View Full Version : Chow 125 :: VOTING :: Tláloc's Sacrifice
S.C. Watson
September 3rd, 2008, 12:23 PM
FINALS ONLY
-=ROUND 125=-
-= Tláloc's Sacrifice=-
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DESCRIPTION
Aztec Child Sacrifice to the Rain God Tláloc
A young child is preparing for the sacrifice to the Rain God. Between 5-10, boy or girl, and BEFORE the sacrifice, not during or after! (We don't want to see any gore, thank you very much!)
This is a bit of an open topic, but it IS a historic round. Feel free to play around with whatever ideas come to mind, but KEEP TO THE TIME PERIOD and the idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_sacrifice
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ACCEPTANCE TO POLL WILL BE BASED ON THREE CRITERIA:
1: DID THE ARTIST FOLLOW THE BRIEF? (allowance for creative takes will be made).
2: IS THE PIECE ARTISTICALLY SOUND? (Is the illustration "finished?" - did the artist pay attention to anatomy, perspective, other fundamentals?).
3: IS THIS ILLUSTRATION THE BEST ONE?
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THE REST IS EASY:
1: No comments before poll is set. They WILL be deleted with utmost malice and petty grumbling.
2: Sit back and enjoy the show. BYOPC (Bring your own popcorn)
3: Good luck to all.
S.C. Watson
September 3rd, 2008, 12:23 PM
Please review these helpful reminders if you have not done so already.
:right:ON GETTING TO POLL (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1891823&postcount=15)
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:right:SUBMISSION FORMAT REMINDER (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1911002&postcount=28)
gunnarsson
September 7th, 2008, 12:04 AM
hmh! I didn't save any WIPs! am I out?
heres what I've got anyways:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u256/pettergunnarsson/CHOW125_gunnarsson.jpg
ye_oldskool
September 7th, 2008, 02:07 AM
Here's my final:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk142/ye_oldskool/Chow125_YeOldskool.jpg
And my WIP's:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk142/ye_oldskool/Chow125_yeoldskool_WIP.jpg
As for the process -
This was an image I had in my head from the beginning, although it was very different back then. The idea was that the kid would be your typical 5-10 year old... full of attitude! Originally, the pic was supposed to be much more stylized (cartoony), a little more light hearted (if at all possible - almost Disney'ish?) with the kid having a really exaggerated expression and exaggerated proportions. Obviously that didn't happen!
Suddenly the pic was a lot more serious and so some things, like the colour and lighting, had to change suit. I wanted to keep the whole 'sacrifice' process open to interpretation. Whether it happens on the ledge the kid is standing on, or whether he jumps, or is pushed, off of it.
I'm sorta happy with the way it turned out, although I was really hoping to step out and do something a little more different stylistically. I'll have to start earlier next time. I also am trying to get more loose/quick with the brush strokes... something I've been aiming for for a while now. Still lots to learn.
KidApe
September 7th, 2008, 02:38 AM
Here is my contribution to the chow activity:
I wanted to include the God,Tlaloc, awaiting to receive the sacrifice. I portrayed him with wings and talons to give an avian feeling, since he has the ability to bring forth rain and deals with the sky. Started with a pencil sketch and had some fun working a grayscale approach. Learned quite a lot, and will take my experience to the next Chow:)
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Saldim'78
September 7th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Here is my final image and my WIPs (pencil drafts, color drafts and final image workflow). My main reference was an encyclopedia on mythology, but only as a springboard to get me thinking Aztec-style. I worked some very fast pencil sketches and after I scanned them, I worked them over in Photoshop. The final image was created digitally with copying and pasting parts of my color draft onto the image to get the texture right. I chose not to include any other characters as I though that they would unnecessarily distract the viewer from the main subject (mainly due to the child's small size).
tomwaits4noman
September 7th, 2008, 12:00 PM
First is the finished piece then sketches wip and references
The idea I had was the child on top of the pyramid steps centre stage with the Aztec priest behind the child.
the child is the focal point framed by the Tláloc statue to the right and the Priest behind the child.
Figured a child is going to be frightened even if they do not fully understand what is happening.
I played around with a head dress for the child and the body paint but they seemed to distract from the child's expression.
I wanted the child to be as young as possible so you see the contrast of power between the child and the priest.
The priest I wanted as a graphic almost abstract shape, found images of Aztecs with animal heads as part of the head dress liked the idea that the priest is a predator hovering over the child. I wanted the feathers to appear ragged and wild I tried to keep detail on the priest to a minimum so as not to distract from the child who is the subject of the priest.
I also wanted to limit the palette to shades of red and brown.
DigitallyDumbfounded
September 7th, 2008, 12:28 PM
Okay. Here goes.
Googled around for reference and got the inspiration for the color scheme mainly from one photo ( http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41465000/jpg/_41465128_ap_aztec416.jpg ).
I focused much on the general atmosphere and my thought in the beginning was something like, the priest guiding the child into the light, metaphorically speaking.
But as I went along I felt the foreground was too empty and it wasn't clear what's going on so I added the figures. I tried to leave the focus on the child, hence no other visible faces and the outfits are pretty plain.
MJ_Alcazar
September 7th, 2008, 01:41 PM
I had a lot of fun with this one, I loved the research involved. I researched the ceremony and the god Tlaloc on the internet and found a lot of different things associated with him. Then, i dug up an old Kid's Discover magazine on Aztecs and used that as a reference for some of the designs in the clothing. That's what also inspired the main part of her dress.
I wanted to show the tears involved. I read that the priests would do a lot of different, and gory!, things to get the children crying. The more they cried, the better it was. I also found a site on a recent archaelogical dig that uncovered a sacrifice to Tlaloc, there were a few children clutching dolls of Tlaloc. I thought, well, what a perfectly child-like thing to have! The design of her poncho thing and headress was inspired by some Aztec dancers.
At first, i drew the child ascending the stairs to the altar, the priest holding a bowl of tears beside her, the crowd cheering below. When I went into coloring with some colored pencils I had, I ended up messing the poor girl up. So, I had to start again, I used the same pose and everything. But then, I realized that I had put her into an environment that was too "during" the whole sacrifice when the brief asked for "before". So, I changed it up, and had her in the temple, her face red from crying. The priest holds the bowl of tears from children that have just gone before her.
I'm proud of what I was able to produce this week, in my eyes it's much better than the one last week, which is what I'm aiming for of course. :) Children present their own challenges in drawing them, I found. I also learned that crying is a hard emotion to draw! :) Next time, I'm going to take some more of the critiques and apply them. Such as the newsprint idea for the colored pencils and layering better. I need to work with some other ideas for putting people in the background without it taking away from the main character. I'd like to practice more with the colored pencils and keep on with the pencil rendering also. I still need to work on the anatomy, especially on faces.
I realize I'm missing a couple steps in my WIP, such as the sketch of the redrawn version. I'm very sorry about that. I'll remember that next CHOW!
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Seloh_Eft/chow125_MJ_Alcazar.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Seloh_Eft/chow125wip1_MJ_Alcazar.jpghttp://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Seloh_Eft/chow125wip2_MJ_Alcazar.jpghttp://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Seloh_Eft/chow125wip3_MJ_Alcazar.jpghttp://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Seloh_Eft/chow125wip4_MJ_Alcazar.jpghttp://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Seloh_Eft/chow125wip5_MJ_Alcazar.jpg
Scraw
September 7th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Ah, I was unaware that I was supposed to be saving WIPs. I went back as far as i could with layers and an earlier save, next time I'll make sure to hold onto the sketch and original blocking.
On this entry I explored a lot of ideas at the early stage, but ended up settling on one in which the child was actually happy to be sacrificed. At first I came up with some reasons for why: he was blind, he was crippled somehow, he was going in place of someone else, etc. In the end I decided that faith would be reason enough and dropped the other pretexts to focus on the stronger concept of someone being proud to sacrifice themselves, and seeing that their sacrifice has been "accepted".
Learned a lot in this one, looking forward to next week's challenge!
chaosrocks
September 7th, 2008, 06:18 PM
inspired by reading that one of the forms of sacrifice to Tkaloc was drowning, and a a memory of a national geo article about these deep clear water ponds that are al littered with gold on the bottom
Sequential76
September 7th, 2008, 06:48 PM
Ideas inluenced by blue,rain,embers and heavy fire lighting- AAAAAAaaaand brought to you by the letter C and the number 8!
DecayingLolita
September 7th, 2008, 07:04 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b274/Lucretia_the_fallen/chow125_decayinglolita.jpg
WIP's - sorry for the bad quality, I kind of kept forgetting to save stages.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b274/Lucretia_the_fallen/chow125WIP_decayinglolita.jpg
was pretty interesting to research the culture, I took the colour scheme from a few things I liked then made the light source, kind of just blocked everything in and started working on the details. I didn't get it as finished as I would like to but it's midnight and kids school morning tomorrow so this will do. :)
vineris
September 7th, 2008, 07:47 PM
I got the idea for this when I came across a page that said that the Aztec children would be made to cry on the way to immolation. My first idea was to show the child tied up in a hut, waiting to be taken away. When I sketched out a picture of a horrified girl confronted by fire, it seemed like a much more powerful picture so I thought I'd run with that.
I ended up going with b&w to get a better grip on the values in the picture, since my first try was on the flat side (the front lighting made it difficult to add shadows.) The first girl looked too much like a teenager, so I made her younger and added some people in the background and a couple idols in the extreme foreground to add a bit more depth. I had a lot of fun looking at Aztec costumes!
Anyway, here's the final and my wips:
magichappens
September 7th, 2008, 09:08 PM
so first i drew some quick sketches to see what pose i wanted to dohttp://images41.fotki.com/v1309/photos/1/1361438/6427072/sketch001-vi.jpg after i picked one i then drew it out with notes in my sketch bookhttp://images39.fotki.com/v1292/photos/1/1361438/6427072/sketch002-vi.jpg
next it gets drawn on watercolor paper and painted and ends up with the finished product as this. http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/250/2/3/Thaloc__s_sacrifice_by_magichappens0306.jpg
thats pretty much the process and result
Ameno
September 7th, 2008, 11:49 PM
Final here (First time participation :D, here for learn :P )
WIP: http://conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1910560&postcount=119
Vorace
September 7th, 2008, 11:53 PM
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xgabo
September 8th, 2008, 12:23 AM
I also forgot to save my WIPs, sorry. Didn't read the new rule until it was too late.
http://homepage.mac.com/gabrielfrizzera/chow125_xgabo.jpg
Orion9282
September 8th, 2008, 12:32 AM
WIP & Final
HFix
September 8th, 2008, 01:12 AM
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s286/HFix/Chow125_HFix.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s286/HFix/Chow125_HFix_WIP.jpg
meeatu
September 8th, 2008, 01:32 AM
Hiya all,
Here's my entry. Idea is to capture the kids personality, also showing him on his last meal.
Larriva Art
September 8th, 2008, 02:10 AM
Sketches and WIPS (http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1908256&mode=threaded#post1908256)
Inspirational images:
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Final:
458056
Hashshashin
September 8th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Its done and finished. The child is casted into a well with heavy golden jewelry then the well starts to fill up and the chanting of begins. The kid is pissed and on the verge of crying....His hands are shackled 2 make it difficult for him to swim or escape. I was going for a mystical feel the aztecs almost magical like in that movie " El Dorado" where that giant cat thing comes to life...i think that's what inspired the green colors. Well this was fun I look forward to doing some more Activities in this forum.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/xx00doom00xx/aztek5.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/xx00doom00xx/aztekcopy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/xx00doom00xx/aztek2copy.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/xx00doom00xx/aztek3copy.jpg
mmfidler
September 8th, 2008, 02:27 AM
Hey all, love this site. I've been a member over 2 years now, but am only now finding time to start posting. Wonderful job everyone. I hope to be a frequent contributor from now on. Crits always welcome.
Here's my very first submission.
Thanks!
Glenter
September 8th, 2008, 02:40 AM
My second attempt! A lot of inspiration here!
Cheers!
timothee
September 8th, 2008, 02:42 AM
Didn't have as much time to finish as I wanted this week, but here's what I got done:
http://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/9/7/f_CHOW125Timom_51c5273.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/9/7/f_CHOW125Timom_51c5273.jpg&srv=img33)
and WIP:
http://img34.picoodle.com/data/img34/3/9/7/f_CHOW125Timom_436b825.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/9/7/f_CHOW125Timom_436b825.jpg&srv=img34)
Aly Fell
September 8th, 2008, 03:44 AM
The Story:
On her way to a fancy dress party dressed as Pocahontas, Michelle slipped through a black hole and found herself 600 years in the past, trussed up as a sacrifice to the pagan Aztec god Tlaloc! Something in the back of her mind reminded her, this was Wednesday 10th September 2008; and the Hadron Accelerator was due to be switched on. The fear of eminent scientists had been the spontaneous creation and destruction of millions of singularities, and she had walked straight into one! Cursing the vicissitudes of fate, she burst into tears. But once again fate was to play dice with her destiny, as Tlaloc sought sustenance from the tears of children! The sudden realisation of this; as Michelle remembered her South American Primitive Culture remedial lessons at Hilda Norfolk High School, Norwich, was to seal her fate and once again she sobbed. With this she was doomed!
Link to Work in progress (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1907861&postcount=48)
Carnifex
September 8th, 2008, 01:08 PM
wips here: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1911992&postcount=156
additional inspiration with google (http://images.google.at/images?um=1&hl=de&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-10%2CGGLG%3Ade&q=mexican+child) and wikipedia entry provided in brief.
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"now is the time, sweet one. tláloc awaits you."
http://fitzinger.net/chow125_carnifex.jpg
cowboy surfer
September 8th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Here we go then:
indus
September 8th, 2008, 02:18 PM
Tlaloc's choice
http://in2thepaper.cdn2.cafe24.com/chow/chow125_indus.jpg
wip & ref
http://in2thepaper.cdn2.cafe24.com/chow/125wip.jpghttp://in2thepaper.cdn2.cafe24.com/chow/125ref.jpg
Slash
September 8th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Squeezed one out, and in time too it seems! ;)
Wip links:
http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=454360&stc=1&d=1220468449
http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=454360&stc=1&d=1220468449
http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=455452&stc=1&d=1220575076
Saturns Gate
September 8th, 2008, 05:48 PM
After such a horrific ordeal the young boys soul could not rest. Never resting, always preparing for the next sacrifice.
(Ok, rendering of the last file got bumped up to just over two hours again for some reason, so if this one video file isnt enough, no worries. had fun! Never had time to get the voice overs done for the last part though :( will update it with voice tomorrow and edit)
1) Y7P3S-y4EZs 2) pOQ4QzhaOmY 3) aYomnWrIODs
Antne
September 8th, 2008, 06:04 PM
"At last, brothers, the mighty Tláloc has granted this one his power!"
Chicken_Bone
September 8th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Hope I'm not too late. Last hug from mother before the priests take the child away.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g304/nillea/Chow125_Chicken_Bone.jpg
Wip
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g304/nillea/Chow125_Chicken_Bone_Wip.jpg
S.C. Watson
September 8th, 2008, 07:54 PM
No entries past this mark.
~Oreg.
S.C. Watson
September 8th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Off Topic/Brief
No WIPS
gunnarsson
Incorrect naming format (NEEDS TO BE CHOW000 YOURNAMEHERE)
Antene
Hashshashin
Magichappens
Scraw
Failed quality check (sloppy/rushed/unfinished artwork and/or insufficient artistic quality)
ameno
Kidape
Meeatu – didn’t look like a child :/
Chaosrock – beautiful concept
Chicken_Bone
DecayingLolita – slow down – it looks very rushed.
Hfx – same as above
Mmfilder – pay attention to your edges!
Good, but just not quite there
Cowboy Surfer
Saldim’78
Carnifex – whatever that kid is on, I want some! :teeth:
Too much style, not enough focus
Almost made it, but... we had reservations
Vorace – simply awesome illustration. The one thing that killed it for the poll was that your character looks like an adult. Show the face, so there’s no confusion!
Xgabo – FACE, man, face! (also, your background while well done, over powers your characters).
Anatomical Issues
Glenter – the faces are good, but check the body of the guy behind the kid – it just looks all kinds of wrong.
Almost didn’t go
Vineries – yours was a serious handwaggle. It’s a clean illustration, and technically there’s nothing wrong with it, so it’s in poll. Ultimately, the eyes sold me :)
special notes:
Regarding file names: I let a couple slip though that were transposed (name, then chow number). Also, it is not necessary to put the “#” before the round number.
All the way around, excellent work from everyone for an uncomfortable topic. Thank you for posting your WIPs and resources!
MJ_Alcazar – You went to poll in large part because of the simply astounding progress you have made over the past few weeks. That said, the face needs a lot of work, but is passable. This time! :P
MJ_Alcazar
September 8th, 2008, 10:58 PM
I'm in poll! I'm in poll! Wow, I'm so excited. Work on faces, got the message Oregano. :) Thank you so much, I really appreciate the support. I won't let you down! I'll keep pushing myself. :)
Ok guys, I'm going to decide on voting tomorrow when I can think better. Awesome work all around though.
See Slash? Aren't you glad you decided to post anyway? :)
Vorace
September 8th, 2008, 11:20 PM
eerf too bad I didn't made it to the poll :(
anyway, some interesting entries. Voted Poshspice , dramatic mood, top notch quality
will try to comment other ones tomorrow, because right now i'm super tired hehe
chaosrocks
September 9th, 2008, 01:50 AM
in the poll.. voted orion. and orion only.
it was th eonly one that I consider a character drawing, it shows the character, the costume, the milieu and nothing else. whersas the rest are great mood pieces and illustrations. they seem to focus way more attention on the drama at hand. than the character. \that bein said
Saturns' gate.. the precision of your costume and the clarity of your lineworks are beautiful I would only wosh that your character had...well.. more character more personaltiy. and a more child-like demeanor
Sequential- This is a very dramatic scene. the monochromatic work makes it seem almost transpasrent or dreamlike. the god statue/ alter seems to be a more important feature than the kid. Its really hard not to upstage the lil tyke....
tomwaits4noman- oddly to my eyes your chatracter reads as a dwarf rather than a young child. it has an old face. not that this detracts from the illustration bt I dont think its entirely what you intended. you also seem to be struggling withthe digital blurryness problem., Inkow it well
vampirehugerstrike- lovely colors and a beautiful portrayal, the only issue i have is that the face angle seems odd. that 3/4 view is a bitch to get right.
indus- very beautiful, has a dulac like colour and clarity.
MJ_Alcazar- Oregano has already mentioned the face , Id also like to mention the proportion of the feet and the general flatness.
gah I am tired forgive me , I will do the rest tomorrow. may be a little kinder if I am not so tired.
benkashmir
September 9th, 2008, 02:34 AM
damn! i was so close!!
heres what i got so far:
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/benkashmir/indianscenesmall2.jpg
good entries guys, voted poshspice. top notch rendering. always a pleasure.
would have voted antene if it got into poll tough, a very interesting dramatic and dynamic picture.
oh, and edjuante - shame on you! :)
Carnifex
September 9th, 2008, 02:47 AM
indus got my vote - one of the few who really captured the child face perfectly,and one of the few who went with the correct nationality. also,a very beautiful illustration.
slash gets browny points for beautiful lighting and good design.
vampirehungerstrike, nice illo,but not childlike enough for me.
posh,sorry man,even though it's a pretty original story,it's too far out from the topic for me. also,issues with being more child-like. had you made her smaller (like the battle angel f.ex.) this would've worked better imo.
thanks for the clarification oreg. and hey,he's your average 5yearold,give him fingerpaint and he's as happy as a pig in a puddle ;)
Aly Fell
September 9th, 2008, 03:10 AM
Hey Carni - No probs! I have to say that the reality was so dark, I had to invent a kind of light hearted back story to it to be comfortable with it, which probably takes me out of the brief a bit.
Voted for:
VampireHungerStrike
MJ Alcazar
Slash
Will make some observations later if time permits.
Carnifex
September 9th, 2008, 03:13 AM
heh,yeah, the description of the supposed methods for the sacrifice made me crawl all over.
zenichi
September 9th, 2008, 03:45 AM
my voting criteria were, is the child the central character? can i tangibly "feel" the emotion(s) that the child is going through? (either through expression, body language, atmosphere etc.) because i felt that the "before" thing is really interesting, moments before, or days, weeks before the sacrificial act, wide range of emotions to explore! with that in mind, my vote went to Sequential76, Indus and DigitallyDumbFounded.
gunnarsson : cant see the face, the pose is suggesting tension, but the rest of the priest seems to be quite relax, maybe they are not the one to be sacrificed!! looks and feel like an audition for a young "padawan"
ye_oldskool : strong presence of the character, understood the kid with attitude take. but after thinking about it, i felt that when facing death (he should know, instinctive thing, unless was drugged), the kid with the most attitude (due to insecurity, bully syndrome etc.) would be the most fragile emotionally, maybe this is a few days before the actual sacrifice day.
KidApe: over powering side characters, refer to indus take on including a "god" stature side character yet retaining focus on main character. actually the boy's pose was more natural, awestruck (limbs weaker and buckling) in the sketch than in the final. it looks like a boy gleaming with satisfaction from being asked to centre stage by a magician...
Saldim'78 : great studies and exploration on the costumes! short of conveying the emotion more, if the kids face is shown more recessed, hiding under shadow (but can still clearly see the expression, as its a bright sun shiny day, lots of ambient lights) the frown and scared shitless and stiff expression and hand clutching the dagger tightly will contrast very well with the huge celebratory and colourful costume!! that would hav got my vote!
tomwaits4noman: like the facial expression of the child, just not child like enough, i think maybe its the hands that's holding beer belly and the lack of definition for the clutching fist. also the priest is still too distracting for what you were trying to achieve. refer to DigitallyDumbfounded/ indus/ sequential76
DigitallyDumbfounded: the WIP didnt look promising, but the finish piece was a delightful surprise! the additional figures at the front, i think actually works for me, cos i think it play down the importance of the priest and redirected the focus back to the child. although with minor pose issue, the silent resistance face and a last effort twitching hand trying to escape the hold did it for me.
MJ_Alcazar : wow, drastic improvements. the documented thought process is very informative too. the tree top at the back is trying to give a sense of height to the alter, but its not working at the moment. the cracked rendering of the face somehow looks ok to me, like sun burn, and because the child is growing rapidly, tan and new skin looks like birth marks? maybe it shouldnt happen on the face :P
Scraw : the wip are meant to maybe show key changes that serve as a documentary of your process, eg. it can be reference photo at key juncture that influence your decision to make certain costume changes etc.
i like the idea and concept behind, just that a lot of exploration needed to see which pose or setting would best convey that concept. a more rigorous and critical approach needed when trying to convey emotions, especially something like faith. he's proud maybe he understood the rain that will be brought on by his "trip" to the other realm, or he could be proud becos he's the hero of the village for the week, he could be proud because the priest told him so, and at what juncture of that proceeding did he realise that? maybe it would be more profound if he found out that he still holds that strong believe just seconds before his sacrifice?
but would be interesting to explore and dont be afraid to ditch 5 days work if your mind brought you new revelations after you've gone thru the exercise. nothing is lost, you've gain 5 days of exploration (eg. MJ_Alcazar) which is why some of the great entries maybe only come up with the idea after exploring it for most of the week, which is why this WIP thing is good, maybe we get to see the key process that influence their interpretation (eg. Indus's research pic)
chaosrocks : the concept is nice but your WIP is just a rendering progression :mittenbop: hehehe would have been fun to see that concept being developed more.
Sequential76 :great atmosphere, and great WIP documentation! great ref on the camp fire, but maybe another ref for burning logs. the sobbing helplessly face says it all without the need of limbs expression. would it be more moody if the platform the child is standing on cast more shadow on the lower part of the child's body?
DecayingLolita : if the priest standing behind stare at the boy more instead of us, the central character would stand out more. he's struggling, maybe turn his head and look at the standing priest beggingly while tug-of-war with the other priest is going on? the legs providing more resistance like a bull resisting a pull?
vineris : maybe the crowd could be closer? more claustrophobic?
magichappens : facial anatomy, hands. explore more pose, but you'll need an idea or concept, then find the pose that best express that concept (eg. vorace, poshspice, Antne77)
Ameno : should explore more the tied hands and face veil concept, to muffle the child's cry? if its to silent him, a gag would be more effective. again showing him/ her crying his/her lungs out muffled or gagged and tied up would be a more effective pose than just standing there.
Vorace: thou too close to comfort for me on the actual sacrificial act. i will tell my mind that its a manifestation of a scared, hallucinating blind folded mind. although one can argue that the muscle definition is too defined for a child, i thin its ok for a 10 yr old aztec child, lean and thus clearer muscle definition, the child's proportion is there. only thing that's stopping my mind from seeing him as a child is the nose, just compare it with the nose you had in your WIP :P
xgabo : hehe wrong focus, aztec child not aztec priest moments before the sacrificial act. just reverse the fluorescent paint and eyes between the two would be a quick fix. i think a facial expression can be powerful tool to convey the "accepting inevitable doomed" of the main character than shadow. now she could be eyes closed praying or staring at the floor out of exhaustion and given up hope to fight or staring blankly at the crowd below with bewildered gazed from the drug, or ...
Orion9282 : the first left pose in in WIP sketch has more character in his stands than the fully costumed mannequin in the final (sorry mate, but that's the first thought that spring to my mind, must share with ya, and i thikn u r pro enuf to understand better and probably get more from this statement than me) cant feel any bit of emotion coming from the kid, maybe he's tired from wearing the heavy thing? a more expressive limbs to reinforce that?
HFix : bravo on changing the character's design after the first WIP, but cant get a clear story out of this. is he clutching the doll to show anger and promise revenge when he crosses into their realm?
meeatu : he can be stuffed, but what were his emotion? did he stuff himself to death knowing that its his last meal? or did he just a greedy kid that stuff himself to death... which will be the sacrificial act (and breaking the rule of this CHOW)? or is he ripping off the meat off the drumstick as if to get some sort of satisfaction out of the brutal act knowing that someone will be doing the same to him? also watch the proportion, looks very grown up to me, especially the nose, the nose bridge is too developed for a child.
VampireHungerStrike : great piece... if not for the distracting adult accompanying the child, i wouldn't be able to resist voting... either others like a better defined crowd to disperse the distracting element of the adult (eg. digitallydumbfounded) or others are basked in defined lights (or the green light) as they are taller, but the child is under different lighting, maybe gloomier, then we can focus on it more?
Again, great WIP, ref and your usual high quality finishing!
Hashshashin: is he rubbing his hands becos of cold water? needs to convey that stronger, the angry looking face doesnt help in convey that message? also the "marking" on the wall in the back ground is distracting, the empowering fountain head is strong enough, i think :P
mmfidler : the blur and focus is not consistence, otherwise would have been a ok take on field of depth (edit 2: field of death? what was i thinking? i mean depth of field, thanks mmfidler hehehe) shot.
Glenter : wow, great emotion coming from the child, too bad the priest is distracting me!! if his staring at some where else is not important to the story telling, maybe there no need to show it? digital or traditional? the 2 faces are well rendered but the priest's body is really distracting in terms of poor anatomy and pose, the child benefited from the robe?
timothee : i like your intend to use the light/ shadow to enhance the mood and emotion that the boy is going through. i think some shadow casting and value ref would improve the piece, technical wise. the face's expression is there, the limbs and body language needs to follow!
Poshspice : you are one of those people who should be look upon with a different light (the same goes for all pass CHOW winners).
i honestly dont know why i didnt vote for ya... i could see her surprised and wild eye looking at her surrounding and struggling to break loose, even try to communicate with the already in trance priests who'll be picking up the dagger any time. she breaks into tears! she would also break into one of those suburb english girl hysterical scream, panic attack! nit pick, scratch marks on the hands, dirty knee cap from collapsing and sobbing on the floor and picking herself up again and shacking her head frantically to try and maybe trying emulate her party dance before she was transported so that it will transport her out of her predicament, neck piece maybe out of position after she twist and turns etc.
(edit 1: i hope the scientist wont screw up on the 10 sept 08, i would hate to miss out on the weeklies....)
Carnifex: great atmosphere, almost dream like quality to it... maybe others can see more into the technique, i also like the gullible innocent look of the child!
cowboy surfer : the direction of the wind driven rain and the still textile doesnt paint a coherent pic. the facial expression is... angry? with thick tears that drips down instead of stream down the cheeks? also great WIP documentation of change of mind.
indus :speechless... what's with the hidden fruit? is there something more to that story? also is it the child's revelation? in his dream, (out of escaping the fear, fraudwise) he realized that he's the chosen one? thanks for sharing the WIP and inspiration from the reference pic !!
Slash : the lights draw out attention to the child's face, but its staring back at us... without telling much? maybe looking for help? maybe begging with his eyes for mercy? maybe proud to be the chosen one and we are not? too many maybes...
Saturns Gate :really like this piece, slight twist to the brief in the sense that its after the sacrificial act? the emotion is so strong that it still haunts the alter!
Antne : hei... too close... its the sacrificial act itself? i thought that the same effect can still be attain without the lightning striking the child? the close proximity is causing a panic attack and eye wide and tears streaking down.
Chicken_Bone very intense emotion from the main character, the adult's involvement is clearly shown yet it doesnt over power or distract, but rather compliment the emotion displayed by the main character's face and stands!! only let down was the rendering of the shadow figure of the priest, i think with such a strong tangible central character, the priest or shaman figure can still cast a long and tall shadow over the main character and adult and the piece would still work? cos its will give purpose to the child's almost defiance stare at someone huge and giant in relative size, the child's strong character also contrasted well with the submissive and passive adult trying to calm the child to submission. if the rendering is slightly more convincing, you would have got me vote!
ikuru
September 9th, 2008, 04:12 AM
voted Indus,
your image blew everything out of the pond. the child looks and feels like a child, and there is a nice vibe to the whole thing... If anything the feet look a bit small or off or whatever... Gr8 work though!
Saturns Gate
September 9th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Wow, made it in the poll! :) Thanks for the crits guys!
Ok,
Sequential76: I really like the overall layout of this one, but the color scheme seems a bit too dark and lifeless for me. The face could probably do with looking younger too.
tomwaits4noman: Nice colors overall, not too crazy, not too bland. Something about the kids face im not so keen on though. Again, like Sequential76 the face looks a little too old for me.
VampireHungerStrike: Colors are wow, was really close to getting a vote from me, but personally I thought the idea wasent pushing anything conceptually. I love the image overall as a painting though, really is nice to look at. :)
Indus: I could see this on a book cover or something, really nice and tells a story too. Love the faces! colors are vibrant where needed. :)
MJAlcazar: I like the costume design, looks nice to me. Kudos for using colored pencils, that stuff is hard. The blue border breaks it for me, its just seems way too attention seeking. Her pose looks quite rigid too, illd work on adding more movement to your pieces.
Poshspice: Absolutely love the blending and smoothness to your artwork. Really gives it that fresh out the oven look. :) Her face is great, love the startled/horror look to her. No real crits for you. You can have a vote though.
Slash: Love the mood, he looks really lonely. Glad you did not put the guy/girl walking him in the image. It adds to the overall feeling of the piece. Lighting is very effective, maybe some areas could use with more details but the whole piece works well. Voted.
Veniris: Lovely rendering, though I think you could have pushed the Aztec art into this. As it stands theres not much to say the girl is from the Aztec time period and not many clues as to say why she is so scared. You got the loneliness done well though.
YeOldschool: Its the pose and face look too kingly and sure of himself to me. Really like the colors though. Could do with having the armour look more 3dimensianal. Though I can see you were going for a semi flat/3d look.
DigitallyDumbfounded: So bloody close to getting my vote, i remember when I saw this in the WIP area, and thought wow, you just have to render that out and bam, that should look amazing. So the only thing really that held it back for me was the sketchy scratchy look imo werent working and thought it could be a lot better rendered out. The rest is brilliant! :)
Timothee: Really nice design overall, like the simplicity. Thought the whole thing could use some more energy and some kind of story added in. nice rendering.
Orion: Nice costume design! :) Again like Tomothee, i would have liked to see more story added into this. I know, its meant to just be a concept, I just love stories! :) Colors look a little tiny bit washed out in places, but work quite well overall. great face and painting style.
Great stuff all of you! Till next time :)
Wiggers
September 9th, 2008, 07:19 AM
So few made it!
Voted for staurn gate, vampire hunger strike, indus, poshpice and slash.
My fav is vampire hungerstrike the only one in my opinion that looks Mesoamerican south american indian also it's a beautiful piece of work.
Would had voted for gunnarson and vorace but you guy's sadly didn't make it.
mmfidler
September 9th, 2008, 10:34 AM
Hey, Thanks Oregano, Zenichi.
Seems those are pretty basic things...not too difficult to fix. (Edges and depth of field) edit: not too difficult in that it will come with more practice and attention...
I think I also need to work on adding some Personality...I think that's what really sets a lot of these apart.
Next time I'll try to start early enough to get in on the Wips so I can get some feedback right away...overall, okay for a first post (I feel at least) But definitely a lot to learn.
Great work all, I voted, but will go into more detail as to who and why later...@work now...
-mmfidler
vineris
September 9th, 2008, 11:04 AM
Wow, I made it to the poll! :) I wish I'd had the time to throw some colour on.
I ended up voting for Indus and Slash.
Saturn's Gate - Great quality, the costume was really well-thought-out, but I had some reservations about the pose and the colouring gave it the wrong sort of feel.
Ye oldskool - I liked everything except the kid himself. I think it's a mixture of anatomy and pose. It was a close thing.
Kidape - Cool god design, but the kid looks way too happy and the anatomy is wonky.
Saldim 78 - I'm kinda surprised this didn't make it to poll. The costume design was really well done. The skin was a bit on the red side.
tomwaits4noman - good emotion and I like the cat mask, but the colours are muddy and the rendering is blobby.
Digitally dumbfounded - interesting colour scheme! Another one that I almost voted for.
MJ Alcazar - good try! The face was the biggest problem, I think. You might want to try working on bigger sheets of paper, it can be hard to get detail in when using pencil crayons.
Scraw - interesting design, but the anatomy seems off.
chaosrocks - very interesting idea. The rendering needed some more refinement, I think.
Sequential76 - interesting lighting, but just didn't look like a child to me.
Decayinglolita - needed more refinement. Otherwise, I thought it was pretty good.
magichappens - work on your anatomy!
Ameno - also work on your anatomy! Even a very cartoony style must be based in reality, otherwise how would we be able to tell a cartoon dog from a cartoon cat? You have to know what to exaggerate. In your coloured picture, the figure almost gets lost in the background.
More later!
Saturns Gate
September 9th, 2008, 11:32 AM
Updated my post, with the second part of the video :P I suck at voice overs.
zenichi
September 9th, 2008, 12:55 PM
Updated my post, with the second part of the video :P I suck at voice overs.
thanks, the videos were brilliant, learn so much from it! thanks again for sharing, care to share more on the production methods? so will get to see more videos in future!!!! cheers
Antne
September 9th, 2008, 05:28 PM
I didn't make it to poll because I named my pic wrong? I didn't know that was a make it or brake it issue. Crazy. Well now I know. I won't make that mistake again. Thanks benkashmir for the almost vote and nice words. I am voting for Indus. His really stood out to me.
Saturns Gate
September 9th, 2008, 05:48 PM
Third and final part of the video WIP is up in my post. Enjoy.
(Slurring my R's as always ;) )
I might do some more but its such a pain in the ass and time consuming to do all this, so dont hold your breath for a little while. Glad some of you learned something from it.
S.C. Watson
September 9th, 2008, 05:58 PM
I didn't make it to poll because I named my pic wrong? I didn't know that was a make it or brake it issue. Crazy.
Hey Antne, sorry about that, but it's posted in two places, in the first post of the thread, and then again as a reminder in the second post (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1910485&postcount=2), along with some other reminders that should probably be reviewed as well. In recent weeks, we've had too many people naming their entries the exact same thing, and I've had issues with accidental overwriting of files when I download them - which creates the problem of having to start the download over because I don't know which image got overwritten to begin with.
All the best,
~Oreg.
MJ_Alcazar
September 9th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Wow, thank you for all the crits guys!!! I'll take them and apply them to future CHOWs. I really appreciate the time you took out for them :)
Ok, I voted.
Indus - loved the research behind it and I really thought it captured the choosing and preparation before hand.
Saturn's Gate - I loved watching that video, and the thought you put into it. I think you got the preparation and the decision making down in his pose and everything. Good job.
VampireHungerStrike - Love your style. And I thought the idea of the child being hesitant was really good.
Slash - Some issues with the arms, but I thought you kept with the theme really well, and I like the look on his face as he's being led. You did great. :)
Others
Poshspice -beautiful work. But, it was, too me a little too far off the brief. But, i loved how you incorporated the knife as a fearful symbol of what's to come rather than being used at just that moment. :)
Sequential76 - I thought the drawing was really good, I love the job you did with the references. I wish I could use reference like that! :) But, as some one else mentioned, the statue fights for my attention, maybe if you brought it down a little, or changed the lighting slightly. But, it was close for me. :)
tomwaits4noman- I like yours also, but I thought it was too during the sacrifice for my tastes. A few issues with the legs, I think, that could be lighting and my comp. is messing up. But, I thought you did really well with the face. :)
Orion9282 - I really thought you're piece was beautiful. But, when I saw it, my immediate thought was, oh wow, that's a gorgeous statue, and then my thoughts went to the child beneath. Just throw in a good pose in there and it would be wonderful!
Veneris - hmmm. It looks good, and at first I was wondering why I was holding back. I think, maybe, it's because I had a hard time connecting, her expression is great, but I didn't feel as if I got her personality. If that makes any sense.
Ye_oldskool - I think if you had put the child in another setting, and not ready to be sacrificed on the cliff, it would have worked. Maybe put him with his parents or with the priest coming to get him. :)
DigitallyDumbfounded - you know, I really almost voted for yours. And, I'm so terribly sorry, but I can't think of a reason I didn't. A lot of my voting is going with gut feelings. I really wish I could've said something helpful. :)
Timothee - beautiful piece, but I think the reason I didn't choose it. While dramatic, it doesn't seem to have a lot of emotion.
All in all, I thought everyone did a really great job on a subject that may have been very hard to think about. But alas, it still occurs in other forms across the world.
Saturn's Gate - you know what's so funny? I was just about to do a neutral color frame, and it just seemed to be attention grabbing, so I changed to blue so it would "blend" better! lol. Well, at least now I know not to do that. :)
vineris
September 9th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Crit continuation:
Vorace - good rendering and lighting, interesting pose, but didn't really look like a child. The pencils looked quite good.
xgabo - cool costume design and nice lighting. The idol and figure in the rear take away from the child, though, and there really isn't anything to the kid other than the cloak and hat.
Orion9282 - I think this could have been stronger with a less neutral and more defined face.
Hfix - The anatomy needs work, even on a cartoony character design. The environment is too confused and chaotic, and it takes some of the focus away from the figure. I'd avoid mixing soft and hard edges for now.
Meeatu - the pose and concept are very different! The face doesn't look anything like a child's, though. I also think the colours look too dim overall and the highlights make the skin look metallic.
Vampirehungerstrike - the woman turned out so well! The child's head looks very awkward at that angle, though, and I feel the lower bodies should have been shown.
Hashshashin - Interesting lighting and concept. I don't think the streaming water quite turned out, and I think more of the child could have been shown.
mmfidler - good first try! You should use reference as much as you can, though. Try to avoid using too soft a brush. Right now it looks like nothing is in focus except those black scribbly lines you used for feathers.
Glenter - I like the texture and the faces look great, but the anatomy on that guy looks off. His chest and shoulders look narrow in comparison to the face and the bent leg makes him look ungrounded.
timothee - His right cheek looks too wide, but I still like this. On further reflection I'm really sorry I didn't vote for it. The background is bland, but it doesn't take the focus away from the figure. The blue shadow is an improvement.
Poshspice - really well done, but I didn't think the costume and backstory really fit in with the concept.
Carnifex - the facial features seem crooked. Needed more refining.
cowboy surfer - the concept of growing into the clothes was very interesting! I think the face was the biggest problem with this. S/he looks chinless and the mouth looks quite crooked. Along with the huge eyes, s/he looks like a toy rather than a person. It can be a difficult angle to pull off, so it's worth practicing a bit more! Also, that lightbeam didn't really work. Maybe blend it into the background a bit more?
indus - very cool. The faces really made this one.
Slash - I think I liked everything about this, but those light bars really did it for me. Very effective lighting!
Antne - Very powerful expression. I think it needed a bit more refinement.
Chicken_bone - I think you made it too dark, the colours are too muddy and it could have used a bit more blending. The idea was good, but maybe it could have used a slightly more elaborate costume?
benkashmir - very cute! The body seems to be leaning forward too much.
Anyway, thanks for all the crits and I hope some of the above was useful!
madhatter106
September 9th, 2008, 08:52 PM
Wow, the slash and burn on the entries this week was pretty high - I guess Oregano and daestwen sure mean business! Wish I had time to enter this one, as the subject matter (though a touch grim) is fascinating.
Now for some comments...will try to include those who didn't make the poll...
gunnarson - I like the technique of the painting, I just find the pose to be very awkward. Too stylized. Also, the figure is nearly the same proportion as the other figures, which doesn't help to identify it as a child.
ye oldskool - I love this one. The only trick about it is to convey the fact that the child is a sacrifice, and not a child prince or ruler. Perhaps it's the hands up in the air in the foreground, but it reminds me of the opening of The Lion King in some weird way. Maybe all it needed was a high priest accompanying him? I don't know. Maybe it's his sullen look? I'm still trying to figure out why it doesn't scream "child sacrifice" to me. But I think technically it looks pretty good, the rain is a nice moody touch.
KidApe - as much as I love the larger figure on the left, I'm disappointed by the smaller figure at the lower right. Give that kid a meal, he's so boney! There's some anatomy issues there that need working.
Saldim'78 - I like the costume; however, there's an intensity of detail throughout the whole thing, and I find that my eye is too busy and distracted looking at all the different trims and details. Your little doodles and WIPs are great, too, I'm glad someone showed all the different permutations that they came up with before arriving at the final concept.
tomwaits4noman - love the inclusion of the high priest. The color and values are good, but I think the kid's face looks a touch too old - at a quick glance, I mistook him for a midget/dwarf/little person, and not a child. Love the background elements, too, they're perfectly sinister.
DigitallyDumbfounded - great color, great start, needs more polish! Would have liked to see you carry through and really work on some of the details a little more.
MJAlacazar - keep pushing and pushing and pushing! I will agree with the others who have posted that your progress has been great these past few weeks - just keep going! The doll is a great touch, too. Perfectly believable.
Scraw - I like the composition, and the guy in the background looks creepy. Great makeup for the kid.
chaosrocks - kudoes for doing this subject in a more peaceful and less disturbing angle. Would never have dreamed of doing something so peaceful looking as this.
Sequential76 - the embers are a great touch - gives it real motion and movement, I can feel the heat and imagine the smoke wafting up. I almost wish it were in color, so you get that same warmth from the embers! This crit brought to you by the letter M and the number 6. ;)
DecayingLolita - great sun rays. Wish your image were bigger/taller!
vineris - haven't quite figured out if I like this one yet. The stylization throws me off a bit - with the black and white, and her pageboy haircut, pale face and dark lips/eye makeup, it makes me think she's a silent movie actress! In looking at the WIPs, I think I like her mouth earlier, when it didn't have the lipstick/darker edges...she had more of an aghast dismayed disturbed look without the lipstick. The composition with the circle of adults around her works very well for this.
ameno - the large feet take it more into the realm of Super Stylized. Makes me think of Gollum when I see those feet. ;)
Vorace - while I love this one, I can understand how it didn't make it to the poll. The kid is so muscular, he looks more like a buff midget than he does a little boy. Your work is always so detailed and a pleasure to look at. The direction of the rain and the swirling cloud behind him work well too. You're also one of the few who did feathers that I actually like - a lot of entries have feathers that look more like knife blades.
Orion9282 - I really love this one. Simply presented, well painted, not over-worked, great costume.
HFix - little too cartoony for my taste, especially due to the subject matter. I like his "action figures" that he's holding, hehehehe.
meeatu - I think if the brief had been "Insane Aztec or Mayan Child-God Ruler Drunk with His Own Power" your entry would win! ;) That said, I think it shys a bit too much from the child sacrifice brief, though I love the painting. The pose seems a bit weird and definitely looks damn uncomfortable. And the face looks very mature/adult/older.
VampireHungerStrike - I love seeing how your inspirational images affected the finished product. The blue make-up on the both of them sells it for me - I think if it were missing that touch, the composition would be less interesting for me. It does a great job of pulling our attention up to their faces and emotions. Interesting that you chose to include a female adult accompanying the child...makes me wonder if it's her mother, or a high priestess...or both?
Hashashin - did I spell that right? I like the first WIP - I think you might have gone overboard with the aqua green in the later stages. I also like his face best in the earliest WIP, too - he looks a little too pissed off in the later stages.
mmfidler - great idea for the composition, but the child gets lost in the background darkness. I think if the sky were lighter to give us more contrast, it would work better.
Glenter - the use of the dutch angle works well for this brief. I like the expressions on both their faces. I think you could do without his leg/thigh/knee in the lower portion of the image, I don't think it's needed.
timothee - looks good, I like the difference between the warms of the temples and the cools of the figure. Great child face, great expression. He looks like Haley Joel Ossment has been cast as an extra in Apocalypto, hehehehehe.
Poshspice - I'd echo what another poster has said - I wish the costume were more interesting. Despite the difference in values between the subject and the surroundings, I find my eye more interested in all the details on the wall behind her - whenever I look at this entry, that's where my eye spends the bulk of the time. I wish the feathers on her headdress didn't look so stubby. However, the illustration tells the story marvelously, with her eyes cast down up on the dagger in the foreground, and beautifully painted as always.
Carnifex - simply twisted, hehehehe. "Here little sacrifice, have a little dolly!" Very macabre.
cowboy surfer - wish it were worked up/painted more. I think you should keep going with this one, it would be interesting to see what another hour or two would bring to it.
indus - well done, great colors. The one thing that really really bugs me about this piece is the kid's ankles/feet... they look like they're too far forward, like the kid has been hobbled and then made to stand.
Slash - the lighting in this works well, the diagonal "film noir" slashes of light across the figure is good. I wonder, though, if the kid's expression is a little too serene? Or maybe he has resigned himself to his fate? The hand leading him down the corridor works wonders for telling the story...
Saturn's Gate - great costume. Love the headdress and the feathers. I'm still trying to figure out the stone figure in the background.
Antne - wish this were in the poll, I'd vote for it in a heartbeat. A great approach.
Chicken_Bone - another more peaceful and tender and serene approach to the brief. I think it would tell the story better if the shadow of the priest were more prominent or distinct - at first I missed it when I looked at your piece. What if the shadow were falling across the two of them, running toward them on the floor and ending on the wall behind them?
Apologies if I missed you in the above...
DeeLock
September 9th, 2008, 09:05 PM
Hey Saturn:
Your piece reminds me a lot of Mike Krahuliks linework and rendering style, on the sculpture of tlaloc specifically.
Which is awesome.
You're awesome.
mmfidler
September 9th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Okay, probably just overlooked it, but is there a way to do the "Thank yous" ?
Looks like a tally is kept or something. It's probably a bit redundant if I reply every time someone critiques.
Well, anyway. Thanks Vineris and Madhatter106...seriously appreciate the feedback. I'm excited to keep going.
daestwen
September 9th, 2008, 10:06 PM
Okay, probably just overlooked it, but is there a way to do the "Thank yous" ?
You need at least ten posts on the forums to use that feature! So don't worry about it. :)
Orion9282
September 9th, 2008, 10:14 PM
zenichi, MJ Alcazar
I totally hear ya on the statue/mannequin comments. I showed this to a friend of mine when I was finished and that was their first comment. Guess I got caught thinking too much about detailing the costume that I forgot about the character's personality.
Vineris
Right-o, I agree that his face could use as much detail as other portions of the painting. I'm struggling somewhat with loose vs. detailed paintings.
I think that I prefer loose-looking work, but I know that tighter work shows more fine details that describe the design better. Anyone have thoughts on what the industry prefers?
Thanks to chaosrocks, madhatter106, Saturns Gate and all y'all.
Antne
September 10th, 2008, 02:50 AM
Hey Antne, sorry about that, but it's posted in two places, in the first post of the thread, and then again as a reminder in the second post (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1910485&postcount=2), along with some other reminders that should probably be reviewed as well. In recent weeks, we've had too many people naming their entries the exact same thing, and I've had issues with accidental overwriting of files when I download them - which creates the problem of having to start the download over because I don't know which image got overwritten to begin with.
All the best,
~Oreg.
Thanks for the explanation Oregano. I figured it was a tech reason I didn't know of. I will definitely name it correctly in the future.
MadHatter106 Thanks so much for the hypothetical vote. :D Much appreciated.
Adele
September 10th, 2008, 03:18 AM
where was edujante entry? why didnt you enter yours in the finals man?!
kiwigarbage
September 10th, 2008, 02:18 PM
Sequential 76 and ye_oldschool got my vote. Two very different approaches, but both caught my eye!
Sequential76: It was very interesting that you used that black and white campfire photo for a reference, it seemed to pay off! Very emotional and tense!
ye_oldschool: The boy has a ton of individuality. I like the simplicity of the composition, very effective. It makes me want to see the next scene!
Sequential76
September 12th, 2008, 12:11 AM
The colors that Vampire used really caght my eye, very nice.
edujante
September 12th, 2008, 08:38 AM
Adele!!
Have no time to finish!!!
I saw your web. Very nice cartoon style! :)
Adele
September 15th, 2008, 11:22 PM
too bad....its looked cool!
thanks for visiting my stuff! :D
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