Sheridan Information Please!

[Sanby]

Wildsprucemoose: can you fill me in on the bit about the sketchbook?

And, if anyone else has more portfolio information then can you fill us all in, I know it would be super helpful to me atleast. The way I understand it is that 2 weeks from whenever, they send out portfolio requirements. And then you have to submit those plus some original work. Have I got that right. Someone set me straight now before I fuck it up a lot closer too.

Sanby

[Taj]

2 weeks is really short!


Wildsprucemoose - What program are you in?

[Taj]

2 weeks is really short!


Wildsprucemoose - What program are you in?

[Artistic Suicide]

NO WONDER I HAVEN'T GOTTEN BACK ANY OF MY ASSIGNMENTS!!!

lol, that happened to you too, Darth? Heh, back when they were having that gallery show for the fundies students, I couldn't find any of my stuff. I dropped by the AA-Wing one night and found, like, six of my pieces there. Come to think of it, they're all still MIA. Anyone know what happened to those pieces that were in the show?

I might write up some more portfolio info later. Those sessions I went to must've been good for something, after all.

~Blaine

[WildSpruceMoose]

1st year illustration, Taj.

Sanby, I was just talking to arghmisfit a couple weeks ago about how much importance the faculty members who review portfolios put on sketchbooks. I don't know about animation's importance on sketchbooks, but the illustration reviwers love to see people's thought process and rough work. I delivered mine in person, so I tossed in 2 sketchbooks, 100 pages in each of various hand studies, anatomy studies, self portraits-- really minimal doodles and fantasy work. Since he's mailing his portfolio and making prints we were just talking about him stapling or paper clipping like 50 photocopies/scanned sketchbook pages he liked. 50 is just an arbitrary number that shows you made an effort to include your sketches and show your a sketchbook fiend.

It was suggested to me by my roommate last year to start a sketchbook during christmas break and keep filling it up until it was time to hand in my portfolio. That seemed to work nicely; I got 2 sketchbooks done and they showed enough progression I decided the morning of to put both in my portfolio. My painting wasn't spectacular, and my drawings and drawing test were the best pencil works I'd done at the time, but they weren't incredible. Illustration puts a lot of importance on sketchbooks--- can't say the same for animation as I'm not in that program...so if you are applying to animation this has just been a long post I wrote up to avoid doing object drawing homework =P

Again, goodluck everyone.

EDIT: P.S. I'm not sure about that whole 2 week thing. I remember my teacher mentioning to animation hopefuls about that in fundies last year...but I can't say for sure, sorry :/

[Sanby]

Thanks for that info man, it's super helpful. I tend to draw often on loose sheets of paper, but I'm gong to put everything in my sketchbook from now on. Well, as much as I can.

Sanby

[Taj]

Ok guys, i applied to Sheridan, but i have 2 spots left and i dont care where i apply what other colleges chould i apply for just to fill up space?


Do you guys think i should bring an old sketchbook (no more then maybe 2 years just to show progression, or only bring my A-game?

[endregan]

just for fun apply to ocads program. u have to do a portfolio interview in person with them though.

umm u MIGHT want to show progression, but only if its relevant and CLEAR that its old stuff otherwise they may judge you based on flipping through and be like what the ?? I would show my most recent stuff as they only spend so much time so what they see should be quality.

yeah and speaking of open house. Thanks to that last year some of my stuff was thrown out. Thats pretty much the last time i allow to have it up lol.

basically...at the end of the year...some geniuses thought..hey why not make a giant unorganized pile of students work on a desk that is 50 pounds of paper and have them sort through it and then throw it out after a couple months. Good luck with that it would take hours to find anything so noone gets it...not worth it. I think I found 2 pieces out of probably 10-15 I estimate I didnt get back. That is a pet peeve of mine I think they should at least sort by year or even class in a neat organizer...

[darth massacre]

LOL. I didn't even bother to take mine back.

[its_crawford]

WAAA first post!!!! ive been a lurker for SOOO sOOOO long

anyways..
i was just accepted to sheridan a few weeks ago and im going to start the fundies course in oakville january 9th. im moving to oakville on the first from brantford (so boring...). im really really intersted in the bachelor of applied arts illustration course and im EXTRRRREEEEEMLY nervous right now (never live away from home, couldnt get osap, family wont pay for anything :S)

id love to hear what people think of the school, what theyre taking and how helpfull the courses really are...

im on msn quite a bit too so feel free to add me if you want.... its_crawford @ hotmail . com...

furthermore on the last page i saw someone mentioning samurai cowboys....shaolin cowboy is fuckign insane. FUCKING INSANE geof darrows is a god damn beast...jaw dropping..... im also huge on seth fisher, moebius, katsuya Terada, george bess, otomo (just to give you guys an idea)

[Lone Wolf]

its_crawford- Hey man, I took fundies about two years ago. And then i went straight to freelancing, don't think that it a was a easy transition. Anyways, if you want to get into illustration, GO TO EXTRA LIFE DRAWING! Do as much life drawing as sheridan will alllow. Teacher's will notice you if your there a lot, and make note. You also have to get good grades and have great attendance.

A lot people think that becuase there in fundies, the can go straight to illustration easily, that's not the case.

Two years ago, you could get into illustration if you we're getting a 80% in fundies or higher, now you need to submit a portfolio.

Just remember work hard, if this is your first year in college don't do to much partying, a lot of people I know use the first year to party and flunk, and then go back next year to finish.

Remember to go to EXTRA LIFE DRAWING!!! & KEEP A SKECTHBOOK.

The best think to do is to start a skecthbook at the beginnig of the year and finish at the end, or two depending on how much you draw.

If you do this you'll get in. It's a lot of hard work, but that's the illustrator's life.

Later

Mack

[its_crawford]

awesome. how often are there extra life drawing classes and where abouts are they usually? like thats actually one of the reasons why i even want to go to school. i usually have to walk around crappy old brantford and find a large group of people and randomly pick a person to draw and hope to god they dont move to much. other than that for the past year ive been looking at allot of anatomy books (and websites..)

oh and im not totally sure if this is a dumb question but is there much written work? (ie. essays, critiques and all that junk)

[alxcote]

awesome. how often are there extra life drawing classes and where abouts are they usually? like thats actually one of the reasons why i even want to go to school. i usually have to walk around crappy old brantford and find a large group of people and randomly pick a person to draw and hope to god they dont move to much. other than that for the past year ive been looking at allot of anatomy books (and websites..)

oh and im not totally sure if this is a dumb question but is there much written work? (ie. essays, critiques and all that junk)


life drawing is everywhere and everyday. follow the horde of sheridan zombie life drawing disciples and you will find your home.

...also you get "written work" in your electives...which are english or history classes mostly... sometimes psychology and the shite of the genre. ...it's all really a big pile of steaming shit when you look at the big picture and you're right in it with your money.

good luck sweetheart,

alx

[its_crawford]

...it's all really a big pile of steaming shit when you look at the big picture and you're right in it with your money.
damn. i just hate wasting time on stuff that really wont help me in the long run, meh at least ill keep me busy :S

[endregan]

yeah the school of sociology and liberal arts classes arent what I would call fun but theyre not too bad if you put in some effort. You do learn some stuff that might be important but for the most part your just doing it because you have to.

Seriously though if you want to do good its a lot of extra work on top of all the stuff your doing.

[its_crawford]

blast. meh oh well. ok im right now just about to put down my first payment for school

i was accepted a few weeks ago and my parents had to remortgage our house so they could cosign for a bank loan cause i coudnt get osap but the regestrars office said theyd hold my seat (because i allready have a place to live)

:s

anyways does anyone know what the next step is? when i pay am i automatically signed up for a bunch of classes? or do i have to sign up for classes or something. im completly lost and the two people i know who took the course disapeared (literally! noone knows where they are!!)

any info here would help me alllot

[purb36]

hey yall, just put down the payment for the application, so here's hoping. to all yall internationals, did yall run into any problems during the application process, be it troubles with sending/receiving forms, or portfolio stuff, etc? ill be sending stuff from japan so im just wondering what i should take extra special care with. thx, and good luck to all you other applicants.

[Cinsev]

AH! finally the long awaited and deserved sheridan holiday break arrives! and i breath a sigh of relief. how did everybody else's last week go?

[darth massacre]

The last week of school went extremely well with most work done on time or slightly before. No rush, only smooth sailing. Parties I went to sucked though....I'm going to the parties Endregan goes to next time. :dur:


@Purb - There shouldn't be any problems with your application. You will need to start gathering your artwork if you have any, and make copies of them. If its too big, use your digital camera and print then it out. International students only need to send copies, not originals, because you will not be getting them back. You'll also recieve by email or snail mail (or both) the portfolio requirements list for either Animation or Illustration programs (I'm assuming you're going for those). Different programs have different requirements, but the central focus for both is on life drawing + perspectives (more so on life drawng). IIRC portfolio submission would be early Feb every year. You'll know by late April or early May whether you have been accepted. So its plenty of time to prepare for the September semester.

[Cinsev]

my last week went well if somewhat over whelming with workloady-ness. i was all about hitting some of the aprties after i finished work that night but on ym way down everybody was telling me they were all lame anyway so i just went home and chilled. which was actually pretty solid.

[endregan]

yeah, break? this is time for stuff you couldnt do when you were in school :D.

enjoy guys, sleeping in is awesome

Go make a snowman already, what you waiting for ?

[purb36]

darth - thx for the info dude. does the copying/printing apply to sketchbooks too? would we not get those back? or would they treat those differently and send them back, being that they are our personal sketchbooks? sorry to bother, if i bother.

have a happy winter vacation everypeoples.

[Cinsev]

endregan: sleeping in is the best idea man ever came up with! and i have been taking full advantage of it :D hope you have too........


happy holidays and merry christmas to all you fellow sheridanites out there.....

[its_crawford]

woa im moving to oakville today....what do people do there for fun anyways?

[Cinsev]

well, i have lived here for about the last 15 years and i still couldnt tell you ....

[darth massacre]

darth - thx for the info dude. does the copying/printing apply to sketchbooks too? would we not get those back? or would they treat those differently and send them back, being that they are our personal sketchbooks? sorry to bother, if i bother.
I wouldn't suggest sending in your original sketchbook. I sent about 20 pieces of the best in my sketchbook. Found a place where they could reproduce the sketches nicely retaining all the tonal values (or at least very close to). That should be more than enough but remember the sketchbook is the final item. You should have 14-15 pieces of completed work before the sketchbook.



Oakville is great! Great for retirement :tihi:

[Taj]

I keep hearing OCAD is more of a conceptual school then Sheridan (I really want to go to Sherida), can anyone give me some information regarding this?

Also can someone from sheridan pop by my sketchbook and tell me how it looks, Personally i hate it and have already started on a new one. Oh, and since I'm applying to Animation, Alex, can you give me some tips and junk to what they like?

[Taj]

Where at sheridan exactley do I drop off my "Drop Off form"? I don't remember seeing an office anywhere.

[darth massacre]

Go to A100 and ask if all else fails.


Edit: @Taj...
I think you can stop doing faces already....you're pretty good at it from what I can see and its time to pick up drawing the full figure and on your perspective/depth perception. Your stuff is looking pretty decent for folks around your age group, especially so for your face studies. Once you strengthen the other aspects it'll be easy to pick things up. Take the crits on your sketchbook thread seriously. There are some good advice given to you.

[thomasaurus]

In regards to the Drop-Off form, is mailing it a no?

(gets ready to dash to mailbox)

[endregan]

you can mail it in, thats how i sent mine in because its a big hassle to get to oakville from where i live

[arghmisfit]

anybody know what the portfolio deadline is...? i couldnt find it on the site ... :P

any of you applying to other schools in canada? besides ocad

im applying to ACAD and sheridan

[Kdeezy]

Howdy Do ,


As it is i have applied to sheridan for animation as well as art fundimentals, but i am seriously stressing out over the portfolio... i dunno what they are expecting skill wise, i always have the idea that they (the school) are expecting well greatness right off the bat but i know that isnt the case.

But anyways adding to the stress of that i am also very deterred as to any mistakes i might make with the actual presentation...... so onto my question... i dont wanna screw up on little things that can be easily avoided .... ok

for the first part of the portfolio.. the life drawings, is shading allowed? it doesnt specify but should i shade it in if it doesnt or leave it as is?

For the 5 personal drawings i want to submit paintings done in PS and painter but they arent realistic or anything, more sci-fi / fantasy can i do that?

Man am i stressing out over this, i guess i should be.

if you guys that have already gotten in to the school dont mind looking over a couple of my drawings/paintings that i have up and gimme ur opinion on them and where they stand.

They are up on my MSN my space thing, so sorry about that i just never post up my works.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/kpamirsartandcrap/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c02_owner=1&_c=

thanks and hopefully ill see you guys in a year :D


PS. uh i think the portfolio deadline is feb 26/27 atleast thats what i gathered from lookin @ their PDF file.

[Cinsev]

well from these two paintings i would say that it looks like your chances of getting in arent bad. But they are only two rather finished looking pieces. Personally i would say you cant really use that painting of a woman as a life drawing work probably you should use it as one of your 5 personals.

the life drawings they want have to be quick gestural drawings with no shading that depict volume based on line alone. and its always best to do new ones since it is likely that you have improved since the last time you did some lifedrawing provided you draw alot :). trust me they are very picky about this. this and perspective that is.

the sci-fi layout would be fine, its pretty non specific in its subject matter. If i remember correctly they are more concerned with not allowing things like sexist depictions of men or women, no "tatoo art" and no comic book art.

one piece of advice, dont leave the portfolio until the last minute, do as much as you can now and then show it to as many people as you can that have given you good art advice in the past. if they say fix something, seriously consider fixing it. last year i had tons of people coming to my desk and asking for my advice saying "can you help me with my portfolio" i say sure and then look at it and almost cry or laugh when i asked how long they had been working on it and the answer was almost universally "i just started it" and then "i dont have time to fix it" which leaves me thinking then why did you ask me to look at it? just to say you are fantastic and you are getting in with a pat on the head? :p dont be these people.

anyway i hope this helps :)

Good Luck

[dguy]

Hi, can anyone point me to the PDF files that specifies details about the portfolio for the Animation program? Thanks.

[Kdeezy]

Cinsev, thanks alot for the input, i definetly will not be used that painting of the woman as one of my entries for the figure drawings. Those were the only 2 things i had online so i linnked them.

dguy, if u go to ur accesssheridan account and into the OASIS program thing, then

click on

SA self service> Learner Services > Admissions > View Application Status

u should get to the PDF file.

[Sanby]

I am starting to work on my portfolio as well. Animation and Illustration, leaning towards animation though. I heard from someone in the Animation program that they really don't want rendering on anything and they are interested about linework. So if anyone has some information or experience regarding this, and portfolios in general, please let me in on it.

And for the life drawing part, does it matter what medium is used? Meaning, are they looking for specificaly charcoal or can I do it in anything? I really like to use blue Faber-Castells.

Cinsev: That's a really helpful post man, thanks a lot. I am going to take advantage of ding it early and showing it to people.

I am also curious how to set up my portfolio. I have never done this so I am unsure what is acceptable. Do I get a portfolio case and then put lose drawings in there? Or should I be mounting them first or what?

Whatever I end up in next year, I am stoked. BTW, if I don't end up in res, where should I look for a place and is anyone looking for a roommate?

Ok, just thought of another question. How does the portfolio evaluation day work? Do you go drop your portfolio off and then hang around until pickup or what? If thats the case it might my cool to have people drop off at te same time and then have a little CA get together.



Sanby

[Cinsev]

Kdeezy: i still would use that woman painting as one of your own personal 5 pieces unless there is something better.

Sanby: the question you have about the line drawings over rendered work is true. just use line to describe the volume of your subjects. as for the over all medium to use it really dosent matter. i used a brush pen on mine, but the blue faber castell is a blue eraseable pencil isnt it? if it is dont use that, they reproduce poorly and they dont have a great thick to think "feel" when you draw unless you go over them alot. PERSONALLY i wouldnt use it but of course use what makes you comfortable.

When setting up your portfolio just goto a local art shop and get one of those plastic books that will hold 8 1/2 x 11 pages (i assume that they still want work that size) then makes sure your copies or originals *wince* are in the book and are nice and clear and clean and in the order of the portfolio requirements. if you have anything that is smaller than the 81/2 x 11 then get some canson that is 8x11 and mount that piece on that and put it in.they DO pay attention to all of this. and each protfolio only gets about 2 minutes when they look at them. they FLY through them since they have hundreds and hundreds to do.

for my portfolio i used this http://www.misterart.com/store/view/001/group_id/2200/Itoya-Art-Profolio-Storage-Display-Book.htm
its professional while still very portable. (oh and remember to take the barcode and sales stuff off too ;))

make it as easy as possible for them to look at and get what they need from your portfolio.

and this is for all the new applicants. look closely at your work. and be HONEST with yourself alot of times artist will lie to themselves without realizing it and say "this is really good its just as good as that *pointing to the mona lisa*" try to be honest, you will push yourself harder and notice what is wrong alot faster. if you already know it isnt very good dont go looking for a second opinion just redo it. if you arent sure then post it here, im sure there are lots of us sheridanites that will be happy to help you :) but dont kill yourself with stress either, i mean you are on a deadline so basicly near the end you may have to sacrfice some drawings ......its all about balance. abd it only gets more intense when you are in the program.

more good luck spirnkled liberally on this threads artusts

hope this helps :)

[Kdeezy]

Speaking of the portfolio, i have some drawings that are fairly large, 18+ x 30+ incheas in size, and im wondering should i use say a big portfolio and for everything or should i use the big one + a smaller one for everything else.


Might sound like a stupid question but could someone clear this up for me please.


thanks.

[Sanby]

Ok, thanks for all the advice again. I am driving my portfolio in, not mailing, so should I still copy everything? For stuff like lifedrawing, should it also be only 8.5x11?

Sanby

[Taj]

I am driving my portfolio in, not mailing, so should I still copy everything? For stuff like lifedrawing, should it also be only 8.5x11?
Cool, im driving my portfolio in and was wondering if i should make copys..I dont want to.

I would also like to know about the life drawings because i find it hard to draw on small paper with charcoal, i do like my brush pens though. Oh, and how detailed should they be? do they want quick gestures or lines, maybe even some rendering?

[Cinsev]

lol, oh man. i have opened up a pretty intense can o worms here. i cant be sure of these questions becasue i dont have the portfolio requirements. when i did my protfolio two years ago, it all had to be 8.5x11 and in a binder or something like that. and bigger pics they wanted prints of or smaller scanned copies. just like with larger lifedrawing, you can draw large but then scan it on your pc or mac and put it together "jigsaw like" in photoshop and then print that. but since i dont have a copy of those requirements im going on old info.

as to the originals vs. copies. this is just a good habit to get into since if you send your originals and they get lost then you have to do the whole portfolio over again. and trust me portfolios have been lost, stolen, left to see the world, travlleing the ethereal plain whatever....and those people who didnt have copies were either out of luck or had to do the whole thing over again. so its up to you a few minutes of extra work and protect yourself or ignore it and possibly lose your stuff.

just my two bits.

[WildSpruceMoose]

I "drove" my portfolio in last year and brought originals, large canavses etc. no problem. Its only mail-ins that you should make copies and make them 8.5x11" I think anyway. There'd be no objections to having a small 8.5x11" portfolio of copies, even if you drop it off-- heck that is probably easier for the reviewers anyway and might score you some points. I'd check the portfolio letter over again, when are the portfolios due in by this year anyway? If you deliver your portfolio in person you drop it off at 8am or 9am and pick it up later in the afternoon at like 3pm or 4pm same day, so originals SHOULD be safe. Still all your work should fit in a single portfolio case, even if its large. Organize your work as much as possible to fit the description layed out in the portfolio requirements letter, with the drawing test clearly labeled and infront of everything. Try to submit your work as early as possible, it always helps to be the first out of thousands. (I don't know about you animation hopefuls, your portfolio process is a bit different from illustration.)

[Taj]

I bought 9 x 12, will they not like it if i hand in 8x11s in a 9x12 portfolio?

[Sanby]

Can't you mount the 8.5x11's on something that is 9x12 and then just put it in. That way they will look nice and won't float around in there.

Sanby

[darth massacre]

as to the originals vs. copies. this is just a good habit to get into since if you send your originals and they get lost then you have to do the whole portfolio over again. and trust me portfolios have been lost, stolen, left to see the world, travlleing the ethereal plain whatever....and those people who didnt have copies were either out of luck or had to do the whole thing over again. so its up to you a few minutes of extra work and protect yourself or ignore it and possibly lose your stuff.
@Cinsev, I've heard rumours of a "portfolio" room :teeth: Which is basically a room filled to the brim with student portfolios, usually brilliant work, that never seem to get to see the light of day. I hear it goes back as far as 1997 LOL. If you guys sent originals and don't get it back then its very likely they went there. The school keeps an archive (or so they tell me) but the teachers never have any time to sort things out so they get piled up. Personally I've not seen the room even though I've completed my 3rd semester but I hear it often enough to think it might not be an unfounded rumour.

@Cinsev again....which program are you in?

Sanby's idea is good. Mount your work on black coverstock (spray on mount only, don't use rubber cement or it'll ruin your work). It looks more professional and won't slide around in the 9X12 pocket. I submitted my portfolio on an A4 (that's 29.7x21cm) and they didn't throw it out, so I guess the dimensions doesn't really matter.

Good luck to everyone.....School starts again in less than 48 hours.....here we go again.

[Cinsev]

Darth massacre : hey yeah i have heard of that mythical room but i have never seen it either. weather or not its true i have no idea.

as to the program inquiry im currently in animation year two. yourself?

[alxcote]

allo

i'm happy school is back.. i have to be productive again.

i got my plane tomorow, i leave from quebec city to oakville. we'll see if the plane can hold up for the ride.

Anyone know if we can rent some video cameras at school somewhere?

good luck for next semester everyone!

alx

[alxcote]

1,300th post



i win

[Taj]

Oh no Alex that's pretty unlucky! better pull up those socks this term!

Post some new stuff on your site!

[darth massacre]

@Cinsev....I'm in Tech Illustration Yr2 and I know Alex the troubleseeker too :D

[Taj]

Just thought I'd express how much i hate these guys, how am i supposed to put these jerks in frontal!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/tajn/Jerks.jpg

[endregan]

i dont even want to know what your going to use the video cameras for alex... haha


good to be back, i mean it is oakville and theres not much here but the schools here and torontos not that far away. hells yeah

[Sanby]

You'r supposed to create your own characters, aren't you? I though those were examples. Am I missing something?

Sanby

[Taj]

For the four panal thing with the box and junk, you use them, one of them.

[its_crawford]

hey folks! if anyones online at this time, tomorrows my first day and i was wondering what the hell do we bring to class :S ahaha

i have 3d design tomorrow (im a fundimentals student) at 11 am ....and theres next to no lockers so draggin my entire kit around would suck...its like 50 pounds

[alxcote]

Oh no Alex that's pretty unlucky! better pull up those socks this term!

Post some new stuff on your site!

nah my plane did not crash...not even a little shrug of turbulence.. :(

...and i will put stuff on my site. i'm just too busy dancing with the flies right now. ill put up some new sketches , maybe a digital and another short film in 3 months haha!

i dont even want to know what your going to use the video cameras for alex... haha


Well.. actualy, do you happen to have a cowboy hat and cowboy boots? i really need some ASAP. i got the coat.

[purb36]

got my portfolio requirements today (finally!...and i think theyre actually exactly the same as last years; go figure). now to begin...

good luck with term, apps.
:cheerleader:

[Hexal]

so ahh....looking to buy the psych text book. 50 bucks!! 50 BUCKS!!! let me know it anyone has one and wants to sell it D: *looking in darth massacre direction*

[endregan]

alex i actually do have a cowboy hat but i cant get it till reading week for you if you actually need it haha.

hexal - that book was like 70 bucks or more man its such a rip eh? And I just handed it to my brother. Lucky!

[alxcote]

alex i actually do have a cowboy hat but i cant get it till reading week for you if you actually need it haha.


i actualy went to the "acting" program at our school and they got the set haha.. im renting the damn thing for a week. and my friend has a video camera so im set. :confident

thanks neways

[Hexal]

[QUOTE=endregan
hexal - that book was like 70 bucks or more man its such a rip eh? And I just handed it to my brother. Lucky![/QUOTE]


that would be 79.95 new....50 BUCKS A USED BOOK! LOOKING FOR A BOOK FOR 50 BUCKS!! RIGHT HERE!

[darth massacre]

Hey I thought we had a deal earlier today?! :D

I have 2 copies. Lemme know ASAP.

[Hexal]

lol we do have a deal, i was just coving my grounds D:

Whats your clases liek tomorrow, we can meet up, and i got someone for the second copy.

i got class from 9-3 so let me know, when we can meet up


Thanks :D

[darth massacre]

I have classes until 11am on Wednesday. I'll be on a class field trip at 12pm. Lemme know where we can "deal" :D I'll bring the books tomorrow if its alright.

[Taj]

OCAD interview process = the suck, worst system EVER, its all online and junk. I really dont want to go their anymore, I mean they dont even have a gym :$, Does anyone know how i can get a refund on my university application?

[Sanby]

You can't. Besides, that fee is good for 5 schools so you can't refund part of it.

Hey, just curious when you guys got your acceptance letters. Not getting ancy or anything, it's still really early for that, I'm just wondering when I can start get excited/worried. Plus a bunch of friends have gotten offers to universities, and I thought that was kind of early.

Sanby

[Taj]

You can't. Besides, that fee is good for 5 schools so you can't refund part of it.

Hey, just curious when you guys got your acceptance letters. Not getting ancy or anything, it's still really early for that, I'm just wondering when I can start get excited/worried. Plus a bunch of friends have gotten offers to universities, and I thought that was kind of early.

Sanby
No OCAD is considered a University so if any in the past cancelled a university payment Id like to know how

[Sanby]

Really? I didn't know that. Anyway, I still think you can't get your money back, though I may be wrong.

Sanby

[Taj]

Oh well, i onyl applied to Drawing And Painting because Wes900 took the same stuff. Yeah I'm a tool :p.

[Hexal]

I have classes until 11am on Wednesday. I'll be on a class field trip at 12pm. Lemme know where we can "deal" :D I'll bring the books tomorrow if its alright.

hmm, ill be in class, computers so i dont know if i can get out, but, ill try and meet you at your locker say 11ish, hopefully i can get there. if not, well see when else i we can deal....so dont stick around for to long, like 11:10, if im not there im not coming.



EDIT:

I have a room in my house that is for rent right now... if anyone currently needs a room, its a very nice room, my house is nice, 5 min walk to school. The guy that was in there before left after promising he would stay the year...bastard.....so yeah...just thought i would put that out there.

[Sanby]

I have a room in my house that is for rent right now... if anyone currently needs a room, its a very nice room, my house is nice, 5 min walk to school. The guy that was in there before left after promising he would stay the year...bastard.....so yeah...just thought i would put that out there.

Well, I won't be there until September but I will need a room. I'm just curious how much you rent it out for, and if it is possible that it will be available in September. Just to be clear, I'm not asking with the thinking that I will be staying there, I want to get a feel for what is available in Oakville.

Sanby

[darth massacre]

Heh....coincidentally my apartment also will have a room to let out by May. But of course its a 12 month lease so whoever's interested will still have to pay for it over summer.

My place is a little further from school but along the same area as Hexal's house. About 15 mins walk (5 mins or less if you ride a bike). You won't get to live with Hexal, but at least there's Endregan, Sprucemoose and me to bug whoever's interested.

Any interested parties lemme know.

[Hexal]

well we are looking for right now, i might already have a guy lined up for sept, but ill let you know come sept just incase.

Edit: Thanks for the books Darth :D

[Taj]

Can you guys check out my Sketchbook, I'm trying to get my work done for my portfolio and any critics would be very much appreciated!

[darth massacre]

@Hexal- No dude....Thank you! I wouldn't have known what to do with those 2 textbooks. Hopefully you guys can resell it AGAIN to the next first year students in September :P


@Taj- I think Kronos and Magicman said most of what could be said. Work on the proportions dude.

[DRAM]

wow, i wish i would've found this thread sooner. i'm in first year illustration at sheridan, adn it's cool to find other people from the same program on CA. (just who is in 1st yr. illustration here, anyways?)

anyways. i suppose i could answer questions and stuff, if anyone has anything to ask.

[Artistic Suicide]

Hey guys,

I'm having a little trouble deciding which program to go into--the choices being animation vs. illustration(Interpretive). I'm planning on applying to both, but when it comes down to it, i'm not sure which one I'd be better off in.

For some background information: I'm mainly self-taught and currently in the Art Fundies(regular) program.
My interests lie mainly in character and concept design.

My most notable skills are probably that I sketch fast, I can generate some great ideas, my brain is wired to look at things in 3-D(high spatial ability), and my life drawing skills are pretty solid. Also, i'm a storyteller at heart and I can usually get pretty involved in details(on costumes, etc).

My weaknesses at the moment are probably settings(not to be confused with backgrounds), colour, and rarely finishing a pic(think DaVinci)...mostly for the previous reasons.

Just for interests sake, high fantasy is my genre of choice. I'd probably like to be a concept designer for fantasy RPG's or something similar.

As you can probably guess, I get a lot of mixed signals from the faculty, as well as others, as to whether i'd be more suited to be an illustrator or animator.

I guess my question is what are the differences in skillsets taught between animation and illustration? I mean, something besides that useless crap they've got posted on the Sheridan site.

Any input is appreciated,

~Blaine

[Taj]

Animation, as soon as I read I sketch fast, I can generate some great ideas, my brain is wired to look at things in 3-D(high spatial ability), and my life drawing skills are pretty solid. Also, i'm a storyteller at heart

but then again
and I can usually get pretty involved in details(on costumes, etc). i thought illustration :|

[endregan]

hey dave its jack whats up. i havent seen you since last semester, if its the dave im thinking about. I thought I saw you last semester after the craig frazier thing but I wasnt sure you must have cut your hair hahaha.

Anyways Dave from last year or not, welcome eh. Sheridans is slowly growing in presence her on CA thats for sure.

[Artistic Suicide]

lol, thanks Taj. I guess my animation skills outweigh my illustration skills. I find that lately I don't really get into too much detail, so maybe it's a sign(or else i've been too busy and/or lazy). ;)

Maybe the portfolio reviews for the Fundies students at the end of the month will help me out some more.

~Blaine

[Kdeezy]

hey guys, i just got a scanner and scanned some recent drawings in and put it up in the sketchbook forum, if u guys could go check it out and u know gimme some helpful tips .... ***HINT HINT** .... id really appreciate it .

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=714152&posted=1#post714152

just a question about the figure drawing submissions..... can they be rough or do they need to be nice and clean looking (ie neat lines and such)

[kennygeeze]

hey guys, i just got a scanner and scanned some recent drawings in and put it up in the sketchbook forum, if u guys could go check it out and u know gimme some helpful tips .... ***HINT HINT** .... id really appreciate it .

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=714152&posted=1#post714152

just a question about the figure drawing submissions..... can they be rough or do they need to be nice and clean looking (ie neat lines and such)


I don't know to which you're applying to, but if it's illustration you should have a wide range of pose lengths from 1 minute gesture to as long as you can get... which is probably 1-3 hours. As for your other question... include a variety of techniques.
I'm in second year illustration btw...

If you're applying to something else, sorry for wasting your time, heh :P

Ken

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http://www.kenmccuen.com/

[Taj]

The one thing that scares me about Animation is that I'll be stuck drawing stuff like Bugs Bunny, or Mighty Max (not that theres anythign wrong with those characters, or cartoons, i love them both!) but I want to learn Oils, Guache...You know? But I really like the idea of animating...I want to work like rubygenesis (http://www.demongoddess.com/) not Brian Lemay (http://www.brianlemay.com/), as great as he might be.

any help? Do i have the wrong impression about animation?

[kennygeeze]

The one thing that scares me about Animation is that I'll be stuck drawing stuff like Bugs Bunny, or Mighty Max (not that theres anythign wrong with those characters, or cartoons, i love them both!) but I want to learn Oils, Guache...You know? But I really like the idea of animating...I want to work like rubygenesis (http://www.demongoddess.com/) not Brian Lemay (http://www.brianlemay.com/), as great as he might be.

any help? Do i have the wrong impression about animation?


I've seen alot of paintings up in the animation corridor. They're guache I believe and from what little I've heard from my friends in the program there is a painting class (and they use guache).


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www.kenmccuen.com

[Taj]

But, is it Stylized?

[Artistic Suicide]

...I want to learn Oils, Guache...

You're outta luck on the Oils. Sheridan stopped teaching oil painting because the fumes and such were going into the air ventilation and making people sick. There was also the fire hazard issue.

The only paints i've used so far are acrylic(in painting class) and gouache(in 2D Design). Frankly, i'm not a big fan of painting...traditionally.

However, you can still paint oils on your own...but you can do that now.

~Blaine

[alxcote]

In animation you get to learn Gouache, Watercolor and Digital Painting. Thats about it. But you also get to do 3D modeling/rigging/texturing and animation. plus the 2D. and layout/character design/storyboarding and plenty of other crap.

I don't think the program is as great as it "Could" be.. most people love it. But i do most of my fun stuff on my own spare time. That's how it is for everything in school/life. System will show you basics but you're on your own.

....so oils?.... sure, you do it anywhere else than your class. (which is about 99.9% of your life time)

good luck

[endregan]

yeah alex put that pretty well.

You can technically use oils in illustration, water soluable or walnut oil based you dont need turps so its safe to use that.

Gouache is awesome though for sure. watercolour on steroids, the way it should be!

[Amazing Action Ape]

Hey guys, im in a bit of a predicament. I applied to the animation and illustration programs at sheridan for 2006, however i JUST moved out of my old place yesterday, and my portfolio requirements hadnt shown up yet. I changed my address on OCAS, but i have this bad feeling that the requirements had already been sent. Is there anyway that someone could either send me a PM or post up the animation requirements here? I applied and was accepted 2 years ago, but couldnt qualify for OSAP at the time! >.<
So im not too worried about not making it in, i just want to get the folio done before i show up in oakville in february. If anyone can help, itd be MOST appreciated! cheers!

[Taj]

Its all online, The only place that actually mailed me was Seneca, and im not even gonna bother with them.

https://access.sheridaninstitute.ca

[Kdeezy]

i know this is the wrong thread buuuuuuut i have to ask, Taj what have you heard about seneca and their animation program, cuz i applied there aswell and well is it worth compared to other schools from what you have heard?

[WildSpruceMoose]

Seneca's animation team won a friggin oscar. Sheridan was the end all and be all of animation...10 years ago, Seneca's program is is catching up tremendously fast.

[Amazing Action Ape]

god damn, its all online now?! wow fucking sweet! thanks a grip mate!

[Taj]

I wouldnt say that... technically both programs are the same, they were both written by Brian Lemay, except Seneca wants you to be a well rounded student so you have all this extra stuff (better worse, i dont know)

[WildSpruceMoose]

I wouldnt say that... technically both programs are the same, they were both written by Brian Lemay, except Seneca wants you to be a well rounded student so you have all this extra stuff (better worse, i dont know)
True, both have their finer points. Personally, I'd still go to Sheridan Animation if I got in, if I didn't however Seneca's program is a really great option for those who don't quite make it-- there are thousands of applicants afterall they can't all get in :/

[Kdeezy]

ah i see, sheridan is my first choice and if i get into both than well i would definetly accept sheridan but i just wanna u know be on the safe side of things, i mean other then the oscar for that Ryan movie u dont usually hear much about Seneca's animation program. But it does look good IMO.

[alxcote]

Seneca's animation team won a friggin oscar. Sheridan was the end all and be all of animation...10 years ago, Seneca's program is is catching up tremendously fast.


honestly.. will people ever understand that school has just about nothing to do with what you can achieve..

What school could and perhaps do to you, is find some extra motivation in yourself to work harder. AND the only way that could happen is if you have a GREAT teacher (..and that just never happens).

In animation there might be 2 or 3 teachers that motivates me. everything else i do its on my own. So saying bla bla certain school had better final films and won bla bla just means the students worked their ass off and had more guts. Props to them, i see tons of students at sheridan who don't do a damn or just don't have the passion into what they do. THATS why sheridan isnt what it used to. but teachers are a small part of what makes you have a heart into what you do and create.

no wonder most of the great artists of our time are "great" because they love what they do. Not what their school did to them.


...and don't get me started on our school system...

[Taj]

Funny you mention something like that because I'am so motivated into doing my best to get into this Animation thing Ive been attending Life Drawing sessions for the past month and actually met the second year Character Design instructer(professer? teacher?) Pete Emirsle i think. and his stuff really inspires me.

I met a student to forget his name to be honost but he attends Max The Mutt anyways.

[WildSpruceMoose]

honestly.. will people ever understand that school has just about nothing to do with what you can achieve..

What school could and perhaps do to you, is find some extra motivation in yourself to work harder. AND the only way that could happen is if you have a GREAT teacher (..and that just never happens).

In animation there might be 2 or 3 teachers that motivates me. everything else i do its on my own. So saying bla bla certain school had better final films and won bla bla just means the students worked their ass off and had more guts. Props to them, i see tons of students at sheridan who don't do a damn or just don't have the passion into what they do. THATS why sheridan isnt what it used to. but teachers are a small part of what makes you have a heart into what you do and create.

no wonder most of the great artists of our time are "great" because they love what they do. Not what their school did to them.


...and don't get me started on our school system...


Whoa, whoa, come down buddy! I was just saying Seneca's Animation program is a competitive program to Sheridan's and citing the oscar win as the proof that Sheridan isn't the ONLY school out there for animation. I know just as much as you, and fully agree its the person and the time they put in, I do loads of work outside of attending class and assignments we have to do at home. If I'm awake and at my apartment chances are pretty good I'm drawing. You're preaching to the choir man! BUT ten years ago if you wanted to do animation, Sheridan was the only option really, now people have choice is all I was trying to say.
There are some teachers who still have that passion and inspire the passion in students, I know who they are and who they aren't-- it was the same with fundies and I bet its the same at all art schools and in all art programs. What you do in class is not as important as what you do outside of class. Sorry if I came off sounding resentful towards the Sheridan Animation program-- JDer over at eatpoo.com is an incredible artist and he graduated from animation at Sheridan. He's a friggin featured artist at the front of Sheridan's site if you look at the flash plug-in.

Draw and paint because you love it. Not because you "have to" for a school assignment.

P.S. I still love you.

[Marmalade]

Are most of the people here into the animation program?
or the illustration program?
I applied for illustration in sept.....
but what is it like?
like class structures, project structures etc?

[darth massacre]

Alex, just want to point out.

There are teachers and there are artists. The superstars of animation and illustration may come teach at Sheridan, but if they can't teach well, and most likey won't be able to, then its pointless because they can't impart their knowledge effectively. Then there are teachers who can teach and impart skills, but have limited skills and experience to give in the first place so students aren't really given an idea how far they can go.

I've had many discussions with friends about what's more important. A good, inspirational teacher, or a dedicated and proactive student. In the end like you said, its the student's attitude that matters. If a student have the best teachers and school system in the world and don't know how to take advantage of it then its all lost anyway.

Don't get frustrated with the school, they can't please the almost 1000 students in the animation and illustration programs and keep the government and industry happy at the same time. Everything is a compromise, but as you mentioned, we cannot compromise what we want for ourselves.

Anyway you're an over-achiever :p so you already know what you want and how to get there. Don't frustrate yourself over the little details.


As for graduates of this or that school winning awards and so on. Its all advertising for the school for obvious commercial reasons. Those are the little things we shouldn't bother ourselves with.

[alxcote]

Whoa, whoa, come down buddy! I was just saying Seneca's Animation program is a competitive program to Sheridan's and citing the oscar win as the proof that Sheridan isn't the ONLY school out there for animation. I know just as much as you, and fully agree its the person and the time they put in, I do loads of work outside of attending class and assignments we have to do at home. If I'm awake and at my apartment chances are pretty good I'm drawing. You're preaching to the choir man! BUT ten years ago if you wanted to do animation, Sheridan was the only option really, now people have choice is all I was trying to say.
There are some teachers who still have that passion and inspire the passion in students, I know who they are and who they aren't-- it was the same with fundies and I bet its the same at all art schools and in all art programs. What you do in class is not as important as what you do outside of class. Sorry if I came off sounding resentful towards the Sheridan Animation program-- JDer over at eatpoo.com is an incredible artist and he graduated from animation at Sheridan. He's a friggin featured artist at the front of Sheridan's site if you look at the flash plug-in.

Draw and paint because you love it. Not because you "have to" for a school assignment.

P.S. I still love you.

Don't get me wrong, i wasn't frustrated at all bud. I love you too. :wink:

I was just replying to your comment, i often hear from other students "sheridan used to be the best, bla..." and they struggle to improve thier art. and when they get home they do nothing. After that they come back whining about how they're not being thought well, and they should of went to another school. I was just saying how it bugs me some time to hear the same comment over'n'over, not your comment.

Darth - I agree 100%, but trust me.. i'm not stressing the least bit about sheridan. In fact i'm probably the one who cares the less in the entire school.


..so when do we get our next "get together" ? a tad too busy are we?

[alxcote]

http://www.eng.usf.edu/~dionson/ezzay/

i had a good laugh

[Sanby]

Is that serious? Cause that is funny shit. The best part is that he got 61% wow.

Sanby

[WildSpruceMoose]

Alex, how'd you get your hands on my rhetoric essay from this year?

Haha, that was an awesome read =) Must be a university to still pass with an essay like that.

[darth massacre]

I like his citations page.




Okay peoples. Serious business discussion.

As with what Alex mentioned earlier, what are we doing outside of schoolwork? I've been trying to get things together since the previous year but it hasn't really happened. So here's how its gonna be done.

8 page comic/sequential board PLUS 1 cover page (9 pages in total). To be completed by the end of Reading Week.

Only current Sheridan Animation and Illustration students need apply. (sorry Taj)

Some points:
- No restrictions on style, even anime *cringe* are welcome.
- No restrictions on medium; digital, traditional, coffee or your blood. B/W suggested coz color prints are $$$$$$$$$$$$.
- Self Censorship - I think most of us are mature enough.
- Theme = Whatever suits your strengths, there is no theme.
- Size Restriction 7.5 x 10 inches (8.5X11 page with 1/2 inch border).

This is purely voluntary, Endregan and myself will snoop around for possible printing opportunities so we can maybe get some exposure and even make a little profit (which I doubt we will).

It's not going to be some ambitious project hence the theme bit is dropped. Some folks I talked to mentioned some huge continuous storyline but its impractical because of stylistic differences and of course, if someone fails to complete their assigned section then the comic is fucked. So to keep things simple this is what I have in mind.

- Volunteers sign up, deadline is set at week 8 (ie the week after the reading week break). We will recieve as many who want to participate as possible but from experience, a lot will back out with a couple of days to go.
- As long as we have at least 5 completed stories (that's 45 - 50 pages total) we will go ahead with the print if we can find a cheap source.

So you guys take the week to think about it. If anyone's interested we should meet up one of the weekdays in school to have a chat.


Edit: With cheese of course.

[alxcote]

I like his citations page.




Okay peoples. Serious business discussion.

As with what Alex mentioned earlier, what are we doing outside of schoolwork? I've been trying to get things together since the previous year but it hasn't really happened. So here's how its gonna be done.

8 page comic/sequential board PLUS 1 cover page (9 pages in total). To be completed by the end of Reading Week.

Only current Sheridan Animation and Illustration students need apply. (sorry Taj)

Some points:
- No restrictions on style, even anime *cringe* are welcome.
- No restrictions on medium; digital, traditional, coffee or your blood. B/W suggested coz color prints are $$$$$$$$$$$$.
- Self Censorship - I think most of us are mature enough.
- Theme = Whatever suits your strengths, there is no theme.
- Size Restriction 7.5 x 10 inches (8.5X11 page with 1/2 inch border).

This is purely voluntary, Endregan and myself will snoop around for possible printing opportunities so we can maybe get some exposure and even make a little profit (which I doubt we will).

It's not going to be some ambitious project hence the theme bit is dropped. Some folks I talked to mentioned some huge continuous storyline but its impractical because of stylistic differences and of course, if someone fails to complete their assigned section then the comic is fucked. So to keep things simple this is what I have in mind.

- Volunteers sign up, deadline is set at week 8 (ie the week after the reading week break). We will recieve as many who want to participate as possible but from experience, a lot will back out with a couple of days to go.
- As long as we have at least 5 completed stories (that's 45 - 50 pages total) we will go ahead with the print if we can find a cheap source.

So you guys take the week to think about it. If anyone's interested we should meet up one of the weekdays in school to have a chat.


Edit: With cheese of course.



sounds sweet, will see if we have time for it. Kinda busy in the animation department, but i think i can try to squeeze it in. :rendered:

-sign here: alex cote


...... and it better be some sweet ass storyline. hehe

[Stephanie]

Hi,
I'm applying for illustration and the fundamentals class at Sheridan. Right now I'm working on my portfolio a lot and really stressing out about it! I've read some of this thread and its answered some of the questions I had.

Mostly everything in my portflio will be life drawings and still life. I was wondering though, do you think its ok to have one or two items that aren't completely realistic? I did a drawing with pencil crayons, watercolour, and ink of some dogs. You can see it (along with some life drawings and still lifes) at this link http://photobucket.com/albums/e261/stephanie_artist/ Sorry about the poor quality of the pictures. THe drawing of the dogs looks really washed out from the flash. Also, if anyone could give me feedback on my life drawings, I'd really appreciate it.

I thought that I read somewhere that Ontario students have priority over students from other provinces for getting into the course. Is this true? I was just wondering because I'm from winnipeg.

Thanks :)

[endregan]

Hey Stephanie.

You found us, theres a lot of us Sheridan kids on concept art now. Did you just google sheridan illustration and we came up ?

On your pieces: I really liked your linework and understanding of planes, especially in the skull studies and life drawing. One thing I noticed that needs a little more work is your painting, the skin tone is almost all one tone, in the future really look for the variances of skin in warm and cool and you will be much happer with the result. Is it acrylic or chalk? I dont think you have to include paintings in your portfolio but some colour and perhaps a couple really strong paintings included will really strengthen the portfolio.

In your life drawings I noticed a lot of linework but not a lot of shading. In some of your pieces they seem a little faded. Maybe up the contrast a bit on some to give better form would help, especially in the apple still life

Pretty good portfolio so far, I would love to see whats in your sketchbook too though.

[darth massacre]

and it better be some sweet ass storyline. hehe
Dude, YOU write your own 8 page story :dur: I'm busy with mine.


Hi Stephanie!!

[DRAM]

yeah jack, it is me. ha ha, i seriously messed up last year, but i'm doing much better this time around. and yeah, i did cut my hair a lot.

[Stephanie]

Thanks for the reply Endragon. Yep, I found this site by typing something like +sheridan +illustration in google.

I agree with what you said about my work. The still life with the apple was from a while ago and I was thinking that I needed to darken some areas before I put it in my portfolio. It does look pretty faded.

The painting was actually with oil. It does kind of look like chalk in the picture though. I'm not really much of a painter. I think because I like working with lines a lot. I do need to work on my shading in life drawings though. I guess everything just comes with practice.

I'll probably post some more portfolio items and sketchbook drawings soon.

[Sanby]

Stephanie: You know that there are specific requirements, right? I'm getting the vibe that you haven't seen those.

Sanby

[endregan]

Yeah the 8 page comic should be fun, good practice.

dave- i go to life drawings at night usually monday or thursday night if you ever wanted to say hey. First year was rough but they definitely changed some things around this year that makes it a lot better.

steph - yeah keep working at the portfolio, your linequality stands out though which is good. I think your linework with some good tonal studies would really improve your work. Funny actually linework is something I have to work on .

alex - where are you hiding these days. Whats up with that crazy cowboy project, must be keeping you away from illustration area!?

Oh yeah and who here is going to the MONTREAL WORKSHOP!? I definitely plan on going..

[alxcote]

alex - where are you hiding these days. Whats up with that crazy cowboy project, must be keeping you away from illustration area!?

i'm like 99% done some digital painting, about to post it. And the short film might have to wait, this semester is doom itself.


Oh yeah and who here is going to the MONTREAL WORKSHOP!? I definitely plan on going..

I'm so broke it's not even funny. lawl.

[Taj]

Don't you live in montreal alex? oh well, I might try to go, at least, i REALLY want to make it happen.

[darth massacre]

Hey guys, I'm waiting for Irene Gallo to contact me regarding information on Art Out Loud 2. I might just go ahead and buy the admission ticket and plan everything else around it as best as I can. If I can't go then I'll sell it.

So....anyone else interested? 6 awesome artists doing live demos.

And yes, Montreal workshop.

[alxcote]

Don't you live in montreal alex? oh well, I might try to go, at least, i REALLY want to make it happen.


my papa lives in quebec city (2 hour drive from montreal), i also do not have time. :(

[Stephanie]

Sanby: Yep, I know about the portfolio requirements. I've been working on them alot for the past couple of weeks.

[darth massacre]

Topic: COMIC BOOK THING

Hey guys, whoever's interested, PLEASE do not start the actual pieces yet. I want to figure out a standard page size and confirm it with everyone before we start. If not we'd have pages of different proportions and it will be hard to fit into a book.

[HEROIC]

Thanks for the reply Endragon. Yep, I found this site by typing something like +sheridan +illustration in google.


OO MM GG

same here, i found the concept art site the same way, it was about exactly a year ago that i found this thread, then i started my sketchbook. :D


im also applying to illustration. and i looked at ur stuff. great watercolour.. nice line works. at a moment i thought, im really lost >__< cause i havent done ne good line work like that :nohope:
WEll neway, good luck :)... maybe ill see u there next year, *YEY*

HEYYY GUYSSS, its beeen long since i havent checked the forum.
i finally decided. I AM applyin to illustration too >___> not that neone cares.
Im applyin to both ANimation and illustration. But most the stuff ive done are illustration. :)
ive already finished 5 sketchbooks till now, with paintings, so ill be choosing at the last minute to send which ones ;D
but like for some of the paintings or sketches, i really put much effort just to make it a portfolio piece. :/ nehow. wish for all those applying good luck, and do ur best in this last month. JUST PUSH URSELVES AS HARD AS U CAN.

*CHOP CHOP*
AMirali

[alxcote]

here's that "update" i promissed. my site doesn't feel too old anymore yay.

http://www.alxcote.com/2005/cage.jpg

[Taj]

Thats awsome Alex.

[HEROIC]

here's that "update" i promissed. my site doesn't feel too old anymore yay.

HEEYYY Alex
Omg man, i didnt notice u. Cause i always notcied u as the softdrawer and that cool guy floating in the air as ur avatar. ;p
Woooooh. looong time no see man.
RMbr it was about last year this time of the year., that i was asking u about the animation program ;D.
# 1 fan of ur sketches man.

Ur new "update" is looking great. love the way u put ur characters floated in the air. but with great motions.
GREAT:xpld:

Good to find out ure the that old (not too old) softdrawer.^^

[Kdeezy]

Hey guys i faxed in my drop off form........ is there any way to confirm that everything went through without any problems or am i left in the dark?


also can yall specifically the guys @ sheridan take a look @ my sketchbook im dieing for input. :teeth:

[HEROIC]

Exactly a month from Portfolio time.
Whos actully going to sheridan giving their portfolio to them???:tihi:

i know am going..
the best for everyone eh??

*** Dear Illustrators at Sheridan, I would really appreciate if u can check my Sketchbook and tell me, as an illustrator how would u rate my stuff, and also if there are any tips, would u plz share it out with us too? ***

Thanki u

AMi :^^:

[SirGreenSock]

Wow only a month left? Man gotta get my portfolio in order.
Ditto on checking out my sketchbook for help and advice.
Gotta get to work!

[WildSpruceMoose]

Nice work, alex! Its interesting to see your style develop from the work I've seen you do from semester to semester =D I really have no crits, just I love that style ;)

Heroic, you seem to be in pretty good shape but don't stop drawing now you still have a month. Don't stop working on your portfolio until the day before you hand it in! The hands and figure studies are REALLY coming along nicely, those will go over well. Just what I've mentioned before-- submit a sketchbook if at all possible, just show what you do beyond the finished pieces, that you draw from life and draw often, that you draw your ideas and are creative and have a great base to allow the school to develop your skills.

[alxcote]

Thanks guys,

on another note, i don't know if i'll be able to do it anymore.. i have so many things to do lately, and it's getting worst and worst. I'd do it otherwise. :[


I might have to drop it for now, i'll tell you guys if i'm still in.

alx

[Sanby]

Question about Animation portfolio. I talked to a guy in Animation and he said your portfolio should be all linework, no rendering. but, are they looking for clean linework, or something that shows a bit more action. For instance, where I have to draw the hands, one anticipating the action and the second doing the action, should I clean up the linework, or leave it a bit looser and sketchier?

Sanby

[darth massacre]

Question about Animation portfolio.


are they looking for clean linework, or something that shows a bit more action.


I think you just answered your own question.

[Sanby]

So both?

Clean linework then? And not something loose

Sanby

[Taj]

I talked to a student also, and the same stuff was said, lots of Line work, low amount of Rendering.

[dguy]

Hi guys,

I have a similiar question concerning the Animation portfolio. What do they mean by "freehand" drawings? Does that mean like just line and no shading? or do they mean like you can't use an eraser?

If I scan a sample of my hand drawing would you be able to critique for me?

thanx

[tweak_hp]

freehand usually just means no rulers..and no computer editing i guess...

[darth massacre]

So both?

Prolly more loose. You have to start loose first before you get into your clean lines no? I'd make it more lively instead of clean for animation.

[Sanby]

I think I just realized what I was trying to ask :P If I start loose and gestural and then fine tune things a bit, I am wondering more if they want to see thse initial lines or if they want things tidied up. I dont want to hand something in and have them say it looks unfinished, because it has all my loose stuff underneath.

Sanby

[Sanby]

For animation can I hand a sketchbook in as one of my pieces? And if so, how do I submit it along with my sketchbook? If I do what is suggested and put everything in an 8.5 x 11 " portfolio then I can't put a sketchbook inside of that.

Sanby

[Taj]

Haha im running into the same problem. I have 3 sketchbooks full and im wondering what i can hand in and what wont count.

My art teacher said it should count.

[Sanby]

Well from what I gather, it is encouraged, as they can seehow you work. But, unlike many other artschools, there is no actualy interview. And, from what I've been told, unless I am getting this wrong, it is good to hand in photocopies of work in something like those 8.5x11 portolfio books, with the sleaves, instead of bringing in a large portfolio case. But, if that is true I can't see it would be adviced to have them handed in seperately. You would need some way of including them in one package.

Sanby

[Stephanie]

I was just wondering what I should do. A little while back I posted that I'm applying for illustration. I've never really liked drawing in a sketchbook. I did draw in mine quite a bit during the beginning of the year but then I sort of neglected it. I usually put all my energy into larger finished drawings. On the requirements sheet it said that a sketchbook is highly reccomended. But I've spent the past month working really really hard on the drawing test section and didn't do anything with my sketcbook. Would it be better to send in a not so good sketchbook or none at all? I could work on my sketchbook alot until I have to mail my portfolio but I don't know about that. The drawings would all look very rushed.

[alxcote]

I was just wondering what I should do. A little while back I posted that I'm applying for illustration. I've never really liked drawing in a sketchbook. I did draw in mine quite a bit during the beginning of the year but then I sort of neglected it. I usually put all my energy into larger finished drawings. On the requirements sheet it said that a sketchbook is highly reccomended. But I've spent the past month working really really hard on the drawing test section and didn't do anything with my sketcbook. Would it be better to send in a not so good sketchbook or none at all? I could work on my sketchbook alot until I have to mail my portfolio but I don't know about that. The drawings would all look very rushed.

Well Steph, you're gonna have to force yourself to enjoy it.

Plus i'm sure if you have around 20 pages filled in a sketchbook it would be more than enough for them to judge your work. matter of fact, they probably will only look at 3 to 4 pages of it. What i suggest is look at your sketchbook as a learning treasure box (yes it sounds cheezy), just go wild at it in there.. experiment in your sketchbook and analyze your own work, try new things and improve. Also i believe they will be looking for diversity, they don't wan't to see 50 pages of anime facial clone expressions, go somewhere and draw people.. try different styles like very graphical with pen/ink, or realistic with pencil crayons and such. you might want to keep one page for anatomy studies, another for tones or whatever, i mean possibilities are unlimited.

They will be alot more impressed if you give them a sketchbook that feels like a treasure box, where so many things have been studied. You know what i mean? ...and i know that bigger projects on their own can be more "fun" and be considered as an "achievement" than some old sketchbook archive. But they want to know your views on art, the way you approach art and illustration. (mind you, i'm in animation...so i'm not the best to talk about it, but it's very similar in both programs)

So keep it up and good luck,

if you have more questions.. go for it.


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dguy- freehand means no ruler just you and your pencil. (like tweak said)

Sandy/Taj- all i can say it that they will be looking for diveristy (like i said to steph) , try giving them flavour instead of amount. If you already have a sketchbook in the package don't give them another one i say, try sending maybe some digital work instead, or ink, or even pics of paintings you may have done.

*see, when i applied 2 years ago, i only gave them some digital paintings instead of over crowding the same stuff over and over. And they liked it. (plus my portfolio was really off from what they asked) but since i had alot of different stuff in there and i showed them i had very creative views on arts in general, and that i tried different mediums they liked it.


i'm sure alot of people have different views on how to approach the portfolio submission, but that's my 2cent worth before i go run to my dodgeball practive.

later folks

alex


edit: well damn, i just wrote a book.

edit2: holy typos batman!

[Stephanie]

Alex, thanks for the advice about sketch books. That is a good way to look at it as, a treasure box. I'm sure that if I thought of it that way and spent a lot more time working in it, that I'd like drawing in a sketchbook. That is good to know that I don't need a huge amount of drawings. I'm going to work on some sketches in different mediums like you said and not worry about filling the whole book.
I took a look at your site and I found your sketches very intriguing. They're very creative and I like the perspective in them. I also saw that you went to Kelvin high. I went to Balmoral Hall, just a few minutes away from Kelvin. Are there many people from Winnipeg at Sheridan?
And also, if I get accepted, when do you think is a good time to look for a place to live?
thanks again

[HEROIC]

if I get accepted, when do you think is a good time to look for a place to live?

i planeed for meself, that if i get accepted, Ill be looking for off campus houses as soon as possible. its always good to look for the house early.
Also about the skethbook thing u are syin. Like i persoally am doing tonssa work load now, i go to work, i go to skool, but i at least finish 2 sketchbooks a month, which contains life drawings on friday, sketches at skool, some doodles, and illustrations, prertty much daily self portraits.
and im done, i gotta do more. MORE MORE MORE
and as for u, ill tell u to not to give up to the last minute, not just go by all the things they want as ALex said, but doing some stuff aside too, to show ur creativity.

Good luck on ur stuff ;)
are u handing ur portfolio? or sending? cause i know couple people like me are actully goin there giving there. im not too far, TOronto.

AMi

[alxcote]

Alex, thanks for the advice about sketch books. That is a good way to look at it as, a treasure box. I'm sure that if I thought of it that way and spent a lot more time working in it, that I'd like drawing in a sketchbook. That is good to know that I don't need a huge amount of drawings. I'm going to work on some sketches in different mediums like you said and not worry about filling the whole book.
I took a look at your site and I found your sketches very intriguing. They're very creative and I like the perspective in them. I also saw that you went to Kelvin high. I went to Balmoral Hall, just a few minutes away from Kelvin. Are there many people from Winnipeg at Sheridan?
And also, if I get accepted, when do you think is a good time to look for a place to live?
thanks again

Hi steph,

Reason why they won't be look to alot of them is simple. They don't have the time to AND only a few drawings can tell alot about someones aptitudes. They won't bother looking at every little doodle about mech warriors and laser mounted robot-pirates. They'll give a quick glance and they will know if it's good enough. Using different mediums is a good idea but be carefull, there are exceptions. As in if you JUST started working with paint lets say, you might wan't to wait before submitting something you just started experimenting with (that is, if you feel like your work isn't strong enough to begin with). I suggest you put in all of the mediums you are most familiar with first, then explore more. but it's always a very good thing to have diversity.

There's something i always found truthfull and that most excellent teachers say all the time. When you're looking at someones art works, what you will remember is not how pretty or how much detail was put into it, or how cool the mech warrior was. People will always remember how your work is unique and creative, the way you have caught that small detail about life.

As an example: If i'd be looking through a portfolio submission, and i see a bunch of muscular barbarians and super heros with chicks with supernatural cleavage.. i won't even get to the fifth page and i'll already know what to expect of the rest of the works. BUT if i open a portfolio and i see a very well thought out piece of art depicting a Renaissance scene with different accurate props based on a life model, then woaw... i can say that this person knows how to capture reality into its own art form right? Well it's the same for everything.

There is art junk food, and exquisit art. The difference is how you deal with your creative approach. Don't copy some super hero from a comic book, go to a public area a draw your friend/ a mother having a conversation with a friend at an outdoor cafe while taking care of her baby and get a good composition with the environment or something. Use some ink, or even watercolour.. In the end it's all up to you, you can draw anything really, just think about what they would like to see. I'm sure other people have different opinions about this matter... *no wayyy man, mech warriors are awesome dude* ..but hey, the evaluators at Sheridan won't give 2 cent.

Darth Massacre / WildSpruceMoose and Endregan can give you their opinion about this as well.


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thanks for your comment about my work, being creative is one of the most important asset in the art industry and i always try exploring new things.

Glad to know you're from Winnipeg, i myself like windypeg alot (and no it's not a boring city haha). I'm not from there though, I was born in quebec and took a long route from place to place to finaly end up there for some years now. I go back there every summer.

There arn't too many people from Winnipeg, I know only 2 from sheridan. Both of them are in illustration 1st year right now, both friends of mine. Miles and Claire. I can't recall anyone else really...sorry if i forgot someone.


If you do get accepted, then start looking for a place ASAP. in June i suppose could be the earliest. I think there's a website for student housing for sheridan somewhere, i'll try to find a link. That's how i got my place back then, i got lucky when they posted their add i was the first one to call. But yeah, there are 3 options... you get an apartment with 3 other people and pay around 300$ month, Or you move into a townhouse and pay between 350$ to 500$. The last option is what i took, i live with a family and rent a room on their second floor, its 400$/month and i pay extra 100$ so they cook for me during the week. (haha, and no i'm not that lazy, i just don't have time, rather put more effort into work). so it's up to you, you "might" find a better deal but those are the extremely lucky ones.

*caugh*oakville is a horrible suburbian area*caugh*

I hope this helped.

alex

[alxcote]

i planeed for meself, that if i get accepted, Ill be looking for off campus houses as soon as possible. its always good to look for the house early.
Also about the skethbook thing u are syin. Like i persoally am doing tonssa work load now, i go to work, i go to skool, but i at least finish 2 sketchbooks a month, which contains life drawings on friday, sketches at skool, some doodles, and illustrations, prertty much daily self portraits.
and im done, i gotta do more. MORE MORE MORE
and as for u, ill tell u to not to give up to the last minute, not just go by all the things they want as ALex said, but doing some stuff aside too, to show ur creativity.

Good luck on ur stuff ;)
are u handing ur portfolio? or sending? cause i know couple people like me are actully goin there giving there. im not too far, TOronto.

AMi

There you go, listen to this guy... he's got so much motivation he could sell some and make a buisness out of it! :P


You don't really need to go there and drop it off, i sent mine by mail and it was fine.

Have i ever posted how i made my portfolio? because it was a real joke. I did everything on printer paper in a weekend because i had planned to apply to a bunch of art schools within a week or two so i just did everything speed sketchy/retarded mode. So all my life drawing was actualy done on 8 by 11 printer paper. I then printed out some digital art works and some pictures taken from some giant paintings i had done for Kelvin highschool. I then FOLDED the pack of paper into a big ENVELOPE. Squeezed it up, sent it by mail the next day. .....and i got in.... So there you go, as far as personal experience goes. I didnt get in because of how "cool" my portfolio looked. But because i put abunch of creative art works and they liked that. (they might of had a good laugh when they went through the folded printer paper but hey.. i don't care).

alex

[alxcote]

And i found that website for finding places to live in oakville, and its for student from sheridan.

It was pretty good back then, so i don't know how it is these days...but it's worth giving a look at.

http://www.places4students.com/places/school.asp?schoolid=19

i can't believe i wrote all that, it's more than i've ever written even for essays. god. *goes to sleep*

[darth massacre]

Alex....


STOP SLACKING OFF!! GET BACK TO DRAWING!!! HAW HAW HAW HAW.


I don't think I can add much to what Alex said. But I'll have to ask all the applicants here.... is that artwork of your own? You can hand in a bunch of stuff that you think looks cool, or a bunch of stuff that follows the portfolio requirements to the letter. But the teachers at the portfolio review are always looking out for something more. Everyone can follow instructions....its what else you can give...what MORE you can give in your submissions?

That's why myself or anyone else hardly answer questions that ask "what do they want?" or "what should I do?". They've already outlined it in their portfolio brief. They want to see how YOU interpret it. Why do you guys think only about 120 out of every 1000 or so submissions get accepted yearly in both Animation and Illustration?

And like Alex says....its not how good your portfolio looks...its the quality of your artwork inside. I had ONE colored image in my portfolio submission. The rest were line and tonal work....mostly line coz I work directly with inks. I half assed the portfolio test too.

[Stephanie]

Wow, thanks everyone for the replies.

Heroic, You must spend a lot of time on your sketchbook. That's amazing that you get two done in a month. I'm going to be mailing my portfolio. Goodluck with yours.

Alex, thanks for your really indepth reply. I think you've given me some really good advice. It's funny, I was talking to my drawing professor today about my portfolio and she said that she used to evaluate portfolios for the U of M but that she got so frustrated with it that she can't anymore. She said that a lot of the guys had sketchbooks full of big muscle men and superheroes and that lots of girls had drawings of flowers and things like a girl's face with a single tear rolling down. I really want my work to be creative and unique. Not generic. Thanks also for the link to the student housing site. Do you think its a good idea to go down to Oakville to look at the places or is not really that necessary?

Darth Massacre, thanks for your reply. With around a thousand portfolios, I can see why the evaluators would want to see something "more" in them and something unique with each applicant.

Steph

[kennygeeze]

I was just wondering what I should do. A little while back I posted that I'm applying for illustration. I've never really liked drawing in a sketchbook. I did draw in mine quite a bit during the beginning of the year but then I sort of neglected it. I usually put all my energy into larger finished drawings. On the requirements sheet it said that a sketchbook is highly reccomended. But I've spent the past month working really really hard on the drawing test section and didn't do anything with my sketcbook. Would it be better to send in a not so good sketchbook or none at all? I could work on my sketchbook alot until I have to mail my portfolio but I don't know about that. The drawings would all look very rushed.

Hey Stephanie, I'm in second year illusration, but way back when I was in fundies and trying to apply I actually sought out a couple illustration profs to ask what to put in.

One was very vague which didn't help a whole lot... the other just told me simply "lots of hands and feet".. so when In doubt just fill pages with hands 'n feet --- your own or the model's or whoever.
Make some detailed... some just rough 1 minute ones and put like 15 on the same page.

I was also a class rep in fundies :x and there ended up being this huge thing later on in the year about alot of A + students were getting rejected from illustration. We found out they alot of them neglected to put a sketchbook in their portfolio (or if submitting the 15 pieces of your own work option -- didn't submit any life-drawing)
After it was all said and done I got my portfolio evaluation mailed to me just for fun and sketchbook (roughwork) is a HUGE part of the portfolio grade.

That's good that you're spending alot of time on the drawing test though...

When they flip through the sketchbook I was told they flip through it like picking up a book in a bookstore.... just running their thumb across the thickness and whatever pages they see flip by is what they get their impression from. Depending on what they see might cause them to look more.

You should honestly try to fill more than 20 pages... sketchbook is to show what you draw and practice in your spare time. I filled a 100 page book with hands/feet, faces, practices for my drawing test, some pasted in roughs from 2D class (the best ones) and... a couple little guache paintings.

Just try and fill as much as you can. It's pretty important.

Ken

[SirGreenSock]

I don't think its necessary to go down to Oakville just yet, although it's a good idea to do so in the near future.
Sketchbook-wise I've been told they are mainly looking at your interests and creative input, so its just a matter of carrying your sketchbook with you at all times, and making sketching fun, not a chore or obligation. Build it into a routine, since September I've been getting myself to draw more and more, and nowadays I can't end my day without at least 2 hours of drawing or sketching.
One thing that got me more into sketching like this is to develop an activity or routine to push yourself with as well as gauge improvement. I go to a life drawing place with Heroic every week, as well as the Toronto subway sketch group on Sundays, I do a daily self portrait, do daily studies from life at school, on the subway, in the park etc, and always try to designate some time to do some 'free' drawing, of just sketching anything that comes up to exercise my imagination.
If you're working in your sketchbook for fun, and doing it often, you wont have to force yourself to be unique, since it will in the end reflect your creativity and interests.

[Stephanie]

Kennygeeze and SirGreenSock, thanks for your advice about sketchbooks.

I've been working on my sketchbook a lot more than I usually do for the past couple of days now so hopefully by the time I send my portfolio in, it will be okay. I won't have 100 pages filled, but I'll have an alright amount. I've been drawing lots of hands and feet because I was having sort of a hard time with those. I'm starting to like drawing in my sketchbook a lot and I'm going to keep on drawing in it all the time even after I send the book I'm working on to Sheridan. I wish I had started drawing in it more a few months ago.

Kennygeeze, I was just curious about what kind of assignments do you do in illustration?

[Taj]

I have a interview at OCAD tuesday, even though i don't want to go uhhh, wish me luck.

[kennygeeze]

Kennygeeze and SirGreenSock, thanks for your advice about sketchbooks.

I've been working on my sketchbook a lot more than I usually do for the past couple of days now so hopefully by the time I send my portfolio in, it will be okay. I won't have 100 pages filled, but I'll have an alright amount. I've been drawing lots of hands and feet because I was having sort of a hard time with those. I'm starting to like drawing in my sketchbook a lot and I'm going to keep on drawing in it all the time even after I send the book I'm working on to Sheridan. I wish I had started drawing in it more a few months ago.

Kennygeeze, I was just curious about what kind of assignments do you do in illustration?

Hi Stephanie,
I'll give you quick over-view since I have a huge tendency to ramble.

1st year you don't really 'illustrate' anything.. it's more about drawing and painting fundamentals. You have figure drawing portfolios, highly technical drawings of various still life, painting assignments of different sorts (usually objects and then the figure later on), conceptual process (which is your class closest to illustrating creative ideas), and computers (where you learn illustrator and photoshop) I forget if I'm missing anything. There used to be a drawing systems class (with grids and T-squares like drafting), but I think that go merged into object drawing.
Every semester you ahve one 'breadth' course which is basically your typical university course .... english rhetoric, psych, research methods, art history, etc.

at the end of 1st year you get to choose technical illustration or interpretive... I can't tell you really anything about technical because I'm in interpretive so......


Second year is pretty much the same classes... object drawing is gone and so is conceptual process replaced by a twice a week interpretive illustration class where we've focused so far on editorial illustrative assignments storyboarding -- oh, and one book illustration project. That's pretty much it so far. Good luck!

[arghmisfit]

almost a week till folios are due :O sleep will be my enemy

[Taj]

AHHH you jerk theres 2 weeks :P

[Sanby]

Anyone in residence know how much it costs to have a guest stay overnight? And, what are peoples thoughts on residence vs non residence?

Sanby

[kennygeeze]

Anyone in residence know how much it costs to have a guest stay overnight? And, what are peoples thoughts on residence vs non residence?

Sanby

I'm pretty sure it costs like $5 as I've been the guest numerous times and sometimes I've paid it.

I never got into residence, but I spent alot of time there through friends, etc... I think it's probably the most money you'll pay for a bedroom in all the sheridan area-- I think it's like 650 or something like that where-as everywhere else is 400 to low 500's.
Sheridan res has alot more rules than a typical university res (such as a closed door policy) and the RA's are sometimes huge nazi's. Although depending on where you live you might get a nazi landlord there too. My first two years were spent in a townhouse with a landlord who only visited every 2 months or so... but she got worse every visit so I finally moved.. or got kicked out, I forget.

So far this is the best set-up I've seen -- I live in a three bedroom apartment with two other room-mates. I'd recommend that to anyone.... however alot of people I know live in family basements with the family upstairs or sleep in one of the bedrooms. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that although it seems like the most typical situation for people in my classes.

[SirGreenSock]

AHHH you jerk theres 2 weeks :P

Well its a week if you're mailing it in, they ask to send it by the 24th.


If you're already in Toronto you got an advantage of getting an extra week. :tihi:

[amarryth]

so i'm applying to illustration for the second time after just <i>barely</i> getting turned down last year... i was like 2 or 3% below the cut off.. that hurt.. the year of fundies did do good.. and i was in the illustration fundies for the beginning of this year.. but decided it wasn't good for me during our first reading week.. so i've been slowly working on folio for the last couple months.. now it's time to crack down on the damn drawing test and get together some stuff worth showing.. i think my biggest challenge right now is doing stuff that is me.. that's not typical.. hoping that what i do isn't seen in every other person's sketchbook as well..... anyway.. i'll be blabbering forever with my frustrations if i don't go now.. good luck everyone (as long as you leave space for me to get in as well!!!)

ciao-

[endregan]

Midterms are here and it only makes things interesting. It really is a lot of work but rewarding for you guys applying and whoever we see next year.

Dont forget about the 8 page comic Jerry proposed. I know everyone is busy but if you can go for it and let us know if your going to. Anyone is welcome to contribute from Sheridan. I guess we will let the animators in on it, Alex I know you can whip up something you crazy bastard.

[SirGreenSock]

Hey everyone, I have just one quick question about the portfolio.
Heroic and me are going down to Sheridan on the 4th to hand ours in, and am curious about how they would want it presented. At the moment, my plan is to put in the portfolio work and drawing test into a presentation booklet, and put that and my sketchbook into a standard portfolio. Does that sound alright?
Also, since we've got to pick the portfolios back up around 3pm, we're probably gonna hang around the premises for a while rather than wander off or go back on the bus home only to return. Aside from wandering the halls looking at student work and sitting around, doing some sketching, would there be anything else of interest to us while we're already there?
Maybe meet up with some other ca peeps and hang out or something.

[WildSpruceMoose]

Good to see the thread still alive. About the 8page comic thing, I'm going to try but as my brother knows some health concerns may prevent me from partaking.

Now, Sirgreensock I would suggest making a clear and definitive separation of your drawing test from the portfolio. Put the drawing test in a separate folder labeled "Drawing Test" infront of the portfolio. I believe they view the test first, then the work and then the sketchbook. Seems like you have the right idea though, best of luck to you!
As far as a little conceptart meet, we shall see-- I think I'm gonna be back home writing my psych essay during reading week, but I'll let you know if I'm sticking around.

Goodluck to everyone, you're in your final days before portfolio reviews now, use them wisely =D

[Sanby]

How do they actually decide who they accept. What do you mean, when you say that your were 2 or 3% below the cut off?

Sanby

[WildSpruceMoose]

They have a marking sheet, like a test and they mark you based on your portfolio. Like presentation is worth 2 points. So if some work is all dog-eared and stuff you get 1/2 for that portion. There are thousands of portfolios being reviewed, the marking method just helps them and you see where you stand in relative position to other applicants.

[amarryth]

How do they actually decide who they accept. What do you mean, when you say that your were 2 or 3% below the cut off?

Sanby

well like wildsprucemoose explained, they have a marking sheet, i think there's several people who take part in the marking of each portfolio, but when they're done with that they come up with a mark out of 100. i have a feeling that before they start looking at portfolios there's a certain number they want people to be above since last year, over the 2 days of portfolios they didn't come up with enough people to fill all of the available spaces, so they ended up getting all the people that didn't get a chance to send one in the first time, but still applied to bring theirs in, i think it was april or something, as you can see mentioned earlier in this thread, a little less than a year ago; frankly, it pissed off alot of us that we're doing schoolwork along with that and definitely could have used the extra time, and also the projects at the end of the year were sooo much more portfolio appropriate-- so yeah, i got either 55 or 54% i can't remember, it was one or the other and the people offered admission were 57% and over. i have several friends in first and second year so i'm hoping that all of my prying of their resources and the knowledge i gained from my time at the school will finally do me justice.. last year was just a whole lot of not listening to what was going to represent me.. i took advice from far too many people and got frustrated. oh yeah, yesterday i checked out endregan's sketchbook.. go back to, i believe halfway through february or so and he posted some of his drawing test and a few other things so you can see the quality of work of someone that did get in the program.. he has his entire portfolio posted too but for some reason the images wouldn't load.. i'm searching for some more people who posted some of their portfolio stuff... anyway.. i talked wayyyyy too much there.. i hope you got somewhat of an explanation!

ciao/k

[its_crawford]

what the hell do people do in oakville? im bored as shit here

[kennygeeze]

Hey everyone, I have just one quick question about the portfolio.
Heroic and me are going down to Sheridan on the 4th to hand ours in, and am curious about how they would want it presented. At the moment, my plan is to put in the portfolio work and drawing test into a presentation booklet, and put that and my sketchbook into a standard portfolio. Does that sound alright?
Also, since we've got to pick the portfolios back up around 3pm, we're probably gonna hang around the premises for a while rather than wander off or go back on the bus home only to return. Aside from wandering the halls looking at student work and sitting around, doing some sketching, would there be anything else of interest to us while we're already there?
Maybe meet up with some other ca peeps and hang out or something.

Hey Greensock,
I've seen a few successful portfolios done in presentation booklets, so that should be pretty safe. Just make sure you label your drawing test.
as far as what you can do after you hand in your portfolio... as I remember there's usually a presentation of some sort done by sheridan teachers -- one time I went to see it it was just the illustration program co-ordinator shouting across the cafeteria -- the other time they attempted to pack us into the smaller lecture halls next to tim hortons.
They mainly talk about (typical enough) what to put in your portfolio to get into illustration and why they accept so few people.

Good luck.

[SirGreenSock]

Thanks a lot for the replies Moose and Kenny!
The plan was to put dividers into the booklets to distinguish the drawing test from the portfolio.
Thanks for the info on the presentation Kenny! I think I'll check it out, and if it doesnt seem like something of interest I can always go off and draw for a while. :)

[Sanby]

I just can't figure out how, if I were to put everything into a booklet, I would get quality pictures off stuff that is on large pages. Aren't I going to lose a lot of detail? If I decided to put it in a 18" X 30" portfolio case, how should I put 8.5 x 11 pages in there, so they dont fly around? and will they kick me in the nuts for being a pain in the ass?

And, how long after the portfolio days do they start sending out acceptance?

Sanby

[SirGreenSock]

Im getting a large presentation booklet, most of my work is 11x14, nothing is bigger. The booklet keeps everything in place pretty tightly, my smaller pages stay in place just fine.

[kennygeeze]

I just can't figure out how, if I were to put everything into a booklet, I would get quality pictures off stuff that is on large pages. Aren't I going to lose a lot of detail? If I decided to put it in a 18" X 30" portfolio case, how should I put 8.5 x 11 pages in there, so they dont fly around? and will they kick me in the nuts for being a pain in the ass?

And, how long after the portfolio days do they start sending out acceptance?

Sanby

I don't really understand what the first sentence is asking about losing alot of detail. The 8x11 pages just paper clip or bulldog clip them to something that has an edge near the top of the portfolio case if you're afraid of them falling or getting crushed at the bottom.
I for example contained my life-drawings by putting them in a small folded piece of cardboard, and I clipped my drawing test to the top of it so when they yank my life-drawings out the drawing test came with it.

Oh, and you can find out if you've been accepted sometime around april 1st. That's when you find out online through access sheridan... sheidan is super slow at mailing anything. If you wait for that you might not know until a few months from now... that's when I finally got my letter.

If you're having trouble deciding how to present your portfolio just think easy, clean, professional. Put your pieces in the case and pretend you're an evaluator pulling them out ... how easy is it for you to see everything and get everything out.

[thomasaurus]

On the subject of portfolio presentation, I wanna know how most of the animators here did it. What do you think works?

I'm just using a clean simple slip booklet, 9x12 with the 8.5x11 work matted inside. Now I just gotta fill it up... so busy the next few days.

[Sanby]

Thanks for the reply kennygeeze, it's extrememly helpful. What I meant by I will lose a lot of details, is that if I take a large drawing and transfer it to 8.5x11 to fit it into a booklet, then I will lose a lot fo detail because of the size reduction. If I am driving my portfolio in, giving them originals shouldnt be a big problem, right? BTW, what program are you in?

Sanby

[kennygeeze]

Thanks for the reply kennygeeze, it's extrememly helpful. What I meant by I will lose a lot of details, is that if I take a large drawing and transfer it to 8.5x11 to fit it into a booklet, then I will lose a lot fo detail because of the size reduction. If I am driving my portfolio in, giving them originals shouldnt be a big problem, right? BTW, what program are you in?

Sanby

Hi, I'm in the illustration program, second year -- interpretive stream.

I've had very little experience photographing work so I can't really help you there. I've took pictures of my stuff with my digital camera before... quality isn't great, but it's not bad.. I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem.
If you're driving your portfolio in then I'd suggest you do give them originals. We rarely rarely rarely hand in copies of our work when we turn in actual assignments.
Everyone I know who got into the program turned in originals as well.

Ken

[CuriousJoe8]

I'm only in my first year of high school, but I know for certain that animation is the field I'll be entering. I've been researching schools just to see what my options may be several years from now, and I was heavily considering Sheridan seeing how close I am to it, and from what I hear Disney hires a lot of people from there. I was just wondering if Sheridan is the best place to be for animation. I hear it has a really thorough animation program, but I want to know if it's the best place to get noticed.

Also as a general question, do schools want to see a timeline in your portfolio that documents how much you've learned and advanced over time? My parents are all worried that I won't have enough work to show if I don't start soon, but I'm only in grade nine and I don't want to overload the decision makers with crappy art from four years prior.

[Sanby]

The Sheridan portfolio requirements are pretty specific. Unless you go down hill from here, you aren't going to be using anything you do for the next couple years, most likely. Requirements come out 2 months before the deadline, so you do the work in that time frame.

Requirements this year :

3 figures
2 animals
Storyboards
create a character and do expressions and poses
freehand drawing of a room
freehand hands
Household objects
5 pieces of your choice

Thats basically what you need, but it goes into more detail

Sanby

[kennygeeze]

I'm only in my first year of high school, but I know for certain that animation is the field I'll be entering. I've been researching schools just to see what my options may be several years from now, and I was heavily considering Sheridan seeing how close I am to it, and from what I hear Disney hires a lot of people from there. I was just wondering if Sheridan is the best place to be for animation. I hear it has a really thorough animation program, but I want to know if it's the best place to get noticed.

Also as a general question, do schools want to see a timeline in your portfolio that documents how much you've learned and advanced over time? My parents are all worried that I won't have enough work to show if I don't start soon, but I'm only in grade nine and I don't want to overload the decision makers with crappy art from four years prior.

My art teacher in highschool had a similiar misconception about portfolio evalutions -- that you're supposed to hand in a huge progression of work from a big lapse of time.
I have yet to hear of any art program anywhere that looks for something like that. Usually (although there are exceptions) any work in a portfolio is your best and also most recent. As what was said above probably what you've done in recent months only.

HOWEVER, you should still be training yourself with resources available as much as you can. Try to avoid pitfalls of books like 'how to draw manga' and the like as they don't really teach you to draw. Draw from life as much as possible and I'd suggest geting your hands on a private art teacher of some sort where you can do one on one or small group classes.

Ken

[amarryth]

who's bringing portfolios for illustration in on the friday (march 3)? i was going to do the saturday, but will likely have to work so i'm coming on the friday and i'm gonna be bored all day.. what's everyone up to?

[SirGreenSock]

I have school on that friday, so Im bringing my folio on saturday.

Thanks for answering so many questions Kenny, I have one more about the drawing test.
I know that for animation they stress that they are mainly looking at the linework. For the illustration drawing test, do you know if there is anything in particular they are looking for? Like, do they also want linework, or full value range work, or does it not matter for illustration. I just wanna make sure, since some of the things they asked for (such as group of people) have to be done pretty fast, meaning they'd be mostly line. Thanks.

[kennygeeze]

I have school on that friday, so Im bringing my folio on saturday.

Thanks for answering so many questions Kenny, I have one more about the drawing test.
I know that for animation they stress that they are mainly looking at the linework. For the illustration drawing test, do you know if there is anything in particular they are looking for? Like, do they also want linework, or full value range work, or does it not matter for illustration. I just wanna make sure, since some of the things they asked for (such as group of people) have to be done pretty fast, meaning they'd be mostly line. Thanks.

When I was in art fundamentals, I hunted down an illustration prof and asked what they were looking for...
They only really answered my question about the still life, but they're basically looking for line and structural underdrawings. In fact as far as your drawing classes are concerned you don't really *learn* tone until second semester.
Watch your elipses as well and build your drawings very structurally with correct perspective and whatnot.

Your people drawing doesn't have to be just line. You can use a fat marker, ink wash, or watercolor to throw down some simple tone to give it that extra depth/punch.

ken

[SirGreenSock]

Thanks a lot for the quick response!
Yeah, I think I'll add some light tones in there for more depth.

[darth massacre]

Also as a general question, do schools want to see a timeline in your portfolio that documents how much you've learned and advanced over time? My parents are all worried that I won't have enough work to show if I don't start soon, but I'm only in grade nine and I don't want to overload the decision makers with crappy art from four years prior.
You've pretty much answered your own question. Send the best and most recent works if you want a fighting chance.

[amarryth]

I'm only in my first year of high school, but I know for certain that animation is the field I'll be entering. I've been researching schools just to see what my options may be several years from now, and I was heavily considering Sheridan seeing how close I am to it, and from what I hear Disney hires a lot of people from there. I was just wondering if Sheridan is the best place to be for animation. I hear it has a really thorough animation program, but I want to know if it's the best place to get noticed.

Also as a general question, do schools want to see a timeline in your portfolio that documents how much you've learned and advanced over time? My parents are all worried that I won't have enough work to show if I don't start soon, but I'm only in grade nine and I don't want to overload the decision makers with crappy art from four years prior.

what high school are you at? only asking because i am originally from hamilton and know a few of the different high schools' art programs.. make sure you're going to the right school that is going to challenge you enough that when it's time to apply to school you've got a solid base; there are some schools that have terrible programs and the few of us that want to do it for life are left lost and frustrated. anyway, it's great that you're starting this early, get interested in human anatomy, muscles and bones and how they fit together and such... good luck!

[purb36]

sup peoples? i just sent in my portfolio today. mailing it from japan, so itll take 4 days to get there. good luck to everybody still working! :cheerleader:

[darth massacre]

4 days? Mine took 28 hours :teeth: Fed Ex of course.

[dguy]

sent mine just now................when do you hear back from them usually?

[kennygeeze]

sent mine just now................when do you hear back from them usually?

April 1st... give or take several days. That's when colleges are actually allowed to tell who they accepted. Some strange rule or something like that -- i forget what it's all about.

[alxcote]

April 1st... give or take several days. That's when colleges are actually allowed to tell who they accepted. Some strange rule or something like that -- i forget what it's all about.


That's if they're not in strike *sight* or who knows what else...

[purb36]

darth - you sent yours from japan in 28 hours?

[amarryth]

ANYONE WHO APPLIED TO ILLUSTRATION IN PREVIOUS YEARS: do you guys happen to have your score sheets bumming around? i forget what all the different sections are and what each is out of.. if you could put that up i will personally come to oakville and give you a hug! lol.. i've been looking everywhere for mine..

THANKS!

[kennygeeze]

That's if they're not in strike *sight* or who knows what else...

They threatened a strike 2 years ago as well... and it was so for certain the teachers gave us contingency plan assignments to do over the strike period. It was resolved 12 hours before they were supposed to officially start the strike....
even if they do strike it couldn't last for very long. too many people would be totally against them and they'd be forced to resolve it somehow. apparently this happens every 2 years.

[kennygeeze]

ANYONE WHO APPLIED TO ILLUSTRATION IN PREVIOUS YEARS: do you guys happen to have your score sheets bumming around? i forget what all the different sections are and what each is out of.. if you could put that up i will personally come to oakville and give you a hug! lol.. i've been looking everywhere for mine..

THANKS!

I lost mine as well. I just recall sketchbook being a very large part of the grade ... and drawing test obviously.

[Diseased Fetus]

ANYONE WHO APPLIED TO ILLUSTRATION IN PREVIOUS YEARS: do you guys happen to have your score sheets bumming around? i forget what all the different sections are and what each is out of.. if you could put that up i will personally come to oakville and give you a hug! lol.. i've been looking everywhere for mine..

THANKS!

I've been browsing this thread for a while without any intention of actually posting but since I'm such a nice guy I thought I'd register and help you out.
The Illustration scoring sheet from last year went like this

Drawing Skills
1- Ability to make representational drawings /10
2- Understanding of basic compositional principles /10
3- Evidence of ability to work with visual ideas. /10

Complementary Skills
1- Ability to use media with clear expressive, communicative, or aesthetic intent. /10
2- Demonstrated visual investigation through the inclusion of developmental sketches, sketchbooks, or notebooks. /10

Presentation and Selection
1- Is the presentation of the work neat and clean? /10
2- Is the selection of work appropriate, does it demonstrate qualities which indicate likely success in the program?
/10

DRAWING TEST
Demonstrated Visual Sense
1- Demonstrated ability to make representational drawings. /10
2- Demonstrated understanding of basic compositional principles /10
3- Demonstrated ability to render form and structure. /10


There are ten sections listed, all of which are worth ten. They give you a mark between 1 to 10 then add them all up and give you a final score out of 100.

Hope this helps. Good Luck.

[amarryth]

diseased fetus:omg.. love you soooooo much!!! are you currently in the program, or reapplying this year?

EDIT:and... what are the ten sections?

[Diseased Fetus]

I'm reapplying this year.

If you add up all of the numbered parts I listed then it makes ten all together.
Eg. There's 3 under "Drawing Skills", 2 under "Complementary Skills", 2 under "Presentation and Selection", and 3 under the Drawing Test's "Demonstrated Visual Sense". 3+2+2+3 = 10. Each section is worth 10 so that means that you're concept work is worth just as much as your ability to render form. I wish someone would have told me that last year ...

I edited it. Hopefully it makes more sense now.

[Sanby]

So is it similar in animation?

Sanby

[amarryth]

So is it similar in animation?

Sanby

i believe the animation one is a little bit more intricate, mainly because it has a much larger drawing test.. i saw a few of my friends' animation portfolio sheets and that's what i remember from it...


thanks for the edit.. now it makes more sense.. silly me....

were you in fundies '04/'05-diseased fetus?

ciao!

[Diseased Fetus]

were you in fundies '04/'05-diseased fetus?


Nope.

I'm pretty sure that last year the application sheet for animation laid out exactly how much each assignment was worth. For some reason I don't think they did that again this year. I also have my old scoring sheet from last year. If you want me to post what the scoring sheet looks like for animation I'll gladly do so.

[amarryth]

so you applied for both eh? which way are you leaning? probably animation... seems like everyone applies to both just for the hell of it and really just wants animation...

[endregan]

If by everyone applied to animation you mean some people, then yes. I applied for Illustration only. I dont think I would enjoy animation, nor was I ready for that when I applied to be honest.

Its whatever you want to do. you have to think about what you want to do after school and believe me you have to think about it earlier than you may think. Its crazy, I have only 2 more years left

[amarryth]

If by everyone applied to animation you mean some people, then yes. I applied for Illustration only. I dont think I would enjoy animation, nor was I ready for that when I applied to be honest.

Its whatever you want to do. you have to think about what you want to do after school and believe me you have to think about it earlier than you may think. Its crazy, I have only 2 more years left

yeah.. if i end up having time i might whip together an animation portfolio.. just to see since that was what i wanted to do when i was 15.. but i'm pretty sure illustration is what i want to do.. well.. kinda.. i want to get into fine arts as well, just a bit of everything i guess.. how are you finding interpretive? i have a friend in second year, he's in tech though, absolutely loves it... do you find interpretive gives a solid enough base if one was to go into fine arts, painting and drawing mainly human figures and portraits? that's another reason i'm gonna at least make a weak attempt at animation.. some of those guys make some pretty incredible life drawings.. i just want an education that will teach me alot, and in the end i will have alot of flexibility AND opportunity..

[kennygeeze]

yeah.. if i end up having time i might whip together an animation portfolio.. just to see since that was what i wanted to do when i was 15.. but i'm pretty sure illustration is what i want to do.. well.. kinda.. i want to get into fine arts as well, just a bit of everything i guess.. how are you finding interpretive? i have a friend in second year, he's in tech though, absolutely loves it... do you find interpretive gives a solid enough base if one was to go into fine arts, painting and drawing mainly human figures and portraits? that's another reason i'm gonna at least make a weak attempt at animation.. some of those guys make some pretty incredible life drawings.. i just want an education that will teach me alot, and in the end i will have alot of flexibility AND opportunity..

In both second and first year there is a drawing class 99% dedicated to full figure and portraits (interpretive illustration)... painting has a mix of still lifes and figures... usually more paintings with figures as you progress.
If you love figure drawing... there's apportunities to go 6 extra times a week (not counting your weekly class) -- possibly more if your schedule allows it.

[endregan]

Interpretive will definitely give you the tools to further your skills in drawing and painting, learning to draw from life and applying it to practical illustrations. A lot of the stuff you use and apply it, meaning basically if you seriously want more fine art you do it in your spare time in sketchbooks and painting. No matter how busy you are just do what you like, its going to show in your work if you enjoy it.

For example theres extra life drawing at night after classes. You dont have to go, but if you want to get better at life drawing and realize its crucial to understanding the figure then you would go to however extra you could manage. Dont overkill and go everyday you cant retain as much.

Whose your friend in technical? I probably know them.

Animation is definitely focused on the figure, they really go all out on anatomy which is also something you wont see teached as much in class for interpretive. You have to study this in your own time. Animation forces you to become really good at life drawing, but some guys go really crazy and go every night. One of the models put it pretty good "they act as if each line is their career on the line". Pretty funny if y ou see these guys youll know what im talking about.

[Sanby]

diseased Fetus, if you could post your animation sheet, that would be awesome.

Based on what Endregan said, is it safe to assume that they weigh figure drawing really heavily in the animation portfolio.

Sanby

[Taj]

Animation is definitely focused on the figure, they really go all out on anatomy which is also something you wont see teached as much in class for interpretive. You have to study this in your own time. Animation forces you to become really good at life drawing, but some guys go really crazy and go every night. One of the models put it pretty good "they act as if each line is their career on the line". Pretty funny if y ou see these guys youll know what im talking about.
Hey, dont make fun of us :P I plan on going everyday to the free ones at sheridan if i make it. I already go every wednesday.

[amarryth]

Interpretive will definitely give you the tools to further your skills in drawing and painting, learning to draw from life and applying it to practical illustrations. A lot of the stuff you use and apply it, meaning basically if you seriously want more fine art you do it in your spare time in sketchbooks and painting. No matter how busy you are just do what you like, its going to show in your work if you enjoy it.

For example theres extra life drawing at night after classes. You dont have to go, but if you want to get better at life drawing and realize its crucial to understanding the figure then you would go to however extra you could manage. Dont overkill and go everyday you cant retain as much.

Whose your friend in technical? I probably know them.

Animation is definitely focused on the figure, they really go all out on anatomy which is also something you wont see teached as much in class for interpretive. You have to study this in your own time. Animation forces you to become really good at life drawing, but some guys go really crazy and go every night. One of the models put it pretty good "they act as if each line is their career on the line". Pretty funny if y ou see these guys youll know what im talking about.

thanks for that.. i figured interpretive would be a good direction for me.. but i don't have to decide that yet anyway.. matt danko is my friend in tech.. i've known him since i was like eleven years old.. and yeah, i took fundies and did quite a bit of xlife.. so i've seen those crazy animators that walk out with a stack of masterpieces everynight..

ugh, but enough with my procrastinating.. it's getting near the end.. kinda scary.. and then comes march..the longest month of the year..

[Diseased Fetus]

diseased Fetus, if you could post your animation sheet, that would be awesome.


Here you go.

1. Observational Drawings
Proportion. /5
Line Quality. /5
Character Balance. /5
Sense of Volume. /5
Motion or Stillness. /5

2.a) Character Rotation
Line Quality. /2
Structure. /2
Volume. /2
Continuity of Design. /2
Presentation. /2

2.b) Action Pose
Clarity of Action. /2.5
Adherence to Design. /2.5

2.c) Expression Sheet
Intent of Expression. /5
Adherence of Design. /5

3. Household Objects
Story. /2
Structure. /2
Composition. /2
Transformation. /2
Imagination. /2

4. Room Line Drawings
Line Quality. /2
Volume - Spatial. /2
Composition. /2
Perspective. /2
Imagination. /2

5. Hand Line Drawings.
Line Quality. /2
Proportion. /2
Anatomy. /2
Perspective. /2
Performance. /2

6. Storyboarding.
Follow Narrative. /2.5
Imagination. /2.5
Communication. /2.5
Follow Character. /2.5

7. Personal Artwork.
Creativity/Imagination. /2
Versatility/Technical Ability. /2
Communication. /2
Artistic Sensibility. /2
Presentation. /2

Good Luck, hope this helps!

[Sanby]

Thanks a lot, that really does help. It gives me some direction, and things to focus on.

Sanby

[Artistic Suicide]

Hey guys,

I've decided to do a kamikaze portfolio for animation. Might as well keep my options open, ya know?

Anyway, quick question: Character rotations and expression sheet-- inked or just plain old pencil? It's faster(easier?) to get varied line quality with ink, but if pencil is better then... *shrugs*

It says that the action poses should be left rough and loose, so i'm leaving those as is.

~Blaine

[alxcote]

Pencil.

If you can: Rought underline in blue animation pencil then the last "cleanup" line in black/led pencil. No ink i don't think.

[thomasaurus]

Pencil.

If you can: Rought underline in blue animation pencil then the last "cleanup" line in black/led pencil. No ink i don't think.

Haahaha, why do I always do it the hard way? I used ink over col-erase, and got minor errors, fixed up with whiteout.

I'm putting everything together today, and going down to the assessment tomorrow, anybody else going?

[Taj]

White out :x

Yeah i chose the 28th so i guess i wont see any of you.

[Diseased Fetus]

If you've got white out and it looks somewhat sloppy then I'd consider making a photocopy of it so that the white out seems less obvious. Personally I'm too nervous whenever I ink something so I always draw stuff out in pencil first, make a photocopy of some clean pencil lines, then ink on the photocopy.

[Sanby]

Diseased Fetus: So they won't penalize me for leaving my rough underdrawing visible? Meaning, I don't need to erase it?

Sanby

[Diseased Fetus]

Diseased Fetus: So they won't penalize me for leaving my rough underdrawing visible? Meaning, I don't need to erase it?

Sanby

Hmm, I'm not really sure what you mean. I'm pretty sure they are just looking for your rough preliminary lines on just the action pose sheet. Other than that your work should be clean.
The photocopying thing I mentioned was just for inking. There's really no need to ink anything in the animation portfolio.

EDIT: Does anyone know how much visitor parking is? Usually when I visit Sheridan I park in the conveniece store across the street but I think after a while they hand out tickets if you're parked for too long because of all the Sheridan students who try to park there instead of on campus. I'm dropping my animation portfolio off tomorrow and I'm not sure where to park.

[SirGreenSock]

Hey guys, one more question about the illustration folio:
Heroic tells me that they accept digital works (printed) in the portfolio. Is this true? I just wanna make sure that it'll be considered, since I have some digi paintings I like but didnt put in since I thought it was suppose to be all traditional.
Does anyone know, or should I e-mail admissions or something?

[Artistic Suicide]

Thanks alxcote. I have my drawings done in non-repro blue with the pencil over top. So, i'll leave 'em that way.

I'm also just handing my portfolio in on Tuesday. I basically started it late Friday afternoon, so I figured I'd need the time. I just have the still lifes and hand drawings to finish up now.

Question about lifedrawings: for those drawings done on newsprint, is it acceptable to just photocopy/scan and reduce the things? Maybe fold up the originals and tuck 'em in behind? The problem is that my portfolio is only 9x12". On the other hand, I also have some 18x24" paintings, so maybe i'll just tape some boards together, and leave the drawing test in the smaller case.

Now I just need to find some strawberries and a camera....

~Blaine

[Sanby]

Hmm, I'm not really sure what you mean. I'm pretty sure they are just looking for your rough preliminary lines on just the action pose sheet. Other than that your work should be clean.
The photocopying thing I mentioned was just for inking. There's really no need to ink anything in the animation portfolio.

EDIT: Does anyone know how much visitor parking is? Usually when I visit Sheridan I park in the conveniece store across the street but I think after a while they hand out tickets if you're parked for too long because of all the Sheridan students who try to park there instead of on campus. I'm dropping my animation portfolio off tomorrow and I'm not sure where to park.

Sorry man, that was aimed at alxcote. He said to do stuff in Animators blue and then go over it in good with pencil.

sanby

[Kdeezy]

Hey guys, one more question about the illustration folio:
Heroic tells me that they accept digital works (printed) in the portfolio. Is this true? I just wanna make sure that it'll be considered, since I have some digi paintings I like but didnt put in since I thought it was suppose to be all traditional.
Does anyone know, or should I e-mail admissions or something?



THEY SURE AS HELL BETTER ACCEPT DIGITAL STUFF!!!!!!!! lol otherwise im screwed!

can someone confirm?


personally i dont see why they wouldnt seeing how they ask for 5 pieces of ur own.

[thomasaurus]

EDIT: Does anyone know how much visitor parking is? Usually when I visit Sheridan I park in the conveniece store across the street but I think after a while they hand out tickets if you're parked for too long because of all the Sheridan students who try to park there instead of on campus. I'm dropping my animation portfolio off tomorrow and I'm not sure where to park.

Whenever I visit (couple open houses), I parked in the visitor's area, and found no charge. If there was a fee.. I never saw it.

When are you registering your portfolio? I imagine we could meet for a mini CAorg sketch session during the assessment.

Christ, I need to get to bed.

[SirGreenSock]

We should definitely organize a sketch session. Heroic and me are coming on the Saturday, though not sure what time. We should all decide to meet in a single area since were probably all arriving at different times.
When I was at the open house I hung out with some other people in the hallway with the technical illustration student's work. It had these elevated seats/bench things on the side, and was close to the food places. I think its also very close to the other illustration student's work so we can browse that too.

[amarryth]

THEY SURE AS HELL BETTER ACCEPT DIGITAL STUFF!!!!!!!! lol otherwise im screwed!

can someone confirm?


personally i dont see why they wouldnt seeing how they ask for 5 pieces of ur own.

they prefer traditional but i'm pretty sure they do accept digital.. it's not like they're gonna just not let you based on that... for animation your optional pieces are only worth 10% anyway.. for illustration.. i wouldn't put in an entire digital portfolio.. first year is mainly traditional and if all your experience is with computers, it doesn't display that you will be able to successfully complete the program, does it?

good luck guys.. i've got soo much work to do before friday... oy...

is anyone gonna go to the open house in april? i went two years ago and loved it so i might go again if anyone wants to have a meet up and sketch day or something.. the campus is beautiful once things start growing again..

ciao!

[Diseased Fetus]

When are you registering your portfolio? I imagine we could meet for a mini CAorg sketch session during the assessment.


Sorry, I didn't catch this until it was too late otherwise I would've been up for a mini sketch session.

I'd love to get in on a sketch session for the Illustration assessment but I'm registered for Friday and I don't think too many other people here are.

[amarryth]

Sorry, I didn't catch this until it was too late otherwise I would've been up for a mini sketch session.

I'd love to get in on a sketch session for the Illustration assessment but I'm registered for Friday and I don't think too many other people here are.

dude, i'm signed up for friday.. i've been trying to think of what i'm going to do.. i'm probably going to go to the info session even though i've been to so many already.. but i'll be in otown for the day so yeah.. let me know what you think....

[Kdeezy]

quick question. for the storyboarding do u have to use the tiny storyboard that is provided with the schools PDF file?


yea yea i know im a slacker.

[Sanby]

Ok this is important. I am deciding which lifedrawing to put in. I have 1 more finished figure drawing that I am putting in my optional section. Then I have a bunch of 5 minute/gesture stuff that I was going to put into the drawing test. I have about 3 gestures per piece of large newsprint. My teacher mounted three pieces of newsprint onto a piece of black paper. Can I submit that as a single piece? Meaning, can I put 3 of those in without being penalized? 3 pieces of paper, but there are 7 figured in total I think. Or, should I just be putting in three figures, cutting them out or something? Sorry for the long reply, I'm a little frazzled.

Sanby

[Taj]

I cut mine out just to be safe.

Are you going tomorrow Sanby?

[Sanby]

Yeah I am going tomorrow. What about you guys who have already done it? If I can get away with not cutting them out, then I would rather do that, because they can see more.

Sanby

[amarryth]

Ok this is important. I am deciding which lifedrawing to put in. I have 1 more finished figure drawing that I am putting in my optional section. Then I have a bunch of 5 minute/gesture stuff that I was going to put into the drawing test. I have about 3 gestures per piece of large newsprint. My teacher mounted three pieces of newsprint onto a piece of black paper. Can I submit that as a single piece? Meaning, can I put 3 of those in without being penalized? 3 pieces of paper, but there are 7 figured in total I think. Or, should I just be putting in three figures, cutting them out or something? Sorry for the long reply, I'm a little frazzled.

Sanby

ok.. which program are you applying for? i'm guessing animation cause you really wouldn't want to put anything in the portfolio that they didn't ask for.. if you have three human drawings for the animation drawing test on one sheet.. that will count as the three drawings.. if you put in seven they might either not look at all of them or penalize you for not putting in exactly what they asked for.. since it said right on the portfolio requirements sheet to submit ONLY what has been requested. hope that helps..

anyone out wanting to rant about portfolios.. add me to msn: kagithink@gmail.com

my ibook is my only friend during this frustrating week.. i've put myself under house arrest in my room with a couple bottles of water and some music-

ciao/all

[SirGreenSock]

hey prefer traditional but i'm pretty sure they do accept digital.. it's not like they're gonna just not let you based on that... for animation your optional pieces are only worth 10% anyway.. for illustration.. i wouldn't put in an entire digital portfolio.. first year is mainly traditional and if all your experience is with computers, it doesn't display that you will be able to successfully complete the program, does it?

good luck guys.. i've got soo much work to do before friday... oy...

is anyone gonna go to the open house in april? i went two years ago and loved it so i might go again if anyone wants to have a meet up and sketch day or something.. the campus is beautiful once things start growing again..
Cool, I was only thinking of puttin one or maybe two digital pics in, just wanted to make sure they wouldnt penalize or antything.
Also, do they want us to label individual drawings? Like at least say the medium or something, or is it unnecessary?

I do plan on going to the open house in April, would love to meet with some of you guys and sketch!

[amarryth]

labelling stuff isn't necessary.. i guess that kind of stuff is at your discretion.. i haven't decided yet whether i will or not..

open house.. i'm there.. so you can count me in.. we'll round up some other potential first years.. and we'll know by then! eek! lol.. just warning you first timers.. march is the LONGEST MONTH EVER.... *sigh*

back to talking to taj!

[Kdeezy]

For those who are gonna be there all day tomorrow.......... yall wanna meet up somewhere and just relax, talk w/e cuz dunno about u guys but i sure could use some relaxing:D.

[Sanby]

ok.. which program are you applying for? i'm guessing animation cause you really wouldn't want to put anything in the portfolio that they didn't ask for.. if you have three human drawings for the animation drawing test on one sheet.. that will count as the three drawings.. if you put in seven they might either not look at all of them or penalize you for not putting in exactly what they asked for.. since it said right on the portfolio requirements sheet to submit ONLY what has been requested. hope that helps..

anyone out wanting to rant about portfolios.. add me to msn: kagithink@gmail.com

my ibook is my only friend during this frustrating week.. i've put myself under house arrest in my room with a couple bottles of water and some music-

ciao/all

that is what I was thinking. My teacher is more into fine arts, and more modern art :blah: :blah: And she doesnt always seem to give the best advice.

Sanby

[thomasaurus]

Now the wait begins! I'm told they give out your mark result results pretty soon, less than two weeks right? Either way, I'll be attending Sheridan in September, got my Art Fundies acceptance letter a few days ago. I'll probably go to the April info session, so I'll see you guys there.

[Taj]

How Clean should my Characters turn arounds be. SHould i leave no under structure, or just whatever.

[Kdeezy]

Now the wait begins! I'm told they give out your mark result results pretty soon, less than two weeks right? Either way, I'll be attending Sheridan in September, got my Art Fundies acceptance letter a few days ago. I'll probably go to the April info session, so I'll see you guys there.

how did u get acceptence for fundies so early?

[thomasaurus]

how did u get acceptence for fundies so early?

Um I applied pretty early... I think beginning of December, and got in the admissions cog machine early on, not too sure on that...

[amarryth]

well... you won't hear about illustration or animation until march 31 unless you're an international student.. it's possible you might hear a bit before the end of the month.. but it's not gonnna be like next week or anything-

[Kdeezy]

Um I applied pretty early... I think beginning of December, and got in the admissions cog machine early on, not too sure on that...


i applied in december aswell........... uhhhhh i hope my damn highschool sent all my damn marks!! more probs for me.

[amarryth]

i applied in december aswell........... uhhhhh i hope my damn highschool sent all my damn marks!! more probs for me.

if you are still a high school student you won't recieve an acceptance until march 31 or later.. have you checked your accessheridan account? you might have an acceptance on there.. if not..just wait another month.. i can almost guarantee you'll get into fundies if you graduate..

what else did you apply to?

[Kdeezy]

oh ok lol, had me all worried there, fundies and animation @ sheridan...... and animation @ seneca for my backup :D....... now back to the portfolio!!!!!!!!

[thomasaurus]

well... you won't hear about illustration or animation until march 31 unless you're an international student.. it's possible you might hear a bit before the end of the month.. but it's not gonnna be like next week or anything-

Really? I asked one of the info students, and she told me that... my concern was because I need to get my acceptance response for Fundies into OCAS before March 9th, and I wouldnt hear from my portfolio results until after that

[Kdeezy]

Really? I asked one of the info students, and she told me that... my concern was because I need to get my acceptance response for Fundies into OCAS before March 9th, and I wouldnt hear from my portfolio results until after that



well ........... march 9th is a good week or so away..... better have a talk with my damn counselor, thanks guys.

[SirGreenSock]

Hello Nikola,

NO digital work is accepted in the portfolio of the Bachelor of Applied Arts, Illustration, program. All work has to be freehand. Please read all the instructions very carefully, as the portfolio is an integral part of the applicants selection.

Thank you,
Contact Centre

:(

Oh well, lots of other work to choose from.

[amarryth]

:(

Oh well, lots of other work to choose from.

good thing i didn't plan on putting any in.. it's getting near the end and i have almost every last hour planned out...

[Taj]

omfg, my jaw dropped when the girl told me that she didnt want a sketch book for animation.

[Sanby]

Ok, my anmation portfolio is finished. I have to say, this whole thing is rather anti-climactic. I mean, you spend all this time working to the last minute, and then your drop it off, wait too many hours to count, and then they give it back without a word. O well, atleast I got to pretend like I was a Sheridan student, by curling up in a corner on some benches and sleeping.

When do we get to see the marking sheets? Is it before the acceptance letters get sent out? If that is they case, will it give us a good indication if we have been accepted or not? Is the cutoff the same every year?

O, I also had to fun talking to a second year animation student who was really cool, bu tI can't remember his name. Anyway, he said he was one mark below the cutoff but appealed the decision. How does that work?

Sanby

[amarryth]

Ok, my anmation portfolio is finished. I have to say, this whole thing is rather anti-climactic. I mean, you spend all this time working to the last minute, and then your drop it off, wait too many hours to count, and then they give it back without a word. O well, atleast I got to pretend like I was a Sheridan student, by curling up in a corner on some benches and sleeping.

When do we get to see the marking sheets? Is it before the acceptance letters get sent out? If that is they case, will it give us a good indication if we have been accepted or not? Is the cutoff the same every year?

O, I also had to fun talking to a second year animation student who was really cool, bu tI can't remember his name. Anyway, he said he was one mark below the cutoff but appealed the decision. How does that work?

Sanby


the marking sheets you need to fill out a request for.. you can do that on the floor above the place where you pay your fees and such.. they'll either mail it to you or you can pick it up but i'm pretty sure it won't be until after you find out if you're in the program or not.. the appeal thing, usually it's fundies students doing that, they get really good marks in the course but for some reason their portfolio gets a poor score.. or if you saw someone's portfolio that got into the program and your stuff is comparable or better.. there's lots of different reasons you can use to fight your refusal for admission.. but your score better be pretty close to the cut off or you're wasting your time.. i would have appealed my score last year if i didn't get such terrible marks in fundies (it starts off easy then the work piles up out of nowhere).. so yeah.. good luck guys.. if it makes you feel any better.. i'm pretty sure they have their decisions made for the most part by the end of today or sometime this week... it's very very cruel and unusual and UNNECESSARY punishment.. hah...

EDIT: oh, and the cutoff is different every year.. not every year brings in the same amount and level of talent, so it's the top 100 or so scoring students that get in.. if there's alot of competition you might need something crazy like 75 or 80% on portfolios.. let's hope not-