Interested in Full Sail? you better look at this

[Mad_Mistro]

This was from a recent post I made but I made its own thread so it will get the attention of those wanting to go to full sail.

Hey guys this is my first post and i think this post at an IGDN forum will help u out heres a good quote this was ina thread regarding art schools such as Fullsail, Iadt, etc etc. also if anyones interested in going to full sail for computer animation maybe you should check this website out. www.Fullsailsucks.com although just remember any review you read about a school be very skeptical.


"It does not matter what school you go to, only what kind of student you are. A good student at a bad school will still succed despite his education."

Dustin

[helix7]

I kind of thought it was common knowledge that Full Sail is a joke. But I guess there are still enough people who don't know and sign up for classes each year, keeping this place in business. You would think there would be some sort of government group that would step in at some point and at least do an investigation or something...

[feartheunknown]

There are two opinions of that site. One is that it's run by a fullsail reject and those like him who want to bash the school publicly, and the other is that it's just run by someone with a competing school who is trying to take business from Fullsail.

Fullsail was once a decent school, but they lost their way and now it's no longer about the education, but how much money they can get while they can. They have a very powerful and mesmerizing marketing approach, and it suckers a lot of naiive people into it each month. Fullsailsucks.com serves a valuable function as "equal time" for the other side of the school you don't get to see at Behind the Scenes.

I don't think fullsailsucks.com would even exist if Fullsail had better entrance requirements, and were a bit more realistic in what they were offering. When you pay for a steak you don't expect to be handed a hamburger. Their placement rates (boasted to be 80% at one time) is a prime example. It sounds good but their definition of "placement" in the industry is much broader than you think. An "industry job" could be anything from making games at Electronic Arts, to working the register at Blockbuster.

[Jason Manley]

no school has an eighty percent placement rate....thats pure crap that the recuriters tell you...even ringling only placed about twenty percent or less each year....perhaps eight percent get jobs eventually...but immediate placement is probably around ten percent for most programs...there just are not that many great young artists coming out of school who are ready to compete with the pros.

that is what it is about...working so hard that you come out of school able to do professional work...the best...and no less.


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[sic1]

Originally posted by Mad_Mistro

"It does not matter what school you go to, only what kind of student you are. A good student at a bad school will still succed despite his education."



You sir, are an inspiration enhancer.

:chug:

[Mad_Mistro]

I'm glad this thread is helping out some people...:rock:

[Clodhopper]

why is that when people suck, they want to blame the school?
take some F*%in responsiblilty.

I'm in my 6th month at FS and i got to say its almost perfect for someone like me (extremely self driven). but i spend easily 100 hours a week at school. not the required 40.

A wise old instructor of mine here at FS once told us. "the education that the school spoon feeds you in the classroom is probably not worth the entire tuition, but if you take it upon yourself to go out and take advantage of all that the school offers- you can come out with an education thats worth far more than the tuition."...or something to that effect.

anyway, i'm sure I'm getting my money's worth out of FS becuase I'm not just taking what I'm given, I'm taking all i can get.

THE LARGEST PROBLEM WITH FULLSAIL IS:
there arn't enough girls here.

One more thing...
the quality of your own work carries alot more weight than the quality of your school. I'm sure any employer would agree

[Clodhopper]

Mad_Mistro: I'm not sure who you think yer helping out by trying to "warn people" about the school when you know absolutley nothing about it. Are you still in highschool?

...I could easily yell in everyone's face for a week straight about how foolish it is to rip on FS when you really have no idea what its like, nothing to compare it to, and alot of you don't even have any college experience.

to Those of you that actually read www.fullsailsucks.com.
Thats site is a huge joke to the computer animators. we luagh at all the failed audio and game design students. Its hilarious how unprepared these people were for the program, and then when it kicked their asses, they blame the school.
There are actually very few comments from computer animation failures. Almost all of it is audio.

[Mad_Mistro]

Wo wo wo! hey im not "ripping" on any school. Especially, any of those who go to it. I was considering going to the school myself. The reason why I made this thread was for people to post their oppinions to help me and others. Besides that every person is different in what school they want to go to.

The reason I brought up fullsailsucks.com (and i also put up a warning saying be very skeptical about what you read) is for a person to read through all the forums of that site because there are a lot of people who are on the good side of that school and make very good points. Also, one code of morality i want in this forum is no offesnive attacks or hostility in arguments be open minded. I didnt make this post to say full sail sucks, i made it to have people state their oppinions about the school thats why on the title of the post i said "you better check this out". For your information yes im still in high school and I have done alot of study on this school and others, me being in high school or out of high school should put no judgement on me, my maturity, morality,my intelligence, or how I think for that matter. Anyway, this post is for help on this school because making a decision on going to it is very hard. This school isnt for everyone. Thank you all for your posts I appreciate it.

[Mad_Mistro]

Also just let me add Clodhopper. You may be driven in wht you want to do I am too. I dont want to go to that school because like they said its like the entertainment industry itself, it's fast and very demanding. You may be able to handle that right off the bat but Id like to take a slower process in learning what I want to do, and take my time etc. Then once my skills are up I'll be ready to get into the industry and I will know what to expect. I want to learn first, THEN sense my skills will be a lot better I can handle the industry. The reason i bring this up is from what you said in your firt post.

"I'm in my 6th month at FS and i got to say its almost perfect for someone like me (extremely self driven). but i spend easily 100 hours a week at school. not the required 40."

Thats great!!! But, just because people arent wanting to go as fast as you do and they want to be a little bit more in depth on what their learning doesnt mean they suck at all. You sound a bit stressed out from your last post and you may be able to handle that while your learning, but for most people theyd rather take their time and soak it all up.

The only people I think "suck" at any school where they want to learn what they want to do are the ones who dont take it seriously enough and are just VERY lazy and dont give a damn especially when they found out how much work is involved.Those are just people who have never had a passion for art or animation and they look at the brochure and say "hey oh thats cool id like to have that job, sounds easy enough".Heh, they just take the school for granted. I just dont want anyopne taking your post to hard. Anyways have a good day.

[Mad_Mistro]

Hey just to cheer anyone up who needs it heres a funny flash just wait a while for it to come up youll like it....


http://members.cox.net/impunity/endofworld.swf

[Mad_Mistro]

Also if anyone would like to know how much i know about the school. well, i've been to their mesmorizing and very good orientation the school is very showy and seems to be well organized. I've also talked to alot of students I found the website fullsailsucks.com and talked to some people about why they hate it and why they like it. Thing is, oppinions are oppinions, I try to get all i can and make a decision. I seperate the advantages and disadvantages. So I know quite a bit about the school, all that I need.

lol also there was a comment as to why the website Fullsailsucks.com was made i think one of them was that it was made by another school because their competing with them? Now, this is just a guess. But there is a new school out over there i think called joes school of computer animation. I talked to them at Megacon in orlando and i asked what their oppinion was of fullsail. lol, they really had a disinterest in it. Almost an obsessive hatred. lol anyways just a thought.
ok well im finished sorry for the multi posts i kinda got carried away.

[Clodhopper]

aight, maybe i got a little over angry...
anyway I'm glad you've asked around and found more sources than just FSsucks.com. your description of "people that suck" is exactly what I'm talking about- and then those "people that suck" whine about my school and I'm sick of it, and it puts me on edge.
well best of luck; i hope you find a good school you like.

[malicious]

I dont want to go to that school because... it's fast and very demanding.

just like every other art school i've heard about. college is college, no matter what the marketing groups call it. i think it safe to say there is no easy art school. sure, you will have an easy class here and there, then you'll have teachers that expect you to take a class serioiusly and have a hell of a time of it.

that said, don't give the "sucks" site too much credit. it's by no means a unique thing. there is such a site for almost everything. examples? sure!

http://www.schoolsucks.com (i admit, these guys are right :P)
http://www.aolsucks.com (okay, destroying my own case here :P)
http://www.milksucks.com (okay, here we go.)

moral of the story, the internet has a way of making everyone think their opinion is important, and having a spiffy website tends to give them some pretense of credibility. sites like fullsailsucks are just a gathering place for failed students that don't want to blame themselves.

if you're sincerely worried about a school's credibility, contact them about accreditation boards. these are the people that make your degrees count. if the school gets the OK from an accreditation board, you can probably rest assured that your tuition is not being wasted.

[Mad_Mistro]

Made a decision. i already went to IADT to check it out and everything I checked out the accredidation etc etc. I didnt really hear any to much bad things about it. I like the way the classes are. Im getting into the course that gives you your bachelors of fine arts in computer animation. Its not just learning how to use Lightwave, Maya, 3ds max its also 2d cell animation and it gives you classes in english and math. Its a very good school for me.

[Mad_Mistro]

Malicious: I'm not looking for an easy school i understand where your coming from. Full sail rightnow just goes through things to fast compared to other schools. OH, and i also heard that they are offering bachelors degrees now for mainly the game design. Thats good to hear...especially because game design and programming needs a little bit more than 14 months or so to learn.

[poly_cube]

You never really know if the school is ideal or great.

Digipen for example: when I went we had about 50 students and one teacher. If the class is 3 hours and the majority of people have questions (basic or complex) how long do you think a student will have to wait? Plus a few bad classes could give the school a bad rep. Esp if its 1k a piece. Who enjoys wasting that much money?

Of course when the direct of the art program tells you their cutting corners in the art department so on paper it looks like there making a profit so future students can get scholarships and gov aid. That’s great for future students but to bad for current students. And the art director was new to his position so I guess we were somewhat the testing ground.

Even though I don’t regret going to DP, I actually had to leave because of a death in the family, otherwise I would have stayed for sure.

Even Gnomon gave me some lip before I went there. I ask for the syllabus so I can see what I will be learning. Seems legit right? I mean I’m paying 1,600 I should be able to see what I’m getting. I swear I had to bother them so FUCKING much it was ridiculous. I almost felt like it just wasn’t worth a dime. But a friend highly recommended it so I went ahead anyways and took only 2 classes. It was great…..they only allow something like 15 students per class and there was always someone one site to help out. Not to mention we were allowed to watch any of the gnomon dvd’s for free. Over all it was just a good experience.

But in the end it doesn’t mater what school you go to. The only thing that will get you hired is your experience/art. Skill set. Most of the time it’s just your experience that will get you hired. No art school can make you a good artist- it all depends on the artist desire to improve.