DSG 265: Weapon: Dragon slayer sword

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Today's topic is: Weapon: Dragon slayer sword

[talmir]

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Does this count? erm, guess not... I´ll post another later today.

[Silvrain]

Hoo hoo! I was waiting on this topic from 1:00 am when it first posted! I am really, really pleased with what I thought of on this one. (only took me four hours to crank this out)

http://silvrain.com/sword1.jpg

What better dragonslayer sword than one with a draconic design? Damn, I like it so much, I want one. :D

[Mad Giraffe]

Quickie...I'm thinking to refine it later in the day...if I had the time:(

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rfriet/peppo/images/peppo_sword.jpg

Ah well...better next time, it gave me the practice.....

[Happy Camper]

Hi all, My first post here. Awesome site. Got my new Wacom about 2 weeks ago and decided I should join the DSG and get some practice.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/rpanetta/images/Dragon-Slayer-Sword.jpg
Took a little longer than recommended but thats just because I'm still a newb with digital art.

[PJM]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/496397/dragonkiller.jpg

[Beatnik]

This was a fun one. I've been try to keep all of them to an hour or less but this one went a little more.

http://zmans.com/misc/dsg_265.jpg

Hopefully they will improve eventually.

[PDC]

My first post....hope you like it.

It's a great inspirational site, keep up the great work folks!

-J

This is about 30-40 minutes or so. Wacom cintiq18sx tablet, alias sketchbook pro.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p4257cfdf363ab7531e6fb131f2e42050/fa848bf1.jpg

or bigger: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p4257cfdf363ab7531e6fb131f2e42050/fa848bf1.jpg.orig.jpg (not sure if imagestation will link to the bigger pic)

[Grimlohk]

PDC > I really like it. Its kinda like a macro photograph with all the tiny details. Good use of perspective too.

[Matt Dixon]

http://www.vortex.plus.com/Dragonslayer.jpg

My first 'stab' ( oooo! ) at the DSG. About 100 minutes.

Silvrain - I love the design of the hilt on your weapon! :)

[talmir]

wow, *looks at pencil sketch*. erm.. maybe I´ll just wait until tomorrow.

[Hunger_Artist]

interesting.

I included the dragon slayer, too

http://www.joinedartists.com/uploads/slayerweb.jpg

[Hazzard]

http://aaronsart.5u.com/images/dragonkiller.jpg



A quicky 5 mins with an old graphics tablet an Artpad II I borrowed off a mate from class. Its all ive got and its all ive been using till i get one for xmas. ahwell.

[Crave My Nightmares]

http://redmarionette.com/DragonSlayingSwordDSG.jpg

Not too pleased with it, but here it is.:(

[Patch]

It wasn't possible. Ertle could not have possibly survived. The serpent had desolated entire armies. And yet... there he stood. Battered - yes. Bruised - yes. But alive.

Slowly he lifted his arm, raising a gleaming blade from his side. A hush fell over the crowd as we all immediately understood. There it was - a weapon believed to have been one of the Elder's fairy-tales: the Dragonslayer!

http://www.dragonbones.net/albums/DSG/dsg265_weapon_dragonslayers.jpg

*okay - okay! so maybe I got a little corny with it... sue me*

[tharmine]

There are some GREAT images here!
Here is mine...http://www.shoppinglefilm.net/tc/images/dragon-sword-01.jpg

[Hazzard]

Tharmine that looks painful.

Patch, I just love scimitars so naturaly I like. I just got back from the science museum today to see the Lord of the rings expidition so I should be brimming with ideas after all the awsome swords ive seen today (and ive seen lots) but I was so tired im just not realy up for it.

Matt Dixon, what can I say besides...IM SO JELEOUS!! The atmosphere and lighting of that is realy well done. It reminds of He-Mans sword.

PDC that is awsome!

Beatnick, I love the hands grasping the sword it realy fits with the image. (poor dragon)

Silverain that just looks evil. No animal should have to suffer that. There should be a competition for the most painful sword between yours and Tharmines!

[brianl]

Hope ya'll don't mind my lack of comments toward everyone else...it's just that if I did, it'd be repetitively: 'Cool! F'n Inspiring!'. I promise to start when I feel more comfortable around you talented folks.:D

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/artbybrian/forums/dragonslayer.jpg

[plaf]

about 2½ hours - finally had some time off, so ... well why not :) might as well spend it constructively.



http://www.skjoldbroder.dk/gfx/24bit/yeswordofdragonslayer.jpg



matt D : love the overall feeling in your piece. a friend told me that swords with that thin handles will break in an instant though. (not that i made mine particularly thick :)


silverain : the split blade is a cool idea + nice handle. yeah! =)

[al-x]

http://alextornberg.com/art/concepts/sketches/dragonslayer_sword.jpg

Playing around with colors and toothbrushes :)

[artgeek5000]

quick ball-point sketch. I tried to some hi-lights with white-out but it didn't really work to well. Crappy office supplies arent usually the best drafting tools. Still fun, tho...

http://artgeek5000.com/sketch/dsg/265.gif


Plaf: The color and lighting of that thing is just juicy!

Al-x: Nice background texture; and that is one evil looking blade

Hazzard: Dig the loose, natural feel of that. Nice.

M. Dixon: Great thickness and weight to that thing...very cool.

Everybody: Primo work!

[PDC]

Originally posted by Grimlohk
PDC > I really like it. Its kinda like a macro photograph with all the tiny details. Good use of perspective too.

Thanks! The details are the result of it being a really large drawing...it's about 18x24" at 100dpi...well, digitally at anyway. The actual tablet is a 17" flat panel. By drawing that large and then scaling it down, you really get fine details which I think adds a bit of interest. I don't know...just messing around I guess.

I really admire you guys that can make these sweet backgrounds with so much texture and depth. It's an inspiration.

al-x: that drawing really reminds me of a fine-art print of some kind with lots of layers put down. Nice work!

-J

[scumworks]

Good work everone.

Doing crap with different brushes in ps. The first one was so bad... that I had to do one equally as bad.
http://www.scumworks.com/otr/conceptart/Dragon slayer sword.jpg
http://www.scumworks.com/otr/conceptart/Dragon slayer sword1.jpg

[tharmine]

PLAF your image is wonderfull
:rock:

and i like your second image scumworks

[Index]

http://www.nexpert.org/~index/sword.jpg
http://www.nexpert.org/~index/sword2.jpg

Was going for a really long bladed, light, 2 handed weapon with something of a hand protector.

Hard to decide how high to make the image size, without losing too much of the picture.

Dex

[OLSEN]

Index: You could of course flip it 90 degrees. Besides, it´s kinda hard to get a feel for your design when you cant see all of it without scrolling.

I´ll post mine in a while, stay tuned. :D

[Grimlohk]

http://home.comcast.net/~grimlohk/dragonsbane.jpg
...
She guarded it well, for it was the one weapon which could destroy her.

Plaf: superb! amazing details.

[Crave My Nightmares]

Wowzers!
I had to get a bib. Amazing work everyone. I struggled with this one cause bloody slicing kill them till their dead and impaled items arent my th.......uhm....actually it is my thing......
Cant wait to try harder in the next one. Any const. crits would be more than welcome!

~Crave~


"Theres no scarcity of opportunity to make a living at what you love. There is only a scarcity of resolve to make it happen." ~Wayne Dyer

[nBT]

http://www.mattijsart.com/dsg/dsg265dragonslayersword.jpg
its not a sword. dragons are mostly hollow and filled with gas. it makes em light so they can fly. to lose excess gas they burn it through the mounth and nose. gas is produced by stomac acids solving the bone. (i read it somewhere) so... this is equally destructive.

cheers
nBT

[OLSEN]

http://medlem.spray.se/ksmolsen/image/Broken%20Blade.jpg

Edit: Btw, it´s made with markers and ballpoints. Nice work all.

[MrKayne]

Silvrain - nice design, I like the feel of it.
PDC, plaf - man, those are just beautiful! :drool:
scumworks - hey, I really like that second one. It's got some good textures.
Grimlohk - Dig the picture today. It's got some nice lighting and mood.

So, I felt bad for just doing a sketch, so I did one extra... yay. I kinda prefer the one on the right the best.
http://www.kaynecomix.com/dsg/265.jpg

[danielh68]

Some really good stuff tonight. Special notes to Olsen, plaf, Matt Dixon & PDC.

[ClocktowerArtworks]

these came out pretty fast...so i did two as well. nice work all...

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/OzWolf00/dragonslayers.jpg

[Scrubbin Bubbles]

eh yeah i did few also.

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/swords.jpg

[Form]

Nice weapon designs. Olsen yours reminds me of the shattered blade (forget name) in LOTR1...

Had to crank this out in about 8 mins before my gf came over..barely had time to start the coulouring. Its designed with a forearm counterbalance for the long blade designed to rip open the dragon's belly from beneath...

http://formdesigns.250free.com/DSG265w.jpg

[Form]

oh i also bought my first set of Pilot Hi-Tec C pens today, and G-Tec C3 (also pilot). The hitec C's are all theyr talked up to be - smooth and stylish, and the Gtecs are good also - a good feeling of control. All purchased from Kinokuniya (500 George Street, Victoria Plaza) for anyone from sydney who cant find them.

[Bob Loblaw]

Couldn't paint a sword without adding a dragonslayer to hold it.

http://www3.telus.net/badddspellah/Stuff/Dragon%20Slayer.jpg

[Bob Loblaw]

form_n_focus: way to consider the logistics of dragonslaying!

Scrubbin Bubbles: those would make excellent tattoos.

ClocktowerArtworks: ditto for the tattoos...

Grimlohk: hats off to you for the narrative painting. Of course a dragon would keep its greatest enemy close at heart!

Jeez, what a plethora of elaborate weapons. I think I missed the point (haha sword? point? get it?) I should've waited for the DSG: Warrior Babe post...

[Grimlohk]

I cant draw a straight line worth dung. Do you guys use rulers to do your straight line work?

[ClocktowerArtworks]

haha...i actually used the long straight end of a video tape for these swords! i guess you just use what's handy. but usually i'm too lazy to find a straightedge so i just try to use my arm instead of my wrist...helps me draw straight easier.

[OLSEN]

grimlohk

For very long lines i use a ruler, for shorter lines only if it has to be perfectly straight.

Can i add a question to the list? What kind of tablets are you guys using for your digital work, and is there anything you would like to say about them? (but dont just say your intuos 2 rocks, we all know that..)

Right now im using a volito, you know the crappiest wacom on the market, it does the job for me athough at times it can be quite frustrating. The reson i ask about your tablets is that i want to upgrade fairly soon and need some user info before i decide what to buy.

Cheers all!

[Form]

Thought id do another one to practice my markering skills....which I dont have any of as yet. Im using Pantone Trias but i think i got warm instead of cool grey..which is betetr...or something.

This one is designed to thrust into the throat of the dragon, and then the cable attached to the handle is pulled (by retracting the handle) which closes the two blades and severs the dragons windpipe. This disables both the ability to breath and the immediate ability to project flame.

SEVER:


[IMG]http://formdesigns.250free.com/DSG2652.jpg

PLEASE RESIZE THIS IMAGE!!!! WAY TOO LARGE

At the moment I'm having 2 problems:

1. The pilot HiTec C pens produce a good line, but they seem to be unreliable, when pennning over simple lead pencil they ink half the time and skip the other half so when i erase my pencil linework it looks patchy and incomplete....Any tips on how to 'warm up' pens??

2. When I scan my linework comes out far too thin so that, unless im viewing it at anything less than 100% it looks patchy, uneven.

[Form]

forgot to resize that image, can ya tell? oh well you get to c all my embarrasing linework haha

i bought a "dolphin" brand of tablet....for like 50 us... it sucked bad. It has no magnetic shielding so it skips all over the place. I dunno....i just find working with the mouse is more friendly at the moment. Well it was all i could afford. It gets by for variable line width etc. But im 200% more comfortable with traditional pencil than I am at graph tab and ive been learning on both for aprox same time. sorry for rambling.

[ClocktowerArtworks]

form and focus gets the prize for largest pic ever posted on CA.org! :D

oh yeah...and i only use rulers when i want true perspective or long straight lines that i don't feel comfortable doing by hand. and i don't have a tablet...feel free to PM me if you'd like to donate yours to my cause.

[Form]

hehe clock, im honoured!

id b really appreciative if sum1 could help me out with my problems as above....mrkayne, clocktower, how do you get such clean lines after scanning???

[j1w0n]

OLSEN, yours is awesome! I wish I had thought of that idea :o

I have a thing for simple swords, I don't dig overly elaborate handles and blades. So I ended up going REALLY simple on my final render. At least it's straight, eh? ;)
http://www.chimaeradesign.com/~ccoff/notebook/sword.jpg

I did some rough thumbnails in paintchat:
http://www.chimaeradesign.com/~ccoff/notebook/swordconcepts.jpg

and I also was in the mood to sketch a knight while in paintchat, so here is that, too:
http://www.chimaeradesign.com/~ccoff/notebook/knight.jpg

Cool stuff, guys!

[Vimmzy]

olsen, first i want to say cool sword, then i will answer your question..

i have an intuos2 A4 oversize, it is good but i find it almost too big sometiems, i am not in need of the supersixe i got so to say so it is a little bit of an overkill, but anyways, what i have heard is that the graphire2 is very good considering the price and what i know i that intuos 2 is verry good even id you consider the price.. But if i were to buy a wacom today i would eiter settle for a intuos2 a4 if i have the kinda money i had when i bought mine, or a graphire2..

[OLSEN]

form_n_focus: that picture is huge.. anyhows, thanks for the warning! i wont buy a dolphin tablet. (never heard of them but now i know.)

Clocktower: I dont think i can afford sending a wacom to the other side of the world, if i could i would, but sorry. :)

Vimmzy: Thanks for the info, it´s good to hear good things about the less expensive wacoms.


danielh68, form_n_focus, j1w0n, thanks for the kind words about my sword, even if it´s broken. :)

Again, nice work all.

[Form]

still no tips on how to get nice, thick , smooth lines when i scan my stuff? clocktower and mrkayne....i speaketh to thou

[j1w0n]

i'll give you a tip..

if you draw something really big, with a thin pen, and then scan it and shrink it, its hard to see little jiggles in your lines.
if you want smooth curves and straight lines, use your elbow to pivot and not your wrist.

go to school for brain surgery and you'll develop steady hands, too. ;)

does that help?

[William b. Hand]

Not my specialty, but I tried to get into it.
Sorry about the green. It's just green is all. And that's how it's gonna stay.

I'll have to come up with a different approach next time, though -- Yup. This took as long as anything I've done here at the DSG.

http://homepage.mac.com/forumdump/.Pictures/DragonSlayer%20SWORD.jpg

[Form]

Mr Hand, zat iz funky. Nice depth.

j1won, that sorta helps.... i duno my original sword is about 4inx0.5 in (approx, i use cm here in australia) and i scanned at 300dpi, then reduced the image to 640x480 and it looks gay. You just seem to have such smooth edges on your lines, how do you DO IT??!??! aaaaargh

[plaf]

thanks to ppl who commented on my one. twas fun! :)



scumworks: love the expression and energy of your one.

olsen: cool details

mrkayne : i think your 2nd one is the better, i like the shape of blade and hilt a lot. looks more futuristic than most stuff here, but hey. why not? =)

clocktowerartworks : they might come out fast, but they're still cool! =) your linework's sweet as always.

williamBhand: the lighting in your pic yesterday was supercool - same here, it really makes the pic.

[William b. Hand]

Beatnik - That Cracked me up!

PDC - Welcome! Good Job - That perspective works well.

MattDixon - Niice! Really? This is your first DSG post? I know I've seen your work before...

plaf - Wow! Beautiful Blade! I'd say time real well spent. That's the very one that I would want if I was going up against a dragon.
...That is just gorgeous. The inscribing on the blade reminds me a little of petrified wood. Love the assymetry. Sweet work.

nBT - Cute. I read that same book a looooong time ago. Something about a honeycomb network of gas filled bladders that the dragons used... Huh. Weird to remember...

Everybody Else - Good Jobs peoples! I gotta crash now.


(P.S. -- Thanks form_n_focus and plaf!)

[nBT]

i apologize for my now sword-drawing. espesially while a sword is not the hardest thing to do. but i had litle time.
olsen: first tablet was a dynalynk freedraw, technically an acecat flair. its a nice tablet, but after eh 5? years (trusty tablet) the pen tip died and pressure was gone. i was initially was gonna buy a graphire2 but in the end it became an intuos2. mainly a long term decision. and it r*cks. it is absolytly worth its price. i tried a graphiere2 at my friends place. it great too.
plaf: like your sword the best

[plaf]

*blushing*

thanks! :)

[barcode]

http://www.rpi.edu/~steadi/dsg/dragon_slayer_sword-08.jpg

[al-x]

j1w0n: Yepp, the hi-tech c pens dont like it if you have a thick layer of lead. Try sketching with hard graphire, I use 2h in a 0.3 mechanical pencil. Then the ink will flow perfectly from the pen.

W B Hand: Love the colors, nice sword to...

[PDC]

Originally posted by OLSEN

Can i add a question to the list? What kind of tablets are you guys using for your digital work, and is there anything you would like to say about them? (but dont just say your intuos 2 rocks, we all know that..)


Using this: http://www.wacom.com/lcdtablets/index_18sx.cfm

Our design firm here was lucky enough to get them in our studio...actually this is a pretty new product and we've been working with wacom and alias with some feedback and presentations about this to local designers. It's just so ding-dang expensive I could never afford it on my own...luckily work picked up the tab and we can work on it after hours for our own stuff.

Using it in combination with alias sketch (not to be confused with alias "studio tools") seems to be really powerful...the program is really simple and doesn't have nearly the amount of features as what some of you are using, but for us it's just fine right now....especially for someone like me who really only uses pencil, pen, marker, and airbrush.

If anybody has questions about it, just let me know. Thanks...great images everybody.

J

[ClocktowerArtworks]

plaf- thanks for the kind words

form and focus- helps to draw really clean lines to begin with, but when you scan, scan at 300 dpi and then shrink your image to about 25% or so. the higher the dpi you scan at, the more detail and line quality it will pick up, but the file size gets pretty big after 300 so be careful.

[OLSEN]

Hello PDC,

My current tablet
$60 US

Your current tablet
$3,499 US

Hmm, lets see, i can either buy a $3499 tablet, OR i can buy a new desktop comp, and a laptop, and an intuos2, and get drunk for two weeks straight, and pay my rent for two months for those money. Too bad i havent got that kind of cash, but it sure looks cool.

[plaf]

pdc: i tried one of those at the 3d festival here in copenhagen some months ago.. and it did feel pretty cool. isn't there a bit too much lag though? admittedly i did try to stress it a bit by painting with quite big brushes =)

for now i think i'll just stick to my laptop and wacom. if you place it on top of the keyboard, it's ALMOST like those gizmos you guys have. ;)


all the best

[PDC]

Yeah like i said....it's just a good thing that our design firm bought them, because I sure wouldnt be able to afford it. I really wasn't trying to rub it in anyone's face or anything, i really didn't want to do that at all and I hope I didn't give the wrong impression, I was just trying to answer your question thats all.

The tablet has some lag in photoshop (just a little), but in alias it works excellent. I haven't ever tried painter.

[talmir]

(newbie to tablets), On tablets, do you see what you draw? then I mean, do you have to draw 'blindly' looking at the screen instead of the tablet? and if so, isnt it uncomfortable?

[plaf]

i guess there are two ways of doing it:
either put something under the transparent overlay on the pad and trace that (but you'll still have to look at the screen :))
or just draw away and look at the screen while you're doing it. it's not hard to get used to at all in my opinion. i guess the brain can cope quite easily with coordinating what you're seeing on the screen and what you're doing on the pad.

can't hardly do anything arty without the damn thing now :) i can only recommend them.

[nexykun]

took me like a day to get used too then it felt like second nature

[artgeek5000]

Talmir, just think of it this way. You don't look at your mouse as you move the cursor around the screen, do you? Somewhat the same thing, once you get used to the size of your tablet relative to the size of the screen.

I dig my little (4"x6" i think) Intuos2, but I'd still much rather draw with real ink on real paper. I mainly just use my tablet for coloring and photoshop tweaking, not used to it enough to do full-digital stuff...not yet, anyway.

[talmir]

ahh, I see.. Does the pad track where the pen is over the pad then? Or do you have to press for it to recieve any input? Does it detect position when hovering just above the pad?

[artgeek5000]

yes. hovering the pen right above the pad is like moving the mouse around. When you touch the pen to the pad its like clicking the mouse button. Its also pressure sensitve so how hard you press down is how thick your line is etc...

[talmir]

Ahh, great.. thank you. Just wanted to make sure before spending money at it. :P Although that wont happen just yet. I want to learn to draw with p&p before going digital.

[geronimo66]

not a slam, I just found it funny. $3500.00 tablet, 189.00 sketchbook pro.. :)

[OLSEN]

Originally posted by PDC
I really wasn't trying to rub it in anyone's face or anything,

No worries, I know you didnt. Sorry if i sounded touchy or anything.

The new Graphire 3 looks great for the price, it has twice the resolution compared to the graphire 2 and only slightly less then the intuos 2.. Although it has less preassure sensitive and lacks some features compared to the intuos 2, i have never tried an intuos so i dont think i will miss those features. It sounds like a pretty good deal to me, not saying i have made up my mind or anything...

Thanks for sharing your tabletinfo, its a good read and really helpfull. :chug:

[PDC]

All good! :chug:

[plaf]

i think i'll have to wait though they're definitely cool!! maybe later on when they do those flatscreens you can roll into a tube.

now THOSE are apples i'd like, wohey!!!



all the best to you lovely people
/moe

[silentbrain]

I sure wouldn't want to be a dragon on the recieving end of any of today's pieces! (although I wouldn't want to be on the other end either...those things look like a ton and a half)

Olsen- I've an Intuos 1, 6x8, but I think I could have gotten by fine with my old Art Z II. (but since I've been playing with pen tilt, that probably takes out that tablet and the graphire...but, otherwise, I myself have never really needed all that pressure sensitivity.)
Compared to my first pad, the Artcad, even the graphire is a godsend though. :)

And damn I'd love to have a crack at a Cintiq! :D I'd prop that sucker on an easel and hold the stylus at arm's length! (and then some jerk would bump the easel and I'd be out four grand..)

Talmir- Using a tablet can be uncomfortable sometimes, somewhat because the surface is kinda slick, it will not have the same resistance as pencil on paper. Speaking of artgeek5000's mouse analogy...damn, I have no idea how so many people get so good at fps games. o_o

form n focus- I dunno if it was intentional or not, but your big pic totally reminds me of this toy I used to have, the Claw. :D Sorry if it isn't so. Also, back in, er...the "older" days, some people would recommend Adobe Streamline (http://www.adobe.com/products/streamline/main.html) for smoothening lines. It basically takes your scan and turns it into paths, ie "vector art". Or at least it used to. The trial version doesn't let you save/copy/export, but I guess you could screengrab or *cough* crack it *cough*.

Okay, here's my piece...um...dammit, I shoulda done something more texture oriented XD Well, maybe I'll be in the groove tomorrow. Damn, I shoulda used the 5 hours to get some ZZZs! x_x

http://64.191.99.205/~silentbr/dump/112103-dsg-dragonslayersword.jpg

[Form]

silentbrain i hav had streamline 4 for a while, but never really used it...i will give it a go.

As for the claw, yeh I had one of those too they were cooool. I wish i still had it, now that I can appreciate some of its more...subtle...uses hehe.

But no, my pic wasnt based on that. Maybe sumthing subconscious going on there haha.

Ty for the help all, I think im just gonna try using thicker pens to outline.

[DV8]

25? i think... but I skipped the banshee... its in the works now... will post when ready. trying to get caught up, but wasnt very successful over the long weekend...will try to make some progress this week.

This sword is crafted from Dragon parts.. "fight fire with fire etc)


http://www.mikephillips.ca/dsg/dsg_265_dragon_slayer_sword.jpg

[OLSEN]

Nice sword DV8. I like the shape of the blade, fantasy but not tasteless fantasy.

[DV8]

thanks dude, I am glad to be back...working on getting them all done (all the ones that i missed while i was away).

[Scrubbin Bubbles]

whats tasteless fantasy?

[OLSEN]

Tasteless fantasy is in my oppinion chainmail bikinis on bigbreasted warrior sluts, phallic swords with weird unexplainable spikes, Conans underwear and everything that has been done a billion times over and is not worth repeating. I have no trouble with people liking that stuff, but it´s just not for me.

[DV8]

I agree, with the exception of Simon Bisley's work :)

Mike

[Scrubbin Bubbles]

I'd have to agree with the big breasted bikini armor. Its fun to look at but it just doesn't make sense. I think in order for fantasy to be succesful it needs to be grounded in reality. Its alot easier to suspend disbelief if things make sense.

Bisley rocks my boat. All that exagerated muscle mass doesn't make sense but I think thats part of his appeal. He pushes it so far that belief ceases to be an issue. You know its fantasy, but its ok cause his style kicks ass.

Oh yeah, Mike, I like the graceful lines of the sword. Its a departure from you usual style.

[OLSEN]

Yea, Bisley is one of the few that can do it and get away with it. It´s still tasteless though. :D

[DV8]

Originally posted by Scrubbin Bubbles

Oh yeah, Mike, I like the graceful lines of the sword. Its a departure from you usual style. [/B]

Thanks dude.... just out of curiosity, how would you describe (in your own words) my "usual style". let me know, take care

Mike