keep creating the best art i can life will move on either way
rock on everyone rock on-

rock on rock on

:D rage against the dieing of the light if you will

yes ill cal tomorrow and see if they got my stuff

ill cry if they didnt

and if i have to drive dow nto ringling to hand in my copies of slides

I will

Good luck everyone. I sent my stuff on Tuesday so lets see what happens

I am a bit at ease, I'm coming up for the breath after the great plunge, but I still got to go back down.. mm *looks around*

[undergroundkg]

preach it brother good war

[agentJ]

"And so with the conclusion of his great journey, the young artisan looked around in complete wonder and dispair. Far off in the distance the roaring booms of war had already begun, for the great one, Disney, had just fallen. But he, who so bravely stood on his ground like a stone thrushing against the tides of sea still saught his goal. To one day animate.

And it may be, it jsut may be Mr. A that he might have that chance; that against all odds and imminent failure he may just pull through. He knew his dirivative had failed, oh but he hoped, be it even a fools hope.

Who knows what lies ahead, he thought; glancing ever so gleefully at the future. Almost a mirror, but naught. He felt the great pressure of his time finally ending. But the journey had just begun. He infact, was in for more than he knew.

It was in the back of his mind. It... was there. Lurking. It crippled him every day. A mask he had to wear possibly to hide the fact.

It was there.

But he must trudge on. And on he will. For the test of time is now calling him; war is brewing in the east, and life... had just begun.

"


:) Good luck catching the metaphors:D ahh I lvoe bieng inspired.

Good luck to everyone, my application came in today, all nice and set. The battle begins. May one of us make it!

Huzzah!

[beechdbum]

Originally posted by agentJ
" May one of us make it! "

may many of us make it...

[Hett15]

That was so Inspiring angentJ...Anyone else feel like a Salmon?


I'll see you guys there in about a year. (So Close... Yet So Far)

[agentJ]

Hey all! College/HS is deep into its restart it s eems and I'm hoping we're all busy improving our art, ourselves, and well not losing our minds ... yet :)

Just wanting to know if anyone is going to be attending the Art Center folio day down at Ringling! ICQ/Email/AIM me if you are, be cool to go do stuff/say hi etc.

Scheduled For Janurary 25th down at Ringling School


here's the email ======

This is to let you know that a representative from Art Center will be visiting your area during the upcoming months. We will be attending a Portfolio Day or hosting an event in a location near you. A schedule of the Portfolio Day locations, dates and times is enclosed.

Portfolio Days provide an excellent opportunity to show your work to representatives from a number of art colleges. We will provide you with general advice on Art Center’s portfolio requirements as we view your work, and will be happy to answer your questions about our programs.

As you probably know, Art Center is unique among art colleges in our focus on a specialization within our curriculum. This allows you to develop a professional body of work while also pursuing a strong program of liberal arts classes.

If you have questions about the Portfolio Day location listed, call the host school at the number on the enclosed sheet. Feel free to call us at Art Center for any other questions or further information on the college. Our website location is www.artcenter.edu and we are also available by phone at 626-396-2373.

We look forward to seeing you.

[beechdbum]

i decided not to go to mine which was on the 16th of january, they had such good timing :rolleyes: i did make the trrip down to san diego for one awhile ago, there fun to go to you can see lots of other artists of all ages and talents and get a good feel for what a school is looking for from you, and what i found out is they all want something different. if you go try to get some facts from the ringling reps if they have any like how many people applied this year and anything else you can think of.

[undergroundkg]

yes get all the info possible that u can for us ! like ask if they accepted any ppl strong in the 3d area yet :D

i cant go to em cuz i live in pa :/

[beechdbum]

doubt they've made any descions yet, they go through stages of admission, and the keep weeding people out at each stage for different reaasons untill theres just 45 left, or at least thats what the admissions officer told me

[undergroundkg]

only 45 !?!?!?! :( ah man

[agentJ]

Uh. Where do I begin? I've been ransacked about this ALL FRICKEN day. I've been hit with every opinion I could imagine and man is it delibrating. Oh god where do I start?

So I got up at 9 am today. I was ready. I had my drawings, my folio, a game plan (that failed) and some ideas.

I got rid of whatever expectations I had because quite frankly, I don't give a damn.

My family was coming. Shazbot. That ain't cool! Yeah it is wtf am I saying. They all came. Even my 7 year old nepthiews. I was in for it.

We left around 11 am. I drove. People wished I hadn't - heck I nearly crashed. My sister drove in front and was kind enough to slow down (wow) :D

Got there at 1:00 pm almost. Basically I missed everything. From their bs seminar on why you should go here, and how to pay for it, with a little "what careers are aviable in the visual arts/animation industry that disney hasn't shot down already"

Sorry I'm being rude. Or maybe overly simplistic or who cares. It's been a long day :) Deal :P

I got there and first visited CalArts. Cute asian girl talked to us. We had a few people in front so for the time I joked with another kid who was applyign to ringling about how there are so damn people here. He basically said "yeah and bout 3/4 of them will get their hopes crushed today."

I saw a lot of that.

There were easily 150+ flooding the area here btw. 20 per room, like 6 rooms?

Ok its not a lot but a lot were applying to Ringling and I'm like "ahh crap"

The girls in front of me basically got into CalArts. I was a bit annoyed by the fact so many people here conformed to that crazy exploration of art. They had splashes of colors, wierd text, a few letters and no meaning or idea to convey. Ok sure that's not a problem? I thought it was :P The girl got in easily btw.

My turn. Ok don't include collage drawings. Don't include any color in fact. Actually don't even apply. :P Ok nto that last line but: gesture drawings ++, include as many as you want, figure drawings that are half done ++, more gesture, quick figure studies, ideas. Basically don't finish any of your work and you're in.

Damn. I brought final drawings.

Good technique, I'm better suited for character animation.

I felt categorized and thrown into a pit with other wanna bes and occasionally one of us would be plucked up and given some food, maybe even a drink! Then thrown down into the dungeons again.

Damn.

My sister mother and father scouted for work. My brother didnt come but I'm sure he would equally critique everyones work. Basically everyone sucked. 3 people were good. Short and sweet? Thats how they treated you. Kind of sucked imho. I work at a supermarket. We treat everyone liek a king, so being here was infuirerating:D (sp?) There was soem really good work and some decent stuff.

I went to the Ringling studio. I didn't want to see another place. Sorry. I did get info on Art center, Art Inst of San Fran etc though.

The computer animation guy easily had like 50 people waiting. I went into the fine arts line. BUt he took too long (and it was in fact my mom who decided I should see the illustrator since his line was going faster).

I soon found out why. The two girls in front of me basically recieved this response

"I dont know what your doing. Don't waste your time. Why are you even here?"

COme on man give some better advice, the girl looked like she was going to cry when she left. :|

I went up. I shot back all his assholeness at him. I'm sorry.

Apparently I have good technique. I can draw? Wow. I drew too big. ( brought in the 18x24s and the 20x32s :P Lol) He was like too big. I'm like shut up and critique me. He did. I foreshortened, and I need to work on anatomy. I draw really great. Good observation. But plan more, in the initial phase, and slow down. Observe more. Good stuff I thought. I told him my CA dream and why Illustrator is 2nd. He said think about it first and dont make illustrator 2nd because its the 2nd best choice. We then got into a conversation about the animation industry. He knew about WDFAF (who doesn't?) and told me the traditionalist are now TV only and will rarely see a feature animation release. I mentioned Sponge Bob, Klasky-Csupo and Studio Ghbili's Spirited Away (no 1 movie in japan last year). He agreed. We shook hands and left.


I don't know. Everything he told me I knew. I didn't garner/earn/learn anything new. Same thign with the rest of the place. It's great really i'd love to come. But on the way back we stopped at a place to eat and trust me: I heard the BLUNT of everything about the school. Here are people who are artist. Whole fmaily. Sure not as profession but definitely can hold conversations with other artist (or teach them) quite effectively. Ouch. For 120k$ they put doubt into my head even though I tried to hold it back. But I soon reached decision that will progress and grow as time goes on.


If I get accepted. I'm going.

If I don't. I won't get mad. I'll just work harder. Unless I'm physically impeded I will draw every day and damnit I will be an animator, story teller, someone something somehow. And that's final.

Mmm. It has been a long day.

Indeed I don't know where I am any more. I wrost a story in my LJ about it because it was the only way I could illustrate my position. And I ergo:


It was about a pengiun, whose lost. He holds up the light, theres wind blowign in his face, his feet are cold and he can't see too well as it is. The light shows nothing and sparks out. Then suddenly a small flash of light int he distance. He runs and runs for all his might. Then as he's just about to get there he flops on the ground because there's another light, closer, in another direction that flashes. The original light is still there however, flashy, weakly, rarely, but still there. He is lost. Which one does he go too? Has he labored this long to go for the light in the far distance or should he settle down and go to the closest one? It is a choice that plagues him. Drives him mad. He screams.



I am looking for insights. Ideas etc.

For those who care:

20 transfer students applied last year, 2 got in. 1 Illustrator was able to transfer last semster into CA. A lot of CAs applied. A ton saw the CA guy today. They're not looking for Picasso they're looking for potential (?). They learn maya in their first year. At least everyone the guy knew had been to Pre-College ($!!??). OUt of the 45 graduating last year, 30 some odd got jobs, the rest are on contract or wasting time.

All I got from students :d Apparently some 3rd and 4th years review the student work as well? Along iwth faculty reviewers. Then those chosen are rechosen by the adminstration due to grades blah blah blah. Mmm.

Good luck too all of you :D And me too :D I'm still coming (I hope!) :)

[pibb991]

i think you might have a bad informant agent j.

i was in a class last semester with 10 other transfer students(and i know of two others) and ca's dont learn maya until sophmore year.

and i extremely doubt that third and fourth years evaluate student work, but i could be wrong.

im sure some of the critiques were harsh, but shouldnt they hear the truth to get better?

[agentJ]

Yeah pib991 - I jsut got this from two guys were talking to people from the CA so. I dont know maybe they meant the year before?? AUhg.. I jsut found it all disturbing (which lead to the disturbing post:P) so. buth ey pib ! You give me hope :) Lets see ! :D

yeah I guess your right it woudl be better to say the truth but he did come off as a bit of a jerk - but then again if your adedicated artist you would have gone past the negative comments and tried even harder so..

[the good war]

excellent penquin story
start off with some dramatic devistating event we all can relate to then place trippy visuals over it to make a story no one can ever forget
thats how my movie is playing out so far
that seems to be the side of ConceptArt that is hidden, most people create the visual art and the story and emotion either remain hidden and/or is lacking. it is good someone else is interested in creating stories in order to clens themselves of emotional impurity
good work


i went to port day 2x and i saw a couple of people leaving crieng ..... i deleted my opinion because it was purely confrontational but nice story and such

[agentJ]

blah ok:p keep your secrets! *shakes fist* :P jk :) Yesy es emotion.. it is beautiful

[the good war]

not really secrets but just saving you from mental anguish
i represented both disdain for the young artist and the culture that created her but at the same time felt sorry for her because she is a victim of opposing idealogies without her knowing. further more i realized i am a construct of more traditional ideas and therefore a shallow as she was. i also resented her because i knew there were only a few people that could bringing me to a point that made me so insicure i would express myself in an openly fashion. i mean that i have a certain level of confidence and vindiction in my work that allows me to hear opposing views to my work and still be able to either stand my ground or except thier crits in a positive manner ... when she resorted to cring she showed that she did not have that same level artistic vindiction.
another more sinister aspect of myself gleefully enjoyed it a elimination of a competitor- now i no longer feel competitive but that is the way i felt at that time...er a couple years ago
oh yeah one more emotion there was sort of sick voyeuristic quality because what is a greater representation of being alive than some public outburst of emotion so i guess i almost enveided her . i guess i am a little unwell in areas of my life

so in the end i contradicted myself on several fronts and came to the conclusion that it was pointless to start typing so i capped it off by saying something a little more palettable
"nice story and such:D "

[agentJ]

Mmm. Perhaps it is then who we are. I was once told that the only way to suceed in life is by stepping on people. For that very reason (and my inate stubborness) I swore to prove that wrong - challenging my professor in highschool to every occurence. Unfortunately this due as come larger than expected - since now I avoid most types of occassions, oppurtunities or any place where someone else could enjoy. I chose to suffer. FOr some reason this signifies a saint in me? I don't know it is a thought I play with. Play? Hell I live it. Look at it this way thegoodwar: I would havei t no other way. If it was dramatic, if we weren't meant to suffer, to see people fall, and even fall ourselves - what would it be worth? I am not a giver of evils nor a disdainer of truth. I chose no harm on anyone or anything here or hate anyone. Troubles of life do not detur me. It is me merely an observer in an already chaotic world trying to write it, draw it, show it, ... experience it.

I felt bad when I saw people's hopes and dreams shatter at my very footstep. I claim I can draw. Is this a claim I can make? Can I sit here and prove it? I can't do anything. Nothing. Thats how I see it. That way, whatever happens, it will be better. This philosphy is not so easy to endure. It has its hardships and I have indeed suffered them for 5 months.

So excuse for rambling in some different tone of voice its just - I see what you mean thegoodwar. I don't know. Personally I claim (again) to be a classicist ? I love traditional animation, traditional writing. I love these "tools" but what I love more is STORY. CHARACTER. Ideas. People, their experiences, their life. Their story. IT is just animation seemed the msot viable way - I saw it inthe eyes of the Disney movies and I aspired to it. Now that their end is coming I feel the worst.

I would have been a writer. I should be a writer. Do you know my university sends (gleefully and almost fully covered) students to Oxford Uni to study their choice of study?

I would study english. history, life, art. All of it. I would study humanity. Because I love it.

What this comes as "animation" or drawing or paiting - that is merely my medium of expression for these COUNTLESS and I mean COUNTLESS thoughts that run through my damn head. One day I promise to write them all down. It is a task to great for me now.. I am search of stability, a career, something I can focus on and on the side build my "idea."

I saw Ringling. I saw SCAD. I saw CalArts. I went to Europe and studied the masters in their museums. I've seen it. and I want more.

But when I look at these kids I don't know what I see. It almost seems another form of people wanting a job. Here look. I can draw. Watch me rape color and splash crap around. See ? Experience.

It seems so mudane, so over done so useless. But I choose not to ridicule it for I am blind - these people in some effort are telling me a story and I'm rejecting it because it looks just like everyoen elses. We're all the same. What makes originality original if everyone is original?

Who knows.

Damnit thegoodwar you sent me off on a tangent :) One I happily explored.

Don't feel ashamed because of your happiness in her defeat. I would have apologized and said it was good. Hope exist everywhere ;)

Heck pib991 already gave me a bit of it:D


I'm sitting here not thinking about Ringling - not even worrying. I didn't even want to post this. Any of my portfolio day adventure. Why did I? Because I felt the need to express it. There was SUCH a powerful feeling when I left that studio that I couldn't let it go away. So what I bring to you is a watered down lite version. My apologies - time is the supreme mender.

I bid you all a farewell. My art classes at the Uni begin tomorrow. May it be a wonderful adventure.

Keep an eye. Keep taling. Stay sharp!



PS: I like how you said voyeurisitic. Here is someone laying naked in front of you with their life utterly exposed through their art - their feelign their experience their reaction - only to be denied. That hurts. Certainlly worthy of a painting :)

[the good war]

that is a topic i struggle with constintly
allowing youself to become the saintly fellow avoiding stepping on everyones toes at any cost
but the cost lies just there avoiding such endevors eliminates the truth of your, my, charactor
art is the struggle between the innate and your enviroment and perhaps the more natural urges we can experience makes us truer humans
which can create a greater appeal to an audience that wants just that, a voyeuristic experience. in that we could accurately depict the more sublte emotions that would manifest themselves in the charactors that lie on the opposite ends of the empathetic spectrum. it is a dangerous line to cross on one hand total self control subdoing urges and the other open expression of your true emotions in real life.

i have experienced this in the effort to preserve others well being. you try to present yourself as the smallest possible threat imaginable and in doing so you lose a bit of yourself that would wish to be both rambunchois, frank and possibly harsh at times

i wrote this a while ago but i thought this pertained to what we were talking about so

traveling in a straight line through curved space
we find spots of interest only interest
substance and "filler" are of our design
mankind following nature is simple, is nature inconsequential
should we delve into the intellectual and forget the physical?
what is nobler does not seem to matter balance seems to
balance is found in nature
we should seek the center but what center can be found when our reality is curved and bent

[xHUNTERx]

wow, it seems like alot of people here are really obsessed with ringling. I've always been wondering what's the big deal about their CA program anyways. I mean, there are other great schools out there with animation programs too (CalArts, Art Center, SVA, Otis, etc) , but alot of you guys are making it sound like not making this particular program will be the end of the world.:p

[agentJ]

Bio. Thank you. Thank you thank thank you thankyouoytotyoythatnkatyou~!!!!

Sorry I just needed someone to tell me that. ANd your the first one to say Secret agentJ. Omg someone knows that song! (i added the J because June is my birthday :D - oldies rocks btw:D)

Thanks so much. So yes iM chugging along. suffering. dieing. :)

Thanks for the link to. Awesome stuff. Ahh life is good if you wnat it to be! I'm on a bit of a trip right now too - listening to a B.B. King / Eric Clapton cd my dad got (inspiration I guess after seeing me crumble yesterday) - BLUES thats what people need in time of despair. BLOOs:)!

xHUNTERx: A few reasons why Ringling
:They win the RYthm & Hues quite often:D
:The Misfits poster guy teaches there (AWESOME guy :D just nenver remember his name:| plus i like Marilyn Monroe : double + + :)
:It is good, Pixar/Blizzard etc big places recommend it - it shows that they know of the school so it kind of offers this "mmm so companies know these schools, MIGHT be a +"
:Internships, speakers. .RWahhgg..

Now for the real reasons:
: I live in tampa. 50 miles (well exactly 61 from my door to the burger king right in front of Ringling)
: Florida grants/scholarships dont transfer out of state - except to SCAD - but Ringling accepts them (thank god) because it helps... a lot:D
: Ringling's Articulation (sp?) agreement : basically Community College liberal arts (and classes like Art history) are easily transferrable to RIngling without problem (unlike some other.. places : FOR EXAMPLE CalArts forces you to start at the beginning level, regardless of what you transfer in with - yeah right pfft :P sorry nto going there :)

: $$$
: the fact I dont have ANY of the above
: The cute art girl I met at the portfolio day :| Damn what was her name?

:D

[beechdbum]

yeah, portfolio days can be harsh.... at that point my portfolio was really bad and i only had 4 pieces all of which are gone now.... some schools i dont think even bothered to tell me i was bad:rolleyes: they just kinda stared at me and said is that it. but im not having the greatest week either. calarts rejected me from the expiremental animation program but my portfolio didnt consist of anything they were looking for so i guess i can blame it on that ;) but life goes on and i still have ringling in the highest of my hopes.

i never did post my whole portfolio on this forum to get crits so i figured better late then never. of course all crits welcome.

http://www.beechdbum.com/PShop%20Skull.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/3d%20Fish.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/3d%20Kangaroo.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure1.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure2.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure3.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure4.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure5.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure6.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure7.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure8.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Figure9.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Profile.jpg
http://www.beechdbum.com/Still%20Life.jpg

or you can just see an index of all the images at www.beehdbum.com

[beechdbum]

link fixed :chug:

[the good war]

they should place everyones ports on the web that would tii-ight
bio
truly ho-larious {hi-larity) (http://www.cameroncole.net/humor10.html)

[wassermelone]

Don't forget that Ringling is the only school to regularly place in Siggraph... which doesn't distinguish between high end companies such as PIXAR and student work.

It was wierd with all you people on campus last weekend...

-toasty =)

[Eyal]

ive also been watching this thread for some time..
around when should i expect to hear back from ringling?
i have applied for CA.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

"Thank you for your continued interest in Ringling School of Art and Design.
Your application for the computer animation program is complete. The faculty
will begin reviews after the January 15 deadline and we hope to have
decisions by mid to late February."

There ya go...

[winjer]

Can people transfer to CA if they are in illustration? I really like my paper and pencil drawing and i dont really care about animating anything so much. But it sounds like the CA is better for actually getting a job after i pay them 80G ? I guess someone is gonna say i should just do it for love or something. Spare me.

[beechdbum]

winjer- its hard to transfer to CA from illustration since there are only 45 spots each year and theres only as many transfers as people as drop i would guess..... also i can tell you if you dont love animation you wont last in that major.

[Eyal]

thank you.

im afraid i did not receive any such notice indicating they have received my application. its a bit troubling as it was sent overseas.

[beechdbum]

it took a week to get mine and that was a little before the end of the deadline so i would imagine here many more they got right at the end. so its an even slower process not to mention your overseas. go to rsad.edu and send them an email to the admission dept. they should be able to tell you.... so im guessing that you applied for the illustration dept then?

[Eyal]

no, i applied for computer animation.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

RSAD CA is the only program that you can't transfer into from other majors, but... You can transfer out of it. Every major has the same first year core classes, so you can go in a CA, be around people who are already in the major a couple of years, be around the teachers, and after your first year, if you don't think it's for you, easily transfer into Illustration, or whatever. Because of the dealine, and because of the size of the program, they don't allow people to transfer in from other programs. (This all comes from some admissions guy named 'Bucky')

[beechdbum]

so nobody had any crits on my folio? :confused: that either means its unspeakably bad and you want to throw up after seeing my pics, or extrodanarly good where words cannot express the joy you recieve from looking at my art. although im pretty sure its neither, some body out their must have seen something i can work on


Domnie: it is possible just very very hard, and the only other option is to reapply to ringling as a freshman in the CA major even if your already passed your freshman year at ringling.

[agentJ]

beechdbum I was kind of writing one but I stopped - I forgot I had a paper due tomorrow and I'm frantically (FRANTICALLY) finishing it ;) PLease please ill do one soon:D some things I want to point out :P I think I Imed you about it tho but soon! my preciouss... :eek:

As far as transferring? I remember reading an article about one person from Illustrator who wanted to go into CA and a admision rep chased him down across the campus (not that hard tho:P) and told him a spot had just opened up. He got in. One guy. Im sure they t ake presidence over many things.

Either way though itll be a battle to the bitter end! RWAHHGG!
:)

The guy I talked to at Ringling said at least half were Pre- College kids - I cant remember is that on the app? Mmm:\

[undergroundkg]

agent j.. where did you read that blizzard recomends ringling? if its an article or something plz link me! blizzard is like a dream company for me (and proly bout 10 million others)

and btw.. did you see them critting any people with alot of 3d in their portfoilos at the portfolio day you went to?

beech.. i like your stuff, in my opinion it shows alot of promise, you look like you are going to be a great digital painter. and ur fish textures are nice and clean, it kindve reminds me of pixar-ish characters.
i wouldnt get discouraged when people dont say anything about your portfolio really, i have a thread in the 3d forum here and it has like 120+ views and no responce! it just happens :P
i am even guilty of it, i saw your stuff and thought hey thats some decent stuff but i didnt say anything cuz i was lazy:rolleyes:


now to clear something up i think i was confused on...
when you said only 45 people are accepted, you meant 45 transfer students?? they dont only accept 45 total students to freshman ca right? because that is what i applied for, a freshman spot

[beechdbum]

agent j- what you mean by half the kids are precollege kids? im praying it means half the ones accepted to the CA program are precollege kids but i doubt it. dont worry about getting it done, for me my thread had gone into a passed page so i was just offering a friendly reminder that i had posted it.

undergroundkg- haha im used to not getting replys.... i am on cgtalk too you know, ive had my share of projects go unnoticed into the abyss of the WIP forum, and had people utterly ignore me on the maya forum.... i know its alittle bit off topic but the c4d forum is so much more friendly and helpful. oh and i hate to break it to you but only 45 freshman applicants get accepted transfer or not, just 45 spots, and its out of allot im not even going to tell you the numbers ive heard.about 3d portfolios i had 2, i went to precollege and had many a discussion with the CA teacher abot that very thing, basically only put it in if your really good at 3d, the kangaroo was kinda on the border line on that one if you want to have a standard, your stuff should be an asset to your drawings, it would help to have a texture but since your showcasing your modeling its just fine they way you did it. 3 or 4 people each year get in based on there 3d and there top notch theres usualy about 15 or more that acc have had previous 3d expiernce and that might just be a 1 week summer camp kinda thing, so bottom line if its good it could help you, possibly get you in, if its bad it will hurt you instead.

[furryspork]

Wow! This is an awsome thread!

I am truly impressed by how much all the people who have posted here seem to really care about animation and about improving their work. AgentJ, I really liked what you said about the importance of story in your work. I also think of animation as a medium for telling stories. I really hope all you guys get into Ringling so I can get a chance to meet you.

If anybody has time, I've just put up my website and there's some work on there that I'd like crits on. Even though it doesn't fit this thread too well since I already go to Ringling and it's not my portfolio to get in. People seem to be giving good crits on here so I thought I'd post some stuff. :) Eventually I'll post this stuff on one of the crit boards here. Right now it's 1AM and I'm still buried in a pile of work, so here's a link if anyone's interested: http://www.rsad.edu/~ccarnes

Good luck everyone!

[agentJ]

I promise I'll read these replies. Currently I cant even look at the screen. But my paper's done! Yeah!! :) OK now to reading:

real fast though. IM under HUGE stress. iguess im trianing for RIngling. 1 2 or 3 in the morning? Yeah basically you all have to learn how to do that :D and stil lwake up at 8 with enough energy!

undergroundkg: the blizzard comments come from a CGWorld or whatever interview. And 45 freshmen spots. Which are beaten by pre College kids, hpoefully transfers like me, and some other peopple who actually were good :d

Beecdubum: shh im tired:P and yeah he said around half in some of his classes (which or what group he didnt specify) were pre-college. maybe it was not ca, maybe liberal arts, maybe it was, who knwos wh ocares:)

furryspork: 1am!? 2 am baby! ok 1:30. I'm physically exhausted. Been up since 9. Waking up at 8am to drive to university and get there at 9am and teach them story and idea in animation to a beginning 3d class (since basically i was asked too:P lol i should get $ for this but alas..)

Furryspork I PROMISE ill look at yourstuf when I have more usuable eyes :)

[the good war]

hey beech bum do you have any idea of who these 3 or 4 people from previous years were?
crit time
ps skull looks nice you have color variety but i think you may have avoided placing as much contrast as you could have in that peice i am sometimes guilt of the same thing the cast shadow should be darker i would say and there reallly isn't enough clues to perspective
i would add pebbles or cracks or random debris or some thing. it would be a nice illustration for a magizine because it is something you can view quickly and your instintally drawn into image and it is easy to understand because of the few number of elements
i think fig one is your stongest piece some of the other figures have some angle problems
the kangaroo is kind of awkward he doesn't have muscles in his neck and you don't get the idea of an underlying skeleton so i would try to closely follow some sources... i tried making a 12 y o cg girl for my short film without refernces and when i finished she had the porpotions of a baby littlerally so even though i have more experience now i now rely more than ever on refernces
blah

[the good war]

furryspork you have very nice color pencil work among other things i never got the hang of them
no crits but i don't really see all that much imaginative work holding out or just not interested in drawing that type of stuff?

[Dominie_Dirtch]

Critique for Ben:
I'm going to proceed in the order in which you posted your pieces.
1. PShop%20Skull.jpg:
I really like this piece. I think the tree and the birds give it a wonderful peaceful feel to balance with the large amount of desolation created by the environment. I also think the composition works very well. To me, the skull feels a little bit too soft and airbrushed... But just a little bit. The contrast between it and your background is very nice as well. Overall, I'd say this is a solid piece.

2. 3d%20Fish.jpg:
I don't think I can really say to much about this piece, because I don't know enough about 3D, you're still far ahead of me in that department. I think that the textures are wonderful, and that the fins look perfect. I'm continually impressed with your 3D abilities.

3. 3d%20Kangaroo.jpg:
The kangaroo... Heh, I remember thinking that this was amazing at PreCollege. Now, I would say that a few things could be changed and improved upon. Such as the mouth and general expressiveness of the face. I still can't really say though, in account of the previously mentioned fact about my 3D knowledge.

4. Figure1.jpg:
I love this figure man. I don't know why you were knocking your drawing ability so much during the program, unless you've just drastically improved since then. I think that this piece shows a great control of line weight, and is very expressive.

5. Figure2.jpg:
This one is good too. Try to show more of what she is based on in a piece like this though, it will show more of the weight that you see from the way her butt is drawn, and the way she is leaning against that arm. On that left arm, the forearm feels a little bit bent backwards. Watch the way the outer line is curving, and try to keep in mind the underlying bone structure, even if your view of the figure warps it in some way. On her right trap, careful the way that line is coming kind of straight into the side of her neck, try to let it curve upward slightly to follow the neck muscles. Hair looks good, good job showing its form quickly.

6. Figure3.jpg:
I'm still trying to figure out what is happening with her right leg in this one. I don't know what your figure model looked like, but her breasts seem somewhat misshapen, and her nose is just about scary. I'm still trying to figure out what is going on with that leg...

7. Figure4.jpg:
Looks great, nothing much to say about this one. The way the arm she is leaning on appears is a little confusing to me, I don't know if that blotchy area is her hair, or was just where the light contrasted out being able to see through. Either way, that's my only gripe.

8. Figure5.jpg:
Careful on those hard lines to define the form. Try to let the figure flow as organically as possible. So lots of curvy'ness, so on, so forth. Her right leg looks pretty warped, and almost disconnected from her body. Be sure to step back from your piece as your working on it, it will help you to notice things like that sooner. (Something I have to remind myself of every 20 seconds, heh..)

9. Figure6.jpg:
The neck seems a bit thick, and the left thigh seems slightly dropped and out of proportion. Careful on the hard pointy line where his arm is dropping between his legs. Try to keep in mind the perspective of the stool as well, and on a sitting piece like this try to show a bit more of its form.

10. Figure7.jpg:
Those hard flat lines again. These latter few figure drawings seem to be really below the quality of the first couple. I wonder about the progression in time on them. The way the left arm seems to be jutting out in a hard angle over the left breast is probably the main thing I see that really bothers me. Try to be careful in showing the way different parts of the form interact with each other; the way skin presses against skin. This appears to be a quick drawing, so I'm not giving you too much flak about it; my quick work always looks horrible... But like I said before, try to let your wrist move smoothly, and let that organic nature of the nude human body really be defined, but still try to keep your anatomy precise and correct.

11. Figure8.jpg:
Those one looks pretty good, just keep in mind the things I mentioned before, and try to watch those hard dark thick lines, they draw a bit too much attention to themselves in this piece, he. Try to keep up that good use of line weight and contrast; you see it pretty well on his lover half, the right foot and right arm. Keep working on that consistency throughout your work... That's probably one of the most important things that all of us have to develop.

12. Figure9.jpg
This looks pretty good, the form is more organic looking, and I see no huge anatomy flaws. Keep in mind showing some of what the figure is based on, art teachers really hate it when figures are floating in space, heh...

13. Profile.jpg:
This is pretty cool. I love the idea of drawing a human face and breaking it down into polygons (I'm assuming that’s what you had in mind. ; ) Try to work the hair until it looks a bit more like flowing human hair, which is very fine, you get kind of a rough matted feel from the way you have the hair shaded here. Cool idea, good drawing. (It might be cool to have something in the background... a bunch of perspective lines of what might be a 3D environment, perhaps? ; )

14. Still%20Life.jpg:
Good-looking still life. The detailed earth surface shows good patience, and the hatching strikes in between the leaves/flowers bring them out quite well. On a piece like this, I would go even further as far as drawing everything in the environment around the plant to the same level of detail.

Overall, I think this is a good-looking portfolio, and I think that your head start and just insane love for animation is really going to be beneficial to you. I swear you spent just about every single open lab hour during PreCollege in that damn CA lab, bugging the shit out of Kyle and perfecting your ball bounce. Very impressive.

Keep up the good work, I hope this critique helps in some way.

[Dominie_Dirtch]

furryspork... I would do you next, but that one I did for Ben wore me out a bit, plus, I think Angelfire's bandwith limit nixxed all your work. I saw some of it before they did though, and I swear I recognize that bike and that Iguana from somewhere... But I could be insane and have never met you, or seen your work... \

uhg... too much work today....

[agentJ]

Originally posted by the good war
so even though i have more experience now i now rely more than ever on refernces
blah

I love references now. But better yet Beechd i see a problem that I have - its proportion and scale. Its somethign that is seriously taking me forever to learn. One of the crits from the Ringling prof was that I had to plan out my drawings and start off slower. Well it's hurting. My professor has recommended a few thigns though. Start off with the head and then do a quick gesture, building inwards, gestures in the arm, in the leg, in the hands etc the eyes etc.

Another useful too is the lame thumb and measuring idea. Wat I do now (not yet religiously but i want to) is do angle and horizontal/vertical measuring, trying to get things to align and come out together. There are ways around it and my prof can easily draw a picture without using horizontal/vertical lines to measure but it is something I am going ot have to learn and use until I can do it wthout thinking (I can also visually think where thel ines etc are but that doesnt help as much :p)

mmm nice

Furryspork your work kicks ass :) You have a few foreshortening problems and something about the faces, maybe nto feel right or giving it more.. blargh? I dont knwo what to say but it all kick ass. KEEP POSTING :D See how you progress into an master :)

Very cool indeed.

I've looked over Dominie's post and he reall hits on a lot of stuff that I'm saying - I'll back soon and give my 2cents;D just gotta run now across campus. print something, than run to the studio and draw until 6 pm:P

Heh fun.

[furryspork]

Angelfire is so evil! They've started doing that bandwidth thing to try to get me to subscribe. They've also made it extremely hard for me to download the images to my computer at school so I can put them in my webspace. Unfortunately all the original files are on my computer in Nashville. Hopefully in the near future I'll be able to get off angelfire completely.

[thomasjm]

So is it tottaly and utterly too late to apply? How about any winter classes, i took a year off to save up money and draw, but I have done less of the latter.... any who. Any info?

[agentJ]

Furryspork I think I have all the images on my cache if yo uwant me to email them to you :d

thomasjm: You can still apply for the other classes - there are no ways i know of to get in mid semster - but hey you can still try for the other majors and maybe swithc into CA! theres always hope!

Just get wokring and drawing. At the very least take some community college classes and push yourself. even if you hate every moment of it ;)

Furry: is that you in green.jpg? If so you're... green :D
email me if you want (i have like eveyrones folio on my hd:P blah its 160gihd! im proud..:)

alpha11@tampabay.rr.com

[thomasjm]

I have alot to learn for you sir, I need to rethink my approach. I underestimated how tough it is to get in. I do have lots of confidence in my drawling, I have been doing it all my life. I need to practice, I know it. I have the best pencils and paper, lol, but thats not gona' draw its self. There is a local art college, and a technical college of which would be a good idea to take classes. (I wish I took four years of art in HS!!!!!!!!!!!!). I am seriously behind in my drawlings though. Only time I feel like drawling is at work, when I get home I am way too tired. I plan to drive down with my dad to Savannah GA. to visit SCAD. I hope to get lot of knowlage and anwsered questions durring my visit.

[winjer]

oh oh agentj can you do me next?

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11849&pagenumber=2

just some crits there. I wanna go for illus.

[beechdbum]

bah i had a nice long reply and then it all went a way with a click of a buttom, so ill rewrite it just a little shorter.
thanks every one for such a thorough crit lots of stuff i never noticed before .

2dskull- yeah i think you guys are all pretty much right with your crits, the original concept for the piece was just a skull that transitioned from a human face to a skull but i made it a little to smooth and a few people dont really notice it, i also tried to emulate dali's style some with the piece which is why i left it so open, i seem to get allot of comments about my contrast both in the digital media and the traditional form. i seem to be missing mid tones from allot of my works and jump straight from the lights to the darks. its one thing im trying to devolp right now.I think the cracks and pebbles would have been a really good idea since it would have made you think the skull had been there for a longer time and not so newly placed.

3dkangaroo- the kanagaroo was made last june before i ever attended precollege, it was made in c4d and used a procedural texture :o but the basic comment from the CA teacher at ringling was that the head and neck needed work which all of you notiiced too. he also made the suggestion of using refernce next time as well. many people in other forums had called me a dumb american for making such a screwed up roo which i guess i desereved. I lost the file in one of the many crashs ive had so i was never able to fix the character and i moved on to maya after using it in precollege and being impressed with its tools. i used it into my portfolio not only to show improvement but to also show a more creative aproach to a kangaroo :rolleyes:

Figure drawings- first of all im going to back my statement of being one of the worst drawers at precollegei always got the most attention from the teacher because well i needed it, i have since taken weekly figure drawingling classes, private lessons 1 or 2 times a week, and school classes, not to mention countless hours practicing. so yes i have improved drastically from what i once was. all of the drawings are in chronological order except number 4 which was one or two pieces sooner then posted. time period wise decemberish for the first couple, all the way back to end of october i would have to say, unfortuantly i finally made a big improvement right before the deadline. :bash: the drawings also get allot shorter for the alloted time period such as the first one was about 1hour 30 min and the other mostly 15's.

profile- i dont know what to say about this one, its the only one which was a school project, the hair was sposed to be a contrast to the hard sharp edges of the "polys" but it didnt work out to well any body know any online tutorials or books about hair, it definatly a weeknest of mine when i look back on this piece.

oh and kyler i missed exactly 3hours and 30 min of time at open studio in the animation labs

[agentJ]

Hey Beechd:\

A lot of people (ok like two) have asked me how I do hair or shade so I guess I'll share my secrets - but I'm very skeptical at doing so because...
THEY'RE MINE! MY OWN! MY.... pre...ciouss....
:D

http://www.sibleyfineart.com/index.htm?tutorial--draw-hair.htm

I almost litterarly follow that technique except for a few alterations, for example in charcoal ill rough it out more and build down and then build out once all the tones are roughly set by using an eraser.. piece.. by piece :d And where hair is thick ill actually try to make it thick..

mmm its a good read

the whole site kicks ass btw :D

A more closer meathod (yet they all follow the same ideas of negative space) is this one too

http://www.sibleyfineart.com/tutorial--draw-grass.htm#grass

[beechdbum]

oooo thanks thats a nice site.... now its my preciossssss, all mine

[the good war]

has anyone who has applied not shown their port yet?

[beechdbum]

yeah a couple hundred and eyal

[Eyal]

well okay... i suppose most people who have applied are as curious about seeing other ppl's portfolio pieces - just as i am. so it would only be fair to show too..

its thrown all together on one page, so it may take a while to load.

http://planetquake.com/skingun/temp/ring/index.htm

[Metrini]

I cant get that page to load after I click on the picture for nothing. I guess my dial up gives up and hangs =(

[the good war]

hey eyal how fast did you have to turn around if you didn't use a mirror?
any more renderings of your low poly charactor, have you imported it into a game? is it avaible for download anywhere thanks
the texture is definatially the best part of that model
tight stuff
stab me for the first question's corn factor

[agentJ]

Interesting read for digital painters :)

http://www.ethereality.info/ethereality_website/goodies/tutorials/mood_1-tutorial/mood1_tutorial.htm

Now on to eyal's sick portfolio (wth man come on i want to get in :\)

Self Portrait: Kicks my ass. The simple frail nature of including the loos lines and then the trailing lines actually HELP rather than detriorate from the image. The shade is getting t ome, those start definitions SERIOUSLY kick ass. I dont know but for some reason i see the eye, the rim shadow and then the rest later, seriously aweome job. Something else is the hair, Thats an interesting style I might want to learn how to do, its so free and sketch but at the same time theres life in it which is hard ot cpature. very awesomeness man. Nice eyebrow gesture work etc. Very sharp and good. You may have rendered yourself a bit of Silver Man with the never ending sub-surface scattering of doom! Blarhgg!. I think your muscle mass helps to bring it out more so too. Only negative crits are the eyes, because they ikind of look like carvings and your right eye doesnt have an eyebrow (or maybe its that its low ? I htink i see it - but the skin folds a re sharp. Unless you wanted itthat way. Same with the clothes/scarf thing o nthe bototm - you have a high white hitting the dark of the scarfish object. It seems a bit bright since there should be shadow there, a light one, and the clothes themselves should be ligther with a middle shadow and a soft backlight - accoridngto how you light is setup on the head etc that is :\

No Mirror? Did you feel your face? Or iamgine the lines? :P or built it from memory?

If you did the latter (or any of them) good stuff them. I would see it as a plus since that means you can recal shapes and are starting to actually take figure drawing for what it means (to learn anatomy control patterns etc) - I think its good - nice stuff :d it is a memory study really so im not worried about the hair, the shading much or the bottom of the neck - although if you continued the nose shading it would have been interesting since thats the only object with heavy detial and might have some artistic significance to it :D

You did a lot of portraits like me :D YEAH! Again nie one. To the point and understand. Left eye stretches too far or you brought the hair line down.. theres just a difference in perspective planes that your eye and hair have, its hard to explain but.. meh :p

No real ocmment on the 4th. I'm, a bit worried about your ears in all of these since they seem small/hobbitish? Usuaully it extends towards the middle nose.. mm oh well. Good contour control = +

Please tell me you called exciting furnite that name. If so you'd get in just for having an attitude. I like it:D its witty, interesting and completely mundane!

You seem to be hitting a lot with "art" with some of your drawings. id count it as plus since theres this sense of passion in you with that.

Your friends short pos is interesting. Good anatomical study. The head is small the left arm is thing or small, or just bring the waist (along with arm etc( up a bit more.. it has this wierd atti tude to it t echnicall - the sharp contrats etc. He looks bootalicious like a jlo. err yeah no comment on that :p Good stuff. You seem to keep focus on what you want here so

No bigcomments on the short poses. Your shoulder right at the delts seem a bit lose. That muscle is strong, it will bulge out and nto so flat.. usually :D, Your traps dont seem to bed as much though either which might be the real problem.

All your guys here are insanely well fit. What do you guys do? Weights martial arts etc? Just curious :p

I wouldnt include your Friends Posing - Shortp oses for fear of foreshortening in some of them. Theyre good quick studies and im sure you see it but.. ehh its iffy

Ringling loves doodles though. SO do ALL art schools with computer naimation apparently - learned this while there and hear it frequently. What I heard frequently from the character animation guy was figure drawings and damn.. what else did he say.. arhgg.. mm maybe il lrmemeber it

great quick gesture though ;)


Nice man on the train. That line shading kind of hurts because its such a stark contrast but maybe some kneeding to make it lfade light. His arm is a bit wierd but his head is excellent! mm :0

Your ifnal sketch book shows a lot of study and potential. Damn I think you WILL get in ;)

Plus the face you seem to have organized them very well - did you present it like this? its quite amazing. I think presentation is the only thign that really matters but I think here you really combine it together very well.

What I mean presentation means a lot comes from examples at the portfolio days. Lots of people just had loose paper erverywhere. Had you take some pictures and did al ittle organizing or some form of mounting would help a LOT but a LOT of them jsut had loose paper - not really that good :\ but hey jsut try next time:\

great stuff man I htink you'll get in :\

:D

[Eyal]

ok thank you agentj for writing so long a crit. i wasnt expecting one really..

concerning the mirror thing, well after about 10 portrairs i would imagine one gets to know himself good enough to work from memory. ive had a lot of trouble with the eyes, i should have studied them more before, i suppose. they are off and the look in them is quite dead.

the good war - as for 'turnning around' fast enough.. mm not sure what u mean by that. the mirror is only a reference, its not a copy source.

one of my friends posing rows a kayak, he is as big as a horse. the other is just a natural godzilla.

[the good war]

kind of a faster than light refernce
ill be quiet now :)

[emcguire]

I'm waiting to hear about my admission, though i'm doing illustration, not CA (illustration is a huge department, not as hard to get into). I'm kind of obsessive about Ringling and improving and etc.

A tip maybe, for using photographs as reference. I went to Portfolio day and Tom Casmer, the illustration department head was the Ringling rep who reviewed me. He seemed to like my work and said that when working with photos, it is good to use it as reference but to try to work away from it so that it is not "hey look i did a drawing of a photo"

Anyways, i would love some critique from any who have the time. And it is good to see some friendly precollege faces around here, though i doubt they remember me :| Anyhow, emcguire.net (http://www.emcguire.net) is my humble little site, please take a look! Thank you!

-Erin

[furryspork]

I haven't been on here in awhile (posted on too many message boards at once and couldn't keep track :p ) Thanks for the crit, AgentJ. The green one isn't me. People ask me that a lot because it does kinda look like me. I did my hair like that once, except my braids were blue and purple instead of blue and green.

I don't think it's necessary for you to email me the angelfire images. I have to use a PC to download them for some reason and it's difficult to find an open PC lab around here, but I think it'd be easier than trying to get them on my email account which only holds 5 megs max. Thanks for the offer, though.

Eyal- I know that you emailed me. I'm sorry I didn't have time to respond. :emb: I just saw all of your work on here and it's really nice. Your shading and line quality is very good, and your figures show really good use of wedging, or whatever that's called when it looks like the muscles fit together the right way. The proportions are a little off on one or two of the figures, but other than that, great stuff!

On a completely unrelated sidenote, why is this :dorky: smiley called "dorky"? It kinda looks like me!

[Velo]

Oh crazy! I wonder if one of you guys was behind me in line at portfolio day, or maybe told me where the bathrooms were! Although.. the place was a zoo. I had a good friend and found out he attended; we saw alot of the same recruiters and were both there all day long but I didn't see him at all.

Honestly... I have to say I was really disappointed. I brought about 15 life drawings and one digital character portrait. When I called ahead to ask a question the guy told me that they weren't interested in digital or from imagination stuff and I should bring basically only my observational things. Well i get there and every single dang recruiter (including Ringling!!) BLOWS through my life drawings, tells me they're great and asks where the rest is. Seriously.. the only crit I got was to "Work more on creative ideas, build up some work that isn't observational which will show what you're interested in." :( Now I definitely know better! I thought that 15 peices was about as much as I should bring out of consideration for the other people who'd be there. I saw a ton of people with huge portfolios and a sketchbook or two to boot! Next time (well, if there ever IS a next time!) I am just bringing it all - digital, sketches, life drawings. Screw consideration for other people in line! /grumbles

[agentJ]

Yeah i've discovered this too ;) Damn ;\ More importantly CALArts likes sketches. Uhgg. Some more stuff: PLEASE MOUNT YOUR WORK AUHGGggg

Presentation is ke and seeing those guys with 500 foot drawings. :P Fllying everywhere and nocking people out. Auhgg. Or take pictures or something.

Mmm... so tired :)

[Dominie_Dirtch]

The friend I have that applied to CALarts sent in an entire sketchbook, set up a lot like the RSAD catalog... CD mounted in the back with all of his traditional animations and stuff on it, full cover design and everything... And then for RSAD, the one other place he was applying, just the normal slides.

[the good war]

it was kind of funny i took like a half hour with ringling at port day everyone was pretty upset
i had a good conversation with the lady though

[beechdbum]

haha i was first up at the ringling booth in san diego and talked to the guy for 30 min about precollege and random stuff about ringling before we even got to my portfolio.... by the time i was done i think ringling had the longest line in the place thanks to me:D

[beechdbum]

hey erin, been meaning to write you a crit, but i cant really find anything to crit about your work, i guess the one thing you can work on would be heads, your coloring and shading is really good but there sometimes seems to be a problem in the bone structure of the head or the size compared to the body such as in http://216.120.227.2/~emcguir/cg/littlegreen.jpg the jaw bone in this one seems rather large, and if you tilt your head up in that position your chin sticks out from your neck some. allot of yours are much better then this one in my opinion im just using it to illustrate my point. your wrinkles are really well done in allot of these and your color choices make really nice combinations. my favorite of yours by far is http://216.120.227.2/~emcguir/cg/headmassage.jpg i have one of those things on my desk and i cracked up when i saw your pic cause thats exactly what i felt the first time i tried one of these things.

best of luck to you in your admissions, hope to see you there - ben

[zDub]

Here's some of my portfolio that I have sent to Ringling.

Good news. I posted them on Geocities! :hmm:

So I might as well say good luck in viewing them. But, if you are somehow able to view them I am open to any comments. :thumbsup:

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[agentJ]

Mirrored the first two:

http://utweb.ut.edu/Student/DavidA/zDub/

Email/icq/aim me if you want the rest mirrored:P

[agentJ]

mirrored rest
woo :D

[the good war]

i like the fig drawings they're pretty good but the man holding the hankerchief looks a bit rushed

by teh way what is everyone up to now that the ports have been handed in?
i am working on my cg short entitled home. i am currently texturing the main charactor having just remodeled and uv mapping her
- in terms of art

[beechdbum]

im still going to my art classes, both figure and private, and personally i just finished up some concept stuff for my next character which is going to be a lawn gnome.... i dont know why i picked a lawn gnome i just did

[agentJ]

working on:
www.planetunreal.com/hackerz

and art for school (we're haivng an art show with Ringling soon)

and MAYBE a comic if i can get something off the ground
:D

[undergroundkg]

working on storyboards for an animation. it will involve the lizard warrior, ogre, and dragon model i have been working on.

[zDub]

Here's the whole thing. No thanks to geocities.

Portfolio (http://bport2.tripod.com/portfolio/)

[beechdbum]

Well its offically that time of the year..... anybody know how many people get put on the waiting list? i heard only 3 or 4 get in from it but still be interesting to know....

[agentJ]

Rumors are the letters are being sent out.. shit man im scared now. Anyone anything? Just post. I havent gotten anything at all :Z Crap am I behind? God help me :B AHhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! *explodes*

I pray I get in :)

[beechdbum]

i wonder how many people applied..... you know agent there all praying too, which kinda cancels out your prayer

im gone for a week too, i leave tommorow so im going to be on edge for a little bit longer

[agentJ]

WEll because I'm stubborn about it I'll say my prayer isnt cancelled out. But there are many of us praying. Lets hope God decides. I feel a bit short handed here, its his decision.. but alas it might be for the best. Or worst. We odnt know :Z

Ok enough spiritual and dementing talk :) Had a rough day if you will

here I drew a picture about it in my LJ
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ghrwah
its the latest one

Im tired all. gnight. Gnight and have fun beechdbum
And one final thought:

May we all get in, Good luck to you all! you deserve it! Hurrah!

[undergroundkg]

i called ringling and there is good news or bad news depending on how you look at it

good news, everyone who is accepted got an email already JUSTKIDDING ...that was mean i know lol sorry

actualy here is the deal. they havent finished the CA applications yet, so no one would have gotten a letter yet, so if u dont have 1 dont worry.
but the kindve bad thing is the guy sounded like CA apps are flooding the admission office, which means tons of competition. everyone proly already knew that tho

[agentJ]

Zdubs folio review ::

:D

alright I guess ill start with the top. The composition is good although Im a not a fan of the style because I see some hestitation and debate to follow it through (where to get rid of the shoulders or not..) a bit mroe blud sways under the white would work well. the face itselfi s good, theres an error with the nose because the cheek because the lines are so hard surrounding it. in reality that line stops at top of the ala (piece of nose that sticks out surrounding nostril). it levels onn then and becomes msoth. in someone old i dont know the effects but from my studing my parents id say the skin loosens up above there and becomes hard (provided body fat is low et c)

he looks flat, the sides of his face dont have enough darkness to bring him out forward (it looks liek a big light in the front)> the ear is actually find i dont mind it like that although id darken it to give depth to the image, same thign goes for the cloth thingy he wears. I like it relaly its just it feels flat. you did the anatomy ok i dont think theyll be that deep but the eyes are off (quite a bit.. the end of one is at the tip top of another).. just something to tel ya :d Your triangles are good t here and it seems well balanced.. just a few weakenesses on the right side to the left (viewing onto right)

the hands in this case dont see to add much for some r eason, i dont knwo whati twould be like viewed in full, r eally you know from afar.. but for some r eason they dont work here.
A) theyre clipped and that makes it look unwanted and bad as if you didnt plan for it B) theyre so far down it doesnt help the image compositionally i dont think - C) the blue lines appear, as if pieces of body you highlight are flanked and haloeed by it. initially you make the blue look just liek a cover back drop or something - itsconfusing be carefu lpeople would be asking what your oding - this is more of a logical and exact reference/complaint rather than artistic. there may be osme merrit here of creativity but I attack it merely because it seems hestitant at first and confusing at last - what are you really doing with it? Explore that, learn hwo to use it - takes some time>

The hand itself is ok but it seems rushed. you mus learn to break up iomages and come bck to if anything. its ok dont worry but that grey sribble under the thumb is a bit scary. the thumb too looks a bit short - it oenst have a perspective on it because i dont see a tone change so it seems to be coming at me relatively perpendicular and flat.

image two shows us some of your figure work and studies. Well I say and a good understand of the general figure. I'd work on triangulation, gesture and refining the countour a bit more (it's pretty good now). CHeck your perspective for errors - you odnt have any notciable at first but with some work around its there.. the legs are too shower, espicially the tibiia. That leg show stretch for more. also the left leg has some wierd dislocation error (look closely) - and a noticable foreshortening is prevelant. I appluad you here for giving it such a good flow that yo ucant tell at first but careful trianed studiying reveals the errors. Work on Gesture here and blocking out more.. totally visualize - maybe a bit more pre-draw work.

drawing 3 is nice. i see your experiment with gesture and movmeent here. there is a se nse of dryness im goign to attack here that I have no idea how to build, but the muscles dont seem to agree - it seems this person is Ahhh what-ever-bored doign this pose - maybe its an aesethic thing - partially i think the right scapul ianst shaped right - it should be tugged and pulled to give it a sense of movement and potential (something professors force students to study early on, with or without them knowing). = teaches you life etc. character. I have no qualms about the figure here - just more anatomical studies etc. For what its worth the forearms are too skinny. :Z

four is pretty well done. no qualms here. just work on anatomy and shape it - you ahve the general figure and idea there. and i see your experimenting with forms on the body, good stuff.. there is a smal lsens of foreshortening aournd the legs, and the butt seems more femlae than male, but noentheless itsgood. I understand your shading is quick for ideas but d ont use that for final shading either. Your face is relatively simple here - Ill give you the kudos for all that and the hair sine prportion is key here and you balance out work evenly - but the face is a mot more than that :z - but nonetheless its good. Im really letting alot slide here because your just capturing form quickly so its al lgood. Im no fan of sketchiness and lines btw. its just not my thing (it was) but i learned control of the pencil and gestural/contouring. work on it.. maybe itll hel. but for the quick drawing its good

Five shoes attempts at shading and mind you theyre well doen for what time is given. No bothers heree -if I saw this piece id' let the student in.

She seems stable, there is avery minute sense of loss of balance here (aesthetically) that is because of how the leg is position. Im not goign to argue you on the position on the paper either, the whole instability thing here works well espicially being on the side of the paper and being heavy - a feeling of instability. it works beautifully - this is a personal thing however - but if id saw it id give you points for getting yoru feeling/idea across. The back of the butt on the left hip seems a bit wierd, theres afew lines running around.. o well.. and id say maybe darker under the left arm near the breast etc. it doesnt seem right ot be so lihgt, not how the figure is lighted at least. Im still worrying about the right leg, something doesnt seem right and i would paint over but initially i wouldnt hurt it. The left leg is great espicially with the fade -again adding to the center of focus bieng off to aid instability and the posisblity she might fall. The right arm .. seems right. i mean maybe sahde it a bit but irather like it unshaded for osmereason. .for some reasond i would only highlight that hand not darken it from the current state.

good stuff

ok so that means this is 6 right? Great shading (some wierd stuff, whats the sploch on her right? ) Anatomicallyin its incorrect, i think you see this, the head is too small, skewed and off. it shoudl be at least 1 and 1/2 times bigger maybe 2.. ut that might be too much. Theres some sploches in shade that really through off the eye, if you gradualized some of the hard lines id think it would be great since on the chest it seems liek she's wearing body armor.. The force and contour is great here.. the left knee is a bit under finished and here it isnt usef for effect since it looks wrong. It seems the left leg should also be darker sint it pops out too much at the eye - that middleh ighlight really throws you off. the left knee however - theres jsut something about it being like that that doesnt work for me. the right arm and left arm are ok in this idea for me. be careful if you try to keep it unfinished or if your hitting it with an insanely bright light. HEre it seems to be a bith of both so i would do light shading from the top right clavical down to to give a hint of unfinished-ness :P ANd dont do the fingers as detailed.. the left hand im argueing abut i cant really say neither nor. the back butt is also good.. but i wouldnt have shade it, just personal preference.. or maybe i would and just light bring it down like on the left left. OVerall the pieces kciks ass but the sploches and head throw me off almost instantly, your focus is the breast becase of how sharp and crisp they are. just work on that head and it would flow nicely. Th er is a sense again fo foreshortening here, a tapering at the top.. careful with that m8:0

7 I think? its good. its a bit cartoonish with the face for some reason (just doesnt seem ALL that right). not gonna really bother here with this one, i se e it as a supplemental and a studetns attempt at movement and feel and would give you extra points just for that

[agentJ]

Gotta split the reply its too long :P


8 becomes your center piece here. its strong, wel ldefined and sharp. I have problems initially with the shading on the left, its the first thing wrong i note, since its so quick and boring compared ot the spooon, like you rushed it. Now overall the reviewer must realize this is a long piece and a hard one to do. so he wil lgive you points for such a bold attempt. i dont know where they go from here - wether to dumb down the review because it was such an ardous task or if they wil lcritique you harder, since your already exhausted after drawing this anyway. I'll take the latter here just to make it harder :-). the shadows yes some of those seem wrong. the cup that holds him seems wierd because it pops out at me, a gradual toning here would rock. Therei s abit of confusion of the items thesemvles. i have to think about what somethigns are - no im not lazy but the artist reviwing this are i guess :P Assume they are so itll be harder... the spoon is clear, the brush seems a bit odd and off, the fork needs some definitn here too. thep roblem is that hteyre all fighting for space in such a positive area. to throw any negatives in there for depth and shadow might make is think its REAL negative space and warp the image (aka too dark to o light) - i would have attempted it either way and see whre i got with it. I think a darker drop shadow on the wall form al lthis would help.. and mabe detailing the light around some areas of the spoon brush fork etc to bring them out. i would be sensitive to the fact the iamge might be unbalanced because of this but it is somethign to take note of. This is where you, the artist makes the decision as towhat to do. What ever you do though, support it, because it speaks as you as an artist , dont be hesitant or the reviewer will see lack of understanding.

the apples (fruits? :P) are excellent here. no complains. mabye brighter if anything, dont outline hte highlight, thats something hard and you learn hwo to do effectively with practice. The spool thingy with string is itneresting the greyness hear is either because the scanner or wahtever means took this refelct too much or not.. i dont know but defintely make it darker, towards the edge of light and shadow so it builds roundness. you attempted tone here to capture the highlight - good job there. How do you build the udnerlying image since this is plastic ontop of something else ? thats practice man. our prof has us draw windows at night thats refelcting our room, the image, the crap on the glass and outside. yeah man.. prctice :-)

The celery object there is nice, the string throws me off and it seems you struggled with it. id just eliminate it all together. Just take it out of the image. Meh too much to dela with as it is :-) hthe lettuce/celery thign is nice though. im scared how sharep the contrast are here - the block of wood should be deper, like a B at the max - t o give it tone, and a difference here. Id make the coutner top it was on a lighter maybe an HB or F to just pslit up the image -even if everythign here was white- you do this aesthetically to blaance our your image and show some difference and bring it out more. its a decision you make as an artist. i would make it flow better. currently im going backwarsds. the real flow im imagine is the top left spoons etc, the string thing the apples, thje clelery, then the glasses. or the spoon, glasses, sbottom right area and left. its eitehr clock or counter clock wise and i really cant tell here. hmm. nothing to worry about but just somethign to point out. the shadows on the wood block that are cast are to ofast, shady and show a lack of respect for smal ldetail. infact all the cast shadows generally show that. Be caeful, i would have gone over it again. I love the small detail you did on the wood pieceo atthe bototm. although i ant tell what it is, iw ould have elminated some color and depeed things to maek it more attractice.

the glasses themselves rock, Middle HIGHLIGHTS AHH. why? so it bounces out at you, just hit with a kneeding eraser and make it circular. you did that with the foremost glass and i like it, just work on that - here your on your own - itsperception and study - STUDY LOTS OF THESE TONS OF GLASSES AHH OMGH@X:P

you can never study enough figures, glasses, and reflective crap.

The cast shadow of the glass shows attention here to detail but its so fast and there this black mark on the bottom right that is edged by the tall wine glass thats corked and the wall, those two right triangles of sort, i dnt see where theyre comign from and if they were in the iamge id delete them. the cast shadow is good though, nice work there. i noticed y ouwanted to capture the highlight it made on the wall here. this is another decision you make. do you make the wall slightly lighter and add more work JUST for ne highlight? I would appluade you if you did it the whole waY (you went half way kind of here.. its ok though:-) but to make life easier you could have just not even bothered, youd be clipping the curves of the drawing in here however - so fret because a serious artist might point that out and anally analize you kinda like i did :-)

or adrawing liek this id do it on grey paper btw. if i did it on white i would buy lots of BAWLS (www.bawls.com) and stay up a day or two rendering it :-) Perspcetive here is ok, some lines re a bit undstraightish :0 the glass thing to the right of all the other stuff (salt wine and uh medicine? oil/vinegar?) is udnefined to me. i wouldnt have included it because theres already so much. Yes it does aesethically blanace - the whole pciture here is beatufilly balanced but IT jsut doesnt seem right :Z Hmm oh wlel. The shaidng on the top right is an example of this. it balances outthe image but its so shady and quick that people question it and that might be determintal..

oh and in the iddle right near the string and the silver plate thign there thers black. get rid of it :Z it throw s off the iamge (but makes it a quirky spin that rotates the image - keep this as a tool for creativity but dont use it now isnce your an observer not a creator)


Clealry a huge undertaking and id guess maybe 4-6 hours? I dont know. Maybe less? maybe more? It jsut seems to take al ong time becaus theres so much. Your appluaded here for doing such a determinal image and i DO get the feeling you got tired and rushed it at the end - this is osmethign i think they see with all artist but maybe if you were anal and did every shadow insanely correctly they would be wowed? I would wow you defintely it. IM not saying minuses here, im saying its a plus you did it and PLUS PLUS if you went farther. just give you some goals or ideas here - very good though



*breathes*

The two fantastical images are cool, supplental if anything. t hey shwo a strongsince at attempts of perspective and detail by the imagination. Id give you some points for that but not as the basis of work. the legs are a bit off insome etc. theres just anatomical errors.

heres where critiques split - do we critique you becuase you lack the knowledge of perspective and movement and thus is a showing of your laziness to not attempt and minus you (or in florida, not add. its been the notion here of FINDING whats positive. so a lot of godo thigns = good - a few good things = doesnt measure up to al ot of godo things - but never minus - thats something Jeb Bush and the education counsel here in FL have really pushed through public educatio and maybe private i dont know but its a mind set no doubt). I would say Hurrah for attempting it but recommend you learn more aobut it and not consider these finals and dont get mad when i say its off and many thigns are wrong. they wont look at what you did right (contradictory?) in art unforetunately - not initally however. be preapred to take some flak.

The 2nd ot the last image is a neat thing. I dont know what i would say here really, the person o nthe right's knee is too low? your overlapping? I think tis cool and give you points jsut for that. A center piece? MAYBE.. more of a close second.

The last drawing kicks ass. iof yo ucotinued that black and f aded it off (since theres only two places where it fades, in the middle its closed up by the smaller hands) it would totally kick ass. asi ti si now it seems wishy washy because the black strokes at the top dont do anything and some loss of fading. If you did that it woudl totally rock - its suich a huge hit on my eye sthough that i cant see it without it. The rest just rocks. :)


Holy cow.. I started this at 10:00 pm.. hell maybe 9:50.. Its 10:52 now :Z

eek i need to breath :) lots of homework to do. I cant answer anythign to night about the critique m8 - ltos of stuff to do - but please ask if you need

I thin ktis al lgood and a nice b alance is struck here. CalArts would say wtf and not accept you because they want gesture drawings and nothing else. next tiem i see them im telling them a monkey would be accepted becaus etheyre admissions seem so anal (when i tlaked to her at least). Ringling might be a good choice, so would Art Center (id take Art center over art academy)


Njoy m8:_) and good luck with it all :D I think yo ustand a fair chance too :).. Ahh We'll see. Njoy guys :D

[agentJ]

Damnit you get by far the longest review :P

sorry guys hehe :) man im so tired :electric: :machinegu :nana

[zDub]

Thanks so much for that awesome critique AgentJ. It helps to hear such well thought out responses. I do believe you were correct in most of your criticism. Though I don't like going back to rework anything, I will definitely take what you have said into consideration in any of my future work. Some of the pieces I did a while ago, such as the first piece. I really could go back and improve on it but I like being able to see what I struggled with before to better judge what progress I have made. I'm sure you understand.

It's nice to hear you think I have a fair chance of getting in, knowing that you have seen so many ports and talked to so many people. I really hope I do, I'm sure just as much as everyone else. Thanks again for your time, not too many people are so generous.

[agentJ]

The review process for applications for the Department of Computer
Animation is underway. We hope to have decisions by the end of this month.
In the meantime, please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.
Thank you for your patience!

Sincerely,
Amy Fischer, Associate Dean of Admissions
Ringling School of Art and Design
2700 N. Tamiami Trail
Sarasota, FL 34234
800-255-7695
941-309-5034
Fax: 941-359-7517
www.ringling.edu

[Dominie_Dirtch]

<--Recieved same email this morning.

[The Genesis]

Hello ladies and gentlemen. I just got into Ringling the other day as a transfer student into the illustration program. I also got into SVA's program too not sure which school I'll be going to. Good luck to everyone here.

[undergroundkg]

got the same email on the 16th !:cool:

[agentJ]

Crapola people getting in already :Z

[undergroundkg]

i wouldnt be worried, wheni called they said that the other dept.'s were done but CA was no where near done, so no worries!

[Tiger_Lily]

Wow ajentJ! You are, by far, THE most determined person I have ever seen as far as your drive to get into Ringling. I am currently a Jr. at Ringling right now, majoring in Illustration, and I just want you to know that I wish you the best of luck with your acceptance and with that much drive in you, you have more of a chance to get in than anyone I've seen so far.

Just an FYI from my personal experience with the Illustration department, if you are interested in traditional animation, majoring in illustration should be your focal point. I have a few friends in the CA department and all I have to say is, its tough, very competitive (but you get that in all of the majors here) and they kick your ass up one wall and down the other till you cry uncle.

What I'm trying to say is, in CA, you really have to be able to work under pressure, with no sleep or contact with the outside world (literally, the only time I ever see any CA majors outside their building is when they have to eat or pee). You get very few "excused" absences in CA classes (I think one or two...after that, they count you down one full letter grade for every day you miss).

With Illustration, you really have so much more freedom than CA. You are able to experiment more with developing your own style, character development, etc. The teachers I've had are very open minded as far as what type of medium you use (some allow sculpture, etc...but ONLY if you know what your going to do and if you show them a clear example of your intention). I have enjoyed my experience so far, third year is when things really start to speed up and the stress is on. More work and less time to do it. But it's challenging, and that’s what I'm paying for. :D

There is something that will set your mind at ease though, if CA doesn't work out for you and its not your forte (which has happened to more people than you think!) administration will have no problems switching your majors....as long as you do it within your first year at Ringling. After that, you may have to stay an extra year to complete required courses for that particular major you would be switching to.

Ringling does focus very much on figure study and traditional ways of drawing, rendering, etc. The understanding of the human form is key to CA, Illustration, and Fine Arts. That is one of the positive aspects of Ringling (in my opinion), if you have a solid foundation of traditional drawing/painting and a detailed understanding of the human figure, your work will sky rocket like you wouldn't believe. Many of the main artists (the administrators of concept.org) that graduated from Ringling were people that have a full understanding of the human form...you might say they were the obsessive/compulsive ones that wouldn't put down their pencil, even if their life depended on it! They were determined, drew the figure every single day they were at Ringling and never stopped progressing in their work. that’s why there are such talented artists coming out of Ringling, because of that solid foundation with the figure and traditional elements that are taught here. Draw, draw, and draw some more. That’s the only way you'll succeed out here. Remember that, and you'll be one of the best damn artists out there. :cool:

Anywho, I think I've rambled on long enough. This is my first time posting to this forum. One of my teachers last year (the illusive Shawn Barber) recommended this site, I saw the forum, and had to sign up! :) I whish you the best of luck man. Oh, and don't stress too much, I didn't receive my acceptance letter till the middle of the summer! (they sent it very late and you have no idea how much I was sweatin' over that one!) So its never too late! ;)

[agentJ]

OMG :) THank you SOOOooo much. AHhh my head is going in tail spins not over ringling but over other things (if I bottled it up I could focus it on ringling or if i let it go it focuses on other things.. its wierd but theres always a constant pressure)

thanks to you all and thanks to Tiger_Lily for giving us hope :D

[agentJ]

you know recently i've seriously thought of illustration as a major... the expression of art etc... or to say the least fine arts... ive become addicted as of late to traditional work etc.. more and more seeing 3d as a tool rather than anything else... i would love to explore 3d... not merely as a tool however stuck by the simple rules of 3d space but as a form of expression as deep as oil, ink acryllic etc..

like.. i dont know how to explain it.. but .. as an art..

if u could share any info on illustrtation please do:D

[beechdbum]

well im back from my trip to utah. i tried to not think about ringling but life is cruel, while i was there i met two different groups of people from sarosota, and accidental grabbed my ringling precollege shirt when i packed, i was starting to think these were all good omens when i saw a savanah college of art and design sticker stuck to a chairlift i was riding :bash: i did get my final acceptance letter from savanah today, "they were waiting for my semester grades to confirm my acceptance" so kinda freaky, im sure were all getting a good excerise spriniting to our mailbox to look for a ringlings letter.

" i would love to explore 3d... not merely as a tool however stuck by the simple rules of 3d space but as a form of expression as deep as oil, ink acryllic etc..

like.. i dont know how to explain it.. but .. as an art.."

agent- im sure you would consider sculpture an art form were your free to express what you want. and not including the animation side which is a whole another topic, i would consider 3d an art form like sculpture cept stead of clay its vertex's and edges, and instead of a hammer theres and undo button. but also remeber if you get into animation your free to change into any major you want your freshman year.

heres the perfect example of what im talking about http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=124639

[undergroundkg]

i misread your comment agentJ nvm

[agentJ]

Beechdbum thats the picture i saw and i loved it.

yes almost (if not) like that :)

imagine modeling one of Dali's surrealist paintings.. mm :)

[the good war]

Approach thy wagon scallywag!

[agentJ]

any letters?

[beechdbum]

na no letter yet

[undergroundkg]

im calling tomorow the suspence is killing me!