Disney's Downfall?

[geoffd]

Article (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&ncid=762&e=3&u=/nm/20031201/en_nm/industry_disney_dc)

could this mean the end of the Disney Dynasty? I think it's all downhill from here. In fact IMO Disney was going belly up after the little mermaid and beauty and the beast. pixar is the only thing keeping them aflot and once the contract with them runs out.... what next?

[BadMange]

The end of the Disney dynasty?? Did you actually read the whole article? They doubled their profits in Sept, which is hardly indicative of a dying company.

Pixar renewed their contract with Disney months ago; it's old news in the animation community. The one thing Disney has above any other film company is their market presence. Disney is known everywhere, and no matter what crap they put out in the theaters, kids will always want to watch the direct-to-video stuff and have mom and dad buy them the latest toy in the Happy Meal. Why do you think Pixar signed on with them again? Marketing! The Mouse may be down, but he ain't out. Not by a long shot.

Roy Disney being forced into retirement doesn't mean the end of Disney as a company. Neither does closing their last of the 2d animation departments. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with in the 3d realm, as they have some great animators on staff. And with a firm background in 2d animation, they basically just need to focus on story and technical stuff like shaders and rendering.

-Bad Mange

[BadMange]

Sorry for the double post!

-Bad Mange

[pibb991]

Disney Brothers Studio produced its first animated feature film, "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves," in 1937. Today, the Walt Disney Company is the second largest media conglomerate in the world behind AOL Time Warner. And for the last three years (1998-2000), Disney's pictures have brought in the most revenues at the domestic box office; last year alone, Disney's studios generated more than $1.1 billion in ticket sales.


SCARY (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/giants/disney.html)

[jwo]

die Eisner die

[Mr. Teatime]

who made the Sinbad movie? that wasn't disney was it? Thats a good show.

[infinitipo]

That was Dreamworks.

[geoffd]

Originally posted by pibb991
...Today, the Walt Disney Company is the second largest media conglomerate... And for the last three years (1998-2000), Disney's pictures have brought in the most revenues ...more than $1.1 billion in ticket sales.
media conglomerate... exactly. they make there money from ABC, sports (mighty ducks), etc. etc. i wouldn't call them the best animation studio anymore. not since the last of the "princess movies" (beauty & beast, little mermaid) i don't een consider Pixar animations part of Disney, they are on there own level. unless they kick themselves (eisner) off of the high horse they are gonna fall hard. dare i say that dreamworks may be the one doing the kicking? come on, shrek, Spirit, el dorado, sinbad, the prince of egypt... those are some top notch movies. i do belive disney is on the way out.

[Kortez]

Eisner's values contradict Walt Disney's values. It's sad.

[Bombesei]

Harry has a cool take about this over at Aint-It-Cool-News. Check it out here (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=16604).


-Nick

[ChadTHX1138]

Winnie the Pooh is the #1 top selling fictional character last year, it earned Disney 5.9 Billion dollars!!!

weird...I know. heres the link for the proof FORBES click here (http://www.forbes.com/home/2003/09/25/cx_al_0926fictionalintro.html##Static)

the other top sellers from last year...

#2 Mickey Mouse & Friends- 4.7 Billion
#3 Harry Potter- 2.9 Billion
#4 Spiderman- 2.7 Billion
#5 LOTR- 2.2 Billion
#6 Star Wars- 1.3 Billion
#7 Monsters Inc.- 993 Million
#8 Pokemon- 825 Million
#9 SpongeBob Squarepants- 800 Million
#10 Yu Gi Oh- 725 Million

The Mouse isnt hurting...Show me where it says that Pixar re-signed with Disney, I could have swore they didnt.

[LiL QoH]

if disney goes down.. do you think all the companies disney owns will go down with it? What sucks about the pixar situation is if they dont have a renewed contract with disney, disney can buy them out... but if they work for disney they can still be their own company oi? make sense? stupid? beh! I would love to see what pixar could do without disney lurking over their shoulder

[JoshuaTheJames]

Pixar was the last thread of Integrity Disney had...hah..and they were just leasing it!

-Joshua

[Mr. Teatime]

i think dreamworks is putting out the best animated movies. Disney, it seems, has changed their plan from making good cartoons to making crappy TV cartoons, anoying sitcoms, and raking in the dough.

Sinbad is the best animation I've seen in years, so I think dreamworks is taking over on the good movies front. Maybe they dont get as much money but still. Shrek though, thats as popular as little mermaid IMO.

[BadMange]

Sorry to bump an month-old post, but since we were discussing Disney and Pixar at one point, check this out:


Pixar ends Disney distribution deal

Studio headed by Steve Jobs says it will seek other distributors for its films starting in 2006.


"After ten months of trying to strike a deal with Disney, we're moving on," Pixar CEO Steve Jobs said in a statement. "We've had a great run together -- one of the most successful in Hollywood history -- and it's a shame that Disney won't be participating in Pixar's future successes."

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/29/new...s/pixar_disney/


Disney response: source Disney corporate Press

DISNEY AND PIXAR END TALKS


BURBANK, Calif. January 29, 2004 - Pixar has elected to conclude its discussions to extend a successful long-term partnership with The Walt Disney Company (NYSE DIS) following the delivery of two more animated features, "The Incredibles" expected in 2004 and "Cars" expected in 2005.

"We have had a fantastic partnership with Pixar and wish Steve Jobs and the wonderfully creative team there, led by John Lasseter, much success in the future," said Michael Eisner, Disney chairman and CEO. "Although we would have enjoyed continuing our successful collaboration under mutually acceptable terms, Pixar understandably has chosen to go its own way to grow as an independent company."

Tom Staggs, Disney senior executive vice president and chief financial officer, said Disney management could not accept Pixar's final offer because it would have cost Disney hundreds of millions of dollars it is already entitled to under the existing agreement, while not providing sufficient incremental returns on new collaborations to justify the changes to the existing deal.

In addition to Pixar's delivery of two more feature films, under the current agreement, Disney maintains the rights to develop and produce sequels to all films created through this partnership, including direct to video presentations, television series and specials; and to exploit all characters and content throughout Disney's theme park and consumer products units, thereby allowing Disney to continue to nurture and grow these successful franchises while benefiting Disney shareholders into the foreseeable future. Disney also owns the entire Disney/Pixar film library, which includes "Toy Story," "Toy Story 2,", "A Bug's Life," "Monster's Inc.," and "Finding Nemo," in addition to the two pictures yet to be completed."

In addition to Pixar, the Walt Disney Studios has relationships with other emerging animation producing partners including Vanguard Films, currently producing "Valiant," and San Francisco-based Complete Pandemonium, producing "The Wild" in conjunction with CORE Technologies of Toronto.

Walt Disney Feature Animation will release "Home on the Range" on April 2, featuring songs performed by Tim McGraw, Bonnie Raitt and k.d. lang. Currently in production is "Chicken Little," the Studio's first all-CG effort, which is scheduled for release in Summer 2005. For Summer 2006 and beyond, Walt Disney Feature Animation is producing a series of 3D motion pictures: "A Day With Wilbur Robinson," based on the beloved William Joyce book; "American Dog," directed by Chris Sanders ("Lilo and Stitch"); "Rapunzel Unbraided," directed by legendary Disney animator Glen Keane; and "Toy Story 3". These movies are all anticipated to break new ground in CG movie-making. The Studio has an additional 20 animated features in active development.


Hmm, guess I was dead wrong about Pixar renewing a deal with Disney... :embarrassed:

[Jason Manley]

nails in the coffin

thats what they get for shutting down their animation studios.

go pixar go!

[Skank]

Originally posted by Jason Manley
nails in the coffin

thats what they get for shutting down their animation studios.

go pixar go!

agreed
pixars contract runs out in 2006 i think...they didnt renew it.
basically disney was paying them 15% of the profits..which is bollocks.
so pixar said F you, were going elsewhere.

[Lev_0]

Most of the top animators of Disney's 2d department left and made their own animation studio, you can read about it on www.aintitcoolnews.com if you do a search (was about a month ago).

[seb]

pixar's first non-disney project will probably be Ratatouille. more info - http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808490292

personally i'm interested in who pixar will go with to distribute their films. i heard warner brothers offered them a pretty good deal a while back.