krytos.selfportrait.221

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Heya, im new here :D My goal is to hit 500 and then 1000 and then 1500 and so on :steph:
I've been posting my self portraits on my sketchbook thread but i thought if i post it here, i would get more critiques and improve more :)

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using hard pastel.. i dunno if i have made the same mistake or not but i tried to make the eye 1/2 of the head now :)

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used hard pastel on this, im trying out the cool and warm colours, didn't out well though :asspat: my eyes are too high up again *smacks head*

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used carbon chalk.. sigh i miss drawing digitally portrait cause i can flip and check but using traditional, i didn't noticed except for my side my face is improportionated but when i checked on photoshop, my mouth, nose and eyes are all out of sync :ore: :ore: :ore: i guess i have to practice alot more =/

[dcorc]

Start a drawing with a sharp pencil.

1.start by lightly sketching in straight lines which approximate to the shapes of the face - look for edges, of structures, and of areas of light and dark. Think of abstract shapes, not "eyes", "mouth" etc.
2. compare each line to the other lines you have already made, see how the ends of your line relate to the ends of your previous lines.

Ask yourself, with each line you draw:

Is this line too long? or too short? (in relation to other lines)
Is it at the correct angle (too steep? or too shallow?)
Are the spaces between lines correct (for example, how does the height of the upper lip, from the bottom of the nose to the lip-edge, compare with the height from the lip-edge to the chin - is the relationship in the subject matched by the relationship in the drawing).

Spend some time mapping out your placements in this way. Don't start shading until you have them reasonably accurate.

I'm not suggesting getting out a ruler and measuring millimeters - just eyeballing it but thinking in terms of relative distances and angles.

If you are OK to post a photo of yourself, I'll do a quick demo of the approach, if it helps you?


Dave

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Thanks Dave! Thanks for the advices :)

Im gotta try the method later on :) Btw do you suggest drawing big or small? Thanks again!

[dcorc]

Fairly big is better - half to three-quarters life-size. Small drawings place more demands on you being pinpoint accurate.

Your photo is in very diffuse and frontal lighting - if you lit your subject (yourself, in this case) from one side, 3/4 view, you would give yourself an easier subject to draw, as you would have some good shadows which would help indicate and model the form.

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dcorc> Thanks, lemme go take another photo again :)

I hope this is what u mean? :o

i put up another face front but light is sidewards

[dcorc]

Yes, those are better - a bit bleached out in the lights, but it would give you some shapes to work with, draw in the shadow-edges. Back shortly...

[dcorc]

OK, here's a quick sketch (not great, sorry) that I did from your first photo, to demonstrate what I suggested - shapes, including edges of shadows (and here, halftones) are plotted out as straight-line approximations (same idea as Bargue plates) - I've put in the lines a bit more heavily than I normally would, to make them easy to photograph:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9590/galaxis1ua9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A bit of shading to make more sense of things:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5203/galaxis2jx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some smudging with a tissue:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/377/galaxis3nc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Finishing touches:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2540/galaxis4pa1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

8B pencil on cold-pressed watercolour paper (first things to hand!) and a putty eraser - about 1 hour drawing time, (plus photography etc).


Dave

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dcorc> Thanks Dave! Wow that must took you a lot of effort for me! Im really grateful :) I'm gotta draw 1 right now and hope i could do you proud :)

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Okay here it is! Even though it didn't look as great as urs, but quite satisfied i learn this new way of shading :):steph:

used 4b pencil most of the time and 2b and 8b for touchup, spending around an hour

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using 4b n 8b pencil :yayca:

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shall improve on the next piece...i have a tendency of drawing my face too short =/ grrr

[dcorc]

Hi - OK, looking good. One thing I'd like to emphasise is the very first stage of such a drawing - before you get to any shading..

The idea of starting by straight-line approximations of edges - assess the relative lengths and angles of each line, and the spaces between lines.

Eyeball it first, then measure to check (measurement doesn't have to be complex, just the old - hold the pencil out and mark out top and bottom by the pencil end and your thumbnail), and correct if its wrong. Doing it this way hones your ability to "eyeball" by giving you feedback on the size and nature of any errors.

Oh - and - take your time - don't be in a rush. Don't aim to do the fastest drawing, aim to do the best drawing

Dave

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Hey Dave, Thanks for checking out the thread again :) Thanks for the useful insight, gotta take note it :) I guess i always rush my self portraits thats why its always out of proportion :davi: Alright i shall aim to do a best drawing self portrait :D

So for sep17, soft pastel self portrait i thought i would use this medium cause it train my brush strokes :geekg: I shall do another pencil portrait for Dave in the meantime. Thanks for the critique, comment :) Really appreciated

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Here it is :) Hope it looks okay :D i think portrait has a devilious eyes *stares hard* :o

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long time since i touched digital so i tried using it today :steph:

quite satisfied... i think it looks quite like me? :batgirl:

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did another pencil rendered self portrait.. kind of fked up :mod:

[Farsh]

Singapore also? Same here. :) First time looking at this thread. Really gotta respect the effort it takes to do these self-portraits.
Something I thought I'd mention, I think your initial construction on many of the drawings are not accurate enough, try to avoid shading and detailing until your proportions in the initial sketch are correct. I would go so far as to say that shading is secondary until you have a workable sketch, further description of form with shading is pointless until your initial drawing reads correctly.

Look at the shape of the head in the last one, the outline or silhouette goes very wrong towards the top left of the picture, i see an obvious bulge coming out of that part of the head. Don't aim for likeness too early into the picture, think of the head as an object and how to draw/construct it as you would any other object, if the drawing is accurate, the likeness will be there.

Anyway, don't mean to be harsh, you're taking on a difficult task, keep up the good effort and you'll see improvement in no time.

[algenpfleger]

Dude, the digital one is awesome, the values are great! But your penciled ones become stronger as well. You should really read Loomis' books, they teach you a lot about structure and such, helped me tons :) http://acid.noobgrinder.com/Loomis/

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Farsh> hehe yeah im Singaporean too :D Alright ill take that down in mind.. so i took a photo of my portrait without tones today too.. the overall face shape is a real problem to me >_> But i shall improve!! :yum: Are you studying or already working? :P

algenflegger> Heya, thanks for checking this thread out :D Your self portraits are 100x awesomer than mine :P Hmm yeah i just started without Loomis's book today..damn im slow, should have started it long ag o:ore: But nevertheless its better than never starting at all :D



for sep19 :) off to study more loomis :assspank:

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down with a fever but it isn't an excuse to not do self portrait :yayca:

done using mechanical pencil.. lots of mistake that i didn't find until i used photoshop to flip >.<

[algenpfleger]

Haha, if you#re in front of a mirror, why would you need PS to flip the image? :D

Nice work man, I like how you let your hatching follow the form, definitly explore that further okay? :D

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algenfleger> haha i guess im used to see image flipped in a monitor compared to using mirror xD Thanks i will explore more into this style :D

sep22, using mechanical pencil again :D

[Farsh]

Waiting for NS, you? A lot of variation in your pieces, try taking a photo of yourself, import it into photoshop and push up the brightness/contrast. See the lights and shadows simplified? that's what you should be trying to describe, the play of light over shadow that is form, not the outlines of the individual details. Keep going.

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Farsh> Nanyang poly, Digital Media Design year 1 :p Hehe i did that taking photo and draw but den for now i feel like drawing myself from mirror :D

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yes bangs :D

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sep 24..

today i tried to use shadows and light to show form like what Farsh said but i guess i failed miserably... Im not sure if im doing it correctly so i took a WIP shot.. i think i managed to let the eye and mouth shows using this method but i cant keep the proportations when using this method :ore: :ore: :ore: I also have to study when does the plane of the face changes! :mittenbop:

sooo what a bad portrait today but learnt a bit :D on another note, it sucks to draw in the dark with light hitting next to you @_@ my eyes hurt now x_x

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sep 25.. mistakes....too long chin and the shape of the head is ..:S

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sep26, mechanical pencil + red chalk

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sep27, i got the proportion crooked.. didn't see it when i check with the mirror but saw it when i checked with photoshop =_=...

[*makus]

Hi Jake! Didn't know you're on CA too :D

I think one of the bad habits you have right now, is to draw a clear outline around the features. Put stress and accentuate parts like the corners of the eyes and mouth. For the other parts, a faint suggestion of a line will more than suffice. Remember that sometimes, less is more.

Your determination and discipline is incredible. Consider me inspired!

[Earendil]

I highly recommend Betty Edwards book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". She has a lot of great exercises that shift your mind into the right gear for drawing, and help solve a lot of the issues most beginning students have.

Here's her website.
http://www.drawright.com/

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makus> Thanks xD im exposed now >_> *goes into hiding* Feel great if i managed to inspired you as ur one of the few who managed to inspire me into going digital :) So i took ur advice and did that for today's portrait

Earendil> Thanks for the recommendation ill def check it out one day, dont have the fund right now since i just bought some books :x

28th sep.. i just managed to find a scanner to scan this in.. im not sure if the quality is better than the ones that i took with my camera phone... :anime: and yes that is my bolster that is with me for many many many decade years xD kinda tired today so i hugged it while i draw >_>

[algenpfleger]

Getting better man! :) Try to look for the planes, and mark them in your drawing so you could just fill them with flat values if you wanted, like those geographic maps that show different heights. Keep going man :)

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algen> Yeah i will ;) Thanks, you too keep going :D

sep29, mechanical pencil + copics xD .. Copics are fking expensives i bought 2 and it cost me $10+:davi:

ps. in this portrait i felt that i kind of look like itachi from naruto lols well thats what i felt lolol ^^ except i dont have teh shairgann powerrr:rocker:

[Earendil]

Looking better. I feel like you're missing just a little bit off the top of your head. That tone around your neck is creating a kind of second contour for me, so maybe it's making your face look wider than it is. Either way, keep it up!

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Ear> Haha thanks ;) The tone of my neck is weird because i only have 2 copic markers, hence limited to 3-4 tones:rocker:

sep30.. eyes look crooked, damn!

[algenpfleger]

Copics! Awesome. I don't have any of these, they're expensive as hell :(

Looks great too! Just don't realy on them too much, learn to hatch with pencil as well :)

Nice to see you paying attention to the planes!

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alger> Thanks xD i was just trying out many different medium, techniques, styles in this long journey xD and yes yes pencil hatching on this one :P

oct 1... let my elite noob hatching skill burn ur eyes @_@

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oct2 tired as shitt from my workkk so it ends up looking shitty today >:o

[algenpfleger]

Niiice, keep pushing! Try making "patches" of value with the pencil instead of just hatching wild :) Like DanielC does, he's awesome D:

[Earendil]

I'd suggest checking out Kevin Chen's post here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=65307&postcount=37), where he shows the different types of eyes and facial features. I plan on doing some closeup studies of my features, combined with some books, to understand how they're constructed a little better. I think this will help you too.

Keep it up! :)

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algen> Haha alright man :P was lazy yesterday thats why hatched wildy :yayca: *felt ashamed* lol

Earendil> Thanks i will check it out :P


oct3> felt asleep last night and didn't do my self portrait... so i woke up in the morning and did one.... thats one of the reason my hair looked so messed up.. drew my face too narrow and my mouth is crooked >_> brush pen :D

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oct4...messed it up... made the major mistake that i did at the begining... my nose n eyes are too far up...damn it! i must do a good one soon or i will feel so demoralized :ore:


This is done with Black colour pencil...have to bursh up on hatching skills

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oct5.. using mechanical pencil sry for not adding in value, im rushing late now.... so ciao!

[Earendil]

This last one looks more correct than the one before it. I think it goes to show how important it is to get proportions right first, then render. Keep up the good work!

[polipol]

Thanks for stopping by mine..... You're showing some awesome progress man :confident... well from what everyone else has said it seems like you're taking it on board, my crit would be to try and observe more while you're drawing....earendill suggested a book by betty edwards, i'd suggest it also theres a ton of interesting stuff in their about observation, perception, psychology(of how the brain works when drawing)....

keep it up man! :}

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Ear> Thanks xD but it actually doesn't resemble me xD my face is more long than fat :P
polipoli> Thanks for stopping by too. Yeah ill try to get the book but right now im tight on budget :P

Here are oct 6 & 7, sorry for not updating...grandma moves in my room and now im roomless and tableless.. how sad is it for an artist xD Life in my living room is miserable as its so stuffy :ore: :ore: so i managed to find time and scan in this 2 portraits...

i think oct7 resemble me the most o.O and i found out my face 's width aren't 5 eyes long... not sure why though.. maybe i measured wrongly >_>

[Earendil]

Getting better! I'm not sure if you do this already, but when you start out, decide the length from the top of your head to your chin, then you can divide that vertical line into the correct proportions. Giving yourself boundaries can help a lot!

I'm not sure about the five eyes width in your case, but in my case, I realized my whole face and nose weren't symmetrical, so if you don't fit the proportions exactly I think that's ok, that's what makes your face unique.

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Ear> Yeah i do mark top and bottom :P Thanks though. Haha yeah everyone has different faces xD

oct 8.. spend 3hrs+ on this and it look so bad still... i was trying to learn how to use my many brushes that i created when im not doing digital SP and learn edges of the face.. im not sure if i get the edges right on today's one though.. sigh sigh sigh >:| >:| >:|

[Farsh]

Rendering has improved man! still gotta work on structural drawing though, keep practicing! Remember, big picture, don't get caught up in the details. :)

[kikindaface]

Yeah, rendering looks really nice on the last sp Try to put a bit more contrast on your painting, and try to detail eyes, this is the part the most important, eyes will bring alive your portrait, so keep up that work. Nice to see your improvment :)

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Farsh> Thanks i will xD
Walid D> Thanks ill try but then im trying to get the proportion right first before detailing which isn't that important right now :P I will do it when i get the basic correct first xD

oct9... charcoal pencil + carbon chalk.. really messed up the proportion but its my first time starting with drawing the nose... ill try to do this often so see if it works for me :D

[Earendil]

One thing that might help you with eye/nose/mouth placement is to imagine vertical lines coming off the boundaries of your features. You can imagine these lines while looking at yourself, then block the basic boundaries of your mouth, eyes, etc. It makes the whole "mouth edges are directly below center of eyes, etc" easier to judge, compare, and make corrections to.

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Ear>Yeah i do that :P Thanks for the tip though :geekg:

oct10.. using 8B pencil >_>:yayca:

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oct 11.. same with using 8b pencil

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oct 11.. same with using 8b pencil

[algenpfleger]

Duuuude these are getting so much better! :D

[~Faust~]

Hmmm when viewing your SPs I thought you were a girl! Now your features are getting slightly more masculine (Don't know wether that's a good thing, guess it depends on your gender HAHA!)

About that painted one, you can render all the time you want, you could have painted 1 week more on that thing and it wouldn't improve, since the #1 and realy only thing is the structure and proportions! Kind of a 2D- §d- thing:

Structure (3D): Knowledge of the cranial area of the bone-system, you know where all the bulkings and shit have to be and you can simplify the forms to basic geometrc shapes to finally apply tone to create the ilusion of space

porportions (2D), you must see the angles (That's obviously not the case with your side of your face, almost every face has a different angle on the face) and you must observe all the distances correctly

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algen> Thanks xD but my progression is very slow compared to others :ore:
Faust> Haha i should leave u guessing then xD Anyway im doing a front face portrait now cause i wanted to make my proportion all correct first before going into another angle xD

oct12 (Just woken up so my messed hair and stupid look) & oct13

Btw i found out my right cheekbone protude out more than my left cheekbone WTF!! noooooooooo imbalanced face 4 life D: D: D: D:

Should i drraw myself with balanced cheekbone or should i draw exactly who i am with imbalanced cheekbone? >_>:ore: :ore:

ANYWAY SCHOOL STARTS TMR! (first day of sch after holiday) which is like 8am >_> and now its 1.50am gotta get some sleep... travel time is an hr >_>

[Earendil]

Galaxis, draw ALL of your little imperfections. They're what make your face your own, and nobody elses! October 10th's SP, has some of the best looking eyes/nose/mouth you've drawn to date. Keep exploring! Push it! RARR! :P

[~Faust~]

You are in control of that pencil, draw whatever the fuck you want.

I read a comment of android in an SP-thread some years ago that I found utterly inspiring and I think it could somehow help you right now:

Soja my friend,

let me firt tell you how proud i am to see your dedication and experimentation demonstrated within this thread. i can see a progression of growth and maturity from the start to finish. the exploration of mediums and compositions is great to see. Its wonderfull to see you embrace this practice and grow so much within it.
as far as advice i would encourage you to try to look at your face with fresh eyes, draw a portrait without a mirror to the best of you ability and memory , take you time and bring it to a finish, then take that drawing and study it while looking in the mirror, observe every aspect of that portrait that differs from your reflection, the inconstancies between the memory portrait and you reflection will visualy demonstrate to you the features of your face that your immagination has exagerated. study all of the differences. then take a fresh pice of paper and draw another self portrait from the same pose or angle looking into the mirror as accurately as possible. forget what you think you know about your face and stare at yourself like it was a total stranger. draw this stranger as if it were the most important person you have ever met. remover all distractions concentrate and embrace this moment like it was the most precious moment of your life, take all the time you need, you will know when you are finished. after you complete this compare these two drawings together, the diferences will demonstrate the diferences between obeservation and the minds reality. realize that both of these images are you!. there is no wrong or right. do not judge.
it is my hope that this excersize will help you to realize the infinite of imagination and the beauty and perfection of the tangiable world. when you begin to harness the power of these two defferent perspectives you will unlock andother key to the true potential of you art.


best of luck my friend--

andrew
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Ear> Thanks i will xD :mittenbop: :mittenbop:
Faust> Andrew is truly inspiring :)

oct 14, well i kind of recognise myself from this portrait but my features are crooked , still trying to practice til i dun make them slant =_=... lips are too big on this otherwise looks 70% like me :D kind of proud of myself :anime:

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oct15. 8b pencil yet again >_> dont think im improving :( But at least i kind of understand my own features :D


Oh and i smudge my pencils becauseee i want to learn soft edge and hard edge as well thats why >_> i dunno if this is bad because many bad things are said about smudging..

[algenpfleger]

Dude you'll be able to create soft edges in pencil if you train your hand to draw really light values! It's really hard, but once you got it it's a million times better than smudging :)

Not that I'd be able to do it yet o_o

[~Faust~]

I agree, smudging and pencil looks horrible. You better watch out that your drawings aren't skewed so much into the top-right corner. A common thing, happens to everyoe actually. Just keep in mind :) Values getting long, though. But think more global when applying values, one side light, one side shadow and everybody can see where the light comes from. That way, you achieve plasticity.

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Algen> yeah its really difficult, but since i use 8b, i will sure be getting dark values, should i change to something lighter? I dont really know how pencil works xD But from what i read 8b = softest, good for soft edge?haha Im not sure... Or should i go for 2b,4b? If im using wooden pencil im usually trying to value in with the side of the pencil :D have to learn new techniques xD

Faust> Alright thanks! i will take note of it! Sometimes i dont reall have too dark value on 1 side because of the reflected light elsewhere >_> But ill try to do more potraits in the night where everyone is sleeping so i can just lit my own light for a one light source portrait :D


Alright guys ive been lazy to scan in my works..and since its saturday i got my ass to scan in lol :X
oct16...brush pen + some more darks added in photoshop(dont wanna waste ink lol) >_>

oc17> i think this is by far 1 of the better one ive done.. except i have a weakness in drawing the outline of face shapes// argh!!! i am less meaty xD :lifedrawing:

(opps i forgotten to erase the eye line) :ore:

[~Faust~]

The ink-portrait looks very nice!

[Earendil]

I don't even think such a large shape for the upper lip is needed, just some indicators. I've been wrong before, but the way it is now makes it look like you have a mustache.

Keep up the good work!

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Faust> Thanks :)
Earendil> Thanks :) I drew such thick lips cause i saw an illustration portrait with outlined upper lips just a line for the lower lips..im not sure if its correct or wrong though xD I guess i should research more ;)

oct 18 n 19..i feel im improving :D

[Maxine Schacker]

You need to get a hold of a book like "Bridgman's Complete Guide To Drawing From Life" and study the chapter on skulls, heads and features.

It's great that you're drawing every day, but, in order to make progress you need to think about structure.

I hope you are also thinking about, and drawing, basic forms like boxes and cylinders and thinking about viewpoint and perspective.

If you can run lines over conceived forms, you will be on the way to drawing.

[~Faust~]

Yeah, structure, proportions , all that shabang, I have to repeat that so many times, maybe I'll get to do it some day! XD

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Maxine> Thanks! Ive been reading and practising the book these past 2 days(But im still at the beginning of understanding the construction chapter).. god im slow @_@

Faust> Haha yeah i wish i could understand them :o But hopefully one day after many years of practising, i could get it right finally :geekg:

Oct20 and oct21.. both using Bridgeman's construction.. oct 20 is my first time using the construction so it appears so weird xD but getting better on the second one :D (Mum said my oct 21's look like me :D)

[Earendil]

Aha! Looking better, however the left eye (our right) is larger than the other eye in the latest one.

Keep going with Bridgeman! You're adding more of the appropriate amount of volume to the back and top of your head, giving a more realistic look.

[algenpfleger]

Yesss getting better indeed! :D Keep focusing on volume and structure!

[polipol]

yeah man cant crit much, i agree with what the others have said :D..bridgeman is awesome, im sure you'll enjoy studying his work :D...17th and 21st hits a good likeness ...that ink one is funky bro!!! nice nice nice! ... keep at it man :D...

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Earen> Thanks :D I tthink ive been neglecting the eyes while im focusing on the construction xD Gotta focus more next time :yum:

Algen> Thanks :D, I shall focuss *focus focus focus and faints from over focusing* lol :yayca:

polipoi> Thanks :D Brdgeman is sure fun yet tedious to study :D Sometimes i have to analyse for a long time before i can figure out why he draw that line:anime:

oct22> Same old mechanical pencil, looks quite like me

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oct23> used charcoal... been awhile since i touched them D: my mouth is way too below hence the odd looking face :ore: :ore: :ore:

(sorry about the quality, was taken in the night with ceiling lights + lousy camera phone):ore:

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oct 24.. long time since i touched digital =/ Not sure if it looks too soft, cause i used soft brush all the way except hard brush to do the some hard edge...sucked to the max:davi:

doesn't even recognise myselfff :xpld: :xpld:

[kikindaface]

Hey man, you've made some improvment ! Your last selfportrait is really good, because even if this selfportrait doesn't really looks like your face, this one really looks like a real human. You now, it's the same as doing portrait, your main goal is not that your painting looks like your model, but that it looks like a human, that your painting is alive. Then, when you've achieved this goal, you can more focus on the likeness with the model.
So keep it up man :)

[~Faust~]

Last one is defiately a step up! Now try to define the area around the eyes more, the skull has two wholes where the eyes are supposed to be and the whole area is pretty defined normally.

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Walid> Thanks!
Faust> Thanks! Haha its hard for me to define the shadows around my eyes cause im asian and i dont have deep eye socket xD But ill try to render my eyes better... my eyes always look dead =/

oct25...real bad day, tried using one of the speed technique by zhuzhu on 1 of his work but failed ultimately... bleh.

[Earendil]

Any particular reason you went with these colors? Who is zhuzhu?

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Earen> http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70451
a great speedpainter :P

I uses red and green mostly cause his portrait of his girls are usually in that color :P so i tried using it..

And i think cause with green beside red, it makes red "pops out"

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oct26> i kind of like today's portrait :steph:

off topic butt Jessica alba is hot =]

[algenpfleger]

Yes she is :D

Last one is good, I like how you focus more on the lips. Don't make the upper border too hard, lips are sooooooooffffffffffffffffft. Like this. Remember that they always involve forshortening as well, since they make up something like half a circle.

[~Faust~]

I like the eyes on that one. Next time I think you should be trying to depict exactly what you see! Treat this SP as a meditation, become one with the moment and saviour every stroke!

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Algen> Thanks xD Do u mind explaining what is forshortening? *Kind of slow in understanding haha*

Faust> Thanks im trying to depict what i see except for some features which im still trying to figure out :)

oct27... dead tired.. was rushing sch work and did my portrait... its 4am now and i have to leave house at 7am for school.. 2hours + of sleep :yayca:

[algenpfleger]

Err, foreshortening is when... things get shortened because of perspective. Like an arm pointing at the viewer gets. o_o
The mouth always has that, because it's round.

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Algen> I think i know what u mean :D Thanks!

[Sahnchen]

hey =) i've been watching here for a certain time and I think you really improved! at the moment i like this (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=494535&stc=1&d=1224304420) one most!

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Sahnchen> Thanks for watching :D Really appreciated :)

oct28> blind contour, hard as fk lol

oct29> same old mechanical pencil..really sorry about the quality.. im using HB lead, its hard to scan in the values >_>

I need to learn to make my eyes more lively... eyes are so dead for so long haha

[Earendil]

It's just a matter of rendering the details I think. Right now, there's not pupil I can see, and no textured ring around the pupil, and no specular highlight suggesting a wetter surface. Look at Kevin Chen's figure drawings, he covers the eye briefly, but well. :)

Keep it up!

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Earendil> Thanks ive downloaded i think 100+ images of Kevin Chens downloads off a website haha xD but i haven't read it yet *bad me*

And yeah i think im tired to render details lol I ought to sometime..

oct30.. Very lack of value cause i was concentrating more about finding the planes...(lots of planes are off but practices will make u close to perfect :D since there is no perfect :D)

Self critiq: Eyes are too high above by a cm and my right eye is not in a line..

[Sahnchen]

3:16 A.M.? What are you doing at such an hour? O_o

I like the clean shadow-lines but when you make them that straight your face doesn't look soft anymore rather angled. And I think the right side (seen from my position) of the mouth is a little bit too long.
The outlines of the face are much better than before and in general your face looks more realistic! I only think your chin is a little too thin but the rest is fine =)

What did you use to draw this picture? It isn't pencil, is it?

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Sahnchen> Thanks, Hmm when i reach home after school its like around 7pm to 8pm.. Dinner for an hour or 30min..Ill then bath or take a few moments to surf CA.org. After that school work, more and more drawings.... argh D: So after all is done, sometimes i do my own studies if im not tired.. Afterwards ill do my self portrait... Hence my sleeping time sucks.. and i have to reach sch the next morning at 8am D:

Hmm my objective on the last one is to make the planes noticable, planes are flat that is why its angular, instead of going curved hatching i want to find out the plane before going into form :D I dunno if this is what you mean :P

Hmm i use mechanical pencil with HB lead.. its dark cause the scans that is shown is quite light hence i use ps to adjust the scan..


oct31... a month passes fast...and TOMMOROW IS INTERNATIONAL SELF PORTRAIT DAY =D EVERYONE DO ONE =D its a really nice event hence im so excited hehehe..:steph: :steph:

Using mostly straight lines on this one, just revising bridgman's head studies..

i realised i typed quite a lot today.. opps :x

[algenpfleger]

Yeeeeeeeeeesssss tomorrow will be awesome! Hope you're in!! Great job on the last one!

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algen> Thanks xD Hope your in too! Actually by the time i typed this msg im already in haha xD

nov1 the international self portrait day! :D I should do a good one for such a day but i failed miserabley with a failed experiment Dx

First few times trying to paint skin colors but it isn't an excuse to fail so badly :ore: but at least i learnt some more things about skin tones :D

[Sahnchen]

Wow, I really like it!! I watch this a little more abstract not realistic but I like it the way it is =) I just think the shadows around the nose are a little bit too dark, but it's okay.
More stuff like this!! =D

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Sahnchen> Thanks xD its really hard to do value when adding colors too x.x I was using the watercolor brush and it doesn't paint over the colors easily it just get darker and darker the more u paint over xD needs more practice Dx


nov2> i did 2 today.. school asked us to do 3 head studies with 3 diff views, front,side,3/4 so i thought i would do self portrait studies too but since i cant see myself in a side view, i did 2 self portrait from front and 3/4 view

[Sahnchen]

i don't even know how to use computer programs at all except for choosing the brush, open a canvas or something like this xD

i really like the first self portrait, the shadows are very good! your face looks more and more real and you put the things on their right place (with "things" i mean eyes, nose, hair etc)
but the second one looks so different from the first one; the lines look more unclean and the form of your head does not suits as good as one the first one, i think.

but i'm looking forward for your next portraits =)

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sahnchen> Thanks , Glad that you like them :) Maybe in the 2nd one im worn out, doing 3 head studies and 2 self portrait in a row :xpld: I dunno if the next few will be disappointing because im doing them in tired state... school taking away my time, practice time, sleep time :frustrated: :frustrated:


nov3> blind contour, as sucky as usual

nov4> did this in the train using the window's reflection which is quite blurry and hence i cant really see myself so its 50 observation/50 imagination

nov5> the same old trying to find plane and learning where the plane goes

*goes off to do/study sch work* typography really sucks i really have no idea whats the point of tracing so many letters :frustrated: :frustrated:

[Earendil]

The latest one looks much better! Push those planes and values! If you can, try and set up a lightsource that clearly defines the lights and darks of your facial planes. More dramatic landscape lighting is usually when the sun is not directly overhead, but earlier or later, so there are interesting/dramatic shadows. Same thing with your face! :) Try some side lighting!

[Sahnchen]

Yeah, I also like the last one! It's a good 3/4-view of your head; the previous ones I didn't like so much.
I agree Earendil, you should push more on values! Well, it's good to set clear shadows to train where to set them but I think now you can try to make more nuances and more smooth transitions.

Well, you train very very hard... it's very good, I admit it, but you shouldn't overdo it. You also should think about your health. And it's best with 6-8 hours sleep per day ;)

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Earen> Thanks, i will try to push the values =p

Sahnchen> Thanks, i will try to push the values too but the reason ive not been pushing these values are because im so tired and its so late.. if i do shading it will take me like 10-15mins which is a few moments of sleep time i want xD However, ill try to push them :P And also its really hard to grab 6-8hrs of sleep although i know its really harming my health...However, im always left with 2-3hrs of free time after sch before the clock strikes 1am. So i spent 1hr+ resting, 1hr+ on self portrait and its already late :( and if i dont sleep early i have time to practice extras such as anatomy etc etc etc i start school at 8am(god damn those management who set my timetable :uzi2: ) so im always sleeping for like 4-5hrs =/

nov 7> i missed the previous day due to falling asleep accidentally...will make up for it later or tommorow.. still trying out this digital style not sure if it works on me but if i keep painting like this, it may work out :D but i think this style is most probably labelled as muddy >_>
sigh the features for today's suck ass =_=

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nov 8> my face in planess :mod:

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nov9> yeah.. good oldie pencils

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nov10> just having fun...using fineliner,color pencil,brush pen,markers

[AztcFireFlower]

Hi notti,

I like that you explore many mediums and ideas. This will certainly keep your work fresh.
I see you are following advice on structure and I see the progress and great improvements. I saw Loomis referenced also. STUDY his guidelines. Memorize them 1st, then apply to your self-portraits. Once you know the key points, then you'll know where to break them in your art.

Keep exploring as you do because you will only get better and better.

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Aztc> Thanks for checking this thread :D Thanks im studying loomis and bridgman togetherr :D And yeah i like using different mediums because it let me experiment with new stuff and i would not feel bored doing SPs :P

nov11> color pencil..

[Sahnchen]

Even with a hole in your head you look cool xD

[Leysan]

The shadows in the last one look good, the eyes look a bit flat though, maybe you could make the eyeballs look more spherical.

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Sanchen> Thanks xD
Leysan> Thanks, im still working on the eyes xD been told that my eyes are dead by a few fellow CA members xD but til now its still no improvement haha :ore:

nov12> held a mirror close to my face to draw... was hard

nov13> a study for my eyes my evil pair of eyes :)

nov14> trying out a new drawing method/style from chromosome :D check out his sketchbook :)

[PChabot]

hi notti! I think the one I love best would be #128 I like the different hatching lines following the form of your face. I need to practice doing that!
Keep it up! :)

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pchabot> Thanks :D i was following the planes though :D not sure if its same as form though x_X

nov15> a quick digital sketch + color

oh i noticed after doing so many traditional, my digial sketch is so much faster and more accurate :D

[Sahnchen]

It's great to feel improvement, isn't it?
I like the last one but I think the chin is a little bit too short (or the mouth too low?). The dynamic lines are good!

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Sahnchen> yeah it sure do :D Hmm i think my mouth is too low xD yeah dynamic lines rocks too bad i am only able to do it digitally xD undo button is <3

nov16> just same old plane studies

nov17> trying to run lines over form but it failed miserably since i have no knowledge on forms of my face yet.. guess i shall go from plane to form soon >_>

rawrrr not doing SP too well recently been traped in school work :mod:

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nov18> hmm out of proportion Dx

nov19> badly done using brush pen was very tired after coming from sch,around 11pm! @_@

nov20> not very please..eyes are as hard as biiiii ch lol

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Took some time to put together the 100 portraits

[shamandalie]

Hey, i'm from singapore too!

WOW!!! Already a hundred! :) you're not gonna stop here, aren't you? :P
Okay, i think i'm gonna join in. :D:D:D

[Sahnchen]

Wow, there are really already 100 selfportraits? Respect! Keep doing it =) I want more 100 selfportraits! xP

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shaman> Thanks, im Galaxis actually :p name changed

Sahnchen> Thanks xD hopefully ull see a 200 self portrait in 3 months time :D

not updating regularly because school work is so heavy hence i have no time to scan.. always sleep right after i done it.

nov 22> another digital, with weird colors heh heh.... ill be uploading the 21 and 23 scanned one soon after i posted this >_>

Edit: apparently my scanner has met a problem @_@ hence ill try to fix this tonight

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yeah im not dead, nor am i not doing my self portraits.. just that its very busy this whole week and i think it will still be next week.. @_@ scanner is spoilt so these are taken by my camera phone, hence the quality isn't that good :P

[kikindaface]

Wow, great selfportrait ! You are almost mastering proportions, in a few days (or weeks:P ) it will be awesome !! Looking forward to see your improvment, and your really motivte me to continu to update my daily selfportrait thread !

[Sahnchen]

Great pictures! =D Keep going on...!
And look after you, don't let your life to be too busy =(

[PChabot]

Wow!
These last ones are really nice!
Very inspiring :)

[shamandalie]

Now that's improvement! Keep it up notti! :D

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sry been tired,lazy to post recently...

i felt weak i felt that i deproved.. my proportion sucks...


sorry for sucky quality.. scanner broke down and i only have free time during the night.. =/

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your getting a lot better. =)
watch out for your head shape though. in a lot of your drawings your features tend to take over your face.

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Thanks, maybe cause after sketching out a blocked head shape i started with nose to mouth to eye and the head shape.. maybe thats why.. but if i start with the head shape my proportion get messed up @_@ sigh i have to do more studies

[Sahnchen]

Great update! =D I see some improvement.
Good to see, you haven't given up.

[sketcheth]

Wow! It looks like you've learned a lot already! I like how in the more recent ones you're paying more and more attention to the structure of your face with hatching. Keep doing that, I think you'll find you learn a lot about what your face really looks like and not just what you think. I think as artists we have a tendency to have a lot of preconceived ideas on what things look like. Can't wait for more!

[Karein]

I've had a look through your whole thread, and I must say I am impressed with your persistence and willpower. You have improved alot in the structure of the face from your earlier works. Great Job! Keep at it :D

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Sorry for not posting... *hides*

Erm im still doing SPs and im gotta post 5 by 5 instead of the huge chunk of image x. i took a 1 week break to think and evaluate so, from now on ill take a different approach, focusing on the head's form,plane,value better instead of my feature. i figured i would improve more through these exercises ( learnt it from fredflickstone in one of his exercises, can go search on threads that he started xD, you will find it eventually)

Oh and my scanner still isn't fixed, you could tell how lazy i am haa!

I also decided to start a sketchbook maybe later today :o do suppport me! :geekg:

Sanchen> Thanks i shall never give up my dream.my goal :)

sketcheth> Thanks dude, your motivation for your SPs is keeping me up as well!!

Karein> Thanks ! i hope you continue your SPs too!

okay for images....dec23 to dec 27

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ah shit i messed the dates of my file some how lol
i actually missed dec31's SP :o

alright ending with jan19.. and a 1 week break which ends today :rocker:

i hope i can update daily or regularly...posting like 20-30 images once in a time is really mindblowing X_X

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jan28> im trying to post 1 by 1 SP so to get out of this page since the images are overwhelimg @_@


oh its a long time since i did a digital SP X_X

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jan29> still trying to figure out bone structure underneath

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jan30> my eyes

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jan31> figuring out bone structure/planes etc etc, not really caring about features nowadays..

some stuff i learnt from my teacher today..
-Dont have to draw every lines, just indicate(e.g. the skin touching the bone, our eyes will see that invisible line between the 2 points themselves

-Learn what is underneath our skin if not my drawing would be flat,2d like now...

just wanted to share hehe :)

[Sahnchen]

It's been a long time since I've looked in this thread. But I only see good things, you do more and more well! Your face become much more realistic, I like it!

[JS Neo]

Hey Hey, finally took a look at ur self-portrait thread :) U are improving alot since u start it ! Now is hols for u so update ur sb !! :P

from what i see, it will do u good to do some skull study. The face is the part of the body whose shape depend alot on the skeleton because of the smaller muscle. So to draw a nice face, u need to know the skull well. Bridgeman's stuff is of cos good to get the overall form or check out loomis or vilpuu for more detailed drawings :D

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mar17> watercolor SP

okay so after around 1 month break, im slowly getting my feet back onto track, doing dailys. hope you enjoy, thanks for the visiting the thread :)

[Tofa]

so many SP! impressive. ok, my thoughts on ur work so far, i think you've concentrated on using line to define your face a bit too much now, you've gotten all u can from it in my opinion.

try instead of going for contours, look at the values and the shadows and block those in first by turning ur pencil on its side and loosely blocking in the shadows, you can add detail and define ur drawing once u'r happy with the shape and proportions. hope that helps.

awesome dedication and great progress! keep it up

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chriss.zed> Thanks i will try it next time xD Sometimes its difficult cause i uses mechanical pencil :p but im playing with lots of medium right now :)


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Thanks for viewing! :)

[Sahnchen]

Hey the new stuff is really good! You really get better!
But it looks like you are getting more thin Oo Don't forget eating while drawing xD

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Sahnchen> Thank you for visiting my thread XD haha actually im quite thin all the while, just that my drawings didn't make me look thin XD maybe i could draw abit more accurately now :P

You too update your SB!

[polipol]

that latest one is heaps cool, but i'd watch the line variation and weight with the ink, i think with ink rendering and stuffs its important to have definite shadow shapes i guess......keep it up matey!!

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polipol> Thanks for the critic xD I kinda rush my self portraits hence its turn out so bad xD i should stop rushing my self portraits >_> *bad me*

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WOOOT. This mark another century :D This is my 200th Selfportrait :D Learnt alot and slacked alot too. Gotta do compilation for my 200th self portrait when i get time.

Some things i need to take note of for future:
-Perspective
-Giving my eyes more life
-Learn more about the planes
-Learn more abt the bone structures
-Learn to render hair
-Take more time to do my self portraits
-Capture the likeness

[Sahnchen]

Yeah, Congrats for your 200ths Selfportrait =D Keep going on, I believe in you =D

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sahnchen> thanks :)

finally compiled the 200 SP, not updating yet >_> will try..hectic week with sch D:

[sketcheth]

Whoo! Way to go! It looks like you've made some pretty dramatic improvements over this timespan! I know you won't stop, so just keep pushing yourself to study a little bit more every time!

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may29 finally... uploaded finished xD

sketcheh> Thanks! We'll push ourselves non stop for the sake of being a better person and better artist :)

[JS Neo]

Woo.. the last few are great !!... Seems like ur proportion and handling of the medium is getting so much better. Some thing i found out during my own studies of drawing eyes in 3 quarter view is that the far eye will be narrow in width than the near eye cos the eye is wrapped around a curved surface. If u dont understand my crappy explanation, maybe I can illustrate it next time i see u. Keep it up !!

p.s. do u wear glasses? didnt know that :p

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[jigje]

Hey Krytos. I really like that last digi sp. Keep up the good work.

[mc2mc2]

Wow nice..the latest one is a BIG improvement..you should do more digis man...

keep it up ya? :yayca:

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jigje> Thanks i will :)

mc2mc2> Haha thanks, you too keep up with your self portraits lol!! more traditional = better digital :p well thats my thinking haha.. just different mediums ^^

been slacking alot on my self portraits, kinda had lots of sch work hence i stopped for a week.. and another week of break after a hectic sch week T_T

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[JS Neo]

Did u use pen for the first portrait? I think for pen since it is such a tedious medium to shade, maybe u should have drawn it smaller. I like your watercolor though... really need to get u to teach me watercolor.....

[jigje]

Nice Krytos. The profile painting is ace.

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mydrako> haha its ballpoint pen :P
jigje> Thanks :)

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[shamandalie]

Aww update!??? You asked me to update but you stopped! :P
I wanna see more jake! :D

[nevermindjoker]

i like your idea of making yourself a polaroid camera, seems your portrait takes only minutes from the way i see them. Although you really know what your features are by comparing them to each other. But having them revised would be something I want to see from the next post. I mean, going back back from portrait no.1 and comparing it to portrait no. 2 and so on and so forth. Or comparing it to yourself by looking at the mirror. I guess you shouldn't have that much diffirence.

I was also hoping to see some skull studies. like comparing them side by side if you already have one. the refs skull vs your own representation. :)

the bottom line is i like how you did those portraits. btw don't stop.