help me uderstand value tones n planes i have no idea

[Tallnskrony]

ive been drawing for a little bit now im getting proportion i just need help with planes n values

[Flake]

Value = how dark or light something is, regardless of colour. Take any picture, lose the colour info, desaturate it, you are now looking at the values.

Tones = same thing

Planes = imagine everything is a bit more square, which bits face the light source? Which are in shadow? That's the planes.

Edit: pictures

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[Equality72521]

found a good example of planar, value and tone, may help


Graphite of a planar head

[OmenSpirits]

^Who is that, because I want to find his/her work now! :D

[Equality72521]

just google image searched "planar head" found this girls blog, and whamo! picture.

heres the link though

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bp0.blogger.com/_V3zFY9674UY/R9A2KmtcAlI/AAAAAAAAADw/RQenHl6oJX4/s320/Study%2Bof%2BPlanar%2BHead.jpg&imgrefurl=http://melissajogibbs.blogspot.com/2008/03/mucky-duck.html&usg=__0j-dyFbk59kYqi4AvjJgIcq05Hg=&h=320&w=262&sz=17&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=OJ5bpybFT8MLPM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplanar%2Bhead%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa %3DN

long link, i dont know how to attach a link to a word

[chriskot]

^Who is that, because I want to find his/her work now! :D

Euan Uglow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euan_Uglow)

[Elwell]

Value = how dark or light something is, regardless of colour. Take any picture, lose the colour info, desaturate it, you are now looking at the values.

Tones = same thing

Planes = imagine everything is a bit more square, which bits face the light source? Which are in shadow? That's the planes.
Furthermore, (assuming a form is of uniform local value), every time you have a plane change, you have a value change.

[J Wilson]

Planes are a great way to simplify the form into shapes that are easier to understand. Most of the time planes can be broken down into smaller and finer changes until you have basicly realism, but using the broadest and simplest planes make for easier learning. Planes explain direction changes on a form. Tones help you describe those changes.

[Tallnskrony]

thank you for the advice but can someone explain it better n clearer

[rpace]

No.

Actually, I think it could be explained "better n clearer", but I'm not certain to what degree you'd need it made better and more clear before it was enough. It might make it a little easier to attempt it if we knew a little more about what level it's needs to be aimed at:

How old are you?

Is English your first language?

Do you have a language/reading/learning disability?

After seeing the effort already put forth to explain this, I think you have to open the door a bit before expecting people to just keep plugging away blindly.

~R

[MiniGoth]

I honestly don't know how someone can explain it more clearly than Flake did.

[Tallnskrony]

thank you for the advice everyone you one funny rapec

[J Wilson]

thank you for the advice but can someone explain it better n clearer

This just goes to show one thing I've always believed, which is if you haven't put in the time and effort before asking many questions about art, you won't really understand the answers, or they at least won't really help.

There's really no way to make it more clear. Go draw, and discover for yourself. When you've done enough work the answers will make more sense. If you need more instruction than you can find here there are a ton of good books that might help (or they might not, because there's nothing you can read that will substitute for just drawing).