Sheridan Information Please!

[endregan]

I am in my last year of high school and I want to get into the Art Fundamental Program at Sheridan College.

The requirements is just english U Or C. So I was wondering, does it matter what english I take, and i am fully capable of doing U level but should I waste my time with it or does it matter? I took college level but I can take U if its necessary... ?

It also doesnt say if i have to make a portfolio to submit, which i think is pretty standard isnt it? what type of portfolio or what do we have to do to get info fundies?!

another question. for my first year will it be possible to get residence? i hear theres only like 350 spots.. O_O!

i was wondering, after fundies I can go into Illustration courses there am I correct?

Anyone who could help me out that would be great thanks!


OCAD____-

I went to a pres at our highschool on OCAD and I was wondering, they require U level english for a basic level course. Now I dont see why you would need this, but if I must I will take it -_-. Pretty pointless, I do well in english but U level last year consists of pure essays and such, so how would that help me a lot in Fundamentals or am I just ignorant :).

So is OCAD any good ?

[carpal]

ok I am going to try to answer everything...


No they aren't going to care which level english you take, just get a good grade in whatever you do take and learn as much as you can. its only to your benefit.

Art fundamentals = no portfolio. That is the idea of the course. To make a portfolio for the next year, they try and get you the broad base of skills so you will be a solid animator/illustrator/whatever. Graduate high school, apply early and you will almost for sure get in. I know people who haven't gotten in to fundies but its like a fluke. There are 600 people in the program. compareed to 100 for each year of animation and illustration.

Residence- no you probably won't get into residence. If you are a first year though, that is an advantage, so all you can do is apply and hope. They are nice residences and it would be nice to be RIGHT at school instead of the 1 mile walk I have to get there and the fact I hate some of my roomates but I wouldn't trade it for anything. Being on your own is cool, so if you don't get into res, start looking for a place close by. There are a ton of places and different living situations find one you really like and get it. Don't settle on some crappy basement that is full of mice and your landlady is an 80 year old germ-o-phobe. There are some weird stories about stuff like that.

getting into illustration - no you can't just start taking classes in illustration. You have to do the exact same thing as everyone else. Submit an application and a portfolio and fight for one of the 100 spots or so in the program. The advantage you have is that you have teachers that will help you get ready for it and all the opportunities in the world to get to the level you need to be at to get into illustration. A lot of people that go into fundies can't get to that level in one year. I know quite a few who got in the next year though. sometimes the classes in fundies even feel like they are keeping you AWAY from making the killer portfolio you need. Don't let that fool you, most of the stuff is quite important and you should be glad they make you do some lame stuff. and I digress...


I think you should definitely take a trip to Sheridan and to OCAD and talk to some people. Find out what it is EXACTLY that you want to get out of school, then find out if that school can give that to you.

Good luck

[endregan]

Thanks for the reply!

yeah I was wondering about the portfolio!! I guess Ill apply whenever I am able to..:). Just hope its soon enough. Sounds like a good course though! Residence would be my biggest concern most likely, at least for first year!

I will have to talk with my teachers and see what they think and my parents too.

Thank you!

[kennygeeze]

I'm in art fundamentals this year (I didn't get into residence either)

I was something like 298 on the waiting list and I've only met a few people who even live in the residence. (there aren't that many spots)

Truth be told, there are nicer places you can find not that far from the school for less money than a residence room.

I live about a 25 minute walk from the school in a townhouse with 3 other guys.
The landlord who owns the house lives in another city and rents the rooms out to students.
The good part about living here is I don't have to pay a fee to have a guest spend the night or whatever like you would in residence.

Also, sheridan residence has a closed door policy. If you don't know what that is, don't worry about it, but if you do it might make you reconsider going there.... as is the case with a couple people I've met.

What else? Oh yeah... when you start off in fundies try to go to as many figure drawing classes as often as possible right off the bat... the worlkload tends to pile up after a while and you'll find you'll be less eager to attend lifedrawing afterschool during the latter months of the semester than you would be right at the begginning.

And sheridan residence kicks you out for Christmas break (almost a month long). I can live hear during Christmas if I wished to... that's an awful long time to be going back home for
:beer:

Anyways, good luck.

[endregan]

hey that sounds good.

so its a sure bet if i apply as early as i can i get in?

then all i have to worry about is where im going to live!!!

i will hopefully get in and then ill have to look around to room up with some peoples. i hope my brother goes to the same school, we could get a place.

how much does it cost/month to live there and whats the living conditions like. Thanks a lot! :)

p.s. i would have to find a job as well wouldnt i? to pay the rent money! :)

[endregan]

Yeah tuition is probably best

I was thinking of going internationally but thats twice as much, and already tuition in the U.S. (Like NY) and such is SOOO much. its just out of the question!

Sheridan is probably my best bet!

Perhaps Atelier later on ? Not sure!!

We shall see. Im going to try and apply to illustration but I figure hundreds of people already skilled in life drawing may get in. who knows, worth a shot

[nor]

I say try for Illustration, just work hard before application time. Sheridan is probably my best shot as well since not many other Ontario schools offer anything that seems worth the money or time. Also international options are way too costly.

[kennygeeze]

I'd also recommend applying to illustration.

The requirements are alot more difficult compared to most of the highschool art projects I endured. They really put you to the test.

Also, if you do bring your portfolio in for evaluation (instead of mailing it) it's quite the experience.
I'll be there on evaluation day this year. Good luck.

[Hexal]

I Just applied to sheridain last week. For illustration and fund to.

I have a question for people who have applied. What are the portfoilio req? I have some stuff here, but i emailed a while ago and they said there are specific portfolio requirements. i take i want for more info?

[kennygeeze]

The requirments change every year.... minimally. I got mine mailed to me last year a couple weeks before the start of February.

I'm pretty sure portfolios are due March 1st or somewhere around then so they mail out al the requirements at the same time so everyone has an equal amount of time to complete the stuff.

I might be able to actually post last years?
I can see about going to find it.

[endregan]

Sounds good...

only hard part is finding where to live haha

im going to apply to fundies and illustration.

I also hear OCAD is a good school, but I tend to hear people lean towards Sheridan more?

anyhow thanks for the responses!

[endregan]

I just went to the Sheridan Campus today.

It was awesome. Pretty large place compared to my highschool haha.

I toured around a lot of the place. Saw some art, recognized one of the pieces by someone here on CA, was a womans back with a freaky face. Ive seen it on here before!

Anyhow, it was an awesome experience. I cant wait to apply and go from there.

I know Ill be seeing some of you at Sheridan next year. Dont be shy, cuz I know i am :).

If you havent gone yet do, it gives you a better idea of whats going on!

[moodumjiki]

1.
we don't only animate something, but also
we learn painting, life drawing, lay-out and storyboarding.

i don't think we produce crappy art works...

and
we really have fun and learn many things at the same time.
if you already did school tour, i think you know what i mean.

there're many good designers in animation, and some of
them are really into design stuffs, and i know
many people want to end up in the game industry....
so..think about it.

2.
i have a question for illustration students.
does anyone know why kerry-kim, who used to teach
third year life drawing, got kicked out?
i think kerry kim is one of the best life drawing teachers you can get in ontario.....i'm just wondering why...is it becasue of
school politics?

[E_flipmode27]

hey i'm taking Art Fundies too ^_^ so who here is taking art fundies this yr? I'm in AF16 and so far art fundies is pretty good, tho its harder than i expected (in terms of work load)

And to endregen, its not hard to get into art fundies so don't sweat it too much. i remember me last yr thinking i wouldn't get it w/ an 85 in english U. was i wrong :rolleyes:

[kennygeeze]

Flipmode, I was in AF18 this year. But since af18/17 won't exist this coming semester I'll be shoved into another class..... most of my teachers are different as well. I dunno if I'm too pleased about that.

[E_flipmode27]

that really sux for you man =x so what's ur schedule like now? mebbe ur in my class now. btw what r u applying to next yr?

[kennygeeze]

I applied to illustration and animation for next year... hoping for illustration.

From what I remember my schedule is like this... monday off. and then tuesday at 8:00am I have eric for painting and then right after Megan w for drawing.
Hehe, does that match up with yours? :)

[E_flipmode27]

are those ur only classes? did u take fundies last yr? my schedule is friday off (had to change it for work reasons) mon. i hv art hist. and 3d design, tues. i hv 2d design, wed. painting and drawing, and thurs. imaging systems.

You hv Eric for painting? my class is right beside his at the same time. I hv bobbi instead and i don't like her. Eric seems like such a better painting teacher. :(

[kennygeeze]

Nah, I just posted part of mine to see if it matched up with yours. I still have all 6 art fundies classes :(

hmmmm, I'd almost rather have friday off than monday. My original schedule was alot better though.... monday and tuesday off... and they doubled classes the rest of the week, everyday ending before 3:00.
I'm a little pissed that alot of my time-table overlaps with the open lifedrawing.

[E_flipmode27]

that seriously sucks!! mebbe u can change some of the days somehow. ur old schedule was really good

[spork891]

I live in the US, but have heard of Sheridan and came really close to applying, the expense seems prohibitive though. Does anyone here know of any comparable schools here in the US? (Especially for animation)

-Jas

[E_flipmode27]

i think there's some school in California or something that is the main competition to Sheridan's animation program. Anyways you should apply neways bc you never know, you could get in. btw how old r you? if you're still in high-school it's REALLY hard to get in the first try unless you have really extensive art skills in realism and life drawing, bc that's what they emphasize.

[endregan]

Yes well ive applied to several different places including Sheridan and Ocad. Well see how it goes!!

I havent done english yet (next semster), so the silly colleges (Senecas for example) start sending mail that i have to take an english test even though i got 90 in gr 11 university and am taking gr 12 unv next sermester.... and i have to pay, make an appointment and take a test.
can u say money grab? what bs is that!

does sheridan and ocad make you write english tests as well?

i find this ridiculous..

[kennygeeze]

sheridan doesn't.

I know I had to do an english test for centianal college or something.... even though I didn't end up going.

They said I needed 70% or abvoe to not take the test... and that's what I got... called and told them to cancel my appointment. They said I'd have to take the test anyways for placement purposes.

[endregan]

Yeah I found that to be silly. I didnt really want to go to Seneca, was just an extra option just in case!

I got a letter from Sheridan for art fundamentals so far, and one from fanshawe and of course, seneca. That english test is pretty silly, and it is costly and timely.

So I don't have to go or take the test if i don't want to? I dont want to go to Seneca..

[kennygeeze]

If you don't get accepted to art fundamentals at sheridan then something must be messed up on their end.... as in I haven't heard of anyone who gets declined.
Anyone with the potential of getting a highschool diploma upon leaving highschool that year that is....

My highschool art program decided to sell itself on the fact that their graduating class all applied to art fundamentals at sheridan and ALL of them got accepted.

Another point to prove that as long as you apply early you pretty much get accepted. It seems like since you've already gotten a letter from sheridan, then you don't have alot to worry about. Just keep drawing and keep those highschool marks at a comfortable level so you don't lose any credits for silly reasons.

[Wizard]

Hey People:D

I want to go to Sheridan, but I am afraid that they wont take me because my highschool marks are BAD:(

Will they take me if I have a good portfolio?

[endregan]

wizard. art fundies has nothing to do with portfolio. u make your portfolioin that class.

unfortunately it relies on your best marks!

ive got that covered though :)!

thanks kenny geeze. at least one place is a probably :)

still need to make a portfolio for OCAD though..

[endregan]

Its porfolio time.

Wow just when I thought I was busy with exams...now I have a month to do a portfolio!!

:)

[kennygeeze]

Yeah, I remember that happened to me as well this past year when I applied to illustration out of highschool.

Luckily since I'm at the college the work lets up a little around portfolio time.

If you have any questions about the requirements I can probably answer them for you... however, as I am applying myself I probably wouldn't as be as knowledgeable as someone actually in the program.

[endregan]

yeah well i applied to art fundies and illustration. same as my brother.

he got his illustration letter before me, so ill be getting mine soon.

it has a lot of things you must do, and I live far away so I will be mailing mine in.

but i should get started soon... it is not going to be easy! mostly all from direct life, they dont want to see any fantasy work haha :P.

I dont have any questions now I dont think, I just have to get at it.. :)

[kennygeeze]

are you doing option 'a' or option 'b'?

[endregan]

definitly B... :P. I have started the assignments already...harder than I thought. Oh well I will give it my best.

its funny

i have a twin and we applied to the same two courses at sheridan.

they made our student numbers the same and send me art fundamentals letter and him the illustration.s

they think Jack and Peter are the same person.

We do have the same birthday, live at the same place and are from the same school.... but we are two people.

Uh yeah so i have to get that straightened out. silly sheridan...

[::EPIC::]

end might see you in AF iff all goes as planned, tho my grades are not as good as your's lol oh well... im going in as a mature student, haven't heard back as of yet.... did you apply for OSAP and if you did do you need to know if your accepted prior to applying or can you just go ahead and apply and they'll place you on a 'pending' list

option b is in reference to illustration portfolio 2nd yr options?

[kennygeeze]

No, option b is in reference to the entry year portfolio requirements. There's a mandatory 4-part drawing test and then you can either submit 15 pieces from a previous art education (option a) or go through 10 part mini-assignment test (option b)

[::EPIC::]

ah quite right, my mistake thanks

[kennygeeze]

Yeah, endragen, one thing you'll probably learn very quickly about alot of the admissions for courses at sheridan is they're halfway retarded.

It's a little funny because my room-mate just told me a little story about OCAS trying to mail him his portfolio forms... well part of our address is the Unit and then the corresponding number.... well, they don't know what 'unit' means so they didn't put it on the envelope when they mailed it. Which is stupid in itself .... but then.... it doesn't take an idiot to know that a letter being mailed to a street, city, and province with NO other information will probably get returned..... and that's exactly what they did... they went ahead and mailed it.
:rolleyes:

[endregan]

yeah im trying to get that sorted out haha, ridiculous!

well see.. havent made my decision. i havent been accepted anywhere yet, they dont officially do that for a while. plus i have to make a portfolio and attend a presentation at ocad.


ocad looks pretty nice too :)!

EPIC: you apply to osap after you get in and choose. i believe in march is the starting time. you see how much you will need and how much osap will give you. you can apply now i think but its not necessary.
tell me if u find out, all the infos on the osap website i believe

[darth massacre]

I was sort of following this thread.

My application to Illustration in Sheridan will go out this wednesday...hopefully it beats the Feb 1st deadline for applications. Not too confident, but heck.

I'm also applying for Industrial Design in OCAD. Lets hope both sides will give me some consideration.

Maybe I'll end up classmates with some of you guys when school starts.

That's if I don't end up choosing a school in Australia. :D

[kennygeeze]

well see.. havent made my decision. i havent been accepted anywhere yet, they dont officially do that for a while. plus i have to make a portfolio and attend a presentation at ocad.

Just make sure when you attend the presentation at OCAD you ask whether the program you're getting into has life-models to work from.
If the course is centered around drawing or painting and doesn't have figures to draw from/extra life sessions then you're missing out on a huge part of what you could possibly learn.

The only reason why I say this is because so far I've met a teacher and two students who have come out of OCAD and didn't have good things to say about the foundations year.

[endregan]

Ill make sure to ask around look around for sure.

I am making my portfolio now, I'll try and scan it soon :)

[Cailan]

I am a 2nd year illustration student at Sheridan, and I went through the whole moving, attending the fundies course process and all that, so I thought I'd try and give my 2 cents on the matter. It's rather lengthy but I hope it helps.

1. Concerning international costs - Things change depending on the state of the dollar and all that, but a lot of American students find the prices of Sheridan quite comparable, even with the foreign student prices. The places you can compare Sheridan to in the US for Illustration and/or Animation are the Savannah School of Design and CalArts, which I gather are quite pricey schools. The cost of living in Oakville is rather high by Canadian standards but doesn't touch California! Once you figure in exchange rates and room/board etc, you'll probably find the prices are close. Sheridan gets quite a few international students. I had one classmate a few years ago from California who came to Sheridan rather than CalArts because it ended up being cheaper!


2. The Art Fundamentals course is completely designed around putting together a portfolio from scratch. They assume you have no prior experience, and it's a good weeding-out experience for the people who don't really know what they want to do. Most people who do get into the fundies course that start out wanting something specific often find out they want something else entirely - I went in thinking I wanted to be in animation and decided that illustration was really the place for me, for example. Portfolios aren't required and grades are only an issue if they get more applicants than they have room for.

3. Students who go through the Fundies process have (or at least had up until last year - does anyone know if they still do this?) a distinct advantage to getting into Illustration and Animation. Every year the Illustration and Animation programs accept a certain number of "direct entry" students from the Fundies program. You can choose one of the two programs to apply for direct entry if you have a B+ or above average in Fundies. Space is limited though so of course the higher your average, the better your chances, and your work will be reviewed with all the other direct entry applicants. If you don't get direct entry, you can still apply the normal way.

4. If you're a high school student, grades will matter for any college entry, but if you've been out of school for a couple of years you can apply as a mature student, and they don't bother looking at your transcripts as far as I know. Entry to Illustration and Animation is based first on the strength of your portfolio, and then they'll look at your grades. If it's a toss-up between two people with great portfolios and one has better grades, well...

5. There's never a shortage of people looking for roomates. It's nice to be in res just to be close to classes but it has draw-backs in otherways.. namely the cost, and that they boot you out over the holidays! NM if you have a significant other that might want to visit... The good/bad roomate issue can happen no matter where you are. One piece of advice I have is be _very_ careful about living with friends! Lots of spoiled friendships occur because of rooming situations!
You'll find a place to stay, the question is how close to the school, and how cheap. It's best to start looking ASAP - you DO NOT want to be trying to find a decent place the first week of September! ;)

Hope that helps someone.

[kennygeeze]

3. Students who go through the Fundies process have (or at least had up until last year - does anyone know if they still do this?) a distinct advantage to getting into Illustration and Animation. Every year the Illustration and Animation programs accept a certain number of "direct entry" students from the Fundies program. You can choose one of the two programs to apply for direct entry if you have a B+ or above average in Fundies. Space is limited though so of course the higher your average, the better your chances, and your work will be reviewed with all the other direct entry applicants. If you don't get direct entry, you can still apply the normal way.

I'm currently in fundies and this is the first year that they no longer have special admissions/direct entry.
We'll all be standing in line for our portfolio evaluation with the highschool students, college students, mature students and whoever else.... everyone applies the same way :(

This year has been pretty disorganized as far as requirements for illustration/animation and those wishing to jump to those programs upon grad from fundies.
They keep pulling arbitrary rules out of their bums that have screwed alot of students over for this year and confused most of us.

I'm aiming for illustration, have been since I left highschool and that feeling keeps getting stronger now that I'm actually at sheridan. :beer:

[Cailan]

Kennygeeze - sorry to hear that. I have to say that the Fundies program has really gone downhill. Alright then, I guess fundies is only as good as you make it - it IS good practice and the teachers can at least give feedback on whether or not you're going in the right direction. For anyone going into the Art Fundamentals program, I'd just advise using the year to go to as many extra-hour drawing classes as possible and seek out the faculty and students of the course you want to get into to get advice, feedback, ideas, etc. The illustration faculty is, in general, amazing and if they aren't pressed for time most are more than happy to sit down and chat with students, same with the students currently in the program (for the most part). I don't know about Animation.

Lots of upheaval all around though with the new degree programs going in.

[easthali]

Hey guys.... just quickly read through the thread... I'm a graduate of the Animation program at sheridan.... I also went through the Fundies program... Hrmm what to say..... Well... Work hard in fundies, take each teachers word with a grain of salt.... By that i mean, listen to them, understand what they are saying, and then make up your own mind about what direction you want to take in school... When i started,, i wanted to get into animation, but the teachers kept telling me that i was better off applying to illustration... Obviously i didn't listen to them... The key to getting into animation is Life Drawing.... You do have to know perspective, and how to keep a character "on model". But i definitely stress Life Drawing.. Go to every extra life drawing class you can... And sit behind the best artist in the room... Watch what they do, try to understand what they are thinking as they lay down their lines... Also, talk to students in the program. They are your best bet to find out where you need to improve! But don't be discouraged if they tell you they don't have time.. (animators at sheridan get alot of bullshit work assigned) and lack alot of sleep.. haha... the good old days... Oh,, and if you don't get into your program after fundies,,, don't get discouraged... I didn't get in after my year in fundies either... Just keep at it, and be determined, and don't take no for an answer... You are the one that will determine whether you get in or not...

Peace...

[kennygeeze]

Kennygeeze - sorry to hear that. I have to say that the Fundies program has really gone downhill. Alright then, I guess fundies is only as good as you make it - it IS good practice and the teachers can at least give feedback on whether or not you're going in the right direction. For anyone going into the Art Fundamentals program, I'd just advise using the year to go to as many extra-hour drawing classes as possible and seek out the faculty and students of the course you want to get into to get advice, feedback, ideas, etc. The illustration faculty is, in general, amazing and if they aren't pressed for time most are more than happy to sit down and chat with students, same with the students currently in the program (for the most part). I don't know about Animation.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a good art program and I have a few really good teachers, however the stuff with administration right now seems totally ..... messed up...

Hmmm, I'll take your suggestion and try to find some illustration students/faculty to take a look at my stuff. I'm good friends with a couple illustration students, but one of them just got kicked out of sheridan for failing english :( so.... perhaps I should find some others.

Alot of my portfolio pieces are still at school... I'm about 2 3rds done the illustration application portfolio... I just have to refine a project from imaging systems and then do the drawing test. So, perhaps I'll post my portfolio in the critique section for .... critique.

[kennygeeze]

Hey guys.... just quickly read through the thread... I'm a graduate of the Animation program at sheridan.... I also went through the Fundies program... Hrmm what to say..... Well... Work hard in fundies, take each teachers word with a grain of salt.... By that i mean, listen to them, understand what they are saying, and then make up your own mind about what direction you want to take in school... When i started,, i wanted to get into animation, but the teachers kept telling me that i was better off applying to illustration... Obviously i didn't listen to them... The key to getting into animation is Life Drawing.... You do have to know perspective, and how to keep a character "on model". But i definitely stress Life Drawing.. Go to every extra life drawing class you can... And sit behind the best artist in the room... Watch what they do, try to understand what they are thinking as they lay down their lines... Also, talk to students in the program. They are your best bet to find out where you need to improve! But don't be discouraged if they tell you they don't have time.. (animators at sheridan get alot of bullshit work assigned) and lack alot of sleep.. haha... the good old days... Oh,, and if you don't get into your program after fundies,,, don't get discouraged... I didn't get in after my year in fundies either... Just keep at it, and be determined, and don't take no for an answer... You are the one that will determine whether you get in or not...


Thanks for the advice.
I was thinking about applying for animation earlier this month.. but I find that my interests are more centered toward illustration.

I try to go to as many life-drawing sessions as possible... right at the beginning I was going 3-4 times a week... unfortunately that kinda fizzled toward christmas... but now I'm getting back into it and trying to go everyday I'm in class... even on my day off sometimes.

Now, if sheridan would stop having snow days and closing before the 3:00 open life.... I could really get into it. :D

[::EPIC::]

So, perhaps I'll post my portfolio in the critique section for .... critique.

Wouldn't mind checking out what you've been working on kenny:D

Man I sure hope fundies for 04-05 isn't as messed as the past seems to have been. My biggest problem if I'm in is getting caught up in work or being led off the path by a misleading comment, since there's alot of ground to cover in only one year.

On average when does classes start, cause im thinking of communting to Sheridan via 407 instead of getting an appartment. 30-40min each way, is it worth it or do you think I'll be too rushed each day?

[kennygeeze]

Hi, Epic.

Alot of my friends commute to sheridan either by extremely long car ride or taking the go-train. Maybe half the people I know from class actually live here in Oakville.

As far as when classes start.... you can probably anticipate alot of 8:00 in the morning start times.
I had an 8:00 every single day last semester except for thursday, which I had off.

So, if you think that you can get here by 8:00 on a normal day, then go for it. 30-40 minutes isn't too bad of a commute.... I have a half hour walk actually :p

[kennygeeze]

I ended up posting alot of my portfolio in the life-drawing and help forum.... :)

[mercury]

I'm a first year animation student at sheridan, i was first year Illustration last year, but i dropped out because i didn't like it.

You know, honestly I'd have tried to skip Fundies and apply for either Animation or Illustration directly. Its not that its a bad program, but a lot of my friends who've been through Fundies tell me it was a waste of a year for them. Because they began to realize by talking to studens in the other two programs, that they had a pretty good chance of getting into animation or illustration minus Fundies.

But then I guess it depends on the individual. I also drive to Sheridan, because I live in Scarborough. I'd recommend NOT doing this. It was pretty alright first sememster once I got used to it, but its becoming such a bitch now because of all the snow. I've missed so many classes. On a good day it takes me 35-45 mins to drive to school in the morning, and about an hour to hour 1/2 to get back in the afternoon(rush hour traffic kills). Add snow to the equation, and you'd be swearing more than the combined cast of Goodfellas. Trust me. I spend about 300 a month on gas, thats when I have classes 5 days a week. But if its just Fundies, you should be off by 12, so you'd actually miss rush hour traffic. Its really up to you, but it really is no picnic. I regret all the time I spend on the road, time that could be spend working on assignments...know what I mean?

My 2 cents.

[kennygeeze]

You know, honestly I'd have tried to skip Fundies and apply for either Animation or Illustration directly. Its not that its a bad program, but a lot of my friends who've been through Fundies tell me it was a waste of a year for them. Because they began to realize by talking to studens in the other two programs, that they had a pretty good chance of getting into animation or illustration minus Fundies.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you or anything, but I came from a school where not much was known about getting into high-caliber art programs..

There wasn't alot of life-drawing and I remember in my final year struggling to draw the likeness of a human face and being told to 'just use the projector' why why draw something that a camera can already do better..

For a while my school prided themselves on the fact that their entire graduating art class applied to art fundementals at sheridan and all of them got in.... it angered the teacher when I told her later on that pretty much anyone gets accepted and there is no portfolio requirement.

Art fundamentals filled alot of the holes in my art-training and opened alot of doors by using the peer tutors to help me supplement my lfie-drawing ability with more skills.

So, perhaps these people that had the potentiall all along to attend animation or whatever went to magnet schools where they had figure drawing... or at least observational drawing or painting.

Because I didn't have that.... I had people throw paint at canvas, tape garbage together, come up with bullshit explanation and get A+'s and I don't think that flies at sheridan.... at least not in animation or illustration anyways.

:)

[mercury]

I agree with you. My 12 and OAC art teacher were complete psychos, in that they'd give high marks to the most "unique" pieces. I just didn't bother listening to them, yeah they nearly failed me in each class, but fuck...I have the last laugh. The students who listened to them are in UofT studying Fine Arts.

I was just thinking that, If you're confident about your work, then try skipping Fundies and jsut apply for Animation or Illustration.

[endregan]

yeah the portfolio process is tough !

i am going to an ocad portfolio day and mailing mine in to sheridan.

you can see it in my progress sketchbook thread, its in my signature below the post.

btw kenny awesome portfolio. I dont have too much life drawing, but im planning sketching some friends :)

[kennygeeze]

I agree with you. My 12 and OAC art teacher were complete psychos, in that they'd give high marks to the most "unique" pieces. I just didn't bother listening to them, yeah they nearly failed me in each class, but fuck...I have the last laugh. The students who listened to them are in UofT studying Fine Arts.

Heheheh, could pretty much say exactly the same thing if I was talking about my art the last two years :D

I applied to illustration (the course I still want) 2 years in a row out of highschool, however I didn't have any formal life-drawing to put in or life-drawing experience.

I tried to do observational drawing, but 2 years ago it was kinda a burden and when my portfolio was done, I went back to drawing comic-'ish stuff, and last year I was only first getting into drawing alot from life... I only produced anything that I was happy with once long after my second portfolio had already been submitted, so yeah.... . :(

So, hopefully this year as I'm constantly refining my skills and already have 15 application pieces.... I just have to keep replacing the ones I have as I make better ones... and uh... really work on my life-drawing.

[kennygeeze]

btw kenny awesome portfolio. I dont have too much life drawing, but im planning sketching some friends

Thanks very much.

And I checked out your sketch thread.... very nice. I wish I had the patience to sit down and learn real anatomical structure... our figure drawing teachers really only have time to get into very simplified and metaphorical basic forms of the parts of the body.

Hopefully all that stuff you're doing is in the same sketchbook, as it looks like it would be an awesome piece to include for illustration.

[endregan]

Really ?

Thanks!

I am wondering what sketches to include in my sketchbook actually.

do you think the figure studies and imagination studies with a few observational sketches would do it?

It would be a great help if you could give me an example of a couple sketches I should include :)

[kennygeeze]

They like seeing a variety of things from observation. Namely hands and feet 'cause they're hard to draw... since your figure drawing represents your ability to draw figures in the studio, your sketchbook should represent your ability to draw people from real life in real life settings.

Include media experimentation... like if you have watercolor or charcoal laying around try drawing things with that.

Animals.... roughs and conceptual work for stuff that was turned into a final project.

I had a couple pages of my sketchbook photcopied by my drawing teacher and put on display today near the front hallway... these were them...

http://www.graphitesemantics.com/Graphics/images/portfolio/sketchy8.jpg

well, that's the one I have online anyways. They're not the most anatomically correct subjects in the world... the one girl looks like she says 6 fingers for some reason.... but basically I had a couple friends over at one point a couple months ago... and while we were just lounging around I sketched them. That's one example.

I'll probably scan some new sketches soon, but.... scenery, stuff that shows perspective, people, places, objects, archecture, animals... whatever...

Your anatomical studies would be a good addition, because alot of people don't know real anatomy yet until part way through their first year there.


Oh, and keep in mind these are just things that illustration proffessors and faculty of other art programs as well as students have told me.
So, if I'm wrong about anything, someone please correct me as I'm completing a sketchbook as well.

[endregan]

thanks ill be sure to include various observational sketches. i have to get working on that and include that more into my routine :)

that sketch is pretty solid

i like it. youve got leeway on me for observing ;)

well see next year heheh

[Red Mimic]

Hello, I'm applying to Sheridan's Illustration program for the 3rd time :D

First time was in highschool and I was clueless.
Second time I was swamped with work from art fundamentals at georgian and got the letter late (less that 2 weeks left) so I scrambleded to finish the new mandatory drawing test and ended up sending in a half finished portfolio.

For option A it only says submit UP TO 15, so i think you can do like 10 nice pieces and get away with it.

I am gonna post the drawings soon in a thread but right now i gotta get back to work and head off to an indoor soccer game for drawing test number 1.

(This thread is really helpful.)

[endregan]

Good luck!

keep us posted

[Red Mimic]

Hey thanks and good luck to you too.

Here's some of my stuff at my own thread.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18067


Kenny: I saw your thread and I really like your figure drawings, especially the gesture ones, they flow so nicely.

[endregan]

Awesome, good so far.

I posted some of mine in my sketch thread

[kennygeeze]

Thanks Redmimic.

I'll check your thread out.

[Red Mimic]

Hey endregan, I saw your sketch thread and the progression of your self portraits are really intersting. Personally I can't stand staring at myself in the mirror for that long and I've only drawn myself a few times before (my neck gets really tired because I never have a good spot to put the mirror :( ).

Just gonna answer that question from my other thread, I am taking option A. The first year I did it I just followed B and It worked out all right but I did not like half the work. This year I am mostly doing what I want but keeping it close to B like the sheets suggest. I took the art fundamentals course at georgian instead of the one at sheridan because of the distance. If I don't get into what I want this year I am just gonna go into the graphic design course there.

I didn't read most of the posts in your thread (its long and there are more pictures to look at instead :D) but I did skim through and noticed you had an appointment at OCAD. I was wondering what that was for (portfolio interview?) because I applied there and I haven't heard anything from them yet except that stupid University application sheet which came 2 weeks or so after I submitted my application.

[endregan]

Yeah that sounds good. 3 years sounds like a long time! About the self portraits, I know what you mean, but if you don't look in the mirror and see just shapes then you are seeing yourself and maybe it is not what you want to see. or you feel you are tired of looking at you, because you know you, right ? Just keep doing it !@ :) I have barely started

OCAD will send you something in the mail soon. If not call ocad. My appointment is next week from tuesday! If you havent gotten anything then you should call definitely. It is a great school, dont miss out on that option.

It is more open for the ocad portfolio. It is more like 15 pieces, choose, but suggest a sketchbook, still lifes, diff medias etc.

[Red Mimic]

Ok thanks. I'm kinda ticked off at this university application service, I pay 135 bucks and they may have screwed me, where as in college, I paid about half that and signed up for 2 programs (oh and of course it was nice to actually recieve something in the mail from the schools I applied to, think that's too much to ask for 135 dollars?).

I see what you mean about the self portraits, but my lack of enthusiasm for doing them is almost all related to the fact it always hurts my neck because I always pick a strange way to draw myself.)

[endregan]

Just draw your head face on. theres no way you will put your head in an uncomfortable position and draw or paint it, it hurts and your body tells you because it is not natural.

just draw your head comfortably!

Maybe you submitted late in the deadline. You might not get it until after the portfolio times ! the last possibly day is february the 15th I believe ?


Your best bet is to call the places you applied to to confirm and see what appointments you have...best that over waiting for the mail!!!!

[Red Mimic]

Well today I tried to get a hold of them but all I get in a message machine referring me to other extentions that also give me a message (its 1 : 30 pm here). I looked around at the website and I guess I'm screwed unless they have some sorta later date for some interviews. I don't even have my stuff for sheridan ready. What a great way to spend 135 bucks.....

[endregan]

Hmmm dont give up, try again!

Good lucK!

[Red Mimic]

Hooray! I'm not screwed, and I don't have to do the interview next week. I applied to the advanced standing illustration program and they have a different interview period. The letters should be sent in a few weeks.

So relieved.

[endregan]

good news!

:)

off to OCAD tomorrow.

mailed my sheridan portfolio in

[endregan]

Hmmm I still have to scan in the hands i submitted... but this will do for now!

Ocad portfolio

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9494&goto=lastpost

[Jdalley]

Heya...I just finished my portfolio for the BA in Animation program for Sheridan. They're pretty specific about what they want to see that's for sure...they sent me a list of exactly what they wanted to see in the portfolio and i'm bringing it in tomorrow morning. I'd love to throw some advice your way but I'm pretty much in the same boat as you....applying and hoping not to be rejected, lol.

well....this is my first post on the site, not a lot to say besides that! but if any of you want to check out a few of the things I've sent in to show Sheridan for my personal portfolio...there are some pencil drawings of mine on my site - www.freewebs.com/jeffdalley/myart.htm

Good luck to all who apply, hope to see you at Sheridan!

[Red Mimic]

Hey welcome to the site, you're pencil drawings are so soft looking. Do you blend them a lot or just do it naturally. Nice texture on that guys jeans in the digital picture (i think its digital).

One more drawing and I'm done! Guess I better get back to work, I have to drive to Oakville this Saturday.

[Jdalley]

heh, thanks...yeh I'm not very good with sketchy styles of life drawing *a flaw?* so I usually spend a long time making sure everything looks clean and smooth in my drawings, ones I want to finish anyway. And yeh that character with the jeans was done in photoshop, just a quickie (the texture was just noise - appropriately coloured and whatnot, heh)

Thanks! (Off to Sheridan today...wish me luck...)

[endregan]

Yeah!

Good luck guys!

tell us how it went :)


Acceptance letters are sent Mid-March I believe.

yay

[Jdalley]

well...I went to Sheridan. Fun times ;) and LOTS of hott girls, haha....anyways thats besides the point. It was great...turned in my portfolio, which was a wierd process...I went to pay for it on one end of the building...ended up walking half way around the campus before finding the portfolio submission room...then I find out we had to drop it off (it was 10:00 in the morning then), then pick it up at 4:00..which was a bit of a pain in the ass, not to mention a pretty wierd way of doing things; I have no idea how they managed to look at a few hundred portfolios in like 6 hours. At any rate, afterwards I attended a huge information session where everyone who brought a portfolio had gathered to ask questions. The lady leading the session seemed to try and sell us the whole time on the idea that its an almost essential idea to take first year Art Fundamentals in order to be in good stead for acceptance to the animation program... she basically told us that there wasn't a great chance many people straight out of highschool would get into the Animation program. This kinda bugged me because I was pretty much convinced she was just trying to sell the fundies program to us all :P . anyways...There was one student who attended the information session who was halfway through his first year in the Animation program, he told us all what it was like and how heavy the workload is, heh. Then he went on to discuss the cost of attending the program first year while living on campus...6 grand for tuition, then about half that (3000 or so) on personal Art supplies for the year, hundreds for books; and he said that he worked out his budget to allow him the 16-18 thousand he would end up spending that year while at Sheridan on all the above. So for those of you who thought tuition there wasn't that high...piece of cake, well depending on how far away you live, you'll probably end up spending that much if not more. I'm sure some of you expected that, but for me it was a surprise to learn how much you could expect to spend like that. Anyways...all and all, great place to visit and I'm hoping to be spending 4 years or so there.

[kennygeeze]

The lady leading the session seemed to try and sell us the whole time on the idea that its an almost essential idea to take first year Art Fundamentals in order to be in good stead for acceptance to the animation program... she basically told us that there wasn't a great chance many people straight out of highschool would get into the Animation program. This kinda bugged me because I was pretty much convinced she was just trying to sell the fundies program to us all :P .

That's pretty much accurate, actually. Highschools don't have the resources for the most part to prepare their kids for the level that the animation/ illustration programs are looking for.
Most highschools don't have life-drawing/life-painting and there is a huge disadvantage right there.
She is telling the truth. When animation or illustration accepts around 100 students each for their programs only around 25 of those people are highschool students. What they don't tell you is almost all of those 25 went to magnet schools... basically art-oriented highschools. --- this from an illustration proffessor.

Don't think of fundies as some crap program where all the newbies in art get dumped. I'm currently a student in that program and there is alot of extremely tough competition. It is difficult to do well. It is also very difficult to atttend all my classes, complete the homework, and attend 3 hours worth of life-drawing a night.

[endregan]

Ocad has 7 hours a week of life drawing I was told.

Is this not enough? Are there extra hours you can take ?

I would take all extra classes if I could, but I assume it costs money hah.

how many hours are at sheridan?


Thats agreed about highschool. Most dont teach life drawing...

but I had some intruction. Wed get fellow students, with their clothes on of course, to pose for gesture and some longer poses.

it helped a lot, I mean without some direction I wouldve been lost. If you really work hard and find a local life drawing course though I assume you have a better chance of entering animation at sheridan.

I would still try my best. The fundies is probably the best way to go.

Now only thing is...Ocad or sheridan?!

:)

[::EPIC::]

Decisions decisions :D

kenny, how many fundies students do they actually take in 100?

Man with a situation such as it is for acceptance into illustration/animation, they best make room since that would put WAY to much competition to get into 1 yr certificate program.

[kennygeeze]

Ocad has 7 hours a week of life drawing I was told.

For art fundamentals students this is how the llife-drawing schedule was set up this year.
We have a drawing class with an instructor once every week. All of our classes are weekly.
Then there is "extra life" where it's just the models, optional attendance for students, and it works in 3 hour sessions.
There's a life-drawing session on Monday at 2:00, Tuesday at 3:00, Wednesday at 3:00, thursday at 6:00, and none friday.
There are alsop "open lifedrawing" for all students and they run periodically through the week as well... they're not restricted by program.
Animation and illustration students have their own life-drawing. I think it's more often than fundies... like every night and even on saturday. Sometimes if you're lucky you can sneak into theirs.

So even if you just go to the fundies life-drawing all week... that's still more than OCAD.
Something to think about.

[kennygeeze]

Originally posted by ::EPIC::
Decisions decisions :D

kenny, how many fundies students do they actually take in 100?

Man with a situation such as it is for acceptance into illustration/animation, they best make room since that would put WAY to much competition to get into 1 yr certificate program.

I'm not sure of the exact numbers of how many fundamentals students they take... I'm sure it changes every year.
But basically with life-drawing and life-painting in their portfolios their only real competition is people from other art courses and other fundies students... something my painting teacher said.

Art fundamentals usually starts out every year with 600 kids in the program... and then there's the drops.... and there are ALOT of drops. It's still a tough course.
My class in particular was split up because so many kids dropped out.

I don't know how many are left now.. but I remember in september on the first day the teacher asked everyone what they wanted to get into next year... and everyone was like... "Animation" "animation" "animation" "animation", etc etc.

The class I'm in right now only has about 5 people out of 25 aspiring to get into animation /illustration or anything like that.

It's still highly competitive.

Forgive me if I didn't answer your question.

[::EPIC::]

nope i think that covered it lol, thanks man!


(grinds teeth) still waiting on word from Sheridan to see if i get in....

hey if u have time check out some let me phrase this right..."sketches" in another thread...

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19127

[Red Mimic]

Hey, I'm posting this message from the sheridan lobby kinda place, need to kill some time because i forgot to bring a book or something to draw on. I have another 3 hours before I can pick up my portfolio. Maybe i'll go on that tour in a little while.

This year i didn't have to wait forever to pay my fee and the lineup wasn't that bad.

You are right about all the hot girls here, its pretty nice everywhere you look :D. Maybe some people who will be readin this now are here somewhere in this hall way. This console is wierd to type on though.

The information session i went to was done by some guy and I learned they are accepting more people this year compared to the last few ones, about 60 to put it up to 180 people. Around 800 or so applied.

I hate the drive here so IF i get in I gotta find somewhere that I can either walk or take the bus.

Cya later.

[endregan]

Yeah nice mimic. Cross our fingers eh :)

I have to find a place either. Once i recieve letters of acceptance then I will have to choose what and where, and then figure out where im going to live and all that money business :).

have a good weekend

[darth massacre]

Uh, well, my less than satisfactory portfolio submission has just arrived in Sheridan today....they've extended the dateline to today 12 march 04 so I think it will be a while before you guys get any replies from Sheridan.

Submitting my OCAD portfolio next week. Working on it now. :D


Hope you guys will keep everyone updated. Although I am unsure if I'll get in eventually (to either schools) but should I get there, it'd be great to meet you folks.

[endregan]

Good luck!

I thought OCAD was done with portfolios. I think I hear back from them sometime this month, but well see haha.

They extended it? thats strange, but youre lucky then ! :)

You are all the way in Singapore?!

geez thats a bit away. hope you get in to where you want to go!

[bigmonkeynuts]

Yeah you guys shouldn't be sweating as much as people the last few years, even as much as i was last year. Red Mimic is right, there's talk of them letting in 180 students next year. Now at first you may think that means there's a much better chance of you getting in, and that's true! Still, it's a horrible idea.

Hell, this year, I was 1 of 120 that made it in. That number is higher than the years before, and it shows by how the year is going. Teachers are getting angry, many have too many students to take care of and are finding it hard to get all the marking done. A new animation teacher was hired to take care of one of the classes this semester because our main one couldn't handle the load. The first year students have one main animation room with I'm guessing about 30-40 desks in it. It is shared amongst all 4 of the classes this year. After hours, it is always packed and often it's hard to find a seat when the animation deadlines are near. During the day, the room is booked all week with classes, and some of our classes (my storyboarding class, for example) takes place is small cramped classrooms nearby with normal tables and chairs because we couldn't find time to have our class in the main room. We have it pretty bad...with 120 students... If they don't do some serious renovations over the summer (there has been talk over it but I'm sure of what they're thinking of doing) I don't even want to THINK what it will be like for 180 students. That many simply can't share that one small room, its too much.

Next year doesn't look good for us either unless some serious renovations occur. Second year students are supposed to get their own desk, and right now it's fine for the rest of the classical animation students... the room is just right for their size. But we have 120 students...

Then there is the computer classes (which I've sort of given up on because the teacher is kind of a joke). We're stuffed in the area the graduate computer animation program has their classes in and don't have use of the area outside of our classes. Thankfully this semester another lab was made open for us to work on maya assignments but honestly it's quite small and will not fit both the 120 students and next years 180! This program needs it's own computer animation area, because for the next 3 years a new year of students will be needing computers as well as us.

I'm also fearing the teachers next year. I've hear rumors of them only hiring people with degrees (sadly - it's a degree program now). But does that mean our current teachers without degrees (quite a few of them) wont have jobs? Our life drawing teacher, Mark Thurman, from what I've been told doesn't have a degree. Yet he has some of the finest life drawings I've seen. His knowledge of anatomy is insane and he's one of our best teachers. He really shouldn't be teaching a degree program.

Sorry to sound grumpy guys, but I just want to let you know what you may be getting into. They were VERY unprepared for this new BA program, and I think at least another year could have gone by until they implemented it. It just makes me laugh to think they'll be letting in an additional 60 students next year when we're already having so many problems with 120. I mean honestly, who's running this thing!? (actually right now we don't have a program coordinator running things, our first one quit before the end of the first semester! lol)

But who knows, maybe they'll get their act together over the summer, improve the facilities and and actually have an organized program? God i hope so!

[endregan]

yeah good point that is some interesting info!

i agree, should be more organized but hey it happens.

I am not sure, even if I get into illustration, if I will accept it.

Reasons are perhaps that I need more life drawing behind my belt or general experience. How much do you need to be able to do your best in illustration?

animation sounds good too.

too crowded? i would have never thought...geez thats bad news!

[kennygeeze]

In an information session we were told that the reason animation/illustration were accepting so many more kids was because the government essentially 'forced' them to accept more.

Sounds a little strange to me...

[kennygeeze]

Uh, well, my less than satisfactory portfolio submission has just arrived in Sheridan today....they've extended the dateline to today 12 march 04 so I think it will be a while before you guys get any replies from Sheridan.

That's pretty idiotic... it's been nearly 3 weeks since my portfolio was due. I can't even imagine what another couple weeks would have made in the stuff I submitted, had I got the extra time.

No offense... I'm glad your portfolio made the cut off date, but it's hardly a level playing field with such a huge difference in time.

[wraithdt]

Hello, everyone!

I find this thread very informative cuz I'm also in the midst of applying for Sheridan Canada. I've already sent my portfolio back in Febuary and they told me to expect a reply by April. Mind you, I'm applying as an international student so the requirements might be a little different. I know many of you here are Sheridan students, so I'd just like to know my chances in getting in and what were/are the standards of elligibity.

Here are some samples of my work. I posted all around this forum, but here's a few links for convenient's sake.

sample 1 (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18905)

sample 2 (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18907)

Pls tell me what you guys think; I'm anxious. Here's hoping!:chug:

[darth massacre]

Kennygeeze, no problem. I was actually surprised they'd extend the deadline but I guess its meant for potential students who are submitting stuff from overseas like myself.

For starters the Canadian Education Centre here advises potential students to apply for schools between Jan to March. They didn't take into consideration the specialised courses I guess. I didn't know Sheridan's original deadline was Feb 20 until I recieved the portfolio requirements on Feb 19, after a series of miscommunication with International Services.

In any case By the time I heard they extended the deadline to March 12 (that was on March 8) by calling international services...I only had a few days to put together something. I'm working full time as a concept artist at a local CG studio and our teams are stretched to thin we work close to 70 hours a week. Had to take an off day just to dig out stuff to put in.

They'll probably consider those who've sent the applications first....my guess is those who sent in on March 12 would only be given a place if someone pulls out or something.



Endregan, thanks. OCAD portfolios for international students have an 09 Apr deadline I think. I'm sending mine soon to prevent any last min screwups that might happen. I got lucky with the Sheridan portfolio submission. Whether I get in or not is another story.

[carpal]

Originally posted by darth massacre
Kennygeeze, no problem. I was actually surprised they'd extend the deadline but I guess its meant for potential students who are submitting stuff from overseas like myself.


Actually, that isn't true. this is straight from an illustration teacher at Sheridan. When they reviewed portfolios there were so few good submissions that they are hoping by extending it to get some better ones. They have more students to accept this year too and they didn't get enough quality submissions. If they didn't extend it the teachers are worried about the quality of the program. Kenny, I have heard that they might allow people who have already applied to send in an updated portfolio, not totally sure about that yet though

[kennygeeze]

Darth Massacre... thanks. That makes more sense. I guess wasn't considering the fact of the whole mailing in delay for the international students.

PZ... that's extremely interesting. I can only hope that I was one of the few 'good' ones. My 2nd year illustration life-drawing tutor says my life-drawings were almost on par with the stuff they were hanging up in the hallway from the first years earlier in the semester. So, hopefully that means something. :confused:

I'll either be really upset or laughing my ass off if I don't get in this time as I was looking at a couple portfolios that got in from a couple first years... and well... I'm not impressed. Half the stuff looked like it was done the night before and their drawing test was copied out of comic books.. :eek:

[kennygeeze]

Originally posted by wraithdt
Hello, everyone!

I find this thread very informative cuz I'm also in the midst of applying for Sheridan Canada. I've already sent my portfolio back in Febuary and they told me to expect a reply by April. Mind you, I'm applying as an international student so the requirements might be a little different. I know many of you here are Sheridan students, so I'd just like to know my chances in getting in and what were/are the standards of elligibity.

Here are some samples of my work. I posted all around this forum, but here's a few links for convenient's sake.

sample 1 (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18905)

sample 2 (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18907)

Pls tell me what you guys think; I'm anxious. Here's hoping!:chug:


Your drawings are very very good, however I know the requirements for illustration and i'm pretty sure animation? say specifically no fantasy, sci-fi, anime, comic book art, images of the horrific in any shape or form.
THe your examples show fantasy subject matter? They want to see work from observation... that's all I really know. Life-drawing especially (apparently)

[Artificer]

The Golden Age of Sheridan is no longer :)

Things have changed, drastically. Due to past success and its reputation, Sheridan's programs have grown a bit too fast (when in fact the industry's has declined).

Don't get me wrong, Sheridan remains an excellent choice to pursue an education in animation or illustration.

I wish those of you entering the programs much success.

Regardless of whether you are accepted into Sheridan or not, remember that an artist's passion is his driving force, and it is that passion which will take you along the path to success, not a particular school or a piece of paper.

[wraithdt]

Originally posted by kennygeeze



Your drawings are very very good, however I know the requirements for illustration and i'm pretty sure animation? say specifically no fantasy, sci-fi, anime, comic book art, images of the horrific in any shape or form.
THe your examples show fantasy subject matter? They want to see work from observation... that's all I really know. Life-drawing especially (apparently)

Well, luckily I did send quite a number of my life drawing works. So, I'm not too worried; I just hope that they like it.

[endregan]

I just got mail from OCAD.

I got accepted!!!


Anybody else hear back yet?!

[kennygeeze]

Endregan, congrats on your acceptance. :)

On an unrelated note I just heard yesterday that out of all the portfolios submitted to illustration at sheridan this year... around 800 or so... only 60 of those made the cut.

I guess we knew already that they wanted more people to submit... but the numbers seem a little... well... surprising.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

[endregan]

Hey thanks!

Yeah those numbers seem a bit low huh.

I wasnt ready for illustration anyways ;)

Foundations first! :)

[::EPIC::]

yeah those numbers seem really low, i thought i heard that they were increasing their numbers to allow more in...

have to write a entrance test tuesday, hopefully that puts me through! has anyone writen it?

[kennygeeze]

Epic, I didn't even know of any sort of entry test... at least... I didn't have to write one or anything.

Is this still in reference to the illustration program?

I thought they were increasing their numbers too, but everyone is saying something different and it's really annoying.

:mad:

I heard this as well from a teacher of mine. Something a person in faculty in illustration said. "Portfolio quality has been in decline for the past while"... and then something about them only lowering their standards so far before they sacrifice the quality of the program.

And this is reason for them only filling 60 seats so far... quite lame considering they said not more than two weeks ago they're expanding the program to allow more people in.

And anyone else find that all somewhat pretentious?

:(

[::EPIC::]

yes, but i do understand the reason behind it...mainly to keep the graduates at a level worthy of international attention. This is where talent should play a huge roll in their decision making, but if it's a bad year i don't want a course to just shut down for the reason that the submitted portfolios were bad, if interest is there and the money is good teach em. But what i do think however is that fundies students should get first pick of things since they need to make a course decision on the fly and don't deserve outside interference.

[kennygeeze]

:chug: :chug: :D

Found out this morning I got accepted to illustration... I'm pretty happy about that :D


:beer:

[Caprice]

Congrats!

How did you find out?
Did they send you a letter, or what?

[kennygeeze]

Thanks.

On the sheridan website there's like this portal sheridan academic services link. You follow that through and you can check the status of your application.

and my status was 'accepted'

I know several other people that got into illustration as well... i'm pretty happy I'm going to be seeing them next year to some degree.

[Caprice]

The cursed site won't work for me!

It keeps telling me that, "A serious error has occured in the desktop".

I'll try again tomorrow morning, though it looks like the odds are against me. (60 out of 800!?!?)

[kennygeeze]

Yeah, my one friend was trying to log on during the evening and he kept getting the same error.


Hmmm, you never know. I really wasn't confident that I'd get in, but I did for some reason.

Are you in art fundamentals or anything?

60 out of 800 is aproximitely what I heard... but I'm assuming they accepted more than that now. In my art fundies class alone... there were like 4 people that got in, so... 16 other classes, international students, magnet schoosl... they probably accepted more than 60.

[Caprice]

Coming out of high school, actually.
eh-heh...

Well, I guess I'll see!
Il'l try it out again tomorrow morning.

Thanks for all the info! :)

[::EPIC::]

kenny, it's good to hear you were accepted to illustration! Wish you the best of luck, I'm still in 'waiting' for my response from them...took the testing and they mentioned it could take up to a week to hear back.

I've logged in at non-peak times and the access sheridan login worked for me, just try it that way.

[Hexal]

Congrats kennygeeze:chug:

i went to my mailbox today and got a sheridan letter with the login info went to my thing. I know i cant get into illustration(which sucks) cause i got screwed for courses, but for fundemenatls it say conditinal offer, whats that mean? The I click the check list and it say the english and OSSD are outstanding, now i know my english marks are not the best, i barley get by sometimes, but there above the req :confused: and does OSSD stand for Ontario Secondary School Diploma(SP)?

[endregan]

great news kenny!

i havent gotten anything in the mail yet

Is there a specific link to check? I couldnt find it!

[kennygeeze]

Thanks everyone!

Hexal, conditional acceptance means that you're accepted... you just have to meet the criteria they give you in the letter.
Last year I got conditional acceptance to art fundamentals and basically they just wanted me to get my highschool diploma.

Endregen, go to the sheridan site here http://www.sheridanc.on.ca click on access sheridan link.... it's one of the icons with pictures about halfway down the page.... log in, then follow the links through from SA services to learner services, admissions, and then check status of your application... and then it should tell you.

[Red Mimic]

That's great kenny, I got locked outta the site for awhile after i checked it once.

I finally got back in but its still under consideration. At least they updated it a bit and now it says they recieved my portfolio. Damn this waiting!

I have a question for you kenny, in highschool did you complete OACs or anything like that with the equivalent?

Half my worry goes to if my portfolio was good enough, but the other half is that I skipped oac and only took this wierd college prep course that I think was an equivalent.

[kennygeeze]

Thanks, Red Mimic.

No, although I took OAC courses as well as grade 12 university level course from the old curriculum, I did not get that specialized diploma from getting all six OAC's or whatever..

However, at sheridan the certificate given out for completing art fundamentals is held in higher regard than any highschool diploma credentials.

Since illustration is an applied degree program you might need that OAC diploma thingy... or that university level one from the new grade 12 curriculum. Or if you got the certificate from taking art fundies at sheridan... or waited until your mature student status kicked in... 4 years I think?

I think illustration is mostly concerned about the portfolio over anything else... but these other requirements make you eligable.

Did you submit option A or option B for the illustration portfolio?
I had a look at your stuff on your site and I think your stuff is pretty solid..

Good luck.

EDIT: that college prep course might be equivelent... your best bet is to contact admissions at sheridan and find out. The specific E-mail link should be on your application status page.

[endregan]

Yeah I dont have a user and pass yet so I will jsut wait :)

Good to hear you got in

[kennygeeze]

Endregen, how did you apply to sheridan? Was it through that OASIS internet applying service?

If it was... it's the exact same pass and username as that... Well... it was for me anyways.

[Red Mimic]

I did the option where it isn't specific. I can't remember what one that is though.

Anyways I took an art fundametals course at another college so I hope that counts like your sheridan one did.

It would suck a lot if I couldn't get in because i'm missin an english credit, every english I took was advanced and I had an 80+ grade usually even though I spent half the time sleepin or drawin at the back of a notebook since I had the same english teacher for 3 years.

[House Gaijin Hokage]

Yo, kennygeeze You were in AF18 too? I was the class rep the guy with long hair and a trucker hat. Congrats to getting in. Me on the other hand funny shit happened. Fucked up animation portfolio even though it was better than most kids, Illustration my prtfolio made the cut and I scored better than most of the kids but some ladies in admissions office wont let me into the program cause of my high school marks and they didnt consider that I did general arts and science to get a higher average so now theyre redoing my grades and the head is trying to get me in so now they might make some standard where I have to get B's in every class or they might let me in. Pretty pissed if they say no, but makes you think how sheridan is going down hill when they prefer academics over the quality of art.

Well I just checked my grades today so one A four B+'s and a C+ ,the minimal amount of coarses is 6 to qualify as full time and theyre above 65% in gpa so now I can fuck the school over if they refuse.

[Hexal]

House Gaijin Hokage that sucks, My marks in Highschool are the worst, I do good in art and computers and anything other then an acedemic intesive(as you can see by my spelling and grahamer(thats wrong for sure)) course, The one reason im going for the fundamentals first is because i got screwed for the illustration from the guidance people at my school

:bash:

And ive heard(from sheridan) that if i take the fundamentals the year after they wont look at the Highschool marks anymore.:rolleyes:

[House Gaijin Hokage]

Yhea thats true but you goitta have 65% in all your courses and you cant drop them. The problem with fundies is that its too diverse in what they teach you and some courses are more leniant towards design. Having the mark prior to getting in this program I droped some coarses so I could life draw as much as I can. Hopefully though they change their mind tomorow and I might be let in cause I talked to the head of admisions and she saw that they might have fucked up the grades.

[kennygeeze]

House Gaijin Hokage, yeah... I was in AF18 as well. That sucks about your problem. I'm not sure if I like the whole idea about the 'degree' program.
Because now that it's applied degree the administration has to make use of all those university politics, which always screw people over.
Let us know if it works out. :)

Red Mimic, that would be option B, I think... if I remember correctly. And yeah... hopefully they count that other course like the one I took at sheridan is. If you want to play it safe contact admissions and make sure they know about it... they might not recognize it as anything important... so you might have to point it out for them.
Was there life-drawing in your portfolio?

Hexal, I feel your pain. I can't tell you how many times I was screwed over by my highschool guidance who didn't exactly know what they were talking about.
The only thing I think they're good at is taking a student who doesn't know what they heck they want to do and point them in a direction... other than that they don't know what the heck is going on outside their respective highschool.

[Hexal]

Originally posted by House Gaijin Hokage
Yhea thats true but you goitta have 65% in all your courses and you cant drop them

Thats not good, im doing extremely bad in english now,but for my "conditianl offer" thing I had a 53 on there. Are you saying in the required courses you need 65+ ?
I think it says 60 in their book.

[Red Mimic]

That's a good idea, I think I'll contact them tomorrow.

Anyways, my portfolio had drawings all done from life except 3 of them which were done from photos that were either sent to me or I took.

[Michael_H]

I got into the Art fundamentals program. I'm quite happy... now I need to worry about getting residence...

[endregan]

53?!

you should have put more effort man!

english is about the only course you need for art O_o!

oh i got into art fundies at sheridan also!

just have to decide... ocad or sheridan... i dunno im leaning towards ocad.

[kennygeeze]

Just curious, but why are you leaning towards OCAD?

[House Gaijin Hokage]

Well now I have to write a formal letter, which I did. Gues now the dean, the illustration program coordinator and the evil admissions lady prepare for a meeting and review my stuff. Not really concerned seeing as the program coordinator will lean more towards my opinion and I got help from a second year U of T English major so its a pretty solid argument in the letter now I just hope for the best and if worst comes to worst I might have to do a semester of general arts and science to get the marks I already have.

Oh one more thing OCAD is bad. As much as fundies sucks and theres alot of whack artists its probably one of the best foundation coarses that can teach you a thing or too. Ocad might be nice cause its in downtown toronto but mostly gay people go there, not gay as in they suck but actually gay people and verry artsy people too. You wont get much of a education if you want your art to get better.

[endregan]

i dont know ocad seems pretty solid.

I could care less if 'gay' people are there. It all has to do with what place I really want, and why.

I need to make a list of positives and negatives for each... i think i shall start it up

help me out

advantages
sheridan - tons of life drawing, good teachers?
ocad- many great artists have come from here eg dan milligan, moderate life drawing and great location

disadvantages

sheridan- far away in the middle of nowhere?, i dont know many others :), though that is not too bad, btw what is the cost of living down there?, residence is a lottery... i found that exciting lol

ocad- "artsy"

Please add more. I think it has to do with opinion a bit too, slander, but we shall see! I mean those who go to sheridan will know what is good about sheridan, and bash ocad, and vice versa. but it is good to hear the good and the bad

:)

[kennygeeze]

I'm not necessarily bashing OCAD, but I have heard alot of complaints about it. The only good things I've heard about the school are the fact that it's design programs are really good.
A teacher, a couple students I've met, and a former life-model at the school had nothing, but bad things to say.

But anyways...

I'd look into future programs that you want. Art fudamentals is only one year so you should probably have a good idea now what you want to take afterward and what program you'll be making a portfolio for. If that program happens to be at sheridan, then take AF at sheridan, and if it hapens to be at OCAD then take it at OCAD.
And OCAD's more of a fine-arts school aside from their design programs.

If you took sheridan's illustration program it's likely you'd become a pro illustrator, where-as the illustration program at OCAD will gear you more towards being a gallery artist or an art teaching job simply because it's more fine-arts oriented.

OCADs art fundamentals sounds like very much a clone program of the AF at sheridan... except OCAD has less of an emphasis on life-drawing.... which to me life-drawing is one of the most important things about an art program.

You ask any student at sheridan who's improved alot in art and ask how they got that level and they all will say something to do with life-drawing.

The illustration and animation courses here practically revolve around the practice.


And just for reference.... sheridan isn't out in the middle of no-where. It's in Oakville, surrounded by quite a huge residential area. There's a large mall about a twenty minute walk .... some people who are real into the clubs and bars though usually have to go to some other city, because apparently our pubs aren't as good.

And downtown Toronto is probably not more than a half an hour drive from the sheridan parking lot... because I've made the drive a couple times.... so I don't know where you live, but you'd be just as far from home in either location... give or take about a half an hour car ride.

And what I think what gaijin was getting it as far as saying gay 'artsies' or whatever... is he was describing those really artsy people who have really under-developed drawing abilities...

[endregan]

Thanks for the info..

geez it is tough. sheridan sounds so good eh i dont know what to do.

i dont think i could teach, but i dont know....

man hmmm. it is complex decision

my twin brother is looking at ocad as his first choice, so i dont know yet.

Is there any extra life drawing at ocad?

how formal as in essays etc are there anyways?

how are you marked at sheridan for fundies, do you have assignments and some free ones or what?

Man tough times haha :D

I need to start looking for places. so i should figure out what school first!!!

whats a good place to live if u go to sheridan

[kennygeeze]

sheridan art fundamentals works like this...

Your classes...

Drawing 1 - you learn drawing mostly from the figure in this class. During first semester there's weekly excersises and assignments you either have to complete within the studio or take home to do. Anywhere from learning a specific technique like gesture drawing to.... drawing your kitchen at your house.
You are marked on your ability to follow instructions... basically how my class worked.. the assignment would be given and due the following week, as long as you had it done you were cool, then the teacher would critique it, tell you what was wrong with it, and at that point you'd either fix it up, hand it in if nothing was wrong, or re-do it if you totally messed up. The drawings themselves only take around 3 hours to do so it's no biggie if you have to re-do sometimes.
Second semester there are far less projects, but you have to do life-drawing portfolios... which was far less stressful for me than weekly assignments.


Painting 1- every week there is a model... and you assignments include drawing - painting that model every week. You learn measured drawings, and a bunch of different painting styles (depending on your teacher)... the paintings are multi-week assignments... lasting anywhere from 2 classes long to over a month.
You also have small take-home projects... I think the first was still-life you had to make yourself and then paint it, then you had to draw/paint your hands feet... second semester is doing a painting of the same room you had to draw in drawing class and very last assignment which I'm working on now is the self portrait.


Imaging systems - first semester it's like a technical draft-menship course. You learn technical perspective and schematical grid/wireframe drawings. Second semester you design logos and things... learn how to use art markers to render various things and how to combine the art markers with various other mediums to get cool effects.

2D Design - each project is really long lasting... you learn guache in this class. Basically how our projects would work is the criteria of the assignment would be given and we'd work up roughs for our designs by the following week. The teacher would critique and we would conintue working on them... the next week we'd either continue with the roughs stage or if the project was almost over a final design would be approved and we'd get to do the final in guache.
This is the course you learn good presentation in...


3D Design - you work with alot of different materials... first semester I had to use alot of strange awkward crap to make things... second semester was more about designing your own projects and using conventiional materials like sculpey, clay, paper, etc.

Ideas and images- this is the only course you'd ever have to write an essay in. It's labled "art history", but essentially it's like an informal history/socialogy/psychology/analytical lecture class.
First semester the teacher would lecture on about a subject for an hour, we would then be asked to draw something that was somehow related to that, we would post our sketches and then specific examples would be critiqued/analyzed. Then at the end of the semester we had to take one of those sketches... make it into a final work of art... anything we wanted... painting, sculpture, drawing, computer CG, whatever... and write up to 500 words about it. Either the topic that inspired us to draw it, what steps we took to convey a certain topic, etc. Second semester was a little more complex... but pretty much the same.

But yeah... there's no real essay english courses to waste your time. 500 words isn't alot... in fact I don't think I've written more than 2000 words in all my courses all year.
There's no required reading... some suggested reading though.
Sometimes you're given a small package to read over before a class, but you don't have to buy textbooks or anything.

There's life-drawing practically every night and most afternoons as well.

[kennygeeze]

Is there any extra life drawing at ocad?

Not as much as sheridan. I don't even know if there is for the foundations year. Not sure though.

[endregan]

Whoa that is a solid curriculum!!!

I wonder how it compares to Ocads?

i hear they have 7 hours of life drawing a week at ocad, but even though it sounds like a lot, i was thinking more like 40 hahaha :)

I would love that!

Where do you live when you are going to sheridan ?

[bigmonkeynuts]

yup, life drawing is important... just don't forget the other stuff too! One thing you may notice in animation here at sheridan, there's some poeple that don't spend any extra time with life drawing, some who realize its importance and do it (like myself), and then there are some who are obsessed and act like nothing else matters! It's too bad really... they get very good at life drawing but in any other areas they fall behind. Some guys I know forget about doing homework to go to extra life drawing. The projects they hand in are rushed and you can tell they put very little effort/thought into it. I fear for these guys... if they never take the time to create their own work, what shape will they be in when they leave school? You don't get hired with a portfolio full of life drawings!

When I was in art fundamentals, this is how I was, to a certain degree. I spent very little time working from my imagination and all my time studying from life. While my life drawing skills improved by leaps and bounds, my imagination was not exercised enough and really didn't improve throughout the year. This year it's a different story. I hit up maybe one or two extra sessions a week and spend time in my sketchbooks and painting and doing other things I enjoy.

Because honestly, you wont develop that imagination unless you practice. Ideas and concepts are just as (if not more) important than the technical skills used to represent them.

But yeah, just some stuff to think about. Sorry if it sounds like i'm lecturing you guys here (really not my intention). I've just seen to many others forget about everything else once they're on a roll with their lifedrawings. Kenny, maybe you've seen it in your classes, there are people like that. it's like a damn obsession!

Gotta take it all in... i remember hearing once about a triangle of study growing artists could follow. Each of the three points represent drawing from life, drawing from imagination, and drawing from other artists work, respectively...

- draw and paint from life - important!
- draw and paint from imagination (test those things you've learned in life study), develop your conceptual skills - important!
- study (and copy) from artists you admire and artists with talent (masters copies) - important!

All of this refers to personal study (since you wouldn't want to copy other artists when making something and calling it your own). I'm trying to stay in the middle of the triangle now and it's working great. I was out of balance last year. lol

[kennygeeze]

Where do you live when you are going to sheridan ?

I think when you confirm your acceptance to sheridan... around that time they send you a package and in that package are some papers that you can register for the 'residence' that's connected directly to sheridan.
The only problem is that they don't have very many spots and you'll probably end up on a waiting list... I was 298 on the list myself.
If you don't get into residence... they have student housing services as a link on their site and basically people put up adds that they're looking for a room-mate, renting out a basement, etc, etc.

Note: people who live in residence sometimes have a alot of complaints about it. It's probably the most expensive place you could live while going to sheridan and it's often quoted as "alot of money, for alot of rules"

I live in a condo/townhouse about a 25 minute walk from campus... there are places alot closer.

Some of the other places I had to choose from were a furnished basement in a old lady's house or living with an art student in a family's rec-room with attached bedrooms, etc.

I know it might seem a little daunting... the first year you move away from home you living in a place that isn't even a school 'residence' (i was quite scared coming out of highschool), but you get used to it pretty quickly... and my room-mates turned out to be quite alot of fun so it was a great experience.

I'd just suggest trying to contact places you're interested in (come the time if you don't get accepted into residence) and then trying to visit those places to actually see what would be the best.
Don't get anything site-unseen... there's alot of strange horror stories I've heard where people do that and they find out they're moving into some guy's kitchen in an apartment and they have a shower curtain for privacy ;)

The place I have is pretty awesome. The landlord lives about a city away and she basically bought it with the intent of 'renting' to art students... so the house has it's own art table, there's this glade right outside the window (which worked out because of the amount of trees and plants I had to draw in first semester drawing 1) and essentially 2 common rooms (one above the other)

I have friends who also live in houses specifically rented for students, a couple people I know live in shared apartments, people's basements, res, people who commute from Toronto/scarborough (don't reccomend that), and a bunch of other situations.

One of the reasons why my place is good vs. living in res (and why I'm actually glad I didn't get accepted into res) is because I don't have to pay to have guests ovvernight or 'sign them in' when they come during the day.

Heh, sorry for rambling... just trying to capture my experience so you don't decide 'not' to go to sheridan just because living arrangments seem too daunting.

Basically the way I worked it was.... during the day the very last week in may my parents chose a day while I was in school to come down and look at about 20 places. Then the following week I came down with them in the evening to check out about 3 of those places that apparently were 'best' and I chose the one I liked the most.

Errr, yeah. Hope that helped.

PS. so far everyone I know pretty much is very happy where they're living EXCEPT the people who have to cummute or live in res. They complain alot. Heh.

[endregan]

Awesome you are such a great help! :)

I know what you mean with balance! I have been focussing on life lately but getting into imagination to apply the life. masters copy is really good too like the bargues!

I would like to know further information about Ocad, anyone here currently going that could help out? I just want to know what it is like there, and compare the two.

It is hard to compare since I havent been a student at either place. I have checked out both places but have never learnt or see the curriculums.

The residence info is great. I would definitly look for a place, though it would get expensive wouldnt it? I mean does osap cover that ? If I chose to go to Sheridan I would love to live in a close by place, i will have to check it out. Sounds like you have a nice place to live :)

How do you get to sheridan, you walk everyday?

Ill have to research some more :)


Any OCAD students?

[carpal]

if you really want to hammer out a solid year and take it upon yourself to learn a lot, sheridan is a great place to be. you WILL have the opportunity to improve. there are good and bad teachers in fundies but it is a cheap program and if you are motivated you WILL get good. You will need to prioritize though, decide what it REALLY is you want to get better at and DO it. (plus put effort in 2d class, it's important I promise) and screw 3d. errrr

yeah, plus OCAD will usually accept art fundamentals as transfer in to second year, and if not totally second year, you just have a couple classes to make up.

[Red Mimic]

Well what an interesting day, I woke up before my shift at work and found they finally updated, the words "REFUSED ADMIT" were sittin there laughin back at me and the checklist said program requirments : outstanding. I was kickin myself and figured my portfolio was not up to snuff, but it also said my portfolio was complete. So i guess the other thing was something to do with my academic record. (If i'm wrong about that please let me know because I really have no idea if that includes the portfolio or not).

Anyways throughout the day I remembered I actually forgot to forward my high school transcript to the application service. I was so concerened with my portfolio and college transcript that It slipped my mind.

Anyways I came back after work and now it says WAITING LIST, which is good because maybe i have a chance to fix my mistake. Too bad this happened on the long weekend and i won't be able to call them until tuesday I believe.

Anyone who has any tips for this situation would be really really helpful.

[endregan]

ahh mimic that is strange. it didnt get your transcripts?

i am lucky, my guidance sent out my transcripts

we went through OCAS not OASIS. I dont know what oasis is, I guess that is why I cant login to the sheridan portal!

[kennygeeze]

The residence info is great. I would definitly look for a place, though it would get expensive wouldnt it? I mean does osap cover that ? If I chose to go to Sheridan I would love to live in a close by place, i will have to check it out. Sounds like you have a nice place to live

How do you get to sheridan, you walk everyday

I know people who pay anywhere from $300 a month to.... over $500. It all depends. And some leases are 12 month, while some you can rent for the duration of the school year.
And I'm pretty sure sheridan residence is more than 500.

I know some scholarships/financial aid and whatnot can be put toward your rent... if you work it so you are paying your own rent then I think you can claim part of it on your income tax.
I don't really know many who use their financial aid for rent though.... I don't even think OSAP covers your entire tuition most of the time *shrug*

And yeah, I walk to sheridan everyday. Takes me about 25 minutes to get to the campus from my driveway. THere are probably bus routes which would get me there quicker... but I took the city bus constantly all last year and I don't like being limited by the bus times or 'running for the bus' if I didn't quite make it in time.

Although I think out of all the people I know who walk *I* have the greatest distance. All my other friends drive to school or have about an 8-10 minute walk. Not too bad.

Oh, one note about your time-table when you start. You usually get one day a week off. I helps with getting homework done... although alot of people go into school anyways to work on things to go to life-drawng. First semester I had thursdays off, however this semester I have mondays. It's good when I have productive weekends... not so good when I don't.

[kennygeeze]

Anyone who has any tips for this situation would be really really helpful.

E-mail and admissions now and tell them what's going on... and then try to phone them when it's no longer Easter.

[kennygeeze]

But yeah, just some stuff to think about. Sorry if it sounds like i'm lecturing you guys here (really not my intention). I've just seen to many others forget about everything else once they're on a roll with their lifedrawings. Kenny, maybe you've seen it in your classes, there are people like that. it's like a damn obsession!

Yeah, I've noticed that. More than a few people in my former class dropped out of ideas and images, 2D design, 3D design, and/or imaging systems because they thought what they were doing was wasting their time.
Either that or they dropped one or all of those to spend more time on life-drawing.

[Red Mimic]

Hey Kenny, Do you know if the illustration course has one day off a week? I had one day off everyweek at georgian as well. I ended up having a permanent long weekend for an entire semester. The day off is also nice for those people who like to drink and club it up, I wouldnt know though myself, since I wasn't legal until the end of the school year.

Lots of nice stories after those days though :D

[kennygeeze]

All the people I currently know in illustration have one day off a week.
Two of them have fridays (I think) and the other... she has thursday off.

[endregan]

day off.. thats sweetttt

man sheridan is sounding so good.. but i still am not sure. i mean i will have to have a second opinion from students at ocad to really understand.

not to say sheridan wasnt my first choice anways though...

it is hard !!! i will have to find someone from ocad to see what they say :)

you guys have helped out a lot though!

[kennygeeze]

Endregan, where are you hoping on going after art fundamentals?

If I was in your shoes that's what I'd be considering. one of the main reasons why I took art fundamentals at sheridan was because I wanted to get into illustration at sheridan.

So, do you have any program in mind after AF?

[::EPIC::]

grr, still no word yet from access sheridan...did anyone else get word on their acceptance?

[endregan]

Kenny: hmmm after AF i have been considering illustration at sheridan, but I am not all that certain. I know I want to be a professional, but I just havent been exposed yet or really know what is involved yet.

I guess it does all come down to what I want to do with it..

I was thinking of going to an atelier for classical training, but I am not sure when how or where you know? Maybe after first year, but i want some sort of degree or something.

Not totally sure, but I definitly want to work in the industry sooner or later. Do you think going to an atelier is worth it or should I just go right for AF and illus??

[::EPIC::]

end, we're pretty much in the same boat when it comes to things. I went through the whole thought of training from an
atelier at a placed called MJAS, there are some old posts from me on this if you care to look on it. He seemed to be the prominant one. My reasonings to leaning to Sheridan, is because of the recognition they have as a school in Canada, and in the end of my course i would at the least have a transferable education, one that could be recognised by other institutions. An atelier i don't think can offer this, and with the time and moola invested could stear you in the wrong direction. At least that's my take, there have been 1 or 2 who have studied under ateliers in toronto and have good words to say, but none spoke of where it actually took them in life just to say they learned alot from the work.

Obviously time and money are important to you as with everyone and Sheridan would give you the most bang for your buck, in my opinion. Prove me wrong :)

[endregan]

Yeah I was wondering.

The ateliers for sure teach you a lot though, I mean look at anyone who goes there! MCM just started and is doing amazing!!

I think it trains your eye and enables you to teach after you completed the atelier, but as far as the industry I dont think it enables that.

However, I guess some people like teaching. I wouldnt mind it!!

I think my best bet is Sheridan, but I am still not exactly certain, as I hear about OCADS degree programs. Though yet again thats more about paper and u go to teachers college and teach art to kids, but I dont think I would like that.

But what about artists that went to Ocad like Dan Milligan and made it in the industry. He worked hard and he made it!

Maybe its just that Ocad is more relaxed and not as competitive so I hear?

I think I am leaning towards Sheridan now, we will see !!! :)

Thanks

[endregan]

Got a phone call tonight about coming to an open house...

apparently the guy said I got into both art fundies and illustration...

so uh yeah.

dunno if its a mistake but thats what he said is on file!!!

so strange i will have to double check

havent gotten the acceptance in the mail yet so wasnt sure, thought i was shafted.

will be getting it in the mail soon i supose if the guy wasnt playing a trick.

Now should i go into ILLO or not... O_O.

Am I ready? I dont think I am now, but maybe if I work really hard by the time the semester starts ill be up to par?

Do I want to take it and jump into the for year course without as much life drawing behind my belt?

What do you guys think...

Should I go for it or just take fundies to build up even more...

I dunno I may be ready?

[Hexal]

Congrats endregan, I got my acceptance letter thing in the mail for fundamentals(damn you guidance and screwing me for illustartion). I should be going to the open house too.

I think you should really think about which on to chose, maybe fundies is the way to go, now that i think about where i am I dont feel to bad about doing Fundmentals first,could i have gotten into illustartion? i have no clue, but id like to learn more fundmentals first i think(dont learn alot of thoses at my school for some reason)

anyways congrats:chug:

[endregan]

yeah thats what i was thinking...thanks hexal

build up skills especially in life drawing.

but maybe I dont need to... maybe if i work really hard, by the time the semester starts i may have a chance in illustration.

perhaps its the way to go, i mean instead of taking fundies when I dont necessarily have to or need to...

We will see. maybe the guy was wrong or read the file wrong or something...but hopefully not! will have to wait and see what the mail says haha.

what do you guys think?

[Red Mimic]

I called admissions today and found out they do have my transcript, BUT because I didn't take OACs in highschool i didn't meet the requirments. Damn degree program screwed me over because I only did what was needed 3 years ago before they changed it.

So now i'm still on a waiting list but I don't know what my chances are for that. And if I want to apply again I have to make up 4-5 courses at a learning center or I guess apply as a mature student.

What a fun day .........

[darth massacre]

Mimic: OUCH....apply as a mature student....get your portfolio up. Good luck!

I got a DHL package with the acceptance letter just today. Its sitting on my desk just as I came in from work...

Apparently I'm not good enough to get an Advanced Standing into yr 2. So its fundies all over again!!! :D

Still waiting from OCAD though. I'm leaning more towards OCAD because I'm applying for Industrial Design rather than Illustration. So if OCAD okays my application, I'm going there.

Anyway as an international student, Sheridan's tuition fees are "outstanding" and I've made the comparison....OCAD is definitely cheaper in the long run.

[Red Mimic]

Yeah I figured I will have to do that, what age do you have to be to do that? I hope I don't have to wait another year though. I already took this year off and I miss school. I might as well forget about ocad as well this year since no matter what my portfolio is, I don't have the right diploma.

As far as I know, my portfolio was good enough so I guess that's good to know.

[darth massacre]

As long as you're above 21. That's what I found out when I was applying to Sheridan. I was 25 when I applied.

[endregan]

anticipation of mail :)

[endregan]

AHHHHH I GOT IN !!!

WOOOOO

now to choose

illus at sher, foundations at sher, or foundations at ocad...

i dunno. if I can keep practicing and keep working hard I think illus is my best decision!!!

hey maybe i see u kenny hahah :)

awesome guys

How is everyone else , havent heard from a few :)?

[kennygeeze]

Congrats, Endregan.

Was your acceptance firm or conditional?

Just curious.

[::EPIC::]

congrats as well!

I on the other hand still have to wait for a reply from them. It's funny how people get details all messed, still have to wait another 10 days supposedly.

[Red Mimic]

That's great news endregan, and I think illustration is the best choice.

I'm still on the waiting list but I don't think that will matter. I don't even know how I can be on it if I'm missing OAC credits aren't up to snuff.

Maybe I'll apply to find out how I did on my portfolio. Has anyone else every applied to get that mark sheet?

[endregan]

Thanks guys!

Yeah its conditional as long as I get 65% avg and get my diploma. I believe thats more than doable, im doing well in school and will be getting my diploma in june.

Now to really make the final decision. I Mean its probably the chance of a lifetime right. I have to figure out if this is what I really want or not. I think it is.. but im still young and fresh. WIll have to make good decisions. choices arent the easiest thing for me but I will go with my gut!

Do you know how much life drawing and how illustration is set up kenny? I hear it is like you do first year , then u get to choose if u want to go technical or expressive or something like that. Man sounds awesome.

anyone going to the open house on apr 24?

[kennygeeze]

Thanks guys!

Yeah its conditional as long as I get 65% avg and get my diploma. I believe thats more than doable, im doing well in school and will be getting my diploma in june.

Now to really make the final decision. I Mean its probably the chance of a lifetime right. I have to figure out if this is what I really want or not. I think it is.. but im still young and fresh. WIll have to make good decisions. choices arent the easiest thing for me but I will go with my gut!

Do you know how much life drawing and how illustration is set up kenny? I hear it is like you do first year , then u get to choose if u want to go technical or expressive or something like that. Man sounds awesome.

anyone going to the open house on apr 24?

From my experiences this year illustration has X-life 7-10 nightly during the week and then a 3 or 4 hour sustained pose on the saturday afternoon. Not sure if there's more than that.

Since the start of the 4-year degree program, you have a common 1st year with all the illustration students and then for 2nd year you choose either interpretive or technical.

Interpretive's like book illustration, spot illustration, etc.

Technical is more to do with schematics, medical illustration, technical art, and they get to use airbrushes alot which is quite cool.

I'll be at the open house, yeah. Dunno for what and for how long, but I know some of my life-drawing is being displayed.
One of my 3D projects is also getting put up apparently, but it's pending final approval because it *could* be a fire-hazard. So I have to fix it up tonight.

[endregan]

Awesome, yeah illustration does sounds so good and it would be a crime for me not to take it.

I dont think I can make the open house, I work every weekend in the mornings, do you think I should go, or is it not all that important?

That sounds so good illustration... man I cant wait.

I will have to think about it a bit further but im pretty set!

Thanks for youre help btw Kenny I would be lost without you ;)

Congrats on the display! Wish I could see it

[nor]

I might be going to the Arts Open house this weekend.

Endregan: for your acceptance, did they look at only your average and portfolio? Did they stress the need for that University English? I'm beginning to think that I could possibly skip fundies straight into Animation or Illustration (leaning towards the former), but I will graduate with only (C) English.

I need to get some info about this because making this change would save me plenty of time and money.

[endregan]

Yeah just take Eng 4u1!!

its not so bad and hamlet is so fun :)

[walker]

Did anyone go to the Sheridan Open House (Oakville campus) on the weekend?

[kennygeeze]

I was there, yeah. Helped set up a bit of it too.

[Hexal]

I went to the open house. I thought it was really nice, I saw alot of cool things. Im very excited to be going next year.

[endregan]

ARr I missed it.

I was sick and had to work on top of that haha.

Man, oh well. What about orientation in the summer? :)

Im going to send my acceptance for illus soon!

[darth massacre]

Idiot...I am one big one....started a new thread when I wanted to click reply.


I got into Illustration instead of art fundies...firm admittance.....I sent my acceptance already but I'm still waiting for my first choice which is OCAD-Industrial design.

Besides being choice #1, OCAD is cheaper and I'd save Cd$30000 if OCAD decides to give me an advanced standing. That would really help me.

[kennygeeze]

Congrats Darth Massacre.

I was just wondering out of curiousity.... what did you submit in your portfolio? Did you have a sketchbook and numerous life-drawings?

Endregen, I took ALOT of photos of the open house. if you're interested I'll put them online in some sort of folder and you can go take a look at. They're only pictures of the fundamentals works and illustration .... but I guess that might be all you'd be interested in seeing anyways.

[darth massacre]

Thanks KG, I can't really remember all the things I put in, but it was a rush rush job because I had to work on a production that was rushing at the same time.

I did the 4 compulsory exercise over a period of 2 days.....pen sketches so it was a fast one. Read up on Glenn Vilppu's stuff before, so used most of his methods.

I had option A with my personal works and the stuff I do at my workplace. So there were loads of character concept artwork and mechanical concept artwork which were my own. I do location/set/props design at work so there are a good number of perspective drawings in the portfolio.

I tried to put in as much life drawings as possible in the sketchbook section....I was surprised how little of those I had. :( I don't exactly have a sketchbook. I use a hard cardboard as a base and clip my papers on top so I get to pick what I slot into the portfolio when a sketchbook display is needed.

At the end of the portfolio I had my 3 page résumé and my company's letter of recommendation.

I believe that's all. My OCAD portfolio submission was more detailed and organised due to a later deadline.

[House Gaijin Hokage]

Hah since I bitched admissions they changed my refuse admit to a conditional offer for september illustration, so as long as I take some courses in the summer im fine so im as good as in.

[endregan]

good to hear the good news guys!

Ill be seeing some of you realy soon :).

I gotta go apartment hunting soon.

my twin bro is coming for fundies :)

Any of you going to the orientation in the summer? Ill def make it to that!

Kenny - awesome man upload id love to see what went on there, for sure :)

[BigBoi]

Hey, if you want some more information from Sheridan students on the program there is a new forum up made by the Animation students. The url is litetable.com (I'll try to start a thread on it so that everyone can find out about it...great resource).

GOod luck with your schooling.

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah. fundies for me =) Hopefully I'll be able to put in a bit more time life drawing than my bro who will have loads of work piling on top of him muhahaha.

[softdrawer]

I applied for Bach in animation ( 4 years ) and i just received an envelope today with lots of stuff in it saying they accepted me and uber wanted me to go to sherdian next year so i was like, nice !...

Thing is... its about 10,000 $ / year to live there ( that's without food and transport ) + 900$ per Term ( i think )...comes back to about 5k / year im sure... = 15 x 4 years... thats like frikin 60,000 bucks for this course.

like its nice and evrything but... im not rich. :(

so im still thinking about it. i might stay here for a year or two, Or find a cheaper place to live than their campus. And its mostly full anyways. :o




:grumble:

[::EPIC::]

hey everyone, got a firm offer from Sheridan for fundies, now i just have to accept and get this underway come Sept!

w00t!

[endregan]

congrats :) see u in the fall

[endregan]

Has anyone found a place yet?

It is harder than I thought.. Im still looking around

Anyone know of a place that is close to Sheridan and has internet access and all that jazz?

Maybe if anyone else is looking around it might be affordable if a few of us got a townhouse or something like that.


I dunno well see! :)

[::EPIC::]

thanks endregan. I'm not even going to attempt looking for a place, im gonna wing it and drive in each day via 407 see how that plays out.

have you recieved your course schedual or timetable info yet, in my mailout it mentions it off the access sheridan site but i looked there and its basicaly empty.

[endregan]

Havent recieved anything yet, well see though they usually send out a welcome and that kind of thing.

the orientation is in the summer sometime

[WildSpruceMoose]

The schedules come out 2 weeks before term start. Hey, maybe I'll be in the same classes as you epic. Well, for sure we should get a concept art sketch group going if we have the time that is =D

[::EPIC::]

kool man, that would be a neat idea.. or if anything we can all make it to life drawin like crazy to keep on top of things

i won't be hard to spot i'm 6'4 with red hair, to whoever wants to say hey when school starts :)

[BrokenDesign]

My freind got into the art fundamentals program this year he had horrible marks and everythign his avg was crap. Art fundamentsls acepts anyone its also cheap about 2g a year. If any of you been ther eyou might know him his names Marcus, anyway yeah so he droped out cuz the course was pointless for him and so forth. He wanted to move into graphic design or computer animation (he has no skill set for either trust me)

Anyway yeah sheridan is an ok school i went there on the campus to walk around and well the art department has soem fukin ugly chiks. the buisness / cosmetic area is very very nice with chix. and its fun to insult the gay guy in the cosmetic clas.

If you apply to sheridan youll get in. Also transportation there is pretty easy take highway or a few bus's (form mississauga to sheridan takes about 1 hour if your slow and take ur tiem doing stuff.

[WildSpruceMoose]

Heh, yeah you almost made me cry about how everyone gets into fundamentals. Just kidding. Oh I'm aware of that, my portfolio unfortunately couldn't carry me into illustration, but now I have access to life drawing 7 days a week, or maybe its 5, I have instructors to assist me in artistic problems, and I can begin a small network.(rubs hands evilly) THEN I can apply for illustration again after a year of being fully immersed in art, and hopefully be accepted. Tuition only 2k? Better than I thought, I was so excited about getting in I had forgotten to check about that.

So, I plan to attend the open life drawing at least 2-3 times a week, depending on my other workload. I'll keep my eyes looking for a tall redheaded artist ;) When we get the class we can compare em and see what we have together maybe?

[Hexal]

Thankfully i found a house with my mom and a friend oh mine extremly close to sheridan(hopefully we can get it) like 5 min walking distance.


It would be cool to get together and have a sheridan conceptart thingy going down
:beer:

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah a little sketch group or just gather at the daily life drawing class. Should bring on a stronger sence of community, actually meeting the people you discuss art with online in a non creepy way =P Again, don't want it to get in the way of our studies so after we get our schedules maybe pass a few PMs around?

[endregan]

hex you are lucky to find a place so close.

I am still looking with Spruce for a place closeby!

[::EPIC::]

wild yup sounds like a plan, im just glad to be getting my life back on track, ive been in the working world too long :)

[darth massacre]

Hey hey, if OCAD rejects me, I'm with you guys! :D

[WildSpruceMoose]

Cool! I was applied to ocad, but when both acceptance letters came, decided it was best to go to the school I first wanted to go to(Sheridan) Good luck on ocad!

Yeah, don't get too happy with your current job. In less than 4 months you'll be drawing 24/7!

[BigBoi]

Originally posted by endregan
Hey thanks!

Yeah those numbers seem a bit low huh.

I wasnt ready for illustration anyways ;)

Foundations first! :)

Its to bad that the Art Fundamentals is no longer associated with the applied programs. Before special admissions was used to help prep kids for the workload of a full program, like animation or illustration.

....Hey, wraithdt, were you accepted?

[endregan]

Yeah that was before I found out I got into Illustration.

So what is fundies like now?

[BigBoi]

Fundies is a portfolio program. It gives you all of the things you need to submit a competitive portfolio. You have Life Drawing, 2D, 3D, Art History, Technical Drawing, Painting and I think that's about it...maybe one more, not sure.

It was good when it had the special admissions. You'd spend $2000, or whatever it was, and you'd get a portfolio, plus you'd probably get accepted into one of the programs like Animation or Illustration without having to apply with thousands of people. It was a nice easy in.

Its too bad its gone, but its good, because some people who got in through fundies wouldn't have been accepted via regular portfolio submition.

Congrats on Illustration....which one are you going to? Tech or Interp?

[endregan]

Well I am planning on interpretive, though I havent experienced any technical illustration yet. I am sure it is even more tedious than interpretive work can be, though I hear it pays far better, but what can I say I would rather enjoy myself.

Most likely interpretive!

I was planning on taking fundies originally but given the chance I went for Illus for sure.

Only hard part is getting enough money, finding a place to live, eating etc

haha :)

[darth massacre]

I'm going Technical if I land up in Sheridan. I realised after almost 2 years as a concept artist, that I lack that skill-set for technical drawing. And due to that, I was having problems with the 3D artists who needed the exact measurements to build the stuff.

But its OCAD Industrial design if nothing goes wrong.

AND WE SHOULD REALLY MEET UP WHEN WE'RE ALL THERE!

[WildSpruceMoose]

We'll try. I imagine my workload will be quite rigorous and if I find it not hard enough, I'll set ridiculous requirements for assignments and my own personal drawing time. We should be able to at least have a bi-weekly or monthly ca.org sketch meet somewhere in the Oakville/Toronto area.

I heard that because there are less classes in post secondary school(a good thing the way I like to learn now) we have much time when we would normally be in school to "study" or for artists sketch. Is this true? If so, we might be able to arrange a weekly meet. I am maybe getting a bit far ahead =) When we are into it a month or so, we should definetly set something up!

Anyone else going that is just lurking?

[Red Mimic]

Wow, I havent looked at this thread in awhile. Over a week ago I was officially taken off the waitin list and let in to Illustration. It surprised the hell outta me because i basically figured i was screwed with my academics missing 5 credits.

Now i'm going to be on a waiting list for residence so I think i'm gonna have to drive for awhile. The residence lottery deadline was may 17th, and thats the day I recieved my application....... Oh well.

Unless the universe decides to throw me another monkey wrench from here till September, I guess I'll be seein some of you people.

[kennygeeze]

Now i'm going to be on a waiting list for residence so I think i'm gonna have to drive for awhile. The residence lottery deadline was may 17th, and thats the day I recieved my application....... Oh well.

I wouldn't put too much faith in getting a room in the sheridan residence. There's only like.... 100 rooms available (or so I hear, but that's what it looks like from the outside too) When I applied (ontime) last year I was placed 300 on the waiting list... I know some people who were almost 500.

If you don't want to commute forever look for available spaces to rent... there's always sommeone looking for a room-mate or renting out their basement/recroom whatever.... and it's alot cheaper than sheridan residence usually too.

[BigBoi]

hey....umm....living off campus is not that expensive. If you move in with 3 other people to an apartment its only $300 per person. Even if you have to sign a 1 year contract, that's $3600. THere are also cheaper rooms in basement apartments for less than $300, and a lot of families will cut some more rent if you babysit their cihldren lol (not something i'd do).

But living ON campus is the MOST expensive living. Its only convenient.

[::EPIC::]

noop not for me, ill be doing to drivin thang, hopefully i'll have enough saved to pay off my credit card and cover tuition costs alone....*crosses fingers*

now if i could just finish my business personal income tax it'd be grrrrr8

[endregan]

I hope this weekend I can get down and search for a place...

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah bro, this weekend we search for a place =D I want to get settled into the apt as soon as possible to get things in order before term starts. Hope to see some of you guys there! Oh and congradulations on the illustration entrance Red Mimic ;)

[Red Mimic]

Thanks Moose.

I'm not sure what I;m doing but I was pretty sure it was hopeless anyways to get into residence. I'll figure it out.

[JJH]

Hey guys. I'm new here, I registered just to chat in this thread. I'm also going to Sheridan Fundies, in September. SO... HI PEOPLE! haha. What do you guys plan on studying after fundies? I'm aiming for animation but I have a feeling that I might get interested in studying Illustratoin because I like both animation and concept art.

edit: i called sheridan. i didn't get into residence. but i am 12th on the waiting list. muahahahha. and they told me that it is a very good chance to get in because lots of people drop out of their decision.

[walker]

Originally posted by Red Mimic
Wow, I havent looked at this thread in awhile. Over a week ago I was officially taken off the waitin list and let in to Illustration. It surprised the hell outta me because i basically figured i was screwed with my academics missing 5 credits.


How did you get into a bachelors program while missing highschool credits? I didn't know you could do that :eek:

[Red Mimic]

I have no clue. Someone on the phone told me that I had a good chance because I took a Art Fundamentals program at georgian. That was before I actually got in. Maybe it's because the first time I applied, my highschool credits met the old requirments and they gave me a break :D

BTW just got my waiting list number, its in the 600s. I better go househunting soon....

[endregan]

yeah mimic im looking tomorrow with my brother.

Ill tell you if I see anything good ;)

[walker]

I'm planning on entering the Bachelor Animation course for January and I wanted to look up something on the Sheridan site. But the site isn't opening for me. Is it just my connection or is the site having a down time?

And would it be better to take the Portoflio Dev for Animators before trying out for BAA? I started taking some of the courses for PorfolioDev part time, but I'm not sure if I should sign up the the rest of the courses and just get my certificate for it :confused:

[endregan]

Not sure but good luck. You find it out yet?

Anyone else coming aboard?

I finally found a place. Its a nice townhouse, 20 min walk from the school :). Itll be my brother and I with two other guys.

One of the guys name is Ken. Thatd be creepy if it was kennygeeze eh! :)

[kennygeeze]

Hey, endregen... that would be weird if it was the same Ken.

What's your landlord's name?

I ask because I live in a town-house somewhat the same distance from the school.

[endregan]

Her name is Kathy B.

That would be kinda ridiculous but awesome at the same time, small world kind of experience eh?

It has a floor with the kitchen and a huge drafting table and then 3 rooms upstairs and one in basement. Its in a nice residential area with huge trees and a ravine nearby

[kennygeeze]

yup, that's my landlord.

Heheh, small world indeed.

:chug:

Did you and your brother take the two rooms on the upstairs?

[endregan]

yeah man ! thats amazing....

When are you moving in and stuff?

I am working all summer but Ill probably come up and setup my room and move in later august...

Thats so cool!!! Haha who would have thought...! :)

[WildSpruceMoose]

Ha ha, that IS a very small world indeed. I guess we'll be roomies!

[carpal]

if sometime during the year you guys are looking to get rowdy, there is a house down by the mall that has a couple people living in it that made my year quite torturous.

crappy room-mates are satan.

so just say the word and you have a great house to cause as much reckless and un-needed personal misery to.

[Hexal]

congrats on finding places guys, i got a town house with my mom right beside sheridan its the brown ones one the left kind of.

[endregan]

.Pz you stuck in a poor living condition with careless people or something? That would be terrible! I dont think Id have the time to be reckless eh ;0

yeah hexal it is a relief to finally have somewhere to live. you sound pretty close to the school, awesome! when is the orientation anyways?

[Red Mimic]

One of you is a stalker :D

I am off to look for a place to live tomorrow, and then hopefully get one the next weekend when my dad comes up.


I don't know if i want a roomate. On one hand it might work out really well, on the other hand I can deal with being by myself and prefer it sometimes.
Plus if i get an ok place, my friends and I can finally go to Toronto to drink by bus rather than just Barrie.

I'm still waiting for my fees though and that is bothering me

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah, me and my brother tracked kenny down and decided to live with him, we stalk much =P Anyway see you fellas soon!

[softdrawer]

I'm still looking for a room. Well there's few places i should be calling and asking questions but i feel like i might be a bit too early. But then i read aboout it here on the forum and it's like i'm a bit late hah.

Anyway, is there anyone going for the Bach Animation ?... i'm in it. Just wondering if it's a big group. I guess ill be seeing any of you out there... or maybe not, Sheridan is big isnt it ?

alx

[kennygeeze]

Last year I moved in right at the end of august. I'm not sure when I'll be coming back this year as moving in shouldn't be that much of a hassle this time. :p
I'll probably work it like my former room-mate and show you the fastest way to get to sheridan *before* school starts.
The very first time I tried to find my way to sheridan I ended up walking in the opposite direction for 10 minutes .:eek:

Last year orientation was on august 26th, I believe.

Softdrawer, I remember my landlord saying how June was still somewhat early to come looking for a place... I know people who start looking even in August, but selection is apparently lousy by then.
There's about 100 people (give or take) in each year of the animation program as that's how many they accept each time.
About the same for illustration...

I'm not sure how many this year because I've heard that numbers are either *alot* more or *alot* less than usual. And apparently there's like a february intake or something... and I don't know how many people join up at that point.

[endregan]

Youre the best roomate ever I would probably get lost without you too haha.

Yeah I am not sure if me and my brother are going to rent a moving van because there is two times the stuff we have to move and we are a long way from the place! Most likely August for sure.

Does the school have exercise kind of things for all students that is included in tuition ? Just curious if there is like house league basketball or something like that, or groups like martial arts and such. I will have to look around :)

[softdrawer]

Thanks Kenny,

Yeah, well my father talked with some guy from Oakville the other day, and it seems he's just bought a new house and planning on renting rooms and such. Anyway, i might give him a call.

My second option is wait, since a friend of mine is passing by Oakville during summer, i'll give him the adresses i'm interested in so he can check them out to see what suites best.

100 people ?... that's quite a bit for an Animation program. Hope they got enough supply/hardware. But i bet they do, sheridan's got the handle of it.

thanks for the info again.

alx :chug:

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah renting a moving van seems the best route to take, moving 2 rooms etc. That'd be awesome if you could us the fastest route to sheridan as we will both be the hugest Oakville noobs =) Sounds like it is going to be a productive year kenny and I hear all high acclaims of you and your devotion/attitude!

[Red Mimic]

How far is your walk anyways?

A lot of the places on that Places4Students that I saw are so close to sheridan. Some you could almost hop the fence.

I applied to the Abbey Sobeys while I was down there, looks like i'll have to take the bus to get there since its far too long a walk.

[WildSpruceMoose]

From what we heard its 20 minutes or so by foot, 30 by bus, so its certainly within walking distance for three young strapping lads such as us =P
Yeah there are a lot of good options within walking distance, taking a bus kind of hurts the funds.

[softdrawer]

I was just thinking about how it works when we get there. Anyone is a veteran and would share info ?

Just like... classes, and all the bla that comes with it.

Thanks

alx

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah I haven't seen any official information on exact start dates/schedules/possible orientation week/etc. yet. I'm going to check my online status and see if there is anything there. In the mean time I could use some info from a veteran too =)

[kennygeeze]

Around mid-august your class schedule for first semester will get posted online. And if your experiences are anything like mine last year it will be changed 3-4 times before the first day of school.

I believe they also mail you a copy of you schedule with some other information but tell you to keep checking online for alterations.

Last year I believe school started second week of september (I think) on a Tuesday.
Orientation was on august 26th and they had various information sessions on your program AND obscure things like 'how to eat for the year on a mac-'n cheese budget, how to stay organized, etc'... and student union ran tours with a free barbeque lunch.

On the first day of school... whenever that happens to be you are just expected to show up to your first class that day of the week whenever that class happens to be.
So since school started on a tuesday last year I had a drawing class that went from 8 until 11.... and then I was done for the day. Other people had tuesday off so their first day was wednesday and some people's classes started at 3 so they didn't have to come in until the afternoon..

Not sure about illustration or animation, but as far as fundies is concerned you are put in a specific AF (or class)... so each of your courses (2D design, 3D, drawing, etc should have the same people in it) ANd then... you have a lecture class which is usually your AF with a few other AF's stuffed in the lecture hall.

Open lifedrawing sessions started a couple weeks after the first day (from what I remember) and fundies, illustration, and animation all have their own open life sessions.

If you try to go to one that's not yours there's a 50/50 chance you will get kicked out by another student. :p
Although I knew a guy in fundies who constantly boasted about atttending and being snuck into animation classes.... so I suppose it can be done. :p

Endregen and Moose... the walk to school (despite what the landlord said) is almost 30 minutes. The traffic lights in oakville are extremely slow, so if you don't have to wait at them that could significantly take like... 7 minutes off your trip. :p
Although depending on where you J-walk on Trafalger... it's a death trap :eek:

Endregen, you asked about physical activity and whatnot. I believe... membership to the gym is free or extremely cheap. There's like squash and other stuff too as well as varsity and intermural sports and things. One of my friends this past year, she would play hockey with the school teams on like.... thursday nights.

And... yeah....

[softdrawer]

awesome, thanks a bunch Kenny.

...Hopefully, i won't be seeing any math/english ever in my life... :rolleyes:

[kennygeeze]

Actually, I think you guys have something at least remotely similiar to an english class.

[endregan]

Nothing like some good exercise to start and end the day off eh :)

Cant wait. I just mailed off to pay for the first half of my tuition.

Now for all this OSAP business I have to deal with!!

[WildSpruceMoose]

Great! Thanks for all that information ken. Orientation week is a must or not because that could be the difference between a couple hundred extra bucks at work or not =)

Yeah I'm going to mail off the tuition fees tomorrow and next step is osap. Well 30min sounds reasonable, I'd say anything more would be too hefty. I guess heading to class 40min early isn't unheard of?

Thanks for the information again. I suppose I'll be seeing you soon.

-Pete

[kennygeeze]

Well, they say kids who go to orientation do something like 15% better acedemically than their peer counterparts who don't.... but I"ve never been able to make sense of that honestly.

Aside from what I already said about orientation, each progrm has their own information session during the afternoon. I can easily give you the gyst of anything they would have told you.... and stuff they can't tell you. :)

I learned 2 very important things that day though.

1. something like 80% of the people who take art fundamentals are shooting for either illustration or animation. There are usually 400 - 600 kids at the september start in fundies..... and..... about 100 seats available in illustration... same for animation. So as you can see the odds are pretty... difficult to conquer.

2. The art fundamentals program is huge... and by huge I'm referring to the student body. there is not a single room or hall in the school appropriately large enough to give you all information at the same time.... although they try :bash: The information session for AF had to of been the hottest most packed room I had been in since my middle school graduation ceremony.
They also accidentally locked their microphones in the podium so I could rarely hear what they were saying.

If you don't go it won't be detrimental to your year :p

Although I plan on attending the illustration orientation as I have no idea how important/ not important it is.

[WildSpruceMoose]

Very competitive at Sheridan I continue to hear =) Well thanks for the pros and cons of orientation. I suppose it would be a good idea to attend, just to help get my bearings down etc.

I heard something about courses thinning out because of competition and the works. Any validation on that? Having so many people fighting for spots in Illustration and Animation must make it stressful in fundies?

Anyway thanks again, you've been a great help.

-Pete

[::EPIC::]

hey guys, slowly getting my stuff in order here, should be bringing in my deferal fees this week:)

I was wondering about the elective in each semester, how do they go about that (what do you choose from), and when do they need to know your decision by?

[softdrawer]

Originally posted by endregan
Now for all this OSAP business I have to deal with!!


Oh, like what ?

Do we have to choose courses and stuff...or is it a fixed schedule ?

( maybe im just talking outta my *** :rolleyes: )

alx

[kennygeeze]

Well, my experiences about courses thinning out and whatnot were this. On the first day of school the teacher decided it would be fun if they went around the class and asked what programs people were hoping to go on into after art fundamentals.

Alot of people said animation, alot of people said illustration... however most people said illustration and animation. There may have been 1 or 2 hoping to go into media arts or make-up design.... something like that. 30 people or so in the class at the beginning....

You'll find throughout the year lots of people will continue to say that, but some look at how much work it takes or get a really insulting critique from a teacher and begin to settle for less....

My second semester class only 2 other people out of 25 besides me made it into illustration. Laster on a couple more people got put on the wait list and got in.

I found classes thinned out quite a bit... not right away though. There were so many drops in my first semester class that they decided to break us up around christmas and distribute us among the other AF's.
Other people may not drop but you'll find certain courses people will skip alot -- especially less popular ones like 2D design, 3D, and ideas and images. Some people loved those classes though -- I really liked ideas and images.

Basically I foudn that the people who didn't want to be there were there quite alot at first... and then after a while not so much.
Some of them came back at the very end to make one last ditch effort to pass their year.

You don't get to pick electives in art fundamentals... at lleast I didn't. I think they took them out like 2 years ago or something....

[softdrawer]

hmm... i see. Well thanks again for the info.

I've got 4 years for my Bach in Ani. Guess i'll be moving quite a bit then heh. :rolleyes:

[darth massacre]

Hey folks. Looks like I'll be seeing you guys soon. :D

I'm a bit late on things....might need some help on information for housing.

[::EPIC::]

well maybe its back in, take a peek here link (http://artfund.sheridaninstitute.ca/progmap.html)

falls under a GNED now, i think they renamed it, but times for choosing things like this isn't mentioned...

[kennygeeze]

Yeah, that exact same thing happened last year to me. Even by the second week of school everyone was still like... "so... uh.... when do we get to pick our elective"

Unless they were actually organized this year, your elective will be ideas and images.... an informal art history, psychology, history, political analysis, literature course that you get to draw stuff in. Fun no? It's like the elective you don't get to choose.... that's how a teacher explained it to me. :rolleyes:

If you do have to choose something... I recall my friend in early childhood education had to choose her electives late august... they sent something in the mail. :)

[::EPIC::]

thanks kenny, its good to know they Sheridan has it all 'under advisement' lol... well as long as it's not oral im fine, i HATE presentations with a passion....and by now im sure its a disability lmao

Guess all i do is wait 'n see, hmmm now for OSAP *gulp*