Sheridan Information Please!

[darth massacre]

Yeah I was kinda disappointed at the displays. They didn't even show the best stuff for Anatomy or Object Drawing and sorta had okay stuff for everything else. Plus the life drawing maestro from our intake is actually jumping over to Animation next semester so it'll be a loss.

No biggie though...we still have Endregan...and myself........





oh and the rest....



LOL Just kidding guys.

[alxcote]

No biggie though...we still have Endregan...and myself........

:rolleyes:

hehe

so how are you guys doing so far for the summer.. im bored.

Man, now that im gone, i cant wait for next year..and all my new 1st year minions!!! muehehe..(by the way, for those who didnt know yet, im Satan..but you can call me Supreme overlord of the universe if you get to become my buddy.)

:wink:

[Rah]

I haven't even gone to school there and I can't wait till it starts. :P I'm totally excited to move away from home and to do art all the time.

[this_is_du]

are you going for illsutration, animation or fundies?

[Rah]

are you going for illsutration, animation or fundies?

Fundies, then...I dunno whut I'm doing after that, hopefully one of the other two.

[endregan]

:rolleyes:

hehe

so how are you guys doing so far for the summer.. im bored.

Man, now that im gone, i cant wait for next year..and all my new 1st year minions!!! muehehe..(by the way, for those who didnt know yet, im Satan..but you can call me Supreme overlord of the universe if you get to become my buddy.)

:wink:

Hey you know were missing ya.

Come join us at the sheridan forum http://www.visiblesurface.com/sheridan/. We could use an animator to sacrifice for our next meal!!! :D

How is the Toba these days? Well I guess you said boring :D. Are you working this summer ?

[alxcote]

Hey you know were missing ya.

Come join us at the sheridan forum http://www.visiblesurface.com/sheridan/. We could use an animator to sacrifice for our next meal!!! :D

How is the Toba these days? Well I guess you said boring :D. Are you working this summer ?

Yeah ill be working.. somewhere shitty and not well paid.

And i joined the forum, wait till i take over that forum and make it mine!!!!..oh and for my fellow animators. muaha. >:D

[endregan]

Uh oh the animation swarm begins. Come on Illustrators, if you havent already posted get crackin lol.

Working somewhere shitty and underpaid eh....Yeah im currently looking around. I may end up doing the same as you though :D.

[Rah]

So is it the 16th or the 17th of May that we can phone in and find out if we're into residence?

[TPhilipT]

does anyone know what medium yoji shinkawa used for these art works for metal gear

http://www.naimoka.com/image.php3?image=arts2/shinkawa/mgs/illus/04.jpg
http://www.naimoka.com/image.php3?image=arts2/shinkawa/mgs/nb/01.jpg
http://www.naimoka.com/image.php3?image=arts2/shinkawa/mgs2/arts/8.jpg
http://www.naimoka.com/image.php3?image=arts2/shinkawa/mgs3/06.jpg
and is portfolio developement class worth taking if you want to get in illustration

[endregan]

rah- whenever they tell you to phone. I never applied to res. Try both days!

phillip- looks like ink and gouache? I would definitely take the portfolio development course. You get a lot of time to work on your portfolio and get newer pieces done.

["ChEsTeR"]

philip - if youre looking to apply to sheridan for illustration, i wouldnt take the portfolio development course. to apply all you need is to draw a few drawings and send them in.

[this_is_du]

i never took the portfolio development but i do recommend it

just cause all artist are procrashinators naturally :dead:
ok...fine...some of us aren't but most are...i know i am!!!

by taking the portfolio development course you'll get more pieces done and chances are you'll improve your artwork too...so you'll improve your chances of getting in!!!

[5frames]

Hello everyone,

My names Jeremy. I will be attending Sheridan for art funds in september as well - maybe I'll end up meeting some of you! - I just sent off my acceptance letter an hour ago (I can't wait to go, HS sucks). Rah are you in a streamed art fundamentals, or regular? Personally I wasnt even good enough for the streamed animation fund so Im regular... 31/100 on my portfolio! BRUTAL!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, if someone's gotten into animation, can you show me a part of your portfolio? I'd love to see it, thanks.

[Rah]

Hello everyone,

My names Jeremy. I will be attending Sheridan for art funds in september as well - maybe I'll end up meeting some of you! - I just sent off my acceptance letter an hour ago (I can't wait to go, HS sucks). Rah are you in a streamed art fundamentals, or regular? Personally I wasnt even good enough for the streamed animation fund so Im regular... 31/100 on my portfolio! BRUTAL!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, if someone's gotten into animation, can you show me a part of your portfolio? I'd love to see it, thanks.

I'm in regular fundies, I didn't even bother applying to animation or illustration...I know I really need to fine-tune my skillz first. So I'll prolly see you there! :) If you use msn, add me! :P lol

[HuB]

Oh, if someone's gotten into animation, can you show me a part of your portfolio? I'd love to see it, thanks.

alxcote is an animation dude - check his sketchbook thread. i think he's in second year there.

I got accepted to animation for this fall. since I haven't started yet, I'm way behind the guys who are already there, but you can look at my sketchthread for some of the stuff I used in my portfolio application.

[Artistic Suicide]

Hey everyone,

It's been a while and the school is starting to confuse me. The people i've been talking to have been telling me different things. Maybe it's just because i've been talking to women...i'm sure most of us guys know that they like to mess with our heads. :wink:

Apparently, there are still some openings in the general art fundies program for the fall term. I was told before that I could only apply for the winter term. Now, i've been told I can apply for both at the same time. *shakes head* So, I might be seeing some of you guys this september. If not, then, most likely, in January.

If I do get accepted for this fall, i'm going to have to buy some things, find a place to live, and a bunch of other stuff...we'll see.

~Blaine

[Rah]

Apparently, there are still some openings in the general art fundies program for the fall term. I was told before that I could only apply for the winter term. Now, i've been told I can apply for both at the same time. *shakes head* So, I might be seeing some of you guys this september. If not, then, most likely, in January.



Well I do beleive the sheridan website says on it's main page "it's not too soon: register for fall 2005" so i would think u still cal...and i've heard they accept ppl until reaaaalllly late for fundies

["ChEsTeR"]

Are there lots of hot bitches up there???

[endregan]

Well I am there so....yeah there is at least one.

[darth massacre]

But I think they'll go for guys who don't call them "hot bitches" >:D

[alxcote]

Well I am there so....yeah there is at least one.


Yeah but you're mine so.. guess you pervs are gonna have to pass on.

:wink:

[Qian Wang]

hey,guys. Does anyone know how many students will be there in art fundie(animation) this fall? I wanna make a list here so that we could know each other in advance :rendered: .

me first: :wink:
family name : wang
given name: qian
gender: female
country: china

[endregan]

Yeah but you're mine so.. guess you pervs are gonna have to pass on.

:wink:

Keep it on the lo down alex!!!!1

[Moiss]

Hey, Guys it's been a while........how's everybody's summer?

Anyway, I just posted my last pictures on my sketchbook thread, so any comments and critiques would be very useful for me........thanks.... :}

[darth massacre]

How's summer? TOO FRIKIN HOT.



It'd still be too hot here in Singapore even if you peeled off your skin. :bashful:



But hey, its home, so I'm not complaining.

[Rah]

Hey Everybody Out There In Sheridan Land!
Who all has applied to Residence for this year?

[Hexal]

Man, a part of me really wants summer to be over and school start up again. im soo bored

[endregan]

Ryan. Get a full time job, that ought to keep ya busy enough... :D.

[Moiss]

I gotta start to draw more............ urghhh...... summer is killing me.......I almost forgot how to draw...................

Why don't you guys post more often your works...... I'll be posting mine too.... just to kill most of time....it's better than doing nothing......

[endregan]

whats wrong with you lazy bastardss!!!

Get a job and draw. stop complaining you have too much free time lol

[Hexal]

Lol i do have a job D:
but im so counterproductive D: i need somesort of class!! A CLASS DAMNIT!.....
do you know if theres a life drawing class in the school through the summer D: thats what im really looking for i think.

[Nayuki]

I've still been working on some art since school finished.. tho it's been rather slow.. (not only do i work slow.. but I have a fulltime day job @__@;; )

anyhow.. u can have a look at my stuff at my devart site if you guys are interested :)

http://nayuki-chan.deviantart.com

mostly my non-school stuff.. tho if ur really curious.. i put some of my life drawing in my scraps section ^^;;;

ah.. I'm going crazy working on prints to sell at an anime convention that's coming up soon.. (i'm running out of time)..so back to work ..! :O

[TPhilipT]

artists are never bored, life is boring only if you are..... congradulations to all those who got in their desired programs....i didn't get into illustration....does anyone know when they send you a letter, i didn't get a letter from sheridan yet?

[darth massacre]

Actually I beg to differ.

Boredom breeds creativity.

Artists are probably some of the people in the world who gets bored too fast. That's why there's always a need to come up with something new and interesting to keep artists occupied.



To be honest, I never believed boredom breeds creativity until I went to the army. The hours spent waiting for the assault to take place can drive anyone insane. The next best thing to sleeping while waiting for the go order, is to pull pranks on others. And its wierd how creative people can get when they're bored.

[Rah]

Booo, I didn't get into res. Time to look for a place to live, unfortunatly I have to do that this weekend. >:{

[tweak_hp]

ditto

[this_is_du]

you two can like...hook up and find a place together
haha

[darth massacre]

You guys can check out housing here:

Sheridan Housing (http://www.places4students.com/School.asp?schoolid=19)

That's where Endregan directed me when looking for a place. Trickier coz I live like....half a world away :D Found a pretty good place though.

Well girls can apply with me >:D...OR Endregan (they got a spare room) but in my case we gotta share beds :p











Joke in bad taste...........good luck with housing.

[this_is_du]

welll...i didn't get in the design program at York/Sheridan

so looks like i'll be going to Sheridan for Illustration or OCAD for 2D Design

i just have a question though...would it be possible to switch to the Design program in September when i'm at Sheridan's Illustration?

[Rah]

Woowoo! I got a place today! On Orsett St. :} I can't wait until I move in!

[Beavis]

how do you know if you didnt get into residences?

[Rah]

how do you know if you didnt get into residences?

I just called and asked.

[Moiss]

Hey Guys, checkout upcoming game Hellgate London, the cinematic trailer....created by Blur Studio...really awesome.....no wonder...IT"S BLUR!!!!

Just to put away your boredom during summer if you're doing nothing....:D

[Beavis]

Are there any other resorses for finding a place to stay other than this link Sheridan Housing ) I dont live near by so i cant realy go to pick one out in person.

[TPhilipT]

Actually the way I see it is, if people are bored then they are dull people and it's there fault for feeling bored. If your an idealist or has a broad imagination, then thats enough to replace boredom. There's far too many things in life to do. Life is too short to be bored.

[darth massacre]

Mmm, I'm not bored....Just too busy lazing around :bashful:


Yeah and just got a new batch of freelance jobs today.


PAINTBALL THIS SUNDAY
ULTIMATE NEXT SUNDAY

[Jdalley]

Hey everyone... Very interesting thread on a great school! congrats to all those who've been excepted and found housing and whatnot! ...now... None of you know me, but I've got some statements and questions that will hopefully evoke some advice from you guys (as I assume most of you are either in school or going there:P).

Ok where to start... well. I've always been an artistic person, creativity comes easy to me. When I sit down to draw, if I don't have an idea in my head for a character or something specific and recognizable to draw, I draw random and complex shapes/patterns using whatever techniques I seem to have taught myself.

http://www.jeffdalley.com/randomness.jpg

And besides the fact that my computer's hard drive crashed+fried a couple months ago, I've been able to find a few tidbits of my leftover art on friend's computers and such and I've compiled a little website to show somewhat where I stand with my art. My Site (http://www.jeffdalley.com)

I had always wanted to go into Post-Secondary as an Artist in one form or another, but I was pressured into going for University as opposed to traditional art colleges. So I ended up applying to York University here in Toronto, as well as Ryerson University. I applied to a 4 year BFA degree in both and was accepted to York and put on a waiting list at Ryerson. But upon visiting the schools and learning more about their programs, I've decided I'm not quite sure that spending 4 years in a program where only half my classes are art-based is what I'm looking for. SO, even if I have to wait another half a year to go to College, I'm determined to do so.

As for what exactly I want to accomplish coming out of Post-Secondary. Well.. I love Art, and I love technology, I would love to be in a mixed media environment. As well as I have always hoped my chosen career path would lead me into an ever-changing and developing industry like Entertainment (gaming, visual effects, films), as I find if I'm not learning something every day, I feel useless :P I may not post so much but I soak up a lot of information both here and at places like cgnetworks.com.

After all that, my purpose behind this post may seem vague, so I'll narrow it down. What I really want in any sort of a response from you guys and gals, is advice as to whether or not it's important which art school I attend, and which program I take at that school. I mean, should it be more important how good my portfolio is as opposed to what school I went to? or is the school itself (and its reputation in the industry) an important deciding factor in attaining jobs later on.

Thanks for any and all advice you may throw my way.
See ya around,
~Jeff

[Chяis]

I was going to sign up for Sheridan but I really don't think I'll get accepted. I did all my art training on my own and now I've had the urge to be an animator when I'm older but I only have 9 - 10 art and the rest was all on my own and I can't take any more art credits unless I come back for a year of high school to get 11 - 12.

Well that's just my rant, I hope I can work this out.

[darth massacre]

I mean, should it be more important how good my portfolio is as opposed to what school I went to? or is the school itself (and its reputation in the industry) an important deciding factor in attaining jobs later on.
Jeff: I can't speak for everyone on this thread or attending Sheridan but most of us are students and most likely we're asking the same questions.

I've had some work experience before and I can tell you having a good portfolio is only the beginning. Schools give us 2 things (there's a thread on this in the Lounge section regarding art schools and its importance). It gives us skillsets and contacts. Naturally having a reputable school with reputable teachers from the industry will help open doors but you still have to get to know people on your own. Most likely your contacts would come from your classmates.

Simply put. If you are damn good, but have no friends....or if you have tonnes of friends but can't draw to save your life....you're not going anywhere no matter which school you come from. Both are important.

[Jdalley]

Darth Massacre: Thanks for the advice, and it does make a lot of sense. As for contacts, I have the business cards of people in the advertising and digital multimedia industry. I have them because I work part time for an office moving and installation company in downtown Toronto, and I get the chance to move a lot of Art-Based companies - and so I end up telling myself "man I have to talk to these people..." and I always do, it's become a habbit of mine to make myself known if only for the day. So I suppose that's a start, right? heh

Now I have a question that's gonna require some honesty - I have two choices right now if I decide to come to Sheridan. I can either take Art Fundamentals (since illustration/animation) is obviously filled for September :P, and work through that for a year to create my portfolio for 2006. Or... I could decide to go for Illustration in January... and spend months on my portfolio from home. The only thing you guys would have to go on for this question is my website,Website (http://www.jeffdalley.com), and there's not much on there.. so any kind of vague answer from you Sheridan Guru's will work for me, heh.

Thanks in advance,
~Jeff

[darth massacre]

I don't think there's a Jan intake for Sheridan's Animation or Illustration programs. Only September starts.


I'd try for Illustration/animation via portfolio submissions if I were you. Alex would be able to give you a better idea regarding animation portfolio submissions.

[alxcote]

Honesty : From what I've seen in your website, you need to improve in order to get in Animation. You're not bad.. I'm just saying there are things you need to improve on. And I knew that just from looking at a few pictures.

Now as for portfolio's and school choices.. Art Fundamentals isn't that great, you probably will end up skipping classes, not doing to much work because it's a lazy program. BUT.. it's all about how much YOU challenge yourself. That stuff you can also do from home or in another school. All I can tell you is give everything you got to improve untill next year,push yourself in all mediums/creations and you should be good to get in any program Illustration or/ Animation.

Seriously like people always think going in thisandthat programs will make THE diffrence when actualy it's all about what you do on your spare time. (some people may say that Art fundamentals gives you a "step in", but thats very relative)

That's my opinion, i'm sure others may think differently but thats my 2cent worth about sheridan and portfolios.

Once it's time to submit it, it's seriously 50/50. As in i've seen people with great art skills get shut down and people that were "ok" get in right off the bat. So I've been surprised with the portfolios evaluations. But like i said.. challenge yourself and you should be good..

hope that helped

alex

[Jdalley]

Thanks a lot Darth & Alx. Appreciate the feedback. And I think you're right darth, there is only a september start.

Alxcote: "You're not bad.. I'm just saying there are things you need to improve on. And I knew that just from looking at a few pictures."

Heh, you can be more harsh than that, I can take any amount of criticism - the more someone bashes my work, the more I learn, it's great. Ok.. I definately understood/agreed with all you said after thinking about it for a bit, but I'm left wondering two things - What exactly are the areas I need to improve most in, and what would be the biggest step towards improving those areas in my plethora of free time (IE: Life drawing classes once in awhile to pick up some skills, or should I go 100% solo and draw nonstop all the time, teaching myself what I need to know).

Those are opinion questions I know, but if you get the chance sometime, love to hear what you think.

Thanks,
~Jeff

[Artistic Suicide]

Well, I found out yesterday that I was accepted into the fall Art Fundamentals.

Now, I have to find a place to stay, so, my question is, how did you guys that live out of town(i.e. not able to actually go and view places) go about finding a place?

Much thanks in advance.

~Blaine

[darth massacre]

Mmm

I took a gamble, shortlisted some numbers and called. Partly because I lived 12 time zones away from Toronto. Don't think you can really get a good idea unless you visit youself. Of course there's the other option of going into Rez but I think you'd be on waiting list now (Rez isn't that great and it costs more).

Check out that Sheridan SU site on housing...there's one room for you in there....somewhere....but yeah not many places are great...most are trainwrecks so errr....well PM me if you need some ideas where to look. Else its kinda like a lottery.

[aico003]

Wow, been a longass time since I've been around here. So, for a quick summary, I ended up missing Illustration, but I got into Fundamentals Illustration, which is exactly what I need.. a year to get my act together because at this point I really don't think I could handle a serious program. Didn't make it into residence, I think I'm like 300something on the list so I'm gonna go up and look for an apartment at some point in July maybe. Hopefully I get a job this summer so that I don't starve next year, and I gotta get back to those lifedrawing sessions too.. bah. See you people next year, eh? Have a nice summer everyone.

["ChEsTeR"]

yea its a real gamble trying to find a place if you dont live there. what if it smells rank, and theres no place to draw, and you dont have a desk. If theres a lease you can't get out of it too. i never thought of an apartment tho, around how much are thoes?

[tweak_hp]

oh man..done high school forever and its almost time to move to oakville..i am excited...i wanna know who my housemates will be tho...anyone here get a room at 39 McCraney? probly not...but i can't wait till moving day

[endregan]

aico- Oh you entered the program that is now 2 years of fundies? I am hoping it is a great course, they just started this and it seems like a good idea for those serious to get into the programs and makes the students and teachers jobs easier as they are focussed to where they want to go.

chester- 1 bedroom apartments are really expensive. Best way to go is 3 bed room apartment with some people you know if you go that way. Make sure you look at the places and go around Oakville. Call different buildings and look on sheridans housing, some people look for roomies you might find some cool people.

tweak - i know the feeling. McCraney, how far is that from the school ? Anyways good luck.

[aico003]

Illustration fundamentals is still a one year course, it just has programs that are more focused on illustration than the normal fundamentals program does. Kind of like I didn't quite pull it off this year but after a year to get my shit together I'll probably be good for illustration. Perfect for me though, really. After high school I'm not really in the right frame of mind to actually be doing work and trying hard and such.

The way I understand it is that they have a few programs that are the same as fundamentals and then some more advanced and focused ones.. same deal for the animation one but with that instead of the illustration ones. I actually got a paper comparing the course load for the 3 but I'm not exactly sure where anything really is.

[darth massacre]

tweak - i know the feeling. McCraney, how far is that from the school ? Anyways good luck.
McCraney is the street we have to drive into to reach your Queens Ave apartment you dopehead :p (can you believe I'm neighbours with this guy?) hehehehehe.


aico: The less you know about the courses the better. Of course you need an idea what's going to happen. But don't get caught up in reading too much into the syllabus because it can be very different from what you expect. Once you expect too much and get disappointed you will then only frustrate yourself. Relax and enjoy your summer. School is school, then there's everything else.

[tweak_hp]

ya...McCraney goes from Trafalgar to a bit past Sixth Line, i think...i'm about a 15 minute walk from the school....anyone know when schedules go up on access sheridan?

[JJH]

2 weeks before school?
i want to know too..

and when do i get to choose my electives!?

i can't wait until school! >:|

[endregan]

2 weeks before school?
i want to know too..

and when do i get to choose my electives!?

i can't wait until school! >:|


electives...what electives! You get what your given boy!!!!

P.S. Floor wars at our apartment building woo

[tweak_hp]

questions for the seasoned sheridan pros out there...so what should i pick up before i move...for fundies, is there anything i should get that doesn't come in the kit they give out (art supplies and junk)?...any suggestions for stuff for my house?..wut do i need to make sure i have?..any specific items that i might not think of that you found really good to have while away from home?

[Hexal]

They seem to change the kit every year it would seem, so you cant really tell till you get there and get one. But the only thing i have to get was gouache in teh primary colours, red blue yellow. thats about all i can remeber from the begining, ofcourse through out the year you have to get more stuff here and there, markers and such.

[darth massacre]

Oh shit...what's my Access Sheridan Password!?

[alxcote]

Oh shit...what's my Access Sheridan Password!?


hah................

[Rah]

Hey, I'm just wondering does my highskool send Sheridan thing thing for my OSSD or do I have to take care of it myself? Because on AccessSheridan it says that it is stil outstanding. :\

[Hexal]

you should have to, i didnt, it just might take them awhile to get it out there. Maybe you want to call your school to be like 100% sure though.

[aico003]

Alright, so it seems I'm driving up there later on this week (wednesday or thursdayish) to find a place to be living and such. Any advice on places I should be sure to look at/avoid? I'm sure I'll be able to find something eventually but there seems to be quite a few places about the school so having a place to start could be nice.

Aside from that I think everything should be straightened out by now.. heh, just have to be getting a bit more money together so that I can eat next year. Yes, eating is good.

[alxcote]

Alright, so it seems I'm driving up there later on this week (wednesday or thursdayish) to find a place to be living and such. Any advice on places I should be sure to look at/avoid? I'm sure I'll be able to find something eventually but there seems to be quite a few places about the school so having a place to start could be nice.

Aside from that I think everything should be straightened out by now.. heh, just have to be getting a bit more money together so that I can eat next year. Yes, eating is good.

if you want to save some pennies those are the price id look for:

apartment/house with others: 200$ to 300$/month

house with landlord: 350$ to 400$ (with food add 100$) so 500$/month

if you get anything higher than that.. i sure hope it includes pool + free booze on weekends or else look elsewhere. Alot of people have higher than that but that's cuz they don't look enough/lazy or at the last second.

so be smart about it and try to find something cheap, oakville is pricy and you feel it by the end of the year.

(i pay 500$ month with food included)

alx

[tweak_hp]

so uh...wuts everyone up to this summer..almost time to get to oakville...can't wait..this thread has been dead for quite sometime, i thought i'd try to get it movin again

[darth massacre]

Don't remind me.....I don't want to be reminded of the 20+ hours flight to Canada nor the amount of chores I have to do at the apartment......argh...

[CoreyPierce]

hey guys, if any of you future or current Sheridan students are looking for a roommate, or have friends who are.... we just had a room open up... you or your friend could live with a couple Illustration grads who could give you tips/help, etc... on top of that, its a really cheap place, especially by oakville standards.

to vouch for my identity, my website is http://www.corey-pierce.com

yeah, i'm sorry to troll for a roommate here, but i was already a member before and thought this could be a good opportunity for someone... please email me through the contact info on my site if you want more info.

[Hexal]

Personaly for me school cant start soon enough :nohope:

[Moiss]

.....I don't want to be reminded of the 20+ hours flight...

.....SIGH...... :zzz:

[Qian Wang]

hey,guys.My ticket is at 13:20pm on Aug.24. So exciting! >:D 'll fly 13 hours :\

[alxcote]

i leave september 4th weee.

[aico003]

Well half of me is looking forwards to getting to Sheridan and the hell out of New Hampshire.. it's gonna suck to be a 9 hour drive away from this girl without any manner of car though :S. I'm still not totally sure when I'm going to drive up there, though.. it's looking like the 29th so that I'm there for orientation (is it necessary to go to?), though even if I don't go it would probably be the 1st since I need to get to a government building for my social insurance number, which wouldna be open for labour day I guess. Though I suppose I could just hope I get a nice long break somewhere in my schedule, eh?

[Rah]

I'm gonna be moving in on the 28th.

[Artistic Suicide]

Hey guys, long time.

I found a nice place on Pen Street, I believe it was, and will most likely be moving down on the 1st. I was probably a bit reckless, taking the place sight-unseen(kinda surprised the landlady on that one), but the price was right and i'm adaptable. ;) My dad's just going to drive me down and leave shortly after as my sister's wedding is on the 3rd. It's about a seven-hour drive.

I guess i'll be seeing some of you in a couple weeks.

~Blaine

[alxcote]

I was probably a bit reckless, taking the place sight-unseen

uh oh..

[this_is_du]

is anyone going to the orientation???

i looked at teh pamphlet they sent me today and it doesnt seem useful at all

is there any point of going???

[Qian Wang]

:\ Hi,does anyone has any hint about what material we need to prepare for Art Fundie(animation). I am planing to buy some here in China. I have bought pencils. what's more? Marks or pigments? thanks :dead:

[aico003]

If I remember correctly, people were saying that you get some sort of kit full of supplys for art fundamentals. Unfortunately since Illustration and Animation Fundamentals are new programs, there's no way to know for certain what we'll be needing or if we're going to be getting that kit.. And of course, the website gives no information whatsoever on either program..

You're probably best off getting a bunch of general stuff like pencils, pens, cardstock.. I think they use guache in Animation, too. You shouldn't spend much cash before you know anything for certain, though, unless it's on things that you'll use anyways.

Thanks for reminding me, I really ought to be getting back to the art store, especially since there's no sales tax here in New Hellshire.. unf.

[Rah]

is anyone going to the orientation???

i looked at teh pamphlet they sent me today and it doesnt seem useful at all

is there any point of going???


lol ya....i'm going..and there IS a point...it's called...FREE BBQ! :P

[tweak_hp]

woo..i can't wait..i'm goin..mostly just for the bbq and the program specific stuff..and to get a locker..and hopefully the keys to my house.. :} :bashful: :}

[Hexal]

Go for the little intro to your course if anything, and the bbq, the other sessions are more info about college living so its not so much the course.

[darth massacre]

ARGH FRIKIN NUTS!!! I FORGOT WE NEED TO GO GRAB OUR LOCKERS!!!!


All the noobs are soooooo gonna snatch the good ones up. >:{

[tweak_hp]

and where might these good ones be? :wink: ...also, wuts so good about them?

[this_is_du]

lol....free BBQ

it costs me like 10 bucks to get to sheridan and back to thornhill


10 bucks can buy a pretty decent meal at mickey d's :bashful:

but i guess i'll go to get my locker and my $3500 queen elizabeth scholarship :}

[endregan]

oh yeah shit lockers eh. Hmmmmmm predicament eh. im sure there will be good ones left.

the bbq is ok. you get a burger with chips and pop last year when we went. The orientation is worth it though to get to know the place more too.


du - queen elizabeth is a good one, you dont need to go to the orientation to get it, though you could so you could get your osap all filled out and then you get your scholarship with it officially. You wont get it immediately either, they have a "school account" for you and deposit all scholarships/bursaries and then give you a cheque in like november for the total amount it is after tuititon. you could try and ask them for it nicely hahah, but either way you get it eventually. One of the scholarships might even be directly deposited in your bank account, i cant remember.

cant believe were so close to school again....sweet.

[Artistic Suicide]

uh oh..

lol, what's the matter, you're not much of a risk-taker? Heh, the ironic thing is that i'm the most cautious/wary/suspicious person I know. I'm like the teenage version of Question from the Justice League.

Anyway, it looks like i'll only be leaving on the 4th...which leaves me like...1 and 1/4 days to get everything in order. My stress factor will most likely be through the roof for the first few days...to the point where I should probably be carrying around a portable defibrillator. ;)

Lockers...ugh....

~Blaine

[alxcote]

i checked my schedule on access sheridan today and picked my elective class.. sweet.

and im getting some laidback school hours.

[endregan]

Hey guys.

Monday Sept 5 2005.

Alex from animation and I met up last year before school with CA.org buddies and thought why not do it again.

Who: Illustrators, Animators, Fundies etc...
Where: Inside school Cafeteria (outside if closed)
When: Monday Sept 5 2005.
Time: 1 p.m.
Why: Meet up chat, draw

Plan B (IF school locked up) we hang out side the main entrance (EAST SIDE) and draw outside and frolic in the trees.

We will wait a bit for people to come then head out and find a decent place to draw and chizzill.

Dont be shy cuz ill track you down anyway. Just kidding, but seriously.

[alxcote]

Hey guys.

Monday Sept 5 2005.

Alex from animation and I met up last year before school with CA.org buddies and thought why not do it again.

Who: Illustrators, Animators, Fundies etc...
Where: Inside school Cafeteria (outside if closed)
When: Monday Sept 5 2005.
Time: 1 p.m.
Why: Meet up chat, draw

We will wait a bit for people to come then head out and find a decent place to draw and chizzill.

Dont be shy cuz ill track you down anyway. Just kidding, but seriously.


and ill be there again..


..and if you don't show up, you get tentacle raped.







edit: not really.
:)

[aico003]

Yesness! I just checked my schedule as well and it's so droolingly awesome! I get every Monday off and don't start till 5 on Tuesdays! Only 2 problems, I would get that first Monday off anyways for labour day so I'm getting my day off, off.. and I think if I keep thinking about this I might drown in a puddle of my own drool.

Lockers are for suckers, though.. I can hardly remember the last time I used one. I think it was secondary 1 in Quebec, which would have been about 6 years ago, that I had one next to this pretty girl and near the bathroom and cafeteria.. after that maybe once or twice during exams to hold my guitar..


edit - awesomeness, I'll so totally be there!

[this_is_du]

lucky...i have to go to sheridan everyday and usually only for 3 hours...

such a waste of my time...grrrrrr! :nohope:

also the ppl who already took illustration first year:

what textbook are required for first year?

(i already downloaded photoshop bible, illustrator in a classroom and photoshop in a classroom :D hehe)

and i also wanna know if i'd be able to find ppl selling photocopy versions of those textbooks at sheridan :wink:

EDIT: but monday september 5 is labour day...sheridan's open on labour day?

[endregan]

Plan B (IF school locked up) we hang out side the main entrance (EAST SIDE) and draw outside and frolic in the trees.

[Moiss]

Hey guys.

Monday Sept 5 2005.

Alex from animation and I met up last year before school with CA.org buddies and thought why not do it again.

Who: Illustrators, Animators, Fundies etc...
Where: Inside school Cafeteria (outside if closed)
When: Monday Sept 5 2005.
Time: 1 p.m.
Why: Meet up chat, draw

We will wait a bit for people to come then head out and find a decent place to draw and chizzill.

Dont be shy cuz ill track you down anyway. Just kidding, but seriously.

I'm in... :^^:

and ill be there again..


..and if you don't show up, you get tentacle raped.


Eeeek....... :P

Anyway, does anyone know if first year illustration students get to choose the electives?

I can't access the OASIS link....

[this_is_du]

also i wanna know...

if we (first year illustrators) are able to swap classes? since i really dont wanna wake up at 5:30 and go to school at 8.....and go there for 5 days and stay for 3 hours only X_X

[endregan]

moiss - no electives man you get what your given lol

du- you can and your schedule may likely change around before school starts anyway.

[Hexal]

I think ill be able to make it again on the 5th.

[darth massacre]

I'll be there....you guys need adult supervision on the tentacle rape business.


Safety is a top issue....one tentacle at a time.

[aico003]

Haha, and it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to pre-lube your orifices.. :$

[this_is_du]

so endregan (or anyone) how can we change our schedule??

i want to swap classes but didn't find anything clickable

[this_is_du]

endregan or anyone

how can we change our schedules? i got into the "swap classes" page but couldnt find anything clickable

thanks in advance

[WildSpruceMoose]

world of warcraft ate my summer

see you guys on the 5th, I now have to go to sleep to return to work after my surgery and practise hardcore for the next 2 weeks so I am actually in a state close to what I was upon leaving the school last year.

fundies people!!! go to life drawing, you'll be very bored with the workload unless you go to extra life drawing-- i look forward to seeing what the changes they've made to the fundamentals program are (illu/ani split)

[5frames]

Hey Sheridan people..

Questions:

How do I chose my elective classes?
What are the elective classes?
What do you recommend I chose as my elective class from one of the elective classes that are still not known to me?

And thx :)

[CoreyPierce]

anyone else still last minute looking for a place:

its not my place, but its a similar place in the same townhouse complex, saw someone advertising a room at the Dominion grocery store across the street. obviously wont give the phone number away on the board,
email me: coreypierce@corey-pierce.com

[G_Strat]

For anyone who has had trouble getting into animation, I have the answer. The animation portfolio workshop in Toronto. It got me in and once you talk to the instructors you'll see why. They used to teach at Sheridan but left to start this alternative to art Fundies. If you know for sure that you want to get into animation at any school, they can help you. It's only six hours of class a week as well as the absolute maximum amount of life drawing sessions you can get yourself into. They don't do the work for you but they guide you and critique your portfolio until it is as good as possible. Let me put it this way: I got acceptance letters from every school I applied to and I believe the main reasons were hard work and the guidance that workshop gave me.

[asianguy971]

hey sheridan ppl :rendered:
i m planning on applying for animation and illustration after i graduate next year after gr.12 and im wondering if there is anyone here that could tell me if my work would be acceptable. here is the link to my gallery: http://asianguy971.deviantart.com/
and...how do the semesters work? is it like having animation classes in one semester then illustration in the next semester? i have no idea :\
and how many ppl get accepted per...semester(course)? and do u need to have digital work in ur portfolio for the submission? the portfolio requres 15 pieces of work, right? lol i dunno anything, plz tell me i really need to know :} thx

[darth massacre]

How do I chose my elective classes?
What are the elective classes?
What do you recommend I chose as my elective class from one of the elective classes that are still not known to me?

Answers to your questions.

You don't choose your electives from all over, you get a list to choose from and its a short list.

[alxcote]

hey sheridan ppl :rendered:
i m planning on applying for animation and illustration after i graduate next year after gr.12 and im wondering if there is anyone here that could tell me if my work would be acceptable. here is the link to my gallery: http://asianguy971.deviantart.com/
and...how do the semesters work? is it like having animation classes in one semester then illustration in the next semester? i have no idea :\
and how many ppl get accepted per...semester(course)? and do u need to have digital work in ur portfolio for the submission? the portfolio requres 15 pieces of work, right? lol i dunno anything, plz tell me i really need to know :} thx

Illustration, yes most likely

Animation, show me some gesture work/ character design typa-stuff and i'll tell you the odds

but i can't give you a straight answer, it's very unbalanced..you see great people get turned down and average ones get in like theres no tomorow.

good luck, and keep on working your art.

alx

[darth massacre]

Just building on Alxcote's points.

Your rendering isn't bad, but both animation and illustration need to see figures and gestures in the portfolio submission. Especially for animation. Exaggerated and realistic figures in various poses and action. Illustration will look for other things like understanding of perspective and as said before your rendering is pretty good (animation does something else with perspective after understanding it :teeth: that's the fun part).

Both animation and Illustration take in about 100+ students....that's maybe 10% of applicants every year.

[aico003]

Illustration and Animation are two different courses. You can apply to one of them or to both but you can't really do two programs at the same time. There's information on the Sheridan website (http://www.sheridanc.ca) about both programs and the differences between them (Bachelor of Applied Arts in Illustration or in Animation is probably what you would be applying to, by the way). You don't need to have any digital work for either portfolio, as far as I know, but they're both very different. From what I saw, the Animation portfolio is aboslutely huge, you needed to have a character in a few poses, some figure drawing and all kinds of other things. For illustration you can either send a portfolio you've arranged yourself or some specific things they ask for along with a drawing test of a few pieces either way. As for whether you're good enough or not, I couldn't say seeing as how I didn't quite make it into Illustration, but I would suggest working on lots of figure drawing and persepctive stuff straight away, you can never bee too good at it and it's pretty much the whole portfolio..

edit- Right, and with the schedules being out or somesuch, I was wondering if anyone in Animation or regular fundamentals could post their class list, I'm still trying to figure out what the deal with these new fundamental classes is, what's the difference and everything. Anyways, I'm in Illustration Fundamentals and the courses I'll be taking fall semester are:
Drawing 1 - Art Fundamentals
Painting 1 - Art Fundamentals
Art Fundamentals-Ideas/Images
2D Design 1 - Art Fundamentals
3D Design 1 - Art Fundamentals
Imaging Systems 1

[Hexal]

You know for an Illustration fundies course, that list is exactly what i had in Art fundies last year.....hopefully they have like illustration teachers teaching them or something, or its just a different name for Art fundies.

[aico003]

Well it could be that the courses aren't any different until second semester.. I know it's not exactly the same as fundamentals, though.. I just don't know what it is.

[Hexal]

Hmm true, maybe the concepts teached in them are different or something.

[Artistic Suicide]

I was wondering if anyone in Animation or regular fundamentals could post their class list, I'm still trying to figure out what the deal with these new fundamental classes is, what's the difference and everything. Anyways, I'm in Illustration Fundamentals and the courses I'll be taking fall semester are:
Drawing 1 - Art Fundamentals
Painting 1 - Art Fundamentals
Art Fundamentals-Ideas/Images
2D Design 1 - Art Fundamentals
3D Design 1 - Art Fundamentals
Imaging Systems 1

I'm going into the regular Art Fundamentals this fall, and my course list is identical to yours.

I did recieve a piece of paper this summer, with the various fundamental courses and the differences between them. I'll see if I can dig it up....


Meh, my scanner is down so i'll just type out the the pertinent details:

Art Fundamentals - General
Drawing 1 & 2
Painting 1 & 2
2D Design 1 & 2
3D Design 1 & 2
Imaging Systems 1 & 2
College English
General Education

Art Fundamentals - Animation
Drawing 1 & 2
Colour 1 & 2
2D Design 1 & 2
Character Development for Animation 1 & 2
Drawing and Layout for Animation 1 & 2
History of Animation
General Education

Art Fundamentals - Illustration
Drawing 1 & 2
Colour 1 & 2
2D Design 1 & 2
Fundamentals of Narrative Illustration 1 & 2
Principles of Illustrative Drawing 1 & 2
History of Illustration
General Education

It also mentions, on the bottom of the page, that the courses are subject to change for the Fall 2005 Term.

Hope that helps.

~Blaine

[aico003]

Right.. I got that one too but I think I lost it. So I guess they're the same classes till second semester then.. makes sense I think. Well.. kinda.

[darth massacre]

Leaving in about 10 hours....catch y'all soon.

[Moiss]

Damn....it's been a while I haven't started scribbling the papers again......gotta prepare this monday meeting....

see y all guys on Monday!!!

[alxcote]

i leave tomorow morning 10:25

[aico003]

Wee, I be leavin' tomorrow early.. Be taking me a good 10 hours or so to get there too.

So anyone go to the orientation? Anything important?

[amarryth]

Wee, I be leavin' tomorrow early.. Be taking me a good 10 hours or so to get there too.

So anyone go to the orientation? Anything important?


hey hey.. i'm in illustration fundies as well.. i went to the orientation, and i was also in regular fundies last year.. so i know a bit of what's going on.. basically the course titles are only the same for funding reasons.. apparently the course funding would be jeopardized by the government if they change the course titles or some shit like that.. anyway.. as far as the scheduling goes.. and my jaw dropped when i saw the course list as well.. but all of our instructors are illustrators in the industry.. the course content is going to vary to a great degree from our fundies and animation counterparts.. the titles don't really describe the course for the most part.. for example.. our ideas and images apparently is the history of illustration course.. and so on.. our classes are only 20 people.. 2 classes.. there's only 40 people in our whole illustration fundies program.. so we've got enviable class size.. oh, and if you didn't go to orientation day you probably don't know that we have an orientation session for illustration and animation fundies on tuesday in b124 at 2pm.. if you don't know sheridan that well.. that room is right near the bookstore.. hopefully i helped a bit there.. any other questions.. feel free.

ciao,
k-

[endregan]

back in oakville

ahh sweet smell of burnt squirrel for breakfast in the morning.

Whose comin for the meet on the 5th! Remember 1pm outside the school main entrance east if the cafeteria is closed haha.

Hopefully jerry doesnt get stuck in customs, ill have to see if hes around tomorrow hahah

[kennygeeze]

This thread is still going? Crazy...

See you early afternoon later today, Endregen.

[aico003]

hey hey.. i'm in illustration fundies as well.. i went to the orientation, and i was also in regular fundies last year.. so i know a bit of what's going on.. basically the course titles are only the same for funding reasons.. apparently the course funding would be jeopardized by the government if they change the course titles or some shit like that.. anyway.. as far as the scheduling goes.. and my jaw dropped when i saw the course list as well.. but all of our instructors are illustrators in the industry.. the course content is going to vary to a great degree from our fundies and animation counterparts.. the titles don't really describe the course for the most part.. for example.. our ideas and images apparently is the history of illustration course.. and so on.. our classes are only 20 people.. 2 classes.. there's only 40 people in our whole illustration fundies program.. so we've got enviable class size.. oh, and if you didn't go to orientation day you probably don't know that we have an orientation session for illustration and animation fundies on tuesday in b124 at 2pm.. if you don't know sheridan that well.. that room is right near the bookstore.. hopefully i helped a bit there.. any other questions.. feel free.

ciao,
k-

Ah, thanks a ton for the information, things are making more sense now. Helps a ton, really cool that the class is that small too.. I thought that they would've just dumped everyone that couldn't make the cut for illustration into it but I feel special now, haha. I've got a rough idea of how the school is layed out so I shouldn't have too much trouble finding it. Thanks again, very much helpful.

I'll probably be there tomorrow.. haha, if I'm up, that is. Ah, I feel so exausted, didn't get a whole lot of sleep yesterday and then about 10 hours in a car today.. and there's no way I'm gonna be getting to sleep on time tonight. Well if I do show up, I be the tall white guy with a hugenormous afro of awesomeness and a really cool cowboy coat.. nice shoes too.

[amarryth]

Ah, thanks a ton for the information, things are making more sense now. Helps a ton, really cool that the class is that small too.. I thought that they would've just dumped everyone that couldn't make the cut for illustration into it but I feel special now, haha. I've got a rough idea of how the school is layed out so I shouldn't have too much trouble finding it. Thanks again, very much helpful.

I'll probably be there tomorrow.. haha, if I'm up, that is. Ah, I feel so exausted, didn't get a whole lot of sleep yesterday and then about 10 hours in a car today.. and there's no way I'm gonna be getting to sleep on time tonight. Well if I do show up, I be the tall white guy with a hugenormous afro of awesomeness and a really cool cowboy coat.. nice shoes too.

i'll be at the orientation.. then painting class right afterwards.. i'll be probably one of many short girls with dark brown hair a bit past my shoulders and my eyebrow pierced.. don't know my outfit yet but if it's cool out you can probably count on an orange sweater with a palm tree sunset on it (my fave.. but i couldn't wear it all summer so i'll take my first opportunity).. hope to see you there.. do you have painting at 2 tomorrow as well? there's a 50/50 chance you're in my class.. ciao dude!

let's get this fantabulous year started!

[aico003]

Ah, finally all unpacked. My room actually looks like a room!

Well I'll see you at the orientation and thanks again tons for the information, eh? Seems I'm not in your painting class though, tomorrow I have Imaging Systems 1 starting at 5 :[ ..
Do you know if the classes are split straight down the middle with just 2 groups having all the same classes or is it shuffled about? Ah, whatever, haha I guess I'll know by the end of the week.
Heh, I should look a lot better tomorrow, too. All fresh and clean now, get a full night sleep, wear a proper shirt and everythings nice and organized so there shouldn't be anymore stress to getting ready. Still haven't gotten around to getting some fresh bic shavers though so I've got a bit of a scruff coming in, haha.

Was fun poddling about Sheridan and town with everyone today too, eh? Heh, nice to meet some people and wander around.. someone had better get those drawings and photos up soon.

[endregan]

Well First day of class was cool. Kinda short, i went to my interpretive illustration class and it was like an hour, got our first assignment, like 90 images of one object we have to do, pretty hardcore. painting tomorrow wooo

yeah good sketch meet, met new people, welcoming chester and aico who came out. Moiss, alex, ryan, peter, jerry, all came out. We couldve had a lot show up more though, dont be shy from us you fundies guys mmkay.

heres a few collabs we got done, good times haha.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2005/sept06/1.jpg
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2005/sept06/2.jpg
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2005/sept06/3.jpg

[Artistic Suicide]

Yeah, I missed the meet up. I was actually at the school a couple hours earlier. My knee's been messed up the past couple days, and I didn't really feel like walking back to the school.

I start classes tomorrow. I picked up all of my junk today. I wound up carrying the Fundies kit for a twenty-minute hike. Man, i'm never doing that again.

Nice collabs, guys. Although, that bottom one is slightly disturbing. o.O

~Blaine

[aico003]

Wee, helluva first day. Went to the orientation for animation/illustration fundies, everything is starting to make a little bit more sense now.. got my ID, got my fundies kit and hauled it 15-20 minutes like 3 times, heh, was a nice workout. It seems every locker in the whole A wing is taken, though, so I have one in the E wing but I'll probably just keep everything at my place and only bring what I need for each class. I got out of Imaging Systems something like 2 and a half hours early so I can finally look through my kit, get some more shopping done and rest my damned shoulders.

If anyone spots me about the school [tall white guy, huge afro, answers to Aidan or nice hair.. probably looks lost] feel free to come up and say hi, eh? Heh, I would try to spot you people but I can hardly see a thing with all the hair in my face. Ah, and feel free to add me on MSN or AIM too if you want, I know the little icons are up there in the top right of my post but noone ever uses them.. so my msn is aico003@hotmail.com and AIM is mr13lue.. Heh, and if someone really wants me to I can dig out ICQ, still remember my number from like 5 years ago.

Weee, have fun at school everyone. Rock the house.

[amarryth]

Wee, helluva first day. Went to the orientation for animation/illustration fundies, everything is starting to make a little bit more sense now.. got my ID, got my fundies kit and hauled it 15-20 minutes like 3 times, heh, was a nice workout. It seems every locker in the whole A wing is taken, though, so I have one in the E wing but I'll probably just keep everything at my place and only bring what I need for each class. I got out of Imaging Systems something like 2 and a half hours early so I can finally look through my kit, get some more shopping done and rest my damned shoulders.

If anyone spots me about the school [tall white guy, huge afro, answers to Aidan or nice hair.. probably looks lost] feel free to come up and say hi, eh? Heh, I would try to spot you people but I can hardly see a thing with all the hair in my face. Ah, and feel free to add me on MSN or AIM too if you want, I know the little icons are up there in the top right of my post but noone ever uses them.. so my msn is aico003@hotmail.com and AIM is mr13lue.. Heh, and if someone really wants me to I can dig out ICQ, still remember my number from like 5 years ago.

Weee, have fun at school everyone. Rock the house.
hey dude.. thought i'd let you know there's tons of lockers still available on the second floor of a wing.. that's where i got mine today.. though bringing only what you need is a great plan, it's also nice to have the option of leaving stuff at school that you don't need to bring home.. i saw you today i think.. well.. if you're huge afro i definitely saw you.. i had no clue that it was like a 2 foot diameter! i would have said hi but i was sitting across the room at the bottom.. good to know things are making more sense.. i'm so glad to be back at sheridan.. it's so my home.. any sheridan artsies out there can add me to msn too.. kagithink@gmail.com yes, it's gmail and it works for msn.. see everyone soon.. wednesday off.. damn.. oh, well.. ciao!
-k

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah, the meet was a good time. We drew those collabs then romped in the fields beside the school =P I'm sure I won't miss that afro in the hall man ;) When jerry gets his interweb up he'll have to post the pin-up...err photograph of our meet.

First day went kinda fast, heh, no assignments yet just supply lists. It'll pick up fast guys, go to extra life drawing asap, and I'd suggest going for a good 2-3 hr session rather than three 1 hr sessions every week(but that's just my preference). I'd better practise drawing straight lines so as to save my life =D

P.S. Goodluck all!

[arghmisfit]

damn now i wish i didnt take a year off :blah:

o well atleast i got lots of time to draw :D

[aico003]

Ahh, didn't even know there was a second floor, haha. Well I'll have to reclaim that lock then, but at least I get some excercise [and very sore shoulders] hauling things around in the meantime.

Yesss, the afro is mighty mighty, thou shalt not underestimate it. The general consensus seems to be "wow, is that real" or perhaps "nice 'fro, man". I was trying to see if I could spot you but only saw one girl with an eyebrow piercing who did not appear to match your description so good.

I'll probably be hanging around the school all the time once things begin to settle a bit, had to tear through my art kit today though [it's like christmas!] and get some shopping done after class [the cornflakes and oatmeal prevent starvation while the orange juice fights Scurvy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy)!], and was running around taking care of Sheridan things beforehand. Reminds me, where do people go to do proper shopping? Rabba is alright for bits small things but a bit expensive, no?

Ahh, I shouldn't be hanging about the forums now though, ought to get started on this assignment or do something productive at least. Heh, good luck everyone.

[darth massacre]

Aico003 has NO peripheral vision :teeth:

I just got my connection today so gimme a day off...I'll upload those pictures....tomorrow (or I'll make endregan do it).

[WildSpruceMoose]

Aico003 has NO peripheral vision :teeth:

I just got my connection today so gimme a day off...I'll upload those pictures....tomorrow (or I'll make endregan do it).

Yay :D pictures, and you have the interweb back!

Just got home from Design this morning. Man, its so particular about mounting and process books I'm already confused, I can see how all these classes at the same time can lead to much confusion and seemingly non-stop work. Ohwell I'm ready!

[Moiss]

I can see how all these classes at the same time can lead to much confusion and seemingly non-stop work.

I guess it was like fundies last year in my class, the only difference is that I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a huge workload throughout the year.

[Moiss]

Does anyone know how to get to curry's art store in mississauga?

[this_is_du]

Yay :D pictures, and you have the interweb back!

Just got home from Design this morning. Man, its so particular about mounting and process books I'm already confused, I can see how all these classes at the same time can lead to much confusion and seemingly non-stop work. Ohwell I'm ready!

i know eh
i got that basic design class for illustration today too but in the afternoon

[aico003]

Good to hear you've got internet Darth.. er Jerry? Heh, I don't know the right thing.. don't forget to change your location, eh? And I can see side to side.. it's just the up I have trouble with.. or forwards sometimes.

Apparently there's 2 locations in Mississauga, but fear not for Goggle's got you covered (http://www.google.ca/local?hl=en&hs=9a6&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&q=curry%27s+art+store+ltd&near=Mississauga,+ON&sa=X&oi=localr) [er, the first two are the Mississauga ones].

Now I got to be getting ready for 2d, good luck all.

[Qian Wang]

Hi, everyone:

Finally, I am here in Canada. I really wanna meet many new friends, but my english is not very good. :android: Now, I am in Art Fundie(animation).

[Taj]

Good to hear you've got internet Darth.. er Jerry? Heh, I don't know the right thing.. don't forget to change your location, eh? And I can see side to side.. it's just the up I have trouble with.. or forwards sometimes.

Apparently there's 2 locations in Mississauga, but fear not for Goggle's got you covered (http://www.google.ca/local?hl=en&hs=9a6&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&q=curry%27s+art+store+ltd&near=Mississauga,+ON&sa=X&oi=localr) [er, the first two are the Mississauga ones].

Now I got to be getting ready for 2d, good luck all.
Curry's is awesome, when you buy something tell them your a student at Sheriden you get a discount.


haha, yes ive done it.

[endregan]

Hey heres the pics from the meet

http://www.visiblesurface.com/pics/oakville/2005start/start.jpg
http://www.visiblesurface.com/pics/oakville/2005start/group1.jpg
http://www.visiblesurface.com/pics/oakville/2005start/group2.jpg

Posting the collabs again so its all together.
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2005/sept06/1.jpg
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2005/sept06/2.jpg
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2005/sept06/3.jpg

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah, thats me in the red. How do you like my healthy hump with the backpack on? Mr. Burns enough for ya? Alex tried to steal my glasses :(

EDIT: Oh yeah! this_is_du: Basic design I have to get so many materials for proper mounting procedures =P

[arghmisfit]

holy fuck thats a massive 'fro! :D

[Moiss]

Damn...I looked like a kid... :dur:

Anyway, next meeting has to be a big one...... :wink:

["ChEsTeR"]

You know your in an animaion school when you got people askin you "Aerial or Jasmin?"

by the way, do any of you second year illustration students have a retoric textbook you wanna sell?

[WildSpruceMoose]

Haha, yeah-- animation kids are silly. I'm pretty sure they changed the textbook used for rhetoric this year =/

[aico003]

Weee, made it through the first week and I'm still free of horrible disease. I really wish I had figured out the bus routes before I walked home from the Superstore.. bah, it wasn't so bad. Hopefully I'll be pain-free enough to do all that work I left till the last minute over the weekend.

Someone should definately organize another meeting though, eh? That one was fun and now that I'm kinda settled I should be in much more sane/shaven condition.

And welcome to Canada, Qian Wang. The people here have been quite friendly, from what I've seen, even those animation kids >:D .

[Moiss]

Finally got into Currys in Mississauga....thanks for the info anyway, Aico.

next meeting....? what about during winter break, eh? sounds like gonna be chilly.... :teeth:

[this_is_du]

so i went to the new currys right beside the OCAD student gallery today but they only give out the 10% discount to OCAD students :(

boo!!!

and to make matters worst, the cashier forgot to put in some stuff in my bag that i PAID for! i didnt notice this until i got home

so...ya, do you think they'll give me the stuff if i go back on monday after school when i bus down there? this totally blows :upset:

[aico003]

Ah, I really do need to figure out these busses.. I always have so much trouble with public transportation. Gotta get many things at curry's, it seems like I need a sketchbook for every class :nohope: .. and of course there's all the extra newsprint and conte and paints and things.

Doing all these thumbnail is so boring, though.. Well, it's a good thing that I've got a few months 'till I'm legal to drink here, I'm quite sure all my food money would have turned to booze by now if I was. Heh, well I'm sure there's good non-sloshed ways to pass time and spend money here, too.. really ought to get this work done, though.

[Moiss]

Take the bus no. 24 (Oakville) from Sheridan, it'll lead you to South Common Mall, don't forget to ask transfer. Then take bus 1C (Mississauga) using the transfer ticket. Get off the bus between Cawthra and Dundas Street.

Takes u about 15 min to get to the intersection. (actually dundas street is a highway (sort of), so take the stairs down to Cawthra road when you get off at the junction). Then walk south the cawthra road (about 15 min.) and turn left at queensway street intersection and that's it. you'll find it. 755 Queensway East.

so...ya, do you think they'll give me the stuff if i go back on monday after school when i bus down there? this totally blows

you should be able to.. maybe as long as you still got the receipt with you..you might wanna try..

[this_is_du]

so i went there today and the guy gave me conté and the marker pad after talking it over with his manager :)

[aico003]

Wow, thanks tons for the instructions Moiss, very very detailed and helpful.. hehe, I'll probably still manage to get lost though, public transportation hates me. Not sure when I'll be able to get there, though, bloody drafting homework is so tedious, it's taking me forever to get it done. Kinda wish we had actually gotten that Imaging Systems textbook, too. It seems most people in the class have it from last year, unfortunatly last year I was about 1000km away.. Well if I keep at it I should get my focus back soon enough, even if I don't know what I'm doing I best get something done. Good luck everyone, back to work..

[Marmalade]

I was thinking of applying to Sheridan this year. I would like to go for illustration.
.... I wouldn't have done the fundamentals there, But I am attending Beal ART, finishing up the gr12 fundamentals program there.
I was just wondering if that will make a difference for how hard the competition for me will be?

or if I could scan in some life drawings could someone tell me, if i could have a shot in hell?

.. sorry to bother you.

[endregan]

marmalade.

are you london ontario or england haha.

It doesnt matter if you took fundamentals before, its how hard you work and how much you practice and develop your skills. Fundamentals certainly makes the shift to illustration a lot smoother but it can be done straight from highschool. My brother took fundies last year and is now in illustration and is handling the course load a lot better than I did straight from highschool.

Highschool compared to a focussed program like illustration can be a lot different and overwhelming at times if you arent used to the workload. It really depends what the program you are in now is like and how much time and effort you put into it really.

If you want it ...go for it

[alxcote]

that picture really brings out my crotch. i like it.





..happy new year at sheridan. yaaaaayyy... *walks away*

[Marmalade]

well, thanks endregan.

I'll just have to work on building up my portfolio, and hope i can get accepted.

and from Ontario, silly. since that is what ON stands for.

[endregan]

thats not the point. I see what your saying and stuff but coming out and saying im not good is not really necessary.

Im still learning, thats why im in school. You go to school to get better and thats what im doing. Sheridan teaches you things you cant learn on your own time, thats the point of going. You pay for the experience, the guidance and the resources the school has to offer.

I dont really see why you even posted since you really didnt offer much but your personal opinion. If you dont like Sheridan, dont go haha.

Vanke- comparing a student to anyone in the professional field is hardly fair. I am still developing my skill and at the end of four years Ill still be developping it. You dont quite understand, most people dont jump straight into professional commercial work anyways and the commercial work have 10 years of experience plus. So comparing me to them is pointless really. The mere thought of that is ridiculous and you have nothing to support it as the entire concept is a fallacy...

Gosh, jerks these days are a dime a dozen, stop talking and draw fewl!!

Anyways if you want to argue thats okay but I dont appreciate you jumping to conclusions based on your personal experience and using myself as an example without anything other than comparing a student to professionals. For shame.

P.S. post your stuff lets have a look see. I cant believe you registered just to post this.

[darth massacre]

Wow, personal attack! Looks like you got a fan there Endregan!

[endregan]

my fanbase can only get bigger. Much like my private region...much like my private region

[kennygeeze]

Okay,

I was at Sheridan for a time and I have to say that its a really good school. But, after going to Uni I have to say that Sheridan is lacking in soo many things. You will be mis-spending your money if you go there for the simple fact that the talent needed to be in computer games or illustation or even animation is all based on skill not education. SO my best advice is that you spend the 2-3 yrs that you would at sheridan, working on personal projects. I know you that many people will post back to me that they are glad or even indifferent to my opinion. I know its hard to realize your throwing your money away. What I'm tryuing to explain is, is that you need to think of what your being taught. Is it that difficult to go out and look at real everyday people to draw? Is it that hard to come up with a personal project? Because I'm telling you now that if you can't come up with that, how do you expect to be creative when your fresh out of ideas? ANd for my last comment, DON"T WORRY ABOUT GETTING IN TO THE PROGRAMS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO. Example, look at that guy Endergradon... whatever his name is. He got into illustration and he isn't good at all.

Anyways I know I'll get burned for that last comment but compare the commercial talents of that guy with any of the working stiffs in the biz now and he ranks last for technical merit. Face it folks, you can't learn creativity or technical skill in a 2-4 yr program.

Post some work and let's see what you can do. I wonder what skill level *you* would have to be at to take such a shot at someone else.

By the looks of your other post can I assume you had a one and only year at sheridan while in fundies? trust me on this one... art fundamentals definitely isn't the program to judge the rest of sheridan on.
It's also a little funny that your whole argument might rest on the fact that you learned skill can't be taught ...IN ART FUNDAMENTALS.

SO my best advice is that you spend the 2-3 yrs that you would at sheridan, working on personal projects

If those personal projects do nothing to challenge or avoid the problem areas of the artist then they're worthless.

I was at Sheridan for a time and I have to say that its a really good school. But, after going to Uni I have to say that Sheridan is lacking in soo many things

What did you take in university. What is sheridan lacking in? Did you take advantage of the peer mentoring services while at sheridan?

You will be mis-spending your money if you go there for the simple fact that the talent needed to be in computer games or illustation or even animation is all based on skill not education

This doesn't make any sense. Skill and education are separate entities? Do you mean education = piece of paper or something? Education can't enhance skill?

Your argument is completley unclear. You say sheridan is lacking, but then you say skill cannot be taught... so... that means that all courses of all programs everywhere dealing in anything else other than raw theory and knowledge are lacking? Or.... just sheridan? Or... are all art schools lacking?

Make some actual sense.

[WildSpruceMoose]

Sheridan teaches you the basics, the building blocks for any good artist. Slowly building skill with meticulous assignments to develop hand/eye coordination. Getting into first year requires a basic understanding-- "TEH ANIME KEKEK" will not get you in, you have to show understanding of art and the willingness to learn, the willingness to improve.

Endregan-- was able to show them his devotion to art and his willingness to improve last year and was accepted into year 1 in the illustration program. Oh, by the way its now a degree program, I don't know when you were at Sheridan, but now we can understand the big words you learn at University. The first year, which I'm currently in, teaches every student all the basics -- AGAIN --to make sure they are on a level playing field for future years. So, lets break this down for you:

- create portfolio to show them you have a basic grasp of art
- do a year of really hard work that is geared towards solidifying the skill of the students. Making sure they can all draw straight lines, in perfect perspective, the human form, etc.

He's just started 2nd year. The program doesn't start to allow freedom until later in this semester. Look at mindcandyman-- he started out and slowly learned the basics, and worked and worked and worked-- WHICH MY BROTHER IS DOING RIGHT NOW. I remember wes' stuff from way way back when this site first came up, and now he's improved so much you wouldn't be able to tell the old works were done by the same artist. There are other examples of artists on this site who went to school, and by their last year were tearing up the place with mad skills!

Illustration doesn't WANT their students to be master painters on the first day of class, and to even hint that shows how stupid you truly are. If someone was as good as a commercial, industry professional why the fuck would they be spending their time in a 4 year program? A prodigy of such skills should be travelling Europe and painting for rich clergy. Did I mention he's been through ONE year of artistic training? Did I mention he's JUST starting his second year-- which will let him go beyond the simple basics? Who knows how much he'll improve by his 4th year.

Don't create your account, come here and with your first post, and insult someone for the school that he goes to, for his willingness to succeed.

What Sheridan, and I would hope, most art schools offer their students is a structured environment to gather information(and at Sheridan its from industry professionals, which means they aren't bitter about their failed art careers, they are successful artists in their own right). The illustration program gives you skills and practise that will come in useful in the industry. Sure you can go out and learn on your own, sure you can draw everyday and hope to breakthrough in the art world one day, but when your art director asks you for 20 thumbnails by 2pm-- oh ohs spaghettios!(what the fuck do you think a devoted student does when he isn't in class? or working on an assignment? sits on his thumbs?) Art schools are only good for how much you put into them, and not just in class-- students who go to every class, do every assignment on time, but don't keep their own sketchbook, don't attend extra life drawing, don't work on their side projects will be wasting their money. Considering I'm Endregan's twin brother I know he does the extra shit outside of class.

So you go back to your little University and think about how much of an ass you are-- oh one more question:

How about a BJ?

[this_is_du]

Hey everyone,

I applied to Sheridan's Fundies for Winter 05 about a month ago. Okay I'm a freak for doing so, so early. Anywho, I just wanted to know if they will be getting back to me in Sept or Nov? I recieved a letter a few weeks ago stating that they are glad I choose Sheridan blah blah. If anyone knows of anyother weirdos that applied really early like me, it would be a great help to hear what or if any things to look for.
Thanks,

-Noel
looking at his previous post ammuses me

[Taj]

Hey everyone,

I applied to Sheridan's Fundies for Winter 05 about a month ago. Okay I'm a freak for doing so, so early. Anywho, I just wanted to know if they will be getting back to me in Sept or Nov? I recieved a letter a few weeks ago stating that they are glad I choose Sheridan blah blah. If anyone knows of anyother weirdos that applied really early like me, it would be a great help to hear what or if any things to look for.
Thanks,

-Noel

Looooooks like someone got Reeeeejecteeed!

[Moiss]

Wow....wow....time out there.....

Sheridan is about students who really want to dedicate themselves to work hard on their art careers dude.....like myself, I used to procrastinate A LOT back then before I got into Sheridan. but now I got in through fundies, I learned A LOT and my drawings are MUCH MORE IMPROVED and I know I WILL keep improving.

BTW, fundies really nailed me the basic knowledge of understandings of many drawing subjects, which leads me to building a better projects out of my personal interests.

I'm just gonna say, work your ass harder...It's about willingness to LEARN and to IMPROVE yourself, cuz it ain't easy just to tell, you got to WORK IT OUT.......

[aico003]

Heh, best to just disregard the.. guy [hard as hell not to just say idiot]. Sheridan is a great school and the opinion of someone who's posted twice won't really sway the opinion of anyone smart enough to think.

How has everyone's first two weeks gone?
Mine have been quite rocking. Lots of really nice people in my class, and as far as I'm concerned, the illustration fundies program is great. Drafting is tedious as hell, but it's definately something I could stand to improve. Finally started lifedrawing today and I gots to get going to the extra classes.. just realized I've only used conte like once before, and never actually done anything on newsprint :blah: .

[Hexal]

LOL wow.

His first post is so like "Hey im new to college hows it work" the second is so "Yeah im Im a college vet, you guys all suck" interesting indeed.

Obvioulsy school is for the learning THE LEARNING DAMNIT! and the social(i really shouldnt be in school since i cant type or spell lol) side aswell, spending 2-3 years at home along working on stuff might get you better but i mean you meet noone, get to ties to people that are going into the same industry you are.

But remeber its about THE LEARNING!....damnit.

[Qian Wang]

Does anyone wants Tomb Raider(pc)?
I have all of them , from 1-6 and the golden version of 3.
$10 per disc(cash only)
If anyone is interested in it, drop me a line. :-)

[endregan]

life drawing fest 2005. be there!

[darth massacre]

Issit me or did Vanke delete his own posts? :bashful:

[Taj]

Probably an admin, I know this is kind of an immature question, but I really have to knwo if theres an arcade at Sheriden. Only cause i know Seneca does, and they have street fighter:third strike...


yeah told you it was lame.

[alxcote]

Originally Posted by Vanke
Okay,

I was at Sheridan for a time and I have to say that its a really good school. But, after going to Uni I have to say that Sheridan is lacking in soo many things. You will be mis-spending your money if you go there for the simple fact that the talent needed to be in computer games or illustation or even animation is all based on skill not education. SO my best advice is that you spend the 2-3 yrs that you would at sheridan, working on personal projects. I know you that many people will post back to me that they are glad or even indifferent to my opinion. I know its hard to realize your throwing your money away. What I'm tryuing to explain is, is that you need to think of what your being taught. Is it that difficult to go out and look at real everyday people to draw? Is it that hard to come up with a personal project? Because I'm telling you now that if you can't come up with that, how do you expect to be creative when your fresh out of ideas? ANd for my last comment, DON"T WORRY ABOUT GETTING IN TO THE PROGRAMS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO. Example, look at that guy Endergradon... whatever his name is. He got into illustration and he isn't good at all.

Anyways I know I'll get burned for that last comment but compare the commercial talents of that guy with any of the working stiffs in the biz now and he ranks last for technical merit. Face it folks, you can't learn creativity or technical skill in a 2-4 yr program.

-----------------------------------------------------


HHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAGGHHGHF! !!!!!!


(i just got back from pub night and i'm trashed out, but this is way too funny.. i can't believe someone posted this shit on the board i'm gonna piss my underwears)

nice try assflute

[endregan]

yeah figure he realized how silly he was being and deleted his own post. He was so friendly though and we were just getting to know him...too bad.

alex- you silly man. looks like before pub night when my brother and i saw you, you had a lot of that french wine already lol. Crazyyy :D. Hows your workload this year? I hear it only gets better ;).

taj- they have a couple arcade games in the cage you can go in anytime and play them or pool, I dont think they have much selection though.

[CoreyPierce]

I wanted to take my turn ripping this apart.

"You will be mis-spending your money if you go there for the simple fact that the talent needed to be in computer games or illustation or even animation is all based on skill not education."

Education creates skill. Conceptual process, learning about cliches, so you can differentiate between something like a political cartoon and an actual illustration. Being immersed in the history of illustration, everything from fine art to propaganda posters to contemporary styles. Having a sense of whats going on, what works and why it works will influence your entire career. The experience of teachers in both a business sense as well as their sometimes harsh critiques of your work and your thinking. Thinking its all about skill will just set you up for a fall when you hear from someone that they think your work is shit. How do you know what your skill is without working around others or knowing what other people have done or are doing?

"SO my best advice is that you spend the 2-3 yrs that you would at sheridan, working on personal projects."

Personal projects are fine. But being given assignments will challenge you to think in new ways you might not have otherwise thought of or committed yourself to doing. Because you HAVE to, you learn so much new stuff. Your style will often be formed on what you are forced to do, not what you choose to do. Without all the assignments i had in school or since then as a professional I would be nothing like I am now. Theres a lot of great artists who have never taken assignments, and they never challenge themselves to work outside what they think their limitations are. Basically, they become repetitive.

"I know its hard to realize your throwing your money away. "

especially when you're not.

"Is it that difficult to go out and look at real everyday people to draw?"

without an understanding of anatomy, of whats going on underneath, why the shapes are the way they are, you will never be any good. You have to learn the rules before you break or stretch them.

"Is it that hard to come up with a personal project?"

uh, yes. I hate to tell you this, but illustrators arent hired by magazines and books to do personal projects. they are given assignments and must react creatively to the article they have to work with. that takes training.
Personal projects are valuable for you to perfect drawign things you like to draw, and well - the more pieces you do, the quicker you learn. if you want to be a "fine artist" who just sells paintings its more imporant, since its so much harder to make a living. for a freelance illustrator there often isnt time for personal projects, because you are hopefully consistently working for someone else. for an animator even less so.
hate to say it, but for a lot of animators, when you graduate, you arent going to be paid to think.

"Example, look at that guy Endergradon... whatever his name is. He got into illustration and he isn't good at all."

I've been there for portfolio evaluations. they dont necessarily pick people based on rating the individual pieces. there are other factors to judge someones understanding of art and how they will perform in the program.

"Anyways I know I'll get burned for that last comment
but compare the commercial talents of that guy with any of the working stiffs in the biz now and he ranks last for technical merit. Face it folks, you can't learn creativity or technical skill in a 2-4 yr program."

As someone who's been through the program all I can say is you are completely and utterly wrong. Several people who struggled for C's in first year were among the best by the time they graduated. Some people who came in like hotshots fell apart because they wouldnt listen to the teachers, they just wanted a pat on the back and a diploma, and didnt realize that their 'awesome for an 19 year old' stuff isnt so impressive when they never develop into anything more, simply by refusing to listen. The learning is an ongoing process, and a lot of people develop better after they leave school, worry less about their ego, have the freedom to take chances and do those personal projects, with some distance from the school to decide for themselves what advice made sense. but those people have always kept what they learned in mind, and it shaped their work.

your posts just seem like a very bitter person trying to rationalize or find politics in why you didnt get into a program.

[endregan]

Corey couldnt have put it better...

Especially about the learning, we should all really continue to learn and improve well after our schooling.

Now back to drawing... :D

[alxcote]

La grenouille a pipe!

(finaly got sometime this weekend to do this latest digital) thought i could share with you sheri-folks.

http://alxcote.com/2005/train.jpg

[Moiss]

HOLY COW!!!! COOOOOOOLLLLL.........

GREAT.......... :star::star::star::star::star:

[alxcote]

thanks moiss! ...i have to make a few touchups on this one, ill keep you updated. and i have to run to school and scan some drawings i might put up aswell.

[endregan]

Alexia! its got that sepia tone which i kinda like. Man im full from turkeyyy

how was everyones thanksgiving weekend?

["ChEsTeR"]

ohh man, im still feelin it, i ate so much last night, 2 pacs of jello, a bunch of turky and bread, and an entire apple pie to my self, by myself. it was pretty fun.

alxcote - you should start up a sketchbook, that would be awsome.

[arghmisfit]

alxcote: dope picture!! i think the the reflection of the trollys on the ground should angled opposite of the actual trolly tho, because after all it is a mirrored image.. :)

[Stormeh]

Question for the Canadian fellows. Most all universities require a math12 course for acceptance. If I was to apply to arts courses in Sheridan, would any specific courses (math or otherwise) be necessary? Or will I just need a diploma and a solid portfolio?

Also, I'm pretty much going to have my pick of post-secondary schools once I graduate. Barring financial/geographical/academic obstacles, what Canadian art school would be worthwhile for illustration if not Sheridan.

Thanks in advance.

[endregan]

I havent been to BC to check out Emily Carr but it has a really good rep. Ocad is definitely a competitor of Sheridan although their programs are set up diff from Sheridan. I guess both have its uniqueness. OCAD illus program you get a bachelor of design versus sheridan giving you the illustration. Math isnt necessary but you need so many university courses (check the sheridan website under programs and illustrations requirements for exact details). You also need a diploma, min 65% and of course a decent portfolio.

Alex - next year i was thinking we could do a small thunderdome... say perhaps 5 illustrators versus 5 animators. Just for shits and see what happens lol.

[alxcote]

Alex - next year i was thinking we could do a small thunderdome... say perhaps 5 illustrators versus 5 animators. Just for shits and see what happens lol.


well....... do you see any animators on this board?

edit: but i would'nt mind taking on all of you guys. muaha.

[endregan]

well we could have a free for all sheridan one Jerry suggested the other night..

[darth massacre]

edit: but i would'nt mind taking on all of you guys. muaha.
Yeah, we don't have enough mass to do a knock out styled thunderdome yet.

But we do have enough mass to do a Royal Rumble. :teeth:

[WildSpruceMoose]

I'll be gunning for aidan! We have unfinished business. SAMURAI COWBOY VS NINJA PIRATES!

[aico003]

COWBOY SAMURAI is infinitely more awesomer than PIRATE NINJA!
Well you could just have two random teams of sheridan students but it would be nice if there was some semblance of rivalry. Something like tech vs interp if you can't make more animators join up. Or you could do like captains, have Alex as the captain of one team and then someone from illustration pick a few people for their team.
Awesome picture Alex, isn't that the sketch you were working on back during the labour day meetup thingy? Well it looks great in any case, bet you never got a reference either, eh?

Wee, really ought to check the boards more often.. so busy though.. Alright, not really, but still. I've been busy enough that with my general slacking and such it amounts to the equivalent of a normal, productive person being real busy.

...


SAMURAICOWBOY

[Chandan]

Coming to Sheridan in January for Fundamentals. How is it? Plus I have lotsa time to learn...just graduated from high school.

[Artistic Suicide]

Hey,

so busy though.. Alright, not really, but still. I've been busy enough that with my general slacking and such it amounts to the equivalent of a normal, productive person being real busy.

AMEN to that! :D


Chandan: I started (Regular) Art Fundamentals this Fall, so i'll give you my perspective.

3D class is pretty simple. In the past 7 weeks, we've done around 2 assignments, that weren't very hard. Also, my class is around a week behind the other classes('cause we had labour day off), so that might account for the slow pace.

Painting class, for me, is a pain in the ass. I don't like painting traditionally, so i'm biased. Anyway, so far, we've done two in class figure paintings, and a 3 paintings(achromatic, monochromatic, and local) of the same still life. The still lifes have to be done at home, on your own time(harder than it sounds).

Drawing class, if your sketchbook thread is any indication, should be a breeze for you. It looks like you're ahead of the curve from what i've seen here so far. Most of the work is done in class, so the homework load is light.

2D class was a little hard, for me, starting out. We had to start with assignments involving drawing designs using abstract lines and forms, which my brain wasn't really used to. The color/shape/line psychology stuff is great(i'd studied it on my own previously, but i'm still learning some new stuff). The homework load is not bad, but I still don't like gouache.

Ideas and Images is a breeze. You just look at slides of art, the teacher talks for a while, and then you sometimes do a one-hour in class drawing depicting elements of the stuff you just watched(i.e surrealism, spiritualism). On other days we just watch movies(albeit "artsy" types, like Run, Lola, Run). Good movie, btw.

Imaging systems isn't too bad. If you like drafting/technical work, then you should find it easy. I was stupid and picked a transport-esque concept to draft for one of the assignments, so that's a pain, but that was my fault.

Generally, the homework load isn't bad-- except for this week(or would it be last week?) 'cause it's pre-reading week and the teacher's want you to finish everything up(plus give you a little homework so you don't get too lazy over the break).

The teachers you get will have an impact on how well you do. If you like and can identify with your teacher, you'll do well.

Also, i'm a slacker, so my homework load measurements include general slacking. If you're not a slacker, you should have enough free time for a social life. ;)

~Blaine

[endregan]

samurai cowboy vs pirate ninja... i dunno they both sound pretty cool to me

Whats everyone doing for reading week? Im back in small town Port perry with a bit of free time and some homework to do. Theres always something to draw eh.

[alxcote]

still in oakville, at school or home...doing nothing mostly.

[aico003]

Ahh, so many thing to be done during vacation. I'm trying to get to all the extra life drawing and I've got lots and lots of homework things to do. Some things left to the last minute but a bunch of fresh assignments as well.. and I'd really like to get ahead for once. Also I sort of half rearanged my room and I really ought to finish it. Blah, then I've got this ontario medical thing to do, ought to get to the book store and the home depot for various things, more groceries of course and lots of homework. Haha, actually come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I've got something significant due in every single class next week.

[Moiss]

Wait till winter break, it's really a holiday right there...yup right there....

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah, general art fundies reading week was a blast last year. I had maybe a painting or two to work on, but for the most part, just chillin' This year its loads of thumbnails and rough work and an essay to write =P Ohwell, I get more sleep than usual.

[arghmisfit]

working on my portolio right now... i think im gunna visit toronto this year and im applying for next fall.... i was looking a the sheridan site and i couldnt find when you could start sending in your folio... i only found when you can no longer send it in... so does anyone knwo when they start taking them in for the fall?

[endregan]

you have to apply through the OCAS stuff then youll get an application in the mail to apply to illustration. I remember getting one in january. You get a thank you for applying in november and the portfolio requirments in the new year if i remember right.

let me just say sleeping in is awesome. everyday so far for reading week ive slept in!

I pretty much have enough homework to last me the entire rest of the week. Fun Stuff.

[arghmisfit]

k thx... when does it usually start snowing in oakville/toronto???

[this_is_du]

usually late october but obviously global warming changed everything

i love global warming!!!

nowadays its usually late november or early december

but i remember for a few years it didnt snow until christmas

[aico003]

According to the little weather.com plugin I have on Firefox, it said yesterday there were going to be some flurries today, and right now it says there will be some tomorrow. I'm generally not out of bed before noon though, so I probably missed/will miss the snow in any case.
Well at least I'm getting to lifedrawing every day, lots and lots of homework though. Ahh but I've been going to class every day, only handed one thing in late, I really ought to slack more. Heh, just kidding, eh? I'll be good. If you see me in the pit tomorrow playing fighting games on a laptop, it's definitely for school, not slacking at all.

[Artistic Suicide]

Hey guys,

I just got back from home. I have to say that enduring 10 hours of constant travel isn't that great, and becomes an eternity in Hell when the bus driver decides to play a video of "The Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood"...there is no God. :nohope:

Anyway, i'm already looking forward to Christmas break. ;)

~Blaine

[endregan]

whoa 10 hour travel that is rough.

Where did you go for reading week?

Well reading week came and went. I got some work done and had some fun so im happy.

[Artistic Suicide]

I went back home to a little town called Spanish. It's most known for it's marina, which isn't really saying much. The trip takes so long on the bus(it's about a 6 1/2 hour drive in a car) because I first have to take the train to Toronto, and go from there. I'll have to find out if the Greyhound goes from Yorkdale to Oakville....

Oh well, aside from almost taking the train to Windsor, my first inter-city transit experience went well.

I tried to procrastinate my little heart out over reading week, though some assignments couldn't be avoided. I spent the majority of the week doing something that probably not many other people thought of...I read. o_O

Heh, it's Hallowe'en tomorrow and I have tuesdays off...that means that I can stuff my face with candy on monday, barf my guts out all of tuesday, and be ready to go back to school on wednesday...life is good.

~Blaine

[alxcote]

everyone go to pub night on Tuesday, and i mean everyone. It's the halloween pub night so it's the best one of the year, you miss it..you miss your life. get it? :P


so see you there fellas.

[endregan]

oh ill see you there. I still have to figure out what im going as. I figure myself would be pretty scary normally but maybe a little dressup cant hurt!!

[Mokuu]

Hi, im doing EVERYTHING IN MY POWER to learn as much as i can to then submit a portfolio and enter at Sheridan next year.( Im serious, dont roll your eyes at me : ) ). Yet i dunno what would seem to be acceptable for them. I know that anime portfolio are shread on sight and that they MIGHT ask me do do a gesture drawing in 60 seconds without passing over the same line twice. Yet do you think would impress them as an animation portfolio? I already though of an CD portfolio with an interactive flash browser with its own custom case but thats only the presentation -_-;;.

[Hexal]

I think that whole cd thing is out, i dont know how the animation ports work, but the illustrtation ones you have to hand in orginals, no cds.

[arghmisfit]

people always told me to never send in originals.. so i think im just gunna send copys of them

i applied thru that ocas shit and now im waiting for the mail stuff.. :blah:

i think ill start my folio this week maybe... just to get some of it out of the way

[WildSpruceMoose]

You need to send hardcopies, whether they are the original or a copy. Last I heard they don't take kindly to cd portfolios. Mind you they should get started as the facilities for reviewing a digital portfolio are there. I think they avoid it because of plagerism/tweaks in photoshop and all that crap. No one wants to see a series of crappy 25dpi life drawing pictures on a computer screen that have been obviously fixed up with the airbrush and a lens flare plopped in the top corner. Remember they review 5000+ portfolioes JUST for illustration, for animation even more =P

[Artistic Suicide]

Hey,

I just went to an animation info session last night, and probably the best tip I can give you is to send in your rough work. They want to see how you went about drawing that picture(I believe their words were "the meat and potatoes"), not just a pretty finished version all inked up and ready to go.
I think the best strategy would be to draw your rough in a non-photographic pencil(colour doesn't matter) and just draw or ink the final over top. That way, if they want to see just the final version, they can just photocopy it.

Also, avoid adding any shading or tone. Just do the line work, and make sure everything looks right.

For lifedrawings, etc, draw the damn hands! I don't know if you're one of those people that always draw the hands inside pockets or behind the back, but if you are, you should avoid that.

Remember that it's an "animation" portfolio, so your characters should have some personality, or some sense of being alive/interactive.

Keep in mind the people that are going to be looking at your portfolio, and adjust it according to that audience.

Digital stuff(rendering, painting,etc.) is totally out, since they'd have no way of verifying whether or not you'd actually drawn the piece. So, like WildSpruceMoose said, send hardcopies.

I've gotta get ready for school.

~Blaine

[Drizzt]

Hey guys,
I've been looking around for few days and decided to join...
I gotta say...there are lot of awesome talented artists around here!!!

I've wasted 2years in University just to find out that becoming a Concept Artist is my true dream ..haha
And my primary goal right now is to get into Sheridan Animation BAAA Program for 2006 Fall term.

I have few questions that troubles me,
1.Does Sheridan require a different portfolio from me if I'm applying for Art Fundamentals? because I was looking at the website and I didn't really see any portfolio requirements for Fundies.
2.In addition, do I need Gr.12 Art credit to get into Fundies?
3.How do I post my sketches in this website :/

Any information you guys could provide me would be great!
I'm looking foward talking to you guys more cuz i'm pretty damn ...lost :/
THANKS!

[Artistic Suicide]

Drizzt: Sheridan's Art Fundamentals program doesn't require a portfolio and, since I applied as a mature student, i'm not sure as to what credits one would require. So, i'm no help there.

To post sketches on the website, you need to link them from an external site. Like Photobucket.com. Upload your pics to photobucket, then just link 'em to here.

~Blaine

[aico003]

I don't think there's really any requirements for Art Fundies aside from graduating from High School or being a mature student. This year they added Illustration and Animation Fundimental programmes for the people [like me] that didn't quite make whichever they applied to. I'm not totally sure myself as I haven't bothered checking my portfolio score, but I think it takes a 50 to get into Illustration and a 40 will get you into Illustration fundies. There wasn't a way to directly apply to the program last year, it just happened through applying to Illustration or Animation, and it used the same evaluation of the same portfolio..

For images you can use Photobucket but it requires you to register, so for forums I prefer http://imageshack.us/. Just copy/paste the thumbnail link or if you want it to be posted at fullsize, copy the direct link to image, paste it here then highlight the URL and press the "Insert Image" button that looks like a mountain or something just above where you type your message.

[purb36]

i personally would recommend using imageshack. its actually a good idea if you register, cause then you can keep track of all your pictures. its also free, and unlimited bandwidth, which is much more than you can say for photobucket. i have over 500 pics on imageshack (and counting), with no need to pay a cent...'nuff said.

im also in the process of applying to sheridan for the bachelor of illustration degree program starting sept 2006...anybody have some peals of wisdom about the process (or anything, really) to tell? i live in japan and am working full-time, and it would be hard for me to get there to see it myself, so i would really appreciate it; thank you. take care. :)

[Drizzt]

Thanks Artistic Suicide, Aico003, and Purb36 for those useful information.
I'll be posting some of my latest sketches within a few days.
Sorry Purb36, I have no idea about Illustration so I can't help you there...

BTW Have you guys ever heard about the place called 'Mississauga Valley Art School' (MVAS) in Dundas Street? Cuz I heard there are open life drawing 7$ Entry Fee (Cheap) for 3hours of intense Life Drawing (Professional Life Drawing Models) on Mondays 7-10PM. I am about to go and check it out tomorrow, but if you guys are interested give me a shout. I think 'MVAS' Open Life Drawing would be helpful for those of you who are preparing the Animation Portfolio Alone.

Take Care
Good luck to us all

[algebra]

Hey everyone. First post here at conceptart. I'm currently 15 and living in Illinois as a Sophomore in highschool. I'm trying to think ahead towards art schools I want to look into, and I have really narrowed it down to Sheridan. Everything about it just seems to click for me. But, I have no idea how I'm going to support costs when I apply/if I get accepted in coming years. I'm in a sort of...financially troubled family. I know that international students don't recieve financial aid and such, and that's why I'm worried. I don't have a job, because since I'm the youngest in my class, I'm still too young to get one and will be until the start of junior year. I'd really like to ask a couple questions if you guys/girls wouldn't mind helping. :)

How do I go about learning about/applying for/obtaining scholarships? What kinds of scholarships are there?

Can scholarships from the US apply to schools in Canada? Is it only certain ones?

When I apply eventually, I want to apply for both Art Fundamentals and Illustration, and hopefully I would get into one. Thing is, I don't understand the application process, exactly? Especially for international students. All this portfolio, money, and forms business is rather confusing.

Also, I don't know anything about the student passes or visas or whatever they're called. The things that allow people to study in other countries? I don't know much about them, or how to obtain them. A link or explanation would be great.

I'm sorry for my general ignorance, but I really want to be prepared, and I don't know near anything about the whole process at all. If anyone wouldn't mind answering a question or two, it'd help a lot. Thanks!

[HEROIC]

Arrrright



THis thread is still aliveee
wow, how many people applyin to sheridan this year, i know I AM GOIN TO APPLYY :yay:



arghmisfit- ohh, so u applied? i gotta go by the site too. ill probably do it this week, oh, by the way u are at saskatchewan,, woooh, that would be great seeing u in sheridan man.

SO, this weekend i think is the porfolio day thing, that they would gather in a place to see portfoliosss, aye aye ayeee..



algebra- Heyyyy buddy, wow, ,15 of age. I wish i would know about sheridan when i was about ur ageee.
arright,, First of all, dont really get too obssesed that how much it will cost. An artist is an artist. First things first improve ur drawing skills, uve come to the right place, make an sketchbook. draw , draw , DRAWWW. and post it

if u want to aim for sheridan. great, i dont know about international students, i know an international student here in this site, she came from China, so u better ask her--> QIan or u can ask the others here too,, all these people are "friendly" they wont bite.

For me, am applying for it this year,, i hope i get in :^^;: ,, i MEAN I HAVEEEE TOOOO :S :P


Drizzt- heyyy PBAAA program,, yayyy, ANimation people hoooray :P
Good luck man




Ohhh, its been long i havent checked the site,
guys i started a new s.b last one was too messy :p
soo, plz pay a visit,

endregan,darth massacre plz do visit , thx :)

[Qian Wang]

To algebra:
Hi, I am who Heroic mentioned.:-) yup, I am from china and in art fundi(animation) for now. Allowing for you are from us, I am not sure if they have the same requirement for visa(I don't think they have the same thing. It should be much easier for US people to get a visa, even maybe you don't need it at all) So I think the best bet is to check the official website of ambassy.

I can also tell what I had done for my visa. You need to get the offer from sheridan first and then get those stuffs ready: passport, financial statement,study plan, diploma,transcripts and other files which are useful to prove what you have prepared. :-? really tiring , isn't it? I hope you don't have to do those things. They drove me crazy in a way. so,,wish you luck.:-)

To Heroic:
Hey, long time no see~ What's up?
I don't know if I can go to toronto these weekend for the national portfolio day...I really wanna join in it. I bet there will be tons of people there. ah~
plus, this Saturday, I am going to watch Harry Potter with my friends. can't wait!
Someone in my class has already began with the porfolio thing. Make me feel under pressure :-( I should get start ...though I am kinda lazy.

[algebra]

Thanks Qian Wang. That helps a lot. :)

[HEROIC]

To algebra:
To Heroic:
Hey, long time no see~ What's up?
I don't know if I can go to toronto these weekend for the national portfolio day...I really wanna join in it. I bet there will be tons of people there. ah~
plus, this Saturday, I am going to watch Harry Potter with my friends. can't wait!
Someone in my class has already began with the porfolio thing. Make me feel under pressure :-( I should get start ...though I am kinda lazy.



Heyyyy, ~ yaa, u gotttta come, ill kill u if u dont come :p
i havent started mine yet. i have 2 completed s.bs im doing my 3rd right now. ill try to get as much as i can everyday. im doing at least a page everyday.

oh,, by th way, next next saturday, there is an Open house at sheridan, ILL BEEE COMING THEREEE, with some friends,,,, yay


neone elses coming?? :/ :blahblah:

[Artistic Suicide]

Meh, I haven't started on my portfolio preparations either.

I've been totally busy this week. What with having seven paintings due in three weeks, four two-week assignments being due this week, watching new episodes of anime, and just general slacking(though I call it "brainstorming" if anyone asks), I haven't had any free time.

I thought the first few weeks of the program were supposed to be the hardest...? Ah, well, who needs a social life, eh? :wink:

~Blaine

[Qian Wang]

To Heroic:
well, I have to say I will try but not sure :-p
"Open House"...Yeah, heard about it, but what's it about? need to check it out....
We have tons of homework ah~~~ though they are really interesting assignments. I need to hand in my drawing for 2d design class tomorrow. but it really drive me crazy!
The first part is easy, but for the 2nd part, which is to draw 3 ball-like heads with 3 different expressions. it's so frustrating, especially when seeing other's works. O_o

To Algebra:
You are welcome! :-))

[Taj]

I was at the open house just today and i have to say that was one kick ass tour, your animation quarters were OMGWTFAMAZING.

I really wanna get into Animation now, and if any of you know "Cliff"? i think, tell him i had an awesome time and he was really helfull, great tour guide.

[darth massacre]

There was an open house? NO WONDER I HAVEN'T GOTTEN BACK ANY OF MY ASSIGNMENTS!!!

[HEROIC]

Taj- u were at the open house?? didnt u see the guy with the funny hat, and orange jacket,, with his crew?? ehh?? no? ;p
ya, open house was great, i talked to that guy from Disney(cant remember the name ) , and i talked to Andrew Bodor, mr fundiess;p

it was all great. :/ hope to get in though.

[Taj]

Nah Orange jacket doesnt come to mind, then again i spent half the time there on tour ( hour and a half two hours??) But yeah that Disney guy was awesome he explained alot, and the asian who was with him was tooo funny. I remember disney guy said something about hands and he came up and said "yeah dont draw the hands in the pocket do something awesome with them like this (and he heald up east side signs with his hands.

Oh and Good luck Heroic, what are you going to ttry to get into?

[arghmisfit]

what other interesting tid bits did they say at the open house?? :)

[Taj]

well she said not to quote her on this stuff but when the admissions lady was asked how people are accepted she said something like (paraphrasing)
We mark the portdfolio and say your son/daughter got a 75 in that but theres a bunch of other people with 75s on the portfolio then we look at the marks and if one has a 75 portfolio and 80 mark while the other has a 75 portfolio and 65 mark, then wewould take the 75 and 80, but if the student had a 65 this year we also look at his past years, grade 10-11 and see "well maybe he just did bad this term" and we would accpet that student

That's the only thing i really memorized...Probably more i just forgot.

[Qian Wang]

To Heroic:

I was there 2!!!! But I don't know which are you O_0. I saw a guy in black with his mother asking questions. My roommate and I were there . She is very tall. I am in red. .....

[Taj]

To Heroic:

I was there 2!!!! But I don't know which are you O_0. I saw a guy in black with his mother asking questions. My roommate and I were there . She is very tall. I am in red. .....

Ugh try being in the tour group with that guy his mom would yell out every 5 steps "WHERES THE MEDIA ARTS SECTION".


i was wearing a huge Black Jacket but i wasnt with my mom.

[endregan]

its crunch time boys and girls... GIT R DONE!

[HEROIC]

yaa that guy in black suit with his mom was pissin me off, he thought he fell froma heaven or so, with that stupid action of him, scratching his chin and talking.

I was there 2!!!! But I don't know which are you O_0. I saw a guy in black with his mother asking questions. My roommate and I were there . She is very tall. I am in red. .....
whereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?? i posted on this thread long agoo, whos coming to open house, and everyone was pickin their noses.. :/ darn it,, black jacket, and a tall girl, mmmmmm.. :( no i cant rmbr, , but i rmbr i was remarkable with that funny hat, and my ORANGE JACKET ;p

To Taj-
Im APpLYinG TO aNimATIon And IllUstration, But moreee to the ANimation siDee ;p

ur MisSiSSaguA? thaats pretty good, soo it will be:
Me,
sirgreensock,
Taj
arghmisfit
that are applying this year. :/ hope well be in that 200 people that are GOinG TO Be aCcEptEd :S

[endregan]

yeah good luck to those who applied i may end up seeing some of you next year.

i better see a lot of drawings done over christmas guys ok ?

[Sanby]

I was there too. Jeans, Black hoodie and a black hat, guess I would have blended in fairly well. Anyway, I got on a tour with the most amazingly useless tour guide, some girl from media arts or something. She gave us the most brain dead obvious bits of information, like that fact that you can buy doughnuts and tim hortons. So I just left the tour cause and did the exploring myself. I loved tha animation classes, that stuff was incredible. I also checked out residence. Anyone in residence now or at one point?

Well, I applied yesterday, Animation, Illustration and Fundies. Hope to see some of you next year.

BTW, anyone there currently who attends the Comic Jam on mondays? I just saw a sign up and thought it was a cool idea, it said they publish everything from the session every month. Thats sweet

Sanby

[arghmisfit]

cool... time to start drawing like mad mother fucker on wellfair.. :P :blah: :^^:

good luck to u all

[Taj]

I was there too. Jeans, Black hoodie and a black hat, guess I would have blended in fairly well. Anyway, I got on a tour with the most amazingly useless tour guide, some girl from media arts or something. She gave us the most brain dead obvious bits of information, like that fact that you can buy doughnuts and tim hortons. So I just left the tour cause and did the exploring myself. I loved tha animation classes, that stuff was incredible. I also checked out residence. Anyone in residence now or at one point?

Well, I applied yesterday, Animation, Illustration and Fundies. Hope to see some of you next year.

BTW, anyone there currently who attends the Comic Jam on mondays? I just saw a sign up and thought it was a cool idea, it said they publish everything from the session every month. Thats sweet

Sanby

Oh man isn't that animation hallway amazing?! my tour guid was soo helpfull. Oh, i saw that comic poster too but i thought it was like a school thing only, i was very impressed though.

I'm going to apply to the same stuff as you.

[thomasaurus]

I happened to be there as well, masquerading as the jesus lookalike with black zippy and jeans and green backpack, spending too much time in the animation dept with my jaw open... Cliff was a really great guy, answered all my questions, but his partner (the girl in illustration, I think) didnt sound like she knew the info very well herself...

I may end up applying tonight, or tomorrow night. Either way it is very soon.

[Taj]

Oh shit Nor i think i saw you i went back to the animation hallway and saw a guy in a green jacket chilling. Did you have a black sketchbook with you?

Good luck yo everyone applying, I'm putting a short maybe 10-30 sec animation for my portfilio with the help of a teacher. Anyone else planning on doing something special for there portfolio?

[thomasaurus]

Sorry Taj, wrong guy. Only my backpack was green, kinda like military camo green. Easiest way to recognize me is my bohemian hair.

[arghmisfit]

for those who applied in the past and were accepted... did you write up a list of which medium u used for which piece? or what?

[WildSpruceMoose]

Funny guys, I was working away at object drawing last Saturday. Didn't even know an openhouse was going on until I heard strange voices in the hallways. More object drawing this weekend, woohoo(not). Sounds like a lot of animators, enjoy the "lifestyle" can be addictive I've noticed haha.

arghmisfit, my portfolio was delivered in person so they could roughly tell what most of my pieces were in, and most were pencil with a couple acrylic and gouache pieces. You could consider putting the mediums on the back with your name, especially if you have mixed media, or vibrant paintings. Being printed off and all, them knowing what you're experienced with can help a lot. I'm sure it won't be a problem for you just by seeing your stuff, but don't skimp on the drawing test! And the sketchbook idea we talked about on irc is a really good idea to show them your process...perhaps a little expensive but it'll seal the deal.

Best of luck everyone in your college applications! Sheridan's programs are high quality H20 :D

[alxcote]

haha i met my new tootbrush and he said we could go down to hell. And that down there a special place was made just for me.