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[talmir]

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Comments more than welcome :)

[Ian Mack]

I suggest a reference for the shape of the head. It's a little more complex than you might think.

uhm....the bridge of the nose is the midpoint of the face, the lower half is equal to the distance from the bridge of the nose to the ear. The nose is half the distance of the lower half of the face etc,

I've learned alot of this stuff recently in my life drawing class. I think i have some of it in my sketchbook.

[talmir]

hmm, I tried some of that on the following, not sure if I got exactly what you mean.. (I'm starting on loomis now)
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[talmir]

Here I'm trying to get the proportions, contours and bonestructure right.. Not quite there yet but hey.. If in first you dont succeed, practice!

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads3.jpg

[talmir]

I think I'll wait with planes for a while :P
But I think I'm improving.. what do you thin?

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads4.jpg

[talmir]

Took a few hours off from loomis.. he's tough.. just sketched some pics I got of the net of some old men. Crappy quality I get from the scanner..
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads5.jpg

[talmir]

Two images this time... one is a soldier I drew and I timed myself.. five minutes, that is why he has such "dirty" lines.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/soldier.jpg

And then there is a drawing I did for the Troll Santa dsg thread but I felt he didnt look nearly enough like a troll so I just think of him as a pirate santa instead :)

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/santapirate.jpg

[Xen]

you have the right attitude on wanting to improve, but you have to be ready to take advice and criticism. like mlessard, i seriously recommend drawing from ref alot. and dont think that loomis is all you will need to draw the human figure well. alot of beginners that start with loomis always just skip the text and think its just some rambling. i used to do that too, but if you'll take the time to read it, you'll see that there's alot of useful information in it, he even recommends to get some other books on anatomy, since his only shows limited information on the subject. try to copy his sketches, and most importantly; the studies

[talmir]

MlEssard : I took your advice and am working on it. But I like to mix things and not focus on just life drawing or just loomis. I like to do it in mixed parts.. erm, maybe a bit confusing, but I hope you understand.

Xen : Thanks, I'll try that. I have another book on anatomy named "Anatomy for the artist" by Peter Stanyer.. Kind of cheap, gotta get some other.

Thanks people for your suggestions, and keep 'em coming :)

[talmir]

ok, I post a little more than just once per day, but that's a good thing, right? :)



Some more head studies, I aint drawing enough from life, next sketchpage will probably be life drawings...
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads6.jpg

[talmir]

As you might see my scans aren´t the cleanest in the world, either looks like my pencils were done with pen or you dont see it at all :( anyone know how I can improve this? With what settings do you scanner users use when scanning?

[Amish Rake Fight Man]

Originally posted by Xen
-snip- alot of beginners that start with loomis always just skip the text and think its just some rambling. i used to do that too, but if you'll take the time to read it, you'll see that there's alot of useful information in it, he even recommends to get some other books on anatomy, since his only shows limited information on the subject. try to copy his sketches, and most importantly; the studies

Hmm... just for future reference when I post my pics. I have no idea who this loomis character is.

ooh and talmir... we're at about the same place. I think that most artists have to start somewhere, even some of the mighty dreadnauts that careen through this forum started drawing cubes/spheres/still lives. So keep practicing mate.

[jarvis2824]

Talmir,

Thanks for the comments on my sketchbook thread. Your heads keep looking disproportionate. Try and keep it simple. One thing that really helped me was Dynamic Anatomy by Burne Hogarth. Half the people on this forum laud praises on this book, the other half hold it and its supporters in contempt. Anyway, he breaks the head into primary and secondary, and detail shapes. It helps going from general to specific and really gives you some good structure. I recommend you check it out. You could easily get it from Amazon.com or Barnes and Noble.

I must say that I do like your willingness to experiment with different techniques. Have you ever tried drawing with a pen? Tends to make you a little more cautious about the lines you put down, but don't worry about it. Just draw lightly, not worrying about where the lines go, then draw darker lines where they should be. I did that on a couple of pages in my sketchbook.

Just a couple of suggestions to get your brain going.

Sincerely,
Chris

[talmir]

Amish : Andrew loomis online books (http://www.saveloomis.org/) < Books by loomis, out on e-book form. very good reading.

jarvis2824 : I cant afford the book right now but I'll keep it in mind at the coming payday :) And then the pen too.. All the pens I have are kind off crappy - office quality... I'm gonna have to stick with pencils for a while.

Does anyone have any links to other e-books?

[talmir]

Small update, some sketches inspired by Leonardo

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads7.jpg

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http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads8.jpg

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http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/headColored1.jpg

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http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads9.jpg

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http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/woman.jpg

[Noah Bradley]

Hey there. :) You've got potential, here's a few things to work on:

-Draw with more contrast, I'm not really sure what you're drawing with but I would estimate an HB. Go down to a 5B, they're great fun, or perhaps try out an ebony pencil, they provide a wonderful range of shades.
-Draw with different mediums! Always drawing with a pencil can get boring, try markers, or digital (I notice you've done one, now do more!), or even pens! Pens are great for sketching, just get a few different ones and play around. Remember, learning should be fun! :)
-Don't draw a nose/mouth/eye/anything the way you think it should look, draw it the way it does look. It's important to look at something not as a 3d shape, but rather as a grouping of lines with dark areas and light, which, in turn, will become a seemingly 3d picture.
-Draw a TON from life. I'm still working on this one, but I'd like to just carry around a sketchbook and a pen wherever I go so that I can do a quick sketch anytime. I'd encourage you to do the same, and don't get discouraged when a quick sketch goes totally wrong. I know I've had plenty... :) While alot of the time I'll just leave it and work on something else, sometimes, when I have the time/desire to do so, I'll keep working on it until it becomes one of my favorite pieces. :)

Keep at it, I'll be looking for improvments from you. :)

(Dang, if I keep writing critiques like this my hands are going to get sore ;) )

[talmir]

Silvir : Thank you, I love comments that are in depth :) . I've been having heaps of fun with pencil and I like it the best but I wil try to do as you say and get a darker one (will have to wait a few days though, broke). I'm planning on further digital work. currently I'm studying KChen. I know, I'm drawing anything and everything (Mainly testing out all techniques :) ). As for life drawing my main reference is photos. I am a bit too shy about getting people to sit still in front of me while I draw them :P And I'm not fast enough to get anything coherent off the street. But I hope to improve.

Thanks and keep'em coming.

[Noah Bradley]

You're quite welcome. :)

And when you're drawing from life, don't think you have to draw people, draw other things! And if you're having trouble getting other people to sit there for a while, then do self portraits! Self portraits are great (I need to work on some soon...), and allow you to closely examine every little detail, because you're model will stay there as long as you want. ;) Keep at it.

[talmir]

Maybe I'm focusing too much on people, I'll keep that in mind.. Self portrait eh? People can expect something like that in a few days :) But anyways.. The first page of Kchen studies, I think these should be familiar to many CA users.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/Kchen1.jpg

[talmir]

Ok then.. A bit tired of only drawing heads.. Gonna break into, well, everything.. though mainly the human body.. and as you can see, I've got a lot to work on :P

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/woman2.jpg

[OLSEN]

I recognice those leonardo sketches, leo´s the man. Anyhow, it´s looking good and you´re doing the right thing studying anatomy.

Perhaps you should draw more from life, if you dont have anyone around selfportraits works almost aswell. Well, im not going to pretend im an art teacher or anything, but i can recomend that you get some more input then Loomis for anatomy. "Dynamic Anatomy" by Burne Hogarth is imo the most usefull book on the market, have a look around for it. That, and draw more from life.

Keep going, it´s looking good.

[talmir]

hmm, I cant find a copy of that book here on iceland.. Is anyone here on CA that has this book but isnt using it.. I´m willing to buy it.. erm.. cheap :) PM me if you have it.

Olsen : Thank you, I have not just loomis for anatomy but also a book called anatomy for the artist.. No explenation texts in it, only pictures so I dont like it much. I´m going to do a self portrait in the next few days..

Thanks for the input, keep'em coming.

[talmir]

Only one pic up for today. A sketch, photo reference used.
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/womaface1.jpg

[talmir]

hmm, I think I'm forced to miss this day (Or I'll be posting really late) because I'm out of paper :( But gonna get some more in a minute. So stay tuned

[talmir]

Tried my hand with charcoal. Quickly sketched with graphire pencil and then the lines were made clearer and the whole image shaded with charcoal. I kind of like how it looked after i finished it.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/CCoal_sheriff.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/CCoal_soldier.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/misc.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/CCoal_oldman1.jpg

[talmir]

Some anatomy studies
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/anatomy1.jpg

[Invisible Soul]

Nice work...looks like your getting better. I like the sketch of the man just above here.....keep on going. Just starting out myself you and everyone else help inspire me to keep practicing. =)

[talmir]

Invisible soul: Thanks man :) Keep posting.

This is a test at what I can do with charcoals. Tried some simple highlightings and I liked the results, although I dont like the scanner.. seems to mess things up, the shades and all.. Anywho. It's supposed to be a face in a dream. Comments appreciated.
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/CCoal_lonesome1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/elffemale1.jpg

[talmir]

charcoal and colored pencils
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/ccoal_man1.jpg

[Phlogiston2312]

This is decent for a beginner, some of the faces are quite long. Just to clarify, to be good at anatomy does not mean memorizing information out of Gray's Anatomy. Structure and contour are very important though

[talmir]

hehe, I've never seen that book, grays anatomy eh? :) Will look into it.. Currently I've been practicing hard for only about half a month (since the start of this sketchbook) so I am aware that many things are wrong with the drawings, I am grateful for every and all comments and suggestions (and crits) on things I can improve.. I will try and shorten the faces :D

[talmir]

a portrait for my sister of my sister :) How do u people like it?
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/ccoal_woman1.jpg

[talmir]

I saw someone drew by first drawing the shadows and gradually bulding the image up from them.. I tried it on the bottom two faces, you can safely ignore the top two since they, for a lack of a better word, suck.
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads10.jpg

Can anyone give me comments on "the new drawing on the right side of the brain" book? What is in there except for the stuff about brains?

[talmir]

hehe, 840 views and under 10 comments.. the ratio seems to be a bit low.. oh well, not that I'm complaining.. I just take it I'm on the right path and there's little to comment...

right?

[K-10]

Riiigght:mischief: j/k

Your coming along real fine. Maby some day you will surpas my own "awsome" skill.

Keep it up and you'll be a pro in no time :chug:

[OLSEN]

Hi Talmir,

yea, you are on the right path, i can see improvement.

Keep drawing and sketching, and dont be afraid to repeat things. If you draw something that you are not pleased with, dont leave it, take on the challenge and draw it over and over untill you are pleased with it. Repetition and motivation is two of the most important factors when it comes to learning.

Keep it up.

[talmir]

Today I bought "the new drawing on the right side of the brain" so you can expect a few excercises from that book starting monday or sooner.. I have also ordered Bridgmans constructive anatomy. So literature is on its way.. wheee :)

[yoshiman1/4]

i think that i'm ganna go start a good sketch book thanks to u

[OLSEN]

"The new drawing of the right side of the brain"? I didnt know there was a new one.. Anyhow, if it´s half as good as the first one, you made a good buy. Looking forward to you posting your exercises.

[-The Swift-]

hey talmir,
i've just looked at the whole of this sketch book and it's easy to see how much you're improving. your anatomy stuff's pretty good and i like your style. i think it's better to have some kind of a recognisable style and improving work than really god stuff that looks like everyone elses. admirable dude.
i'm gonna try posting some stuff of my own soon. i just registered today so i should be posting some first sketches pretty soon. look out for me and keep up the good work.
swift

[Noah Bradley]

Great improvement talmir. Keep it up. I think you should try doing some value work. Just look for dark areas and shade those in. Use no lines! :O It'll be tricky (I need to try it out for myself sometime), but well worth your time. Keep at it, you're really improving.

[talmir]

Yoshiman1/4 : Great to be an inspiration :) Sketchbooks really are worth it.

Olsen : I'm staring my excercises tomorrow, the self portrait, drawing from memory and drawing my hand. It's going to be interesting... In the intro she says this book is about twice as big as the first two, plus with aditional material based on new research into the brain. But, yes.. expect some exercises here :P

-The Swift- : Thank you! :) I'll be looking out for your stuff. And thanks for the kind words. I've been experimenting with everything and I find that the more I experiment the more different things get into my drawings. Sticking to pencil constrics people, but going as they say "multimedia" develops a unique style. Maybe not the cooles style in the world but it will be "your" style. But what are you waiting for, go post something.

Silvir : Value work eh? If I find time between the right side of the brain and work I'll do some (oh, and flea-marked just challenged me to thunderdome, time is a resource I dont have much of) but an interesting idea..

But now then. For today it's just another head study. I drew really lightly and I've got a bad scanner so excuse the quality of the pic. Here are some rembrandt studies and some of my own.. the one's to the bottom left are rembrandts.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads11.jpg

[-The Swift-]

hey talmir. thanks for the reply. about my work. i can't work out how to actually post a new thread. i've got as far as clicking on "post new thread" and then clicking on the IMG button but what do i put in it?!
please help me with this embarrsing situation! thanks again
-The Swift-:( :confused:

[K-10]

-The Swift- You have to host your pic's on the internet. When you have done that right click on the pic -> properties -> copy then paste in the IMG box.;)

Talmir? Have you thought about trying to draw object

[talmir]

K-10 : Yup, I've thought about it and done a few but that was before this sketchbook.. For now I'm trying to focus on the human body. En hvað finnst þér um portraitið mitt hér að neðan?

Ok, now then.. here's the first offering of three today.. it's a self portrait, I sat in front of the mirror.. I'm noticing I'm drawing too fast.. I was "finished" with it in 15 minutes but according to the book ti should take about an hour.. hmm.. gotta slow down.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/selfport1.jpg

[K-10]

It's so you!! except only fatter, try viewing your image from the back. If you do that you can see where you whent wrong with the symetry

[talmir]

k-10 : Yeah, the symmetri is a bit off. :) That´s because I had to look up and down repeatedly as I drew :D

But here is something I threw together for the 'draw from memory' assignment, it´s my syster.. not too much like her, but it´s difficult to draw from memory :P
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/irene1.jpg

[talmir]

and the last assignment for today from 'the new drawing from the right side of the brain'. whew..
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/hand1.jpg

[talmir]

A profile portrait of my friend Alfreð. My first live model :D

Tell me what you think.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/alli1.jpg

[chudzta]

^^Excellent. For a first live model. DO MORE.. seriously i can see improvement just in that one .. a sense of realism and personality you seem to lack in what your drawing before that. Keep drawing from life. One of the biggest drives i get from looking at ur sbook is u dont give a ratsass about lack of comments. keep pushing. u'll get them. Give some too and drop notes(like i do) if u really want something critiqued. but as u improve u'll get more praise and more people feeling good about seeing ur improvement daily before their own eyes. GOod luck, i'll be back round - piece - chudds

[talmir]

Chudzta : Thank you for your commentys :) The main thing that's bothering me these days is the lack of a model and drawing myself from a mirror is annoying as I always have to look up and down and change the pose in tiny ways every time so the end result looks ... well... bad. But I will try and get some more people to pose for me since I got positive feedback :) And about the comments, I like them, but I dont need them. people are free to comment and crit as much as they like too but my goal with this book is post something every day since it helps tremendusly to put a deadline on yourself and forces you to come up with something thus practicing yourself.

Another thing I need to work on is that I draw really lightly. I always have problems scanning the finished product so it looks ok.

Anyone here from iceland? I would love to start some kind of a sketch group. A bunch of people showing up at a specific locale and getting someone to pose for them.. Would be really interesting and fun. pm me if interested.

Anywho, gotta go and finish todays offering.

[OLSEN]

It´s fun to see you improve, the best one so far is Alfreðs portrait. Keep it up.

[K-10]

Originally posted by talmir
Chudzta : Thank you for your commentys :) The main thing that's bothering me these days is the lack of a model and drawing myself from a mirror is annoying as I always have to look up and down and change the pose in tiny ways every time so the end result looks ... well... bad. But I will try and get some more people to pose for me since I got positive feedback :)

Feel free to use the pic's I sent you ;)

EDIT: If you don't have a web or digital camera around the house you could try getting on eborowed, that or get your face scanned

[-The Swift-]

hey talmir sorry havn't posted for ages! your coming on really nicely the life drawing was great as was the portrait. just a quick question. as i am a new comer and blonde! what do the little titles under your username mean? everyones is different but i was wondering if it was something to do with how many posts you put and how much work you put on? weird!
keep up the good work
-the swift-:)

[talmir]

First of all I wish to apologize for the lack of pics for the last two days ( and possibly today ) but I've been REALLY busy.
Hopefully will go fullspeed tomorrow again and make up for the lack of pictures..

-The Swift- : Exactly. This has to do with how many posts you have put on the forum. I'm not sure about the ranks though or how many posts you need to post to go up to some certain one. But I'll bet I had to go over 1 or 2 hundred to get to swashbuckler.

[talmir]

ok people, I'm back up and running.. Here's a pic of K-10, a friend of mine that has just started frequenting this forum.. all give him a big hand.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/kjartan.jpg

[-The Swift-]

thanks talmir! this latest sketch is great it shows how far you've come. well done and keep it up. i should be posting my own work just as soon as i've got somewhere to dump it!:D

[talmir]

I recommend wwww.domaindlx.com , god knows they deserve it.. The best I've found so far.

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads12.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads13.jpg

[chudzta]

I may have said this before. But i think some simple basics on drawing the facial features would help speed your progression. Get some really big photos of eyes or lips online. Or check out portrait-artist.org for very good tutorials on the basics of the features. I really wanna see progression in your work but it seems its starting to slide off. Not to be crude.. just trying to be beneficiary to your development :) im such a hypocrit. piece - chudds

[talmir]

I agree, for the last week I've been in a "stoop". Checking out the site you mentioned.

[talmir]

Threw this together for todays DSG. Well, it's not much but at least its something.. not everyday you see a pirate hobbit :)
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/evilhobbit.jpg

[talmir]

and now for everyones favorite topic! female studies!
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/women1.jpg

[-The Swift-]

not mine! i am one! the guy with the pen through his nose is absolutly growse and probably very disturbed! good drawing though, every sketch gets better! thanks for the domaindlx refferal, i'm just trying to work out how to use it! keep it up!

[-The Swift-]

hey talmir! i just posted the first of my daily sketchbook!!!!!!!!! check it out!

[talmir]

Aight, I took this

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/selfport1.jpg

and reworked it a bit

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/selfport1_reworked2.jpg

thanks to the urging of form_n_focus..

btw, anyone wanting to chat my msn is Kek@simnet.is

[chudzta]

nice progression on the last one. the female studies could use a lil more work. but just go to 20 more or so over time and i think the work they need will develop itself. study shape and value closely.. and display it appropriately and they should come to life within a lil practice.. regardless devotion is always positive. keep up the work - piece

[-The Swift-]

hey talmir, these self portraits are good, i hate doing them unless i have a photo! i always move when i'm looking in the mirror!

[spork891]

I have a similar problem with the SP's I've been doing, but I'm getting better! :-)

You are making progress, I am working hard to be able to produce a likeness quite as well as you do! One thing I am noticing is that you don't have a lot of variety in value, some of these photos have some dark areas, almost black, but only register as a darkish grey in your study. I'm no expert, but just a thought!

-Jas

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/heads14.jpg

[chudzta]

Hey keep practicing ... one thing that would really help now is doing a decent eye. The pupil in your drawings are big and the whole eye structure is a lil false and weak. It really is detracting from the work. Try blowing up a picture or printing one out even and comparing your attempt at drawing it side by side.. eyes tell alot in mood and personality and likeness.. so getting them to be distinguishable person to person is key. keep goin bud. diligence will pay off - chudds

[talmir]

yeah, the features of the face are still a weak spot.. I'm kind of happy now about the size of the forehead and the head in general (proportions), now to get eh features right.. I've tried a few times to draw eyes.. next project.. a page full of eyes :) We'll see how it goes tomorrow.

[talmir]

I just bought "constructive anatomy" and started studying the eyes within.. enjoy
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/eyes1.jpg

[K-10]

Odd I don't see any of your images, and copy paste doesn't work. Server not found:(

[chudzta]

nice studies. do more.. or atleast apply that visual technique to reference photographs. this will help alot i can tell. - chudds

[talmir]

Nothing for today, It's my birthday and I plan on being ultra lazy today :D See ya tomorrow

[talmir]

I couldnt help myself :P
More bridgman studies

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/anatomy2.jpg

[talmir]

chudzta : Thanks for your comments so far :) I'm reading my way through bridgman (good book) and after that I'll be doing some life drawing based on his book.. After that I might go through his book again...

bleh, so much work, so little time :P

[-The Swift-]

HAPPY B-DAY! sorry haven't posted in a while! these studies are good. why not try doing some concepts?

[talmir]

I am going on vacation off my sketchbook over the hollidays.. My schedule is packed and I just dont have time to produce something daily :P Well, I'll be posting occasionally over the holidays but just not daily.. sorry people.. And happy hanika/christmas/whatevers your preference :chug:

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Old%20sketchbook/woman3.jpg

edit : Just wanted to add "No references were harmed during the making of this drawing" /edit

[S51]

You've got some great stuff going here. The only real problems with the last ones are minor proportional ones (the left eye's a little lower than the right one, for example). Keep it up.

[chudzta]

the last pic.. i like generally.. the eye thing mentioned above could be accurate because it does appear the on eye is slightly closed.. its rough to tell. The only part i dislike is the area between the nose and mouth. Several things are going on at once it seems and not sure that all are physically simultaneously possible. Was this photo reference or imagination? reference right(judging by your edit statement.. ) anywho have fun on ur break i took two days off and i am going back to the sketchbook in a few minutes. enjoi - chudds

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/woman4.jpg

[-The Swift-]

i loke the last two sketches alot. they seem more detailed. the only thing abput the last one is it seems a bit out of proportion, otherwise, good work!:) oh and merry christmas

[talmir]

First time ever using OC.. well.. ok, maybe not.. I once had a session with Form n focus, so this makes it my second.. so accordingly its not that big or good.. Done with a mouse. But still.. I'm happy with it and will be using open canvas a bit more in the future.

Have fun and please comment.. I am looking for some handy tips on using the mouse in OC since I cant afford a tablet yet :P

My first wpe (rough ogre head) (http://www5.domaindlx.com/talmir/wpe/rough_ogre.wpe)

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/woman5.jpg

[spork891]

This one has got soul, it's my favorite from your sketchbook thus far.

[-The Swift-]

great improvement, i love the shading:D

[talmir]

Now then, since my image host is dead I will regrettfully have to pronounce this sketchbook dead.. It was fun while it lasted.. I have in my plans to start another one as soon as I find a good image host that allows hotlinking...

So if my faithfull readers could point me to any good hosts I'd be gratefull.

Peace.

[Noah Bradley]

http://www.1and1.com/

Bit troublesome to set up, but lasts for three years and provides great hosting. Easy to sign up, just getting it to work (at least with a domain name) takes a little time. 500mb enough space for you? :D

[talmir]

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/elffemale2.jpg

I tried drawing an elf female like I think they should look.. if you are a forrest dwelling race then I think you need to be a bit rugged to survive.. and the thing with the ears.. I think that pointed ears dont need to be six feet in length :P

[talmir]

10 min study
http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/female_body1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/anatomy3.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/negative.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/misc1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/anatomy4.jpg

[talmir]

thunderdome concepts.. Just trying to find the character for my character.. hope you understand I'm thinking about going for the middle one.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/td1.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/td2.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/td3.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads16.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/experiments1.jpg

[talmir]

Café sketches
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/armorwoman.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/faces.jpg

[talmir]

Here I started studies based on suggestions from MindCandyMan.. Great guy
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/mcm1-2.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/mcm1-3.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/td4_tumbs.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/sketch1.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/sketch2.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bridgman_studies/bridgman_1.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bridgman_studies/bridgman_2.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bridgman_studies/bridgman_3.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/apples1.jpg

[talmir]

Here's my mug
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/avatar_self1.jpg
And a limited paletta self portrait based on above picture
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/selfport2_marker1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/worksketch1.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads17.jpg

[talmir]

Whew.. A busy day for me today.. I switched hosts.. Edited every post of mine throughout this sketchbook and added whatever I've posted in my second sketchbook (now the obsolete one) so this sketchbook show every post I've ever made (pictures) on conceptart.org and it was kind of fun to see my first sketches, made me smile a bit.. I really have loved reading your posts and comments and appreciate helpful people like Mindcandyman that love to help :) I wouldnt have the same enthusiasm for drawing without them.

Now then.. off to a bright future.. smiling and with pencil in hand.. Lets get to work

[MindCandyMan]

Keep up the work ethic man. Draw some more from life I think that will help you a lot. Try doing some self portraits and stuff.

[talmir]

I was pretty busy today so not a lot of drawing was going on.. but hey.. here's what I'm currently doing.. I jump around topics alot..

MindCandyMan : Yeah, I'll be doing much more of that very soon.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/perspective1.jpg

[MindCandyMan]

Nice job with the perspective...keep it up man!

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads18.jpg

[Yiako]

glad to see your commitment. Your strokes are more confident and precise.
I don´t know about copying that structure faces from loomis. Don´t stop doing it, but try also to take photos or real faces and discover for yourself where are the main features, where the change of planes... Books are ok but keep in mind you're basically inheriting the author's method.
Keep it going. :chug:

[talmir]

Yiako : The only thing copid from loomis was the face with the arrow pointing to it saying "loomis" the rest are mine. I was trying to think of the shape of the head in 3d.. so it would be easyer drawing it at different angles and not get stuck only being able to draw in 3 quarter view or front. But thanks for the comment..

I'm drawing from photo references from the "passion of christ" movie.
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads19.jpg

[illy]

keep it up! i can see improvement from your posts. :)

[talmir]

sorry that I havent been active at posting.. I've had series of problems with my scanner (I think its breaking down), work and miscellaneous stuff to occupy my time.. But I'm still doing my stuff...

Now then, some on this one.. I am experimenting with charcoal pencils and smudgesticks. I started these by drawing with pencil and then I drew over it with charcoal.. fixing and adding which seemed to make the drawings more defined.. then I used my smudgestick to shade and smooth out the charcoal lines... Anyways.. here ya go, some problems still in there.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads20.jpg

[talmir]

I draw as much as I can :D But I'm not sure what you mean with drawing the axes and then the conture.. conture I understand.. axes? Mind explaining :P

Anyways.. some anatomy sketches.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/anatomy5.jpg

[Barti89]

Nice improvement ... keep it up
Btw. You from iceland ?...
"Location : A land made of ice... iceland"

[-The Swift-]

great improvement talmir! sketches are looking good, the charcoal seems to be working well!

:)

[talmir]

Barti89 : Já.. ég er íslendingur.
The swift : Thanks :)
Icey : Do you mean something along the lines of this?
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/headaxis1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/femmedevil1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/death1.jpg

[PeggyChung]

hey talmir, well 1 crit, the thing that bugs me most is the eyes. yours are very flat and lifeless imo, you should sit down and take a look at your own eye in the mirror, notice how the curves go around the eyeball. and as always, draw from reference! which is something i try to do more often. but non the less, i see improvement, keep them coming.

[Barti89]

Lots of improvement.
btw. þú ættir endilega að kíkja á okkur á #comics.is á ircinu (tölum aðalega um teikningu og sýnum okkar verk :D)
Practise on eye's
KChen shows them well here :D (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1432&perpage=30&pagenumber=3)

[talmir]

Barti : mun gera það.. Takk :)

sorry for the total and utter lack of updates.. I have not stopped drawing and/or practicing... But my scanner has died on me.. completely.. Whenever I´ve scanned in about 1/3rd of a image it makes a nasty 'Irch' sound and returns. I´m not sure whats wrong.. but what hey.. crappy scanner anywho.

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads21.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/blackbook4.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/blackbook3.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/blackbook2.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/blackbook1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads22.jpg

[H.Evans]

wow... great progress!

[talmir]

Hmm.. I'm not updating as fast as I would like to.. although in the next few days you will be seeing more of me than recently.. I picked up a box of soft pastels.. I really like the feel and so far have only made this pastel test picture..

Anyone got any good pastel tips that books normally dont show?

Peace :)

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/headtest1.jpg

[talmir]

Well.. more pastel adventures :) This one was supposed to be a self portrait.. people say it looks a bit like me but I dont really think so.. But hey, I'm happy with the results..

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/portraittest1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads23.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads24.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/proportions1.jpg

[talmir]

Now then.. From now on this sketchbook will be a page or two pr day.. if I dont make it. feel free to pm me and shower your anger upon my worthless behind.. that being said.. I'm going to bed.. wake up tomorrow, draw and post... and continue doing that for the next two or three months where I'll have to take time out to move to another country.. in the meantime I'll be drawing a whole lot and the post after that will be huge...

Could use some more crits and comments tho.. Sometimes I almost hear the echoes of my sketchbook saying "Why me!! why me!! make him leave me alone!!!"... ahemm... ignore that :P

'til tomorrow then, peace

[NoUseFrAName]

when drawing the geometric shapes of the characters like you did in your last pic, I'd suggest drawing the complete contours....so you see them on the backside of the shapes too. After all, it is pretty much a study of the pieces as 3 dimensional objects...and 3 dimensional objects have backsides.

also, try that suggestion I gave you in the irc chat of drawing figures inside the boxes you practice on a perspective grid......it's all about how things relate to eachother spatially.

-Rob

[PeggyChung]

hey talmir, did u do that last one from reference? btw the guy running on your last one, his torso is too long. Have you learned proportions of the body yet? because when drawing you must constantly compare all the parts relatiing to the length of the head. come on, more updates! life drawings! yes!

[talmir]

LadyLioness : nope, no refs

NoUseFrAName : will do

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/proportions2.jpg

[MindCandyMan]

Keep it up talmir...push hard and do studies from life. You are progressing...I can see it...keep going. :chug:

[talmir]

MCM : Thanks.. means a lot to me to hear that

I am sorry to disapoint my loyal fans ;) but I've been bedridden for two days now (really sick) and so no pic will be forthcoming today.. I'll be making up for the lost time as soon as I'm better...

Peace

[talmir]

ok.. whew.. I'm back and better than, erm.. yesterday (healthwise) so I'm gonna try to make up for the missing time with a look into my moleskine sketchbook!!! Its a really small (9 * 14cm) notebook that I find extremely comfortable to doodle into... some of my proudest work is in there.. might not be special to you.. but I'm proud ;) I am always carrying it in my jackets inside pocket so I can grab it whenever/wherever along with a 2h pencil, small pencil sharpener and eraser... Extremely comfortable if something catches your eyes.. The color and texture of the paper is really enjoyable to me..

conclusion : Always carry a "Small" sketchpad in your inside pocket, never know when you'll want to sketch :)

Now for some pages
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/moleskine/moleskine1.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/moleskine/moleskine2.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/moleskine/moleskine3.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/moleskine/moleskine4.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/moleskine/moleskine5.jpg

The last one I did today. I just spotted a old woman sitting on a bench and drew her.. two minutes or so

What do you think?

[talmir]

just thought I should show you my "portable sketching equipment"

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/portable_equipment.jpg

left : 2h pencil
top right : Moleskine s.book
bottom centre : pencil sharpener
bottom right : eraser

[Jack_Deth]

Interesting to see your progress here Talmir. From you starting from where I am about now and seeing some of your newer stuff is a good inspiration.

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/moleskine/moleskine6.jpg

[MindCandyMan]

keep it up talmir...it's good to see all these sketches...nice work man.

[K-10]

Hey!! your getting good:fish:

About the perspective studies; you might want to use a ruler to get the straites line, especially if one of your vanishing points if not on the paper

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/concepts1.jpg

[talmir]

I'm not sure anyone reads these posts on art forums that contain only text, but hey.. here I go...

I've been going around the forum lately and more and more I see the "complaint" threads.. Threads that complain about the quality of work on this site (since there are many many, oh so many beginning artists in need of direction and focus).. they talk about banning all but a certain caliber of artists... Ok, I could live with some seperation.. that would kindof give me a sense of accomplishment and that'd be good.. but this system also works.. where arists look at other artists work and if they think its worth the bother or just plain ole worth it they post something that will help the artist in some way.. I've had alot of that kind of help and would not be so enthusiastic about drawing and all things art if people would have cut me off in the beginning.. nurturing is the key.

I think this site is great.. and would love to see it grow.. the new thing with conceptart.org chapters all over the world is insanely good.. I hope that'll work.. I'll be joining the one in denmark in the near future so that's good. but one thing that I would like is more crits and more (and I cant stress this comments.. People get shut down and made fun of for posting simple "Good job". Whats so wrong with that? I certainly see nothing wrong with it.. it basically just tells the artist in question that he's doing a good job and should continue.. crits after endless crits tend to wear people down... Take mindcandyman for instance.. he simply posted "nice work man." and it boosted my interest and made my day better since someone actually took the time and posted a small "good job".. I'm talking about the whole conceptart.org forum, not just this sketch book or only the dsb thread...

As I've said before
Conceptart.org is gold.. lets treat it accordingly :P

Peace

[talmir]

And now a picture made by my 8 year old brother Pétur.. its a character from the game 'worms 3D'...

He saw me posting on the net and wanted to post also.. so here´s a little insight into an 8 year old drawing

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/petur/petur1.jpg

[pissant]

Nice stuff. I can see the difference in your work from your first posts: your heads look better proportioned now, and that blocked in pen figure looks really confident. Two points, though, some of those noses in the 3/4 views look a bit flat, but there's usually quite a strong shadow line there to help you get the form right. And the eyes are occasionally too big.
That aside, you're using shading to show form more as well, which is cool. And keep up the work on perspective, it'll be essential if you do lots of environments. Don't forget that you could use that back wall to scale the other objects in the drawing, if you want to get a bit more technical (sorry, it's the ex architecture student in me coming out).

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/misc2.jpg

[jester]

I'm not sure anyone reads these posts on art forums that contain only text, but hey.. here I go...

There are people who do... me :D

Just want to tell you two things: I second your opinion and you are improving well!

:chug:

Jester

[bhuddistmonk]

these are awsome dude. there is improvement. what i notice though is that you are using a REALLY light pencil. maybe thats ok because your not shading many of these sketches, but if/when you do really start to study the way light works in a serious way, i would suggest you get a darker pencil. I use a 2B for lines and a 5-6B for shadows.

[S.C. Watson]

Hey talmir,

I read your post regarding the seperation issue, seperating beginning artists from more experienced artists.

I agree with you. In my opinion, if the seperation were to take place (I didn't even know this was a topic until I read your post) it would defeat the whole purpose of concpetart.org.

I know I have benifited from the advice of many here, and have been motivated frequently by a few kind words dropped occaisionally. Artists of all levels learn better when you have a true academic environment such as this. You can get a complete college education here browsing these digital halls. Everything you need is here, from master to student. For the motivated person, this is a cornicopia of information, and a blessing to boot.

To cut it in half, move the less experienced over here, and the more experienced over there, doesn't make sense to me.

I sincerely hope that something like that never happens. It would cheapen conceptart.org horribly.

Keep up your good work. Both with the paper and with the words.

Tell Petur (sorry, can't figure out how to get the " ' " over the "e") that he is doing great :D

Cheers,
~Oreg.

[talmir]

Thanks for reading my post.. I didnt think anyone would read it.. its cool seeing people actually do.. Thanks for your comments..

Bhuddistmonk : I'll do that.. I've been using 2H recently.. I'm going to start using HB and B2.

Jester : Thanks :) I'm a big fan of your work...

Oregano : Thanks. I agree and you just made my brothers day a whole lot better ;)

Now for my posting.. I'm studying the bridgman drawing from life now.. and here are some studys

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bridgman_4_smallblack.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bridgman_5_smallblack.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bridgman_6_smallblack.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bridgman_7_smallblack.jpg

peace

[Yina]

good studies! i;m studying out of it too :) i'd say concentrate more on the form and less on the lines.. keep it up

[talmir]

done by reference in the ode to jam thread

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/woman6.jpg

[talmir]

Heres a tutorial I posted also on the "tutorials" section..
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/tutorials/step_1.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/tutorials/step_2.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/tutorials/step_3.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/tutorials/step_4.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/tutorials/step_5_final.jpg

[Yina]

good tutorial for beginners though i find the facial features a little flat.

nice work with the ode to jam piece! :D

[talmir]

thanks Yina.. Yeah, I've always had troubles with features... but mileage makes masters so I'll just keep drawing...

Do you see what exactly it is in my face features that I'm doing wrong?

[K-10]

Hey nice tutorital;)

What makes your drawing flat is the nose and the jaw-line.
his nose should point out more, even cover the right eye abit (depending on the angel) and his mouth wanders to the left. I usualy try to align the edges of the mouth with the middle of the eyes.

I'm still a novice my self and there are most likely more things to your drawing that I'm not noticing

[JackalAnubis]

great progress man, you are really getting better as I look through your album. Your tutorial is great. Although the features are flat. You've really got the basic form of the head down solid, and the next step is the structure of the main masses of the head. A great place to start is the bridgman studies of the head masses.

[MindCandyMan]

bridgman will teach you structure...absolutely in agreement with jackal...keep it up talmir :chug:

[talmir]

As you might have noticed I'm not updating this often... That is because my days are far too busy for me to be able to pick up my pencil and sketchbook.

I'm preparing to move to another country (denmark) and it takes a whole lot of work.. so from now on this sketchbook is on hold.. for a month or two.. I'll still be checking out other poples artwork and giving crits and comments.

Until next time... peace

[lupicani]

don't stop keep that little black book in you're back pocket and keep sketching away all that you have gained... could become kapootsky. I don't know if you've poste else where in the forum so my comment maybe nill...but take you're book with you when you go to eat and use the john :) I agree with you're comments placed about the site being seperated by talents...it won't help the community grow if you ostrisize others. Plus this is one of the most open forums i've experinced I love the sketchbook threads it keeps me goign seeing how far others have come!!! espeially when they are nipping my slack bum!!!! :) :) :)

:chug:

[The Iconoclast]

Do you know how much you're supposed to sketch every day? Seven or eight hours a day, I believe. Of course, this totally depends on your situation, as someone told me. Still, I think everyone should try to do at least 2 hours of drawing everyday. Just draw from refs and read a lot of Bridgman and Loomis and ref-draw their sketches too.

I think you need to spend more time on your sketches. When you sketch, sketch seriously. The exception to this is on-the-go sketches, but most of your sketches seem a bit rushed. Spend ten to twenty minutes trying to get the basic idea of the figure down, and then work on details. If you can't capture the idea in ten or twenty minutes, ditch the sketch and move on to the next one. It's so easy to rush drawings, but take your time and you will see amazing improvements.

I, too, am sort of stuck where you are right now, but I've been drawing 3 hours a day from refs and I've improved IMMENSELY! It becomes so much fun after a while, so bear the pain for a little bit and I guarantee you that you'll have a good time.

I tend to ramble a little bit, so I hope that motivates you somewhat. It's so easy to get carried away with the theory of drawing, but in the end, you just have to sit down and DRAW!

:D :chug: Good stuff, I wanna see MORE!

[talmir]

Iconoclast : Good advice.. I will be trying to draw for at least two hours a day every day when I get settled in.. 14 days til I move to denmark :) It's gonna be great. And its true that I rush my sketches a bit.. Will be trying to move a little slower in the future. Thanks.

lupicani : My little sketch book goes with me wherever I go.. Gotta get more, this one is filling up fast.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads25.jpg

[talmir]

Some more heads:
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads26.jpg

comments, chit chat and ... stuff appreciated

[van]

Lots of improvement going on in here! Keep drawing! :fish:

[-The Swift-]

Hey T. good to have you back! nice lil update you got here! yep, you just keep at it, your getting better each time! :coffee:

[talmir]

Hey swift.. good to be back. It sucks that this page was hacked but good that its up again. I hear they're gonna go away from this blue look so the future looks pretty bright.

on head nr.7, Do you think I achive a 3D look? or does it look like I drew the features on a flat plane?

Comments muchly appreciated

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads27.jpg

[talmir]

and one more for today
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads28.jpg

[van]

Keep rocking, man. Still looking good. :)

[talmir]

Thanks Van. :) I've been busy so I havent been able to do too much drawing but hey, the main point is drawing something every day, but soon.. mwahaha, soon I will be able to dedicate myself more to my pencils... mwahahaha

Anyways... here are some more of my attempts at memorising the planes of the head and putting them down on paper... they are tough :P
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads29.jpg

[Eew]

Hi there :cyberguy:

as a novice i dont realy feel right with giving any cc so i'll give just some tips that i use .... first of all i see that you dont stop with sketching that good but try to put structure in sketching cause as now you are in the learning proces, i know that it doesnt sound like a lot of fun and actualy it isnt but the main goal is defenetly worth if... you started to draw with heads (i with hands ) study different parts , draw several pages of only one part till you feel comfortable with it and then move on to the next part then do the basic egg lookalike shape of head and draw it all possible directions and do it over and over till the results are :chainsaw: .... and move on .. so that kinda thing that i TRY to keep to...

[The Iconoclast]

Of those last four head sketches, I like number twelve because of the darker shading and I like number 14 because the features pop out a bit. The lips, especially, are a refreshing change, in that last head sketch. Your sketches seem a bit tight and tense, so try and grab some ink and loosen up your hand. Practising with inks will help your line quality a lot. And where are those refs? :clapping2

I'm sure you've heard this before, but your improvement is very obvious and you're on the right track.

[talmir]

Thanks Iconoclast. Means alot to me :) I have found out that the faber castell artist pens arent intuitive enough for me to enjoy them and the brushpens are a bit too broad and unforgiving.. I gotta find some good ball point pen in the future.

I have now taken the decision that I have drawn enough of disembodied heads and from now on I will be focusing on drawing the human body in its entirety. Focusing on one specific point of it is a bit tedious but I will be back to that in due time... Future : Full bodies and "other stuff" too.

Peace

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads_colorsplash1.jpg

[talmir]

Sorry about the text only update :P

Shit man, the last few days have been busy.. I'm working every day and finalizing the preperations to move to denmark.. I'm moving next week. It's gonna rule sooo much. I will be starting in school, Vitus bering, Horsens to learn IDingenør. Which is kind of a computer technician. I´m hoping to specialize in programming. Also I am hoping to find some art classes. Some life drawing classes would be great. But I´m not getting my hopes up tho, You never know what time brings. I will be living a kilometer from the center of town so the cafés are not far. It will be heaven sketching and drawing over a cup of coffee or glass of beer in the sun for once. :)

ahh.. good times ahead. But in case you´re wondering (which, judging by the reply to post ratio of this thread, I doubt anyone cares) where the posts are.. Dont worry. you´re dose of talmir-made-crap-on-paper will be up once in a while. When I´m settled in out there I am hoping to get into full swing at this. Peace and quiet in my own apartment in a strange new land.

Well.. enough from me.. I think you dont care but what hey. People read my last text post which I was delightfully surprised at so who knows. Maybe you´ll read this one.

Off I go now. Until next time. Peace

p.s : Dont be shy to post. I´ve heard replys ranging from that I´m the worst artist in the whole world up to good and helpfull... so please.. do post your thoughts. I value them.

[talmir]

Experimenting with markers, brushpen and color pencils (Karisma) using a technique that Goran described to me... failed, but practice makes perfect.. then there is some more miscelaneous sketch stuff...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/misc3.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/head1.jpg

[endregan]

you are getting there. Keep pushing it!

Dont forget to draw from life, that is where you learn a lot. Keep up the studies.

[talmir]

Did a self portrait tonight.. I think it turned out a bit better than my first SP. Of course there are many major problems.. Like the eyes and ears.. but practice makes perfect.

Endregan : I hope so and will do :)

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/selfport1.jpg

[MindCandyMan]

Good to see you working from life talmir! Be careful when doing your self portrait that you don't let your mind go astray. I can guarantee 100% that your eyes are not that almond shape and that there are not dark lines above and below your eyes like that. Really squint down and look for the shadow shapes...if you can't see a difference between two shadow areas...like if you squint down and your eye just barely is visible...then make your eye just barely visible in your drawing. Don't draw what you know (eyes, ears, nostrils) judge all the values and the placement of features, etc... based on how they "actually" look in real life. The values should relate to each other...find your darkest dark and your lightest light and then go from there.

[talmir]

Yeah, you're right, my symbol system is kickin in too much. I have to re-read "drawing on the right side of the brain". I'll be looking into the suggestion of peering my eyes tho. Good advice.


Well.. my sketch page for today. I draw every day but most of my stuff I feel is a waste of bandwidth to post :P Well... here ya go.
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/misc4.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/misc5.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/misc6.jpg

[hito]

hey Talmir. Good luck on your move and new school

Looking at the new batch, you're definitely getting a better grasp of the anatomy of the face. Its a good time to go back and merge it with the basics of construction lines like your first image in this thread.

An egg sitting on top of a block makes up the head... 5 eyes width and divide the head into 3rds beginning at the hair line [the place where the top and front plane of the head meets] to mark your brow, base of nose, and bottom of chin.

for faces in perspective, draw some cubes to find the placement of features in perspective. Draw diagonals from the corners of any face on the cube to find the center line, divide it into 3rds to place your brow, base of nose, and bottom of chin.

Keep up the studies, and draw as much as you can from life. take some time to observe and apply what you know about anatomy to what you see in life before putting the pencil to paper.

[talmir]

Thanks Hito. Words of gold. I will be doing some practices with those construction lines first thing tomorrow. (its 3 at night here now :P)

I've been a bit frustrated lately though because I'm damn slow at picking things up. I've been working on this for a long time, 8 months and I'm just now starting to feel like I can work on the face with a little bit of confidence (alas, still with major issus). It'll be another ten years before I'll be acceptably good :P

still, no pain, no gain :nopity:

[liam.c]

makeing some improvements looks liek mate )verry nice
i think though u are still understateing the nose a bit .. nose really comes off the face your sorta cuting off the ball of the nose looks liek and not shrue if you are but looks liek it bah its tryiig to aligen thease for me (
dont worrie .. waht happens is you will have spurts of growth in your ablity wich will come closer and closer to eachother <you will start to have good days more then bad days > then it will platau for a bit and the new stuff you learn will have to gestate for a bit ..then ..ect
over all dont worrie about geting better or improvements soo much as enjoying laying down the lead and enjoy the process ... you will get good as a byproduct of this


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[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads31.jpg

[talmir]

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/misc7.jpg

[PeggyChung]

hey talmir, i think i asked you before but are you working from ref yet? if not, that may be the problem why your head drawings are a little off.

[NoUseFrAName]

keep it up man! you're really improving!
I think you should keep pushing your knowledge of perspective-even when it comes to faces....
...what I'm noticing, particularly in your 3/4 views, is that the far sides of the faces need to wrap around the heads more....everything on the far sides of the noses seems to flatten out.

Keep working on it!

-Rob

[talmir]

Lioness : No ref most of the time.. But I sometimes go and really study someones head shape and all. Makes them more uncomfortable than if I was simply drawing them :cool:

NoUseFrAName : Will do. I think I see what you mean.

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/headsingle1.jpg

[MindCandyMan]

I would definitely draw from life more talmir it would help you learn the proper construction of the head...as of right now you are trying to imagine something you haven't really done from life...it makes it twice as hard man.

[talmir]

Yeah, I know.. I really need to do more from life, but alas currently I do not have access to any life drawing sessions.. sketch groups.. or any people willing to pose for me for the 20 odd minutes it takes to draw someone quickly :(

But I am moving to denmark next friday and at that time I expect to be able to sit at cafés and such, maybe even find a life drawing group (which would be great)... But currently I am stuck with my attempts at constructing the head from memory :wip:

But rest assured. I will do more life drawings in the near future. :party:

[MindCandyMan]

Hey bro do your self portrait or draw things around the house. Setup an apple under a single light source and work on it for days till it looks exactly like it! There are opportunites to draw from life all around...even go outside and draw trees, etc... You just want to be able to see light in real situations.

[talmir]

Ahh.. I am back. I have finally settled in in my new home, started school and such. Getting a new routine in my life. After a month I have only two pics I'm not totally embarassed to show.. I've been drawing a bit from life but most of my attempts look worse than my eight year old brothers doodles... But still, I feel like I am improving with it...

Anywho. to cut a long story short. I am in denmark now, got more time on my hands. Expect frequent updates. :)

The first piece is a statue of a deer leaning into a pond and taking a drink. Its a pretty big statue in the center of the city I live in. Kind of relaxing sitting down at a cafe there and doodle away.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/bambi.jpg

And this is a head I drew for a personal project. I know about two problems, the nose is not "correct" and the face has a bit of a distortion problem.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/billydrawn.jpg

edit : Fixed typo
But please, if you have any crits for me, please.. Fire away.

[talmir]

Well, More stuff here, All of them were done for the Conceptart Academy threads but I thought to keep all my stuff together.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/linequality2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/linequality1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/selfPortrait1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Memory1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads32.jpg

[talmir]

Been hibernating for quite a while now. Picking up the pencil again now. Expect more to follow soon :)

But for now just a little page of heads from me head...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads33.jpg

[talmir]

Fifteen minutes. Photo reference. I tuned down the lights a bit, fullscreened the pic and sat five meters away to get a sortof life drawing feel. Its the best I can do now with no live subjects around me :P
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads34.jpg

Edit: Fixed link

[-The Swift-]

hey Talmir, good to have you back.
Why not try self portriats if you want a live model. It also gives you alot of control over what you're drawing, how long for, lighting etc.

Good work,
Keep it up! :)

[talmir]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads36.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads35.jpg

[talmir]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads37.jpg

[talmir]

selfportrait, my third one. 41 minute in front of a mirror
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/selfport2.jpg

[NobodyYouWouldKnow]

Thanks for the reply to my thread, Talmir.

I can see you are slowly making some progress. You are doing a good job. It is really, really hard to improve one's ability to draw. So even a small improvement over a while is truly impressive. I mean, I've been trying to improve for over 10 years and I still haven't made any progress whatsoever!

By the way, the reason I don't say anything is because I'm not allowed to write anything in my own thread or I'll be banned.

[talmir]

Thank you for replying in this thread. A rarity indeed ;)

I saw good improvement in your thread tho, pretty good.
Why cant you say anything there?

[pissant]

Dude, you're back! I seem to remember this being one of the earlier sketchbooks. Have you had exams or something? Don't go doing what I did and taking five month breaks, now. I just checked out the first page, and you've improved a lot. I'm liking that one of the older guy from yesterday: I'm too scared to start doing heads yet. That sp's looking good, but the eyes look either too big or over-worked compared to the rest of it.
Keep 'em coming!

[NightVision]

hey talmir,

I think you need to brush up your observational skills. A lot.

I saw your Loomis studies ... where you sorta gave up after a while because his teaching didn't really help you make good portraits, and you came up with your own way, I guess based on what you think makes a 'realistic face'. I do applaud you for coming up with your own way, it's a great skill to be able to think beyond your books ! And indeed you started to improve.

But, the reason the loomis method failed you, is because you did not apply the rules correctly. The biggest mistake you make, is that the line you draw from the cross straight down, should be a lot shorter than you draw it (depending on the POV, only about the part lower than the nose sticks out under the circle). This results in a long, narrow face. Also, the circle takes up a way bigger part of the head than you draw it, which is heavily related with the previous mistake I mentionned. The result here is, that usually you're missing a lot of 'back' the the head. And from there it's pretty much a lost case to make real face out of that construction.
When you got to the planes, again the construction is wrong, because you don't spend enough time & effort on observation, analysing and correcting.

My advice is, to go back to loomis, to the basics, and do whatever you can to get it RIGHT !
Use whatever method necessary to actually draw what you SEE.
Here are a few:
* get some tracingpaper and trace it, to get a feel for the proportions
* turn both example and your drawing upside down or mirror them (look at the back towards the light) to not see a face in the lines you draw, but to study proportions, angles and sizes of the lines
* draw your face-drawing at the same size as the example (draw a box around the example, and draw the same size box on your page, than fit your face in the box. If the example is really small, scan it in your pc and resize it bigger & print, to a comfortable size). Now you can at any time put both pages on top of each other and look at them towards a lightsource, so you see both. Try to draw it with as few aid as you need, but anytime you get in trouble, check where you are going wrong. Do this for the loomis exercises (page 21 and up), so you get it right from the early steps on.
* measure (distance between) important points, on both the example and your own pic
* use not only one method, use them all, even come up with some of your own, later on u can omit some that don't seem to help as much as the others

I'm confident, that if you do this with a lot of effort to get it really right, you'll get those basics down in a matter of probably only weeks. I know it's sorta going back and forgetting what you learned so far, but after a (probably not that long) while you'll be able to combine what you learned so far with your new knowledge, and surpass it. And then, when drawing from photo's or from life, when learning perspective, or whatever you'll learn in the future, you'll find that you did not just learn how to construct a face, but how to learn and improve faster. Which, I guess, makes it well worthed to put in the effort & time !!!

Good luck !

[talmir]

wow.. just... wow... Big response there buddy :perv:

pissant : Hey, I'm back!, ehemm.. I did indeed take a break from drawing tho it was involuntary, you see, I moved to another country and settling in and starting in school in between sleep and learning a new language has taken qutie a bit of my time. But now the second semester is starting and I will be able to squeeze in quite a bit of practice. And yeah, my sketchbook is gettin' pretty old now comparitively. I started mine before the whole sketchbook of last year started and everyone got a sketchbook, it killed the reply count on these threads quite dramatically. But hey, the more the merrier they say... yup, they say that.

NightVision : I will start these practices you spoke of. I remember drawing fro loomis and I see now that my mistake has been treating the starting circle like the cranium and gluing the features and jaw outside it, kindof a big mistake I know :P Well, I will be doing his studies to improve, thank you for your input, its valuable to me.

From now on I will only be showing really the stuff that I am happy with and feel comfortable showing so as to not drowning you people with tons of utter crap :D

I did this one in ten minutes, a part of a batch of three but I dont want to show utter crap, so I picked the best out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/selfport3.jpg

[-sideshowbob-]

w0w man :D very nice !

seems something wrong with the nose wing.. looks bit to wide to me..

same with the side of the face which is civered by shadow

when this is ur face -> |___| <- and this is the symmetrie axis -> |_|_|

then this drawing seems like this -> |_|__| <-
its because of shadow.. i see that u used to indicate the symmetrie axis in ur pic

move the shadow are inside the face .. that should fix it.. but for 10 min sketch.. this one is very nice :D

next head will be better for sure :D
looks like u imrpved a lot since yesterday :blahblah:


keep it up maaaan :donk:

[drup]

I think there is too much shadow at the left nose wing.
And, did you start with drawing the outline of the head? Because the left cheek seems bigger than the right one

Keep it up!

[NightVision]

looks much more 3D !

forehead seems a bit big ... although hard to judge without a photo.
Some symmetry problems.
Some features are more as if looking straigt at us, some a bit more from the side (left cheek). Your setup (ball & line) indicates you're drawing a full straight on view ... either stick with it, or change the setup (and then stick with that) ...
Eyes are not very much 3D: imagine them as a ball with skin over it & slits in the skin (check loomis for a better explanation, heh). They may be a bit too close to each other as well.

Good work for 10 minutes though, keep 'em coming.

[talmir]

hehe, I think I know what went wrong for some of the things mentioned, you see when I draw a self portrait I use a mirror I bought at ikea and balance it in front of my monitor so I am looking straight at myself. In the middle of the drawing session it fell forward and I think I changed posture. It might not be the answer to all the faults but some might be explainable :P

[talmir]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/sp1.jpg

[NightVision]

cool man, that is so much better !

Still some trouble area's ...
in the ideal face, distance from chin to nosebottom (nostrils), from there to eyebrows and eyebrows to start of hairline, are equal. About half that distance to the top of the skull.
Based on that, I think the nose is too short, and there's too much space between nose & lip. Of course your face proportions might slightly differ from the quoted ones, study your face for a while ... that's the good thing about selfportraits, you can stare as long as you want, lol.

Based on that nose and your ear-placement (normally from bottom of nose to brow), you might have moved between a straight on and slightly upward view. I know it's a bitch to correct that ... when I draw from a model I sometimes end up with quite weird anatomy cause she moved and I saw too late, lol. Pulling back regularly and taking a good, analyzing look at your drawing will help.

More !!

[talmir]

A fun sketch session with a friend produced this page
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/sketchpage1.jpg

[talmir]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads2.jpg

[Jokisalo]

man from the first to last pic you have done huge improvement!
its very useful to watch daily others works and analyze them and maby trying to remember some of the parts from here and there, i'dl help you in future.
just keep drawing a lot your stuff looks good and dont get frustrated if you have bad days just keep your head up always 'cos learning to draw takes a lot of time!!!
visit my thread please if you get time, thanks.

[Shylone_Breath]

yes ! good improvement since the beginning .
may be you should draw other thing than portrait and heads.
:) take care and Keep drawing!

[talmir]

The reason I dont often draw other than heads is because I promised myself at the start of the sketchbook to make my heads acceptable before weering off to something else, and since people still tell me to go back to the basics I take it they are not acceptable yet. Not a bad thing, and I do as people say since I value good advice. I am not really talented at drawing so this is a bit more of a struggle for me than many. But hey, learning is a part of the journey. I'll promise I'll draw other things and post pretty soon but for the time being I think I'll stick to my heads :D

:perv:

[talmir]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/sp2.jpg

[NightVision]

hey talmir, nice portrait !! That must be your best sp so far (without photo it's hard to tell whether is looks like you) ?!

head divisions are much better, symmetry as well ! Now I suppose it's time to give some attention to the width of the face. It may be too long, or too narrow (which is in a way the same thing). The space between the eyes seems too close (ideal measure is 1 eye in between), so you could check if they're really that close (trace a good, frontal picture if you can't figure it out).

The portrait from feb 15: recheck the eye ... remember, a ball with some skin & slit ...

If you have the time, you could do a (self)portrait a day, and do some study (books, observation, referenced & non-ref'ed drawings, ...) as well ... and pick a new subject every few days/weeks or whatever feels good to you.
The reason is, that sometimes you can get stuck with one subject, and then by working on other things, you learn enough that helps you continue the previous subject.

Keep going, your improvement is quite obvious ! Can't wait to see what's next. :)

[talmir]

I just noticed something that amazed me.

Ok, I've been kind of depressed lately because of my drawings. I've felt that I was just fumbling in the dark. But then I noticed this:

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30018

I find this amazing because I was put there with so many big names and two actually voted for me out of 114. Ok, I know it isnt much but the fact that I was put there is a recognition in my mind that I did not expect. I'm pumped full of energy and positivity so .. well.. COOL!

I luv ya all. <3

[talmir]

This is my first Acrylic painting ever. Not sure what to do to get smooth paint effect, but I'm pretty happy with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/watercolor1.jpg

Whoops, I first said it was watercolor, its acrylic.

[-sideshowbob-]

looking c00l :D

any reference used ? looks like kinda military guy.. general or so O_o because of the green cloth

smooth paint effect : more water less color * maybe.. i dunno*


:painting: more pls :painting:

[talmir]

Well, its night time I got a camera and showed you all what I look like. Revealing my inability to capture a good likeness. :wink:

About the painting. No reference used, just my imagination. Wanted to give off a bit of a surreal look so his head was misproportioned on purpose. I like it in a way.

The lack of updates with drawings and such is due to my not producing anything I deem worthy of posting. But I still draw like a mad chihuahua high on coffeine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/Picture002.jpg

[pvpham]

talmir you have progressed alot with the head drawing. Good work.
Acrylic painting..cool. I've never tried it before, is it hard?

[talmir]

pvpham: My experience so far of acrylics is that its pretty easy to paint with, and fast. It dries within a minute of touching the paper so you can lay down the paint pretty rapidly. I read somewhere that the greates quality of acrylics is that it drys really fast but the biggest fault is that it drys really fast :P

Its easy to mix the colors, can be applied straight from the tube although I prefer diluting it a bit with water, 30% water 70% paint seems to work pretty well.

I recomend it, I dont have much experience yet but I think I'll be doing a whole lot more of them.

[-sideshowbob-]

i like it - the throath is bit short or covered by cloth.. but looking good :D

nice photo too.. O_o :^^: :x :^^:

u can fix the proportions mistakes with studies.. i can show u the way i studie props and faces

keep up ! post m00r acrylics /m\ :^^: /m\

[talmir]

This is the only one scanned recently. Done for another thread here where I was supposed to draw a "lazy git" :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/k10Challenge/comfyhitler.jpg

[bizarre]

draw from reference, but flip the reference upside down. it's to help you see with your eyes, not with your mind.

[Dan1989]

Good progress. Just do as many life studies as you can and draw draw draw. Ever checked out the loomis books? http://saveloomis.org You should go there if you haven't already. The acrylic painting is solid, I should try acrylics myself :tihi:

[talmir]

Not too much for today. I drew a bunch of heads but somehow my hand didnt want to cooperate :) But now I am in the sketchbook support group so there will be more tomorrow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads38.jpg

[silverslash]

some nice stuff going on here,

crit- that ear is free floating man, put it on something. the lips seem off center line.
try playing around with edges it seems like you draw with the point of your pencil only, try flipping that bad boy on the side and doing some damage with nice wide strokes.

-jose

[talmir]

Yeah, I hear ya. I've been using a mechanical pencil recently. I'm not really liking what I get out of it so I'm going back to the old style wooden pencils.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/talmir/heads39.jpg

[silverslash]

more!!!