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TASmith
January 16th, 2009, 12:05 AM
Here are a few notes on a lecture I gave on American art history (it's part of a series I'm doing about different aspects of America). My expertise for the job is mostly as an English teacher - most of the art history I studied in college is Italian Rennaissance, Post Modernism, and film history. So beyond what I've found and read online, I'm not an authority on the subject. I'm posting this to get a second take, and make next year's lecture better. So, please tell me where I’m wrong, and what I’m missing.

1. America is different from most countries in that its history is relatively short, and it's a country people come to. Many "American" artists were born in foreign countries, and/or traveled to foreign countries to learn their craft. So, it's sometimes hard to say who's really an American artist, or what it means to be one.

2. America has many great artists to be proud of, despite several handicaps during our founding:

America was settled principally by the British, who were weaker artists than othr nations of the time (1500-1600). While the Italians were enjoying the Renaissance and passing their knowledge up to France and German states, Britain was further away geographically, and usually at odds politically. It should be noted that every war between Britain and France had its counterpart in America. (I know there were also Dutch, French, and Spanish settlers, but I've never heard of any of them producing art - more information would be greatly appreciated)

America was settled by Puritans, who believed in poverty as a religious tenant, foregoing any and all decoration, and abhoring religious art, which was considered idolatry.

Even if the Puritans and other religious settlers had liked art, the harsh living circumstances of the New World left little time to make any.

Although Native Americans had a rich culture to draw from, Puritans felt it unchristian, and never incorporated it into their art (except, possibly for writing stories). Apart from this, there was no strong artistic tradition to draw from, no schools, etc. Just nature, and whatever folk art traditions that were carried over from Europe. The earliest known American artists were self taught.

Travel from America to Europe was dangerous enough at the time to limit most would-be artists from going where they might learn more.

3. Because of all this, there's isn't much American art to speak of until the 18th century. At this point portraiture, especially miniatures, became accepted and popular, as Americans got wealthier. Along with this, some people had scenes of their house painted, or boats. Several artists, such as John Singleton Copley and Benjamin West, became popular enough that people encouraged them to move to London, to learn more and increase their fortunes. There’s even a painting by Matthew Pratt titled “The American School”, a group portrait of several leading American painters… all standing in a studio in London where they went to study and work.

This is why the American Revolution was such a huge event – artists had to choose their loyalties. Benjamin West, for example switched from being the son of an innkeeper in Pennsylvania to being a portrait painter to the king of England, and co-founder of the Royal Academy with Sir Joshua Reynolds, whose respect he managed to gain. I haven’t read about his personal feelings, but he never acted against England, stayed in the kings favor, and became the second President of the Royal Academy, after Reynolds. It seems safe to say he was a loyalist. Copley was also a loyalist who moved to England. At one point before he’d left, he even had an angry mob of Bostonians come to his door, looking for a British Colonel. He did his best to paint as an English artist (stories from English history, etc), but still loved America, and probably felt a bit caught – an outsider in London, and an outcast back in the states. Here’s something I found from wikipedia: “He painted the Stars and Stripes over a ship in the background of Elkanah Watson's portrait on December 5, 1782, after listening to George III's speech formally acknowledging American independence. "He invited me into the studio," wrote Watson in his Journal, "and there, with a bold hand, a master's touch, and I believe an American heart, attached to the ship the Stars and Stripes; this was, I imagine, the first American flag hoisted in Old England.”

Meanwhile, there were also American artists who chose to rebel. Charles Wilson Peale was a saddle maker who lost his business when loyalists discovered his political leanings. Having no job, he turned to portraiture, studied under Copley, returned to Pennsylvania, and taught his brother James to paint. He and his brother took time out to fight the British in the war, survived, and then each had many children, all of whom they taught to paint. Charles named his boys after famous artists: Raphaelle, Rembrandt, Rubens, and Titian, all of whom became artists. The Peale family has several generations of artists (it might still have some today! Does anyone know?), and almost all the original family members painted portraits of America’s founding fathers. Rembrandt even traveled to France to study art under Jacques-Louis David, and this goes to show the turn-around in influence that occurred after the Revolution. I’m not sure whether this was politically motivated so much as Paris’ rising importance as an art center. But, from this point on, many Americans turned from England to France to study, leading us to the 19th Century and all its changes.

4. The 19th Century brought several major changes which effected artists. If it isn’t the greatest period in American art, then it’s certainly more varied and exciting then what came before, and it’s my favorite art period. Here’s what happened:

Thomas Cole (born in England) started the Hudson River School of painting – not a real school, but a group of painters who all followed a common theme of realist/romantic paintings of American landscapes. Even if the landscape tradition was carried over from Europe, the paintings showed scenery distinctly American, enough to produce the first distinctly American art. Leaders are Albert Bierstadt (born in Germany) and Frederic Church.

The first art schools in America opened, and older universities such as Yale, Princeton, and Harvard finally created art departments, so students could study art in America. The Art Students League was also founded at this time (1875).

The first museums in history began collecting and cataloguing art, viewing it in a new light, removed from the works’ intended purposes, and also redefining it.

The industrial age led to mass production of art materials, new paint colors and chemicals. It made art materials cheaper, available to more artists, and it created a new middle class, wealthy enough to buy art, leading to a much greater market.

The camera was invented, changing the role of painting, subject matter, artists’ approach to painting, and redefining Art. At the close of the century, art was seen less as a craft than as an intellectual, creative endeavor.

France was the leading art center, drawing many American students, and there were two schools to choose from: Realism, and later Impressionism. America has many successful students from both schools, and some who combined the two in their work. (at this point in the lecture, I scroll through a large list of images to show the change). These are the artists I show:

Charles Cromwell Ingham (1796–1863)
William Sidney Mount (1807–1868)
George Caleb Bingham (1811–1879)
Thomas Crawford (ca. 1813–1857)
Emanuel Leutze (1816–1868)
Martin Johnson Heade (1819–1904)
Eastman Johnson (1824–1906)
Seymour Joseph Guy (1824–1910)
McNeil Whistler (1834-1903)
John La Farge (1835–1910)
Winslow Homer (1836-1910)
Coleman, Charles Caryl (1840-1928)
Enneking, John Joseph (1841-1916)
Thomas Eakins (1844-1916)
Mary Cassatt (1844-1926)
Farney, Henry F. (1847-1916)
Bridgman, Frederick Arthur (1847-1928)
Augustus Saint-Gaudens (1848–1907) sculptor
Blashfield, Edwin H. (1848-1936)
William Merritt Chase (1849–1916)
Eaton, Charles Harry (1850-1901)
Daniel Chester French (1850–1931)
Thomas P. Anshutz (1851–1912)
Adams, John Ottis (1851-1927)
Julian Alden Weir (1852–1919)
John Henry Twachtman (1853–1902)
Beaux, Cecilia (1855-1942)
Alexander, John White (1856-1915)
Kenyon Cox (1856–1919)
John Singer Sargent (1856-1925)
Chalfant, Jefferson David (1856-1931)
Cooper, Colin Campbell (1856-1937)
Blum, Robert Frederick (1857-1903)
Dow, Arthur Wesley (1857-1922)
DeCamp, Joseph (1858-1923)
Churchill, William Worchester (1858-1926)
Willard Metcalf (1858–1925)
Childe Hassam (1859-1935)
Henry Osawa Tanner (1859-1937)
Frederic Remington (1861-1909)
Clarkson, Ralph Elmer (1861-1942)
Curran, Charles Courtney (1861-1942)
Irving Ramsey Wiles (1861–1948)
Albright, Adam Emory (1862-1957)
Cornoyer, Paul (1864-1923)
Robert Henri (1865-1929)
Couse, E. Irving (1866-1936)
Buehr. Karl Albert (1866-1952)
Conner, John Ramsey (1869-1952)
Alexander Stirling Calder (1870–1945) sculptor
Maxfield Parrish (1870–1966)
John Sloan (1871-1951)
Frieseke, Frederick C. (1874-1939)
Carlson, John F. (1875-1945)
Dunton, W. Herbert (1878-1936)
Bosley, Frederick Andrew (1881-1941)
George Bellows (1882-1925)

I know it’s a long list, but these are all great artists, and I always hate it when an art historian or history book dismisses really good artists. I think it also makes a point of the increased interest in art at the time. Anyhow, on to the 20th Century.

5. The 20th Century saw the introduction of Modernism, primarily in New York City. A particularly strong part of this was the Harlem Renaissance, originating in Harlem, NYC, which combined different modernist art movements in describing African American life. Modernism, as described by Gombrich had three distinct movements: Cubism (begun by Cezanne and Picasso), Expressionism (begun by Van Gogh, and influenced by Sigmund Freud), and Primitivism (begun by Gauguin). These movements further expanded and broke up into many varied approaches to art making throughout the century, which I consider as important to art history as the Renaissance in the 15th Century.

The 20th Century also saw the connection of east and west through the Santa Fe Railroad, which was completed in 1920, giving rise to a whole new era of Western artists.

During the Great Depression, starting in 1929, the US Government took a direct role in hiring artists and performers, as part of an effort to create jobs. Many projects resulted all across the country that can be linked to these times, particularly murals. One of the more famous of these muralists was Diego Rivera.

The 20th Century also witnessed the birth of mass media as an influencing forces of American life as never before, with the rise of Radio, Television, Film, Magazines, etc, creating mass culture as a product to purchase.

The 20th Century also saw the first time in US history where America switched from following Europe to leading in the creation of new art forms and movements, namely illustration, comics, and animation. On the fine art side, America began the movement of Abstract Expressionism, although one should note that many of these painters, labeled the “American School” were born in Europe: Mark Rothko, Willem deKooning, Piet Mondrian, Hans Hoffman, etc. The idea behind the movement was to paint one’s feelings and express oneself, through color and brush stroke/splatter alone, trying not to look in anyway representational.

6. Post Modernism began after the close of WW2, and rapidly grew around the Vietnam War. The term often confuses people, and the movement is really a group of smaller movements, each with different aims. I think the simplest way to think of it is as “Hippie Culture”, even though that’s just one, almost tangential aspect of it (the music, clothes, language, and drugs). Another way to look at it is that Modernism in about optimistic towards the future, and Post Modernism is pessimistic. Modernism says that the new way of life, with its technology and such will make our lives better – no one in 1900 would’ve predicted any World War. So art need only concern personal matters, such as the soul. It took several major wars to change people’s views, and realize that the modern world may not be so great after all. You can see the difference in the transition period, right before Post Modernism took swing – Minimalism. This short movement concerned itself with simple geometric shapes, as a way to create a perfect, balanced world… to create on canvas what doesn’t exist in real life.

Minimalist Painters:
Josef Albers (1888 – 1976)
Adolph Gottlieb (1903 – 1974)
Lee Krasner (1908 – 1984)
Gene Davis (1920 – 1985)
Richard Diebenkorn (1922-1993)
Ellsworth Kelly (1923- )
Joan Mitchell (1926 – 1992)
Eva Hesse (1936-1970)
Frank Stella (1936- )
Robert Mangold 1937-
Sean Scully 1945-


Post Modernism saw a return to the figure, but with a new emphasis. Pop artists, such as Andy Warhol, and Robert Rauchenberg used mass culture not only for their imagery, but changed the whole process of art making, as a form of social critique. Advertisements were mixed in with car crashes and images of President Kennedy being shot. Each image is a puzzle, it’s meaning elusive. Some of Rauchenberg’s and Jasper John’s works had to do with their love affair, addressing the secrecy and fear associated with homosexuality in America at the time. Other submovements were Conceptual Art, Earth Art, Video Art, Performance art, Installations, Photorealism, and Feminist Art.

Conceptual art, not to be confused with Concept art, is art where the idea is all that’s important, and the final object is not. Any Warhol could be seen as the founder of this approach, in that he called his studio “the factory”, hired many assistants for his projects, and tried to de-personalize his work as much as possible. Another prominent figure of this movement is Jeff Koons, who imagines an artwork, and then finds some craftsman or factory to make it for him.

Earth or Environmental art is that which incorporates nature in the making of a piece and/or is friendly to the environment. An artist like Andy Goldsworthy never uses any toxic chemicals, instead going outside, and using found objects such as twigs, pine needles, and rocks, to form simple, geometric images, as installations. He then photographs the work.

Performance art can mean many things, but the main idea is that the artist “performs” in some fashion or other for an audience, either dancing, speaking, hiding, etc. The work can’t be bought or sold, only remembered (unless tickets to the event are sold), and you get a more intimate connection with the artist. I remember once in art school, a group of students sitting side-by-side on a stairwell so no one could get through, as their performance art project.

Installation art is a kind of sculpture, incorporating the space around it as part of the work. So, it’s different every time it moves to a new location. Installations can be temporary like performance art, or permanent.

Photorealism is a movement of painting, based on, and emphasizing the limits of painting from photographs. Although direct copies from photos, using image projectors or grids, the works often don’t feel real, and it seems that wasn’t the point. The point was to give their work the sense of a fleeting moment in time, such as people mid-step, although various artists obviously had different ideas in mind.

Feminist artists like Judy Chicago, Miriam Schapiro, and Faith Ringold used art materials traditionally associated with women’s craft, such as porcelain painting and quilt making, and elevated them to fine art status, while their work addressed issues of equality and discrimination. There was also a group of women artists who called themselves the Gorilla Girls, who placed artworks in public places throughout NYC, and also published an alternative art history book.

Realism: While all this was going on, there were still realists painting, such as Andrew Wyeth, and Edward Hopper, although their imagery and compositions differed from the 19th century, due in some ways to Modernism. There were many realist painters in America in the 20th Century, but most were illustrators, such as Norman Rockwell.

7. This is about the end of the information I have, except to list my favorite artists working currently, such as Seth Engstrom, Nathan Fowkes, Scott Burdick, Robert Mentler, and the rest of you guys ;) making concept art. I also list a few comics artists, such as Ed Benes and Randy Green. But I could use a lot of help with these aspects of history.

~Faust~
January 16th, 2009, 02:32 AM
Thanks for sharing your research! I'm afraid I can't add anything since I know squat about the US (With american art you mean US-american art right?)

arttorney
January 16th, 2009, 11:23 AM
I saw you got some Ash Can guys in there, but did you talk about Precisionism, e.g. Charles Sheeler?

TASmith
January 16th, 2009, 02:17 PM
hmmm, tell me more. I left out a lot of "isms" because a long list of that can get as boring as listing endless names of artists, and explaining each one takes so much time. This whole lecture was crammed into a single hour and a half.

arttorney
January 16th, 2009, 04:41 PM
The Ash Can School and Precisionism are a couple of movements that pretty much started out in the United States in the early 20th century. They are kind of analogous to similar movements in Europe at the same time, in that some Ash Can paintings had similar distortions to what one might see in an expressionist work (see "Stag Night at Sharky's" by Bellows) and precisionism was kind of preoccupied with how much actual industrial or architectural things could present a cubistic appearance. It's sometimes called something like "cubistic realism."

Still, these are distinctly (U.S.) American movements. That oil painting Sheeler did of a steam turbine was a bold departure from the usual portraits or landscapes that had been done before those days. Since he was hyper-realistic about it, it is also a departure from the "multiple views in the image" thing that the cubists were going on about.

TASmith
January 16th, 2009, 10:19 PM
I'll look up Sheeler. Is Charles Demuth one of those as well?

bhanu
January 17th, 2009, 08:29 AM
wat about illustration , from howard pyle, NC wyeth , to cornwell, rockwell, then the new age illustrators like bob peak, bernie fuchs, and later stuff. The illustration also changed almost as radically as the wider art world. Low contemprary realism?, Stuff like kent williams, jason shawn alexander, shawn barber.
Hmm you can talk about the brandywine school of art (howard pyle, N C wyeth, Andrew wyeth , Harvey dunn????). These guys really believed in the creative powers of America,even when learning in Europe was in vogue(um..when has it not been).
Abstract expressionism took a really strong hold of american art scene post WW II. Stuff like Jackson Pollock and the like.

The thing about America , as you mentioned is , taht people of too many international origins live and work, so its ahrd to say , whats america, whats american art. James Jean is from asia, Ashley wood is australian. There are whole lotta south american artists living there. Hah.

The precisionism , I thought , was about highly detailed/ microscopic art, where by making some parts more detailed, you raised the psychic/spatial tension in an artwork, According to me , Andy wyeth did that beautifully ( may he rest in peace) , I can be wrong here. But yeah the composition were very cubistic like.
I am really talking bits and pieces here.
My information is very random. sorry about that.

wheezy
January 17th, 2009, 10:55 AM
Abott Handerson Thayer was a great American artist too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_Handerson_Thayer

BlackRaven
January 17th, 2009, 09:30 PM
I usually don't post anything but this post caught my eye.


2. America has many great artists to be proud of, despite several handicaps during our founding:

America was settled principally by the British, who were weaker artists than other nations of the time (1500-1600). While the Italians were enjoying the Renaissance and passing their knowledge up to France and German states, Britain was further away geographically, and usually at odds politically. It should be noted that every war between Britain and France had its counterpart in America. (I know there were also Dutch, French, and Spanish settlers, but I've never heard of any of them producing art - more information would be greatly appreciated)

I have a problem with this statement. British art is not weaker than other country's art. In my opinion, that is a very personal comment and it is not something that should be included in a lecture where you are trying to provide information to the students. Because of the location, the visual culture affects Britain on a different level but it doesn't mean it is weaker.

The thing about British artists that settle in America was the fact that they were usually artists who could not make a living in their home country so they travel to America hoping to make a name for themselves. I believed that a lot of the artists were also portrait artists which early American art usually consist of. (Britain was very well known for portraits and especially their use of watercolor) It didn't help that there was no established school system at the time so the style of these early American portraits art usually influence from medieval times.


America was settled by Puritans, who believed in poverty as a religious tenant, foregoing any and all decoration, and abhoring religious art, which was considered idolatry.
Even if the Puritans and other religious settlers had liked art, the harsh living circumstances of the New World left little time to make any.

Although it is true that Puritans did not believe in religious art, there were quite a few portraits that help gives the viewer a glimpse of their life and culture. I think sometimes people forget that art back then is not always seen as a expression tool but it was just like any other normal job making a living.

Although Native Americans had a rich culture to draw from, Puritans felt it unchristian, and never incorporated it into their art (except, possibly for writing stories). Apart from this, there was no strong artistic tradition to draw from, no schools, etc. Just nature, and whatever folk art traditions that were carried over from Europe. The earliest known American artists were self taught.

Travel from America to Europe was dangerous enough at the time to limit most would-be artists from going where they might learn more.


I remember since there was no formal education in American, there was a popular way for artists to improve was copying prints. Prints was very affordable and was easy accessible. Sometimes, they would copy prints and insert another figure depending who commission the work.

I also felt that this is important but I do not know if you want to include architecture. If you do, you might want to include the Federal period. If you have to focus on a specific person, you might want to talk about Thomas Jefferson or even the White House. You also might want to include John Trumbull and Gilbert Stuart.


5. The 20th Century saw the introduction of Modernism, primarily in New York City. A particularly strong part of this was the Harlem Renaissance, originating in Harlem, NYC, which combined different modernist art movements in describing African American life. Modernism, as described by Gombrich had three distinct movements: Cubism (begun by Cezanne and Picasso), Expressionism (begun by Van Gogh, and influenced by Sigmund Freud), and Primitivism (begun by Gauguin). These movements further expanded and broke up into many varied approaches to art making throughout the century, which I consider as important to art history as the Renaissance in the 15th Century.



You really should emphasize the realism in America during this time. I know you did mention it in the last part of your lecture but it is still worth emphasizing. Even though all these movements were happening in Europe and was influencing America, American artists still hold onto their sense and tradition of realism in there art. America still holds a firm grasp of realism to this day.

During the Great Depression, starting in 1929, the US Government took a direct role in hiring artists and performers, as part of an effort to create jobs. Many projects resulted all across the country that can be linked to these times, particularly murals. One of the more famous of these muralists was Diego Rivera.

As much as I love Diego Rivera, there were also other artists such as Thomas Hart Benton during such times.

TASmith
January 18th, 2009, 07:53 AM
Thank you black raven. Many of the artists you mentioned were included in the image list, just not in this spiel. In the presentation i usually speed through the modern art to the realists, since students like that more. As to British art, I was just saying of the time period. There were some great artists, but still, compared to Michelangelo, Caravaggio, Preti, Vouet, etc... The greatest artists in England at the time - Parmigianino, Holbein were imported.

arttorney
January 18th, 2009, 08:20 PM
Yes, Demuth is also considered a precisionist. I didn't see Edward Hopper in your list. He is kind of hard to categorize, though he shares some similarities with the Ash Can School (he was in the Armory Show). He also was very strong on geometry even though he was a realist, so he has some things in common with the precisionists.

kev ferrara
January 18th, 2009, 10:30 PM
TA, this is a daunting task you've set yourself. Its fun to read through.

I have one meta-crit, however. The anecdote about divided loyalties among artists at the founding of the country is interesting, but it is an anomaly in the presentation... it's essentially the one time you explain yourself in terms of political events. But from then on, no mention of how art movements were shaped by geopolitical events.

I'm not sure crediting the industrial revolution as being just about the camera and more readily available art materials really gets to the heart of the matter. That was a huge political shift that resulted... both toward Neoclassicism (as an ode to the burgeoning US status) and Romanticism and Transcendentalism and the Arts & Crafts folk, who wanted a more humane and human-centered society (which echoed movements around the world at that time). I don't think we can understand US landscape artists, especially the california and western tonalist/romantics, (just as an easy example) unless you understand their spiritual/transcendental quest.

What about the role of cosmopolitanism? How many of the artists you mentioned went abroad to study? That's a huge piece of the puzzle. Which is to say, the salon system and the era of the grand society portrait is wholly aligned with Empire... and you cannot talk about modernism without understanding the anti-authoritarianism and radicalism of the moment... reactions against, above all, the War Machine that was Germany of 1900 and the tragic needless horror to end all horrors of WWI. This is to say that the radical-political-anti-empire types associated realism and society portraiture and neo-classicism with fascism. (You cannot understand Hitler's loathing of abstract art unless you understand that it was, in large measure, a political statement against the Second Reich period, which he loved and sought to resurrect.)

And this leads directly to the split off between crowd-pleasing art versus "spiritual art" (because Nationalism/Jingoism is never far behind when pleasurable mass communication does its thing. Popularity is suspect. Selling products made by large companies = bad, because large companies are a big part of fascism in the strict definitional sense and put the lone romantic artisan out of work.) And thus the suspicion that "fine artists" had for "mere illustration" after WWI. It wasn't just snobbery, it was about War and the struggle for a humane society. And this leads to questions about the role of Jewish intellectuals in the US art world as they fled Europe for here. And how the Jewish experience in Germany simply did not translate to the average American. And this rift widens, especially in the 1940s and 1950s, where scores of Jewish artists who were also political intellectuals who had fled Europe poured into US art academia. And we have on one hand Norman Rockwell and Father Knows Best and on the other Jackson Pollock and Franz Kline. And then the 1960s opens up the floodgates and the Jewish anti-authoritarian anti-empire thing goes mainstream. (Was Sid Caesar and Mad Magazine the pied pipers?) And how the narcissistic 1960s folk, the first raised on a steady diet of television bullshit, were able to co-opt both the perceived hoky-ness of Rockwell and everything Americana (by camping it up, re-purposing, or subverting it) and the intellectualism of the abstract expressionists (by replacing the "intellectual" spiritual quest for significant form with "intellectual" marxoid critiques of society)... which results in art that just pisses bourgeoise people off. And then "pissing people off" became a large part of the game.

But isn't 1960s United States art movements echoing the earlier Dada movements which were a reaction to WWI? And isn't that because the politics of the 1960s in the US echoed that of Germany in WWI? And who better to prepare US kids with Critical Theory than academics who had already lived the history of empire 40 years before?

And what about Watergate, The Middle East, Oil Shock and disillusionment.... which leads to psychic exhaustion... which leads to an escape into consumerism... and how that leads to cries for "authenticity" and this leads to street culture and Basquiat... Etcetera etcetera etcetera...

Obviously, I'm glossing over boatloads of info. Just to say... you're missing some meaty stuff. Which is to say, either leave out politics entirely, mention it in passing for each era concentrating on the art yet using geopolitical events to contextualize the movements, or really get into it.

TASmith
January 18th, 2009, 11:22 PM
Wow. Thank you very much kev. I'd like to get more into it, but for many of these happenings, I just don't know exactly how it effected art. But you've given quite a map! It'd help if you gave some more artist names for these political sides. For one thing, I only heard of Rembrandt Peale being described as NeoClassical, and possibly his son. Which artists were considered transcendentalist? All the Hudson River School types?

kev ferrara
January 19th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Romanticism, Transcendentalism and Symbolist... I've never figured out how to distinguish them. And the art critics who deign to discuss realism around 1900 don't make much sense to me. For instance, Moreau is often categorized as symbolist, but I can't distinguish his style from the average pre-raphaelite. The symbolist manifesto (written by poets) describes exactly what the Romantics and Transcendentalists were doing. (as far as I can tell.) So, all I can do is shrug on that count.

The Hudson River guys were romantics. I guess I would avoid the phrase transcendentalist except to say that romanticism was allied with it.

And how does one categorize Winslow Homer? He's essentially an ashcan artist who started 50 years before the movement began. But even still, the ashcan artists were using the same compositional techniques as the Romantic/Symbolist/Transcendentalists, even though their subject matter was decidedly socialist-democratic. (Which is to point out that the Ashcan school had a significant political component.)

Another fascinating figure is Jimmy Swinnerton. He studied with top romantic marine artist Emil Carsen, (Carlsen and Twachtman were pals, btw), then went on to be one of the key figures in the birth of funny animal cartooning. He was huge and may have been the key figure in setting off the cartoon boom that eventually resulted in Disney. But a brush with mortality sent him back to his studies and he became a romantic landscapist in California, along with all those other guys, like Maynard Dixon and Edgar Payne.

The problem with your project is that so far we've only gotten the first draft of the art history of the U.S in the 19th and 20th centuries. And most of it was written for momentary political or factional purposes and treated as sacrosanct by ideologues who, shall we say, are a kind of political priesthood. One day there will be an art book that talks about Sargent, NC Wyeth, Andrew Wyeth, Lucian Freud, the Taos Art Community, Disney, Comic Books, Richard Schmid, Jackson Pollock, Frazetta, and everything else in between.

Until then, yer on yer own.

TASmith
January 20th, 2009, 07:58 AM
no, I've got friends like you. Thanks again man.

dbclemons
January 20th, 2009, 01:12 PM
Assuming that the lecture is not already under the heading of Painting, one thing I'd suggest is to add that you're only talking about painters, otherwise people may expect to hear about other American artists that you won't be including.

TASmith
January 20th, 2009, 09:38 PM
True, despite one course on photography history, I don't know all that many photographers. It's an aspect I haven't covered, nor that of animation, comics, etc.

If I did cram all that into the lecture, there'd be even less time for images. Still, it'd be great to get some more information on these themes! Any suggestions or links are appreciated.