My thoughts about matrix(possible spoilers)

[Crash]

this is my thought about the matrix: rev


http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/99611/0.jpg


as you can see, the pic is over done with effex and filters.

thats how the film felt like, but under there some where there was something called. A FUCKING STORY, where did it go?
and some effects in the movie was over done, some was really well done. But those confusing flish flashing scenes where the camera spunn around so fast and hard that you didnt know wtf was upside down.

the parts i liked about the movie was the "real" world, it was nicely done and the fighting there was some of the best ive seen (star wars eat your heart out).

other than those small thoughts.

it was kinda cool

[Payback]

If that image is supposed to say anything, I fail to see it. Even with my eyes all squinted up and sitting faaar from the screen.

[ceenda]

Just back from the watching the film.

Overwhelming sense of "meh...".

Might ponder it a bit more or go and see it again before making my mind up about it. You can't deny that it looks awesome though.

[Crash]

some scenes felt like if they just put layer on layer on layer of fx and music, it felt over done to hell.


but sure, it looked fucking awesome.



btw , if you look closely on the pic you can se "story"

[jwo]

har har (http://www.justinbrejwo.com/artx/hardehar.jpg)

[MGH]

I'm with you, there guys. I was going to say the film sucked but was afraid the Matrix Army would get me.
The only reason to stick it out to the end was the f/x and Carrie-Ann Moss in latex.

[MrSmith]

when they change the name to MATIX:REFUNDED and give me my money back for seeing reloaded, i might go see this crap.

[McNallyism]

THe movie had some really, really impressive effects and action sequences, but was plagued with redundant, pretentious(sp?), drawn-out, BOOOOOOOOORING dialogue sequences. did I mention that the dialogue was BORING? And did I mention the fact that I would rather scrape my eyeballs out with a toothpick than listen to Trinity's ten-minute death soliloquy one more time? If I ever see that movie in the theaters again, I will be sure to be about an hour and a half late so I can miss all the CRAP they put you through before giving you the good stuff.

-Sean

[pogonip]

Movie snobs are so .............great :rolleyes: ...yeah anyways I did NOT like reloaded all that much but this movie was AWESOME and it tied it all up nicely . I would really like to hear what else they could have done since people seem to be so disappointed .....I think maybe some people didnt get it ??? Now I do agree with the death of trinity ...sucking ass because it was so convaluted ...but it does fallow along with the story arc of Neo dying at the end .....sacrafice and choice is what the movie is about I dont see what else could have happened . Personally I think using the Oracl and Neo to kinda Anti-virus the super virus that is Smith was genius . My hats off to the writers I loved the movie !

[thomasaurus]

I just got back from the theatre, and I'm still taking it all in, trying to piece everything together plot wise. The visuals were great, but I agree overdone at a few points.

I was half expecting for some sort of explanation to come after the credits, but alas was disappointed.

[Erik]

I was hoping the story would come together again after Reloaded, but ... it didn't.

This was a missed opportunity, unbalanced action/no action wise and also it did not have a good ending. The machine god at the end and Neo's end battle are unclear to me, i keep asking myself 'how did he beat him?' -- but maybe that's just what it's supposed to be about: Neo is prepared to die for his cause and forces the Machine to make a choice. But earlier they said he couldn't stop Smith... Hmm.

I'm glad they did not go for an obvious open-end though it is still an open end...

But the effects were good in the Siege sequence.

[JoshuaTheJames]

I thought the first two were gifts from the gods.

The third made me as sad as a child that can't have what he wants.

-Joshua

[tyboogie]

what a dissapointment

the very end was pretty bad " i mad this sky for neo" WTF

1.) so how the hell was smith going to overrun the matrix? oh...he just was ....ok


2.) now theyre going to release billions of humans from teh matrix. release them to what? a barren wastleand with no flowers? people will be killing eachother left and right for the few rescources the earth is left with.

3.) they set up a struggle where man is fighting for the survival of teh species ...and it ends with peace? oooooookay

pesonally i think neo should have done something where all teh bots were disarmed. like as if his spiritual energy did the same thing as the ship , where it shuts all the bots down in an explosion. but maybe that shuts down all teh incubators too.... then he has to choose wther or not to kill billions of people to FINALLy stop the war. he chooses yes. and kills everyone. but the people left in zion can finally come back to teh surface to rebuild civilization.

OR

if the film ended with neo waking up again...where everything that had happened in the REAL world was really just a BACK UP matrix....and at teh end the film pans out of neo awakeninng to find hes the only conscious human

something...anything to grip us....but alas were stuck with...well i dont even know what were stuck with....



i thought the new ship/mech/bot designs were really beautiful, as were the effects and animation. and the entire 45 min zion invasion was brilliant. can we just get two hours of THat story next time?

[JoshuaTheJames]

Yo, seriously by the time that kid was yelling "Zion we won Zion we won" I literally, involuntary said out loud, like a child.."I want to go home."

That movie was beyond disappointing for me. It literally made me sad.



I do appreciate the superior quality of these movies and I am very happy they made this trilogy.

-Joshua

[JoShuA]

I totally agree with joshthejames and tyboogie,

Me and my brother in law and one of my buddies went and saw it last night, I loved this movie even the drab dialog, the effects made me so happy, the a.p.u's just blasting away at sentenels, dude it was awsome, BUT.....

As I understand it, neo makes a deal with the "God" machine to kill Agent Smith in return for Peace. And the oracle allowed herself to be assimilated by agent smith, for she knew that in the final battle she would be able to influence the "Super agent Smith" she had become, O.k It makes sense to me so far... BUT

It pissed me off that Neo Dies and only takes Agent smith with him. Like tyboogie, I thought "If Neo Dies he better take the machine world with him." I thought he would like unleash his spiritual matrix power and short circut all the machines. Then his deat was justified.

And what about the people In Zion? are they gonna keep living underground like mole people? The story hinted at co-existence between machine and human, but what the hell there's still abunch of killer sentenels and shit running all over the place!
I want the humans to live on the surface!!! I want them to find trinity and she's still (barely) alive, and the sky turns blue!!

And finally the last scene is what pissed me off the most.
I just did not understand it.
so the oracle is back. the matrix doesent have a green tinge anymore, the archetect says that anyone who wants to be release will. and the oracle says to the little indian girl that they will probably see neo again. man so lame.

any ways I just needed to rant cause I had such high hopes for this film.

My theory is that the Wachowski Brothers really have no controll over the child of their imaginations and warner bros. made them leave gaping holes in the story so they can add 4 hours worth of deleted scenes in the special editon dvd. and make a million spin offs and paperback novels with sidestorys.

[Skank]

im gonna hafta jump on this bandwagon

the movie was beautiful to look at no doubt, thats been the big thing thru all 3 movies of course, but on the last 2 its like thats all they were offering us was the visuals, like girls and sparkly things and little kids with shiney things..lol
the movie was entertaining thruout most of it, but ill agree the the dialog was boring as fucking hell! (they so shouldve started the movie with trinity kickin someones ass, she did it in the first 2 dammit..lol) and damn trinity, i know youre impaled in like 6 different places...but do you hafta say the same thing 3 times in 3 different ways??? JUST DIE ALREADY!!!!!! :bash:

and the ending was so not creative....i mean sure, theyve been building up on the theological aspect fromt he beginning, bat dayam...:wtf:

best things about this movie: the dock fight, absolutely amazing
and the overall visuals....they delivered there fo SHO!


other than that??

:bsflag:

[defcombeta]

spin off how about another movie in 3 years time.

grr , saw it , went meh, and left, it not a bad film its just everyone has hyped up views and expects way to much , what they got was the same thing just from a different angle.

john mac

[Patton Art]

I still don't know what to think about it.
The dialouge didn't bug me at all; people always complain about crappy dialouge in movies, but I very rarely complain about that.
Beneath all the spiffy visual effects there IS a story. You just have to listen to that dialouge to figure it out. hahaha.
I really didn't mind the story at all, except for the very end. It makes sense, but it doesn't. It's not a satisfactory end. If you want a nice dynamic end, you have to push your audiences emotions; whether it's joy, sorrow, whatever. They didn't really push any emotions.

The Matrix (and tons of other movies) make connections to real life issues and religion all the time. Neo could be seen as Jesus, Morpheus as his followers, whatever. There are a lot more connections within the movie, but I don't remember them.
Half way through the movie I leaned over to my girlfriend and said "in the end, the machines and humans will live together." I was hoping I was wrong, but I was right. Why? I thought they were going to make a connection to multi-racial society, or possibly (more likely) the middle east. Two sides absolutely hate eachother, but they 'should' be able to live in harmony with happy trees, blue birds, and sunshine. And that's exactly where they went with it.



edit> I was just talking to a friend about it. Neo isn't dead-- everyone else that got taken over by Agent Smith came back to life. I'd have to bet that Neo would have too?

[N D Hill]

It was okay but nothing close to what I was hoping for. I guess the first one just blew me away so much that I was expecting some other huge spiritual epiphany. I rented the first one not knowing anything about it. That first scene where Neo wakes up in the pod just about made me spit out whatever I was drinking. The sequels were okay but unworthy of the first. They reminded me of japanese comic books for some reason.

I agree about the ending too. What did neo even do? Did he destroy the matrix? No. Did he help the humans take back the planet? No. He just made the machines decide not kill everyone by killing agent Smith, and suddenly "whoo! War's over! Let's have another rave!" I have to admit though, the scenes with APUs fighting the sentinals were very cool.

[JoShuA]

does anyone know where to get phot refs of those a.p.u mechs? or has anyone made a toy out of them yet?
they'd be a sweet project to model!

[BlackRose]

i really liked all 3 movies. i didn't get people didn't like 2 and 3 tho. the ending could have revealed more tho. i would have like to see machines working with humans to undo all the mistakes but o well.
i didn't like the close up of neo hitting smith in the face tho. it looked to much like they were trying to get a laugh out of it

[jwo]

Originally posted by JoShuA
does anyone know where to get phot refs of those a.p.u mechs? or has anyone made a toy out of them yet?
they'd be a sweet project to model!

enjoy:
http://www.spawn.com/toys/product.aspx?division=toys&category=movies&series=matrix2&product=apu

[Sammy]

I've really enjoyed the whole trillogy

I don't know why everyone has to be such haters, I can't think of any better sci-fi within the last decade.

[oglzogl]

I saw it last night and must admit that the dock scene was one of the coolest things I have ever seen in a movie.

While watching this latest installment I think I realized what bothered me about the second and third movie. They really were not about the Matrix at all.. they were about Zion, Neo and Agent Smith. It is not my story but if it was, I sure would have approached it differently.

I mean, is humanity in general any better off. Arent they all still plugged into the Matrix? Living a lie? Sure, whoever wants to leave, can.. but will the machines unplug everybody? I doubt it. So what did Neo accomplish? He only bought Zion time.

Gives em plenty of room for spin-off's, I guess.

I think the idea that stuck with me after seeing the first movie was that finally somebody had been able to portray Plato's cave. After seeing the second and third I think they ruined the idea. It would have almost been better if they never made the 2nd and 3rd films IMHO (although I am glad I saw Zion's last stand).

The philosophies they introduced are never really explored.. and when they were they came off cheesy as hell. And the characters they introduced were never developed. And too much is not explained. Why the hell does Neo have power in the real world? I don't know.. he just does! Must have a modem in his head.

Anyway, I loved the first.. but these latest... :(

[jwo]

i can say i will buy reloaded and this...but only when they are 9.99. or the makes some super mega ultimate specials editions.

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them" is still the stupidest shit i ever heard and want to stab myself in the neck.

humans + machines best friends 4 eva!

[Sammy]

Does anybody know where I can find concept work of the Nebuchadnezzar? or different views of the ship

[captnblack]

look in the art of the matrix book. there are some nice interior drawings of it by geof darrow.

[MrSmith]

DONT CALL ME A HATER! i'm hard but fair.

snuck into it after seeing school of rock (thus taking vengeance on the idiot bros. for stealing my money with reloaded!)

matrix: A.

smart action movie with innovative special effects

reloaded: F.

i cant imagine anything worse than sitting through this shit

revolutions: C.

fun rollercoaster popcorn movie devoid of good story or interesting characters (with the exeption of Agent Smith, Hugo Weaving is a God. too bad he is barely in it. i liked the scene where he basically made fun of all the masterbatory dialogue. nice). also the fantabulous CG Neo was cleverly disguised by rain. i was happy about that.

WHY IN THE HELL WAS RELOADED EVEN MADE? it could have been summed up in about 15 minutes at the beginning of revolutions. and everyone said all that supposed "deep" philosophical bullshit dialogue was setting up revolutions, but revolutions was just a bunch of cool action scenes.

closing thought: why did the stupid squid things just float around getting shot? stupid robots.


THERE IS ONLY ONE MATRIX MOVIE.

[MrSmith]

Originally posted by jwo

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them" is still the stupidest shit i ever heard and want to stab myself in the neck.


truer words have never been spoken.

i think i'll add the 10 minute "hurry up and die already" trinity death scene to the list of bad dialogue.

[Nimrod]

....

All I know is, they have one guy who freaking knows martial arts, like, really rocks at it, Seraph, right? And, he gets one fight. One. It's 30 seconds long and he has to slow down to let Dorktard win.

They had an awesome set up in Revolutions, hes walking up to the club, and those guys are like 'you're getting in here over my dead body,' and he's all like, totally gonna wail on their asses and we all know, right? Cause then he's all like, 'So be it' and you get all ready and... Trinity and Morpheus knock them out from behind and they all walk away. wtf?

They need to cut those Wachowski boys out of the loop and just ley Yuen Woo Ping make some more kung fu movies. That's all I went to see, and let me tell you what, what a let down.

[bRyaN]

I honestly believe you guys have never sat thru terrible movies...

The worst line in any movie is still..."Do you know what happens to a toad when it is struck by lightning" /crowd waits at edge of seat for cool one liner/ "The same that happens to everything else." /crowd sighs in disgust

Have you guys seen Once Upon a Time in Mexico..utter garbage(if it weren't for Johnny Depps character i would've walked out)..i think after doing Spy Kids..Robert Rodriguez went crazy.(Desperado is one of my all time faves)

The League of Extraordinary Gentlmen was bleh..the cooolest thing of the film were the set designs...

The Hulk sucked when the Hulk wasn't on screen..."Give me your power"..."To much power...take it back!!" Another terrible line that far surpasses Seraphs line in Matrix

I could go on...

The Matrix was awesome..the Matrix:Reloaded was awesome..and will be seeing Revolutions tonight...

[Lev_0]

Morpheus' reloaded scene where he does the Zion speech is probably the most awkward scene ever, I felt embarassed being in the theatre watching it. I had to cover my face with a magazine walking out of the theatre in case anyone saw that I actually payed to watch that.

Was also funny how while the 3 of them are chasing the train guy in the beginning they have to dodge and hide from his crap little gun that he shoots at them, then just after that they're in a huge gunfight where literally they stand still and get shot at by huge uzis and machine guns without getting hit!! And why the hell don't the robots just build GUNS and shoot the stupid humans sitting in their mechs lol. And why didn't Neo ever jump into Agent smith and destroy him from the inside like in the first episode? Probably cause they weren't planning on making 2 more films originally even though they said they did, so they put in more kungfu to leech our money.

Anyways reloaded and revolutions were lost opportunities, I put them in the same bin as Battlefield earth and the mummy, some cool effects but meh.

[jwo]

jada gave me permagrin every second she was on screen though.

[Presence]

All I know is that I am a full time film student who has some grasp as to what it takes to make a movie at this type of level and you know what...

NONE US HAVE ANY RIGHT TO BITCH!

We are spoiled little brats when it comes to northamerican cinema. It is not a perfect science, same with writing and with the forms we use here at the site so anyone I hear complaining about this movie shall be...I don't know but it won't be very nice.

Revelations was pure eye candy that actually had a pulse. And for that we should be very thankful

[MrSmith]

heh i think the prices of tickets give me plenty of right to bitch.

[grinn]

Its so popular to hate the popular movies. In your efforts to avoid the bandwagon you have all jumped on another, larger bandwagon. The matrix triolgy, while entirely lacking in story and good writing, was presented unimaginably well for what it is, and has taken production to new levels. It left a serious mark, and it wasn't because it sucked. The movies were overall well done and worth seeing.

I see a lot of threads talking about how revolutions sucked. But I am just going to assume those people are only kidding that they go to see a movie like the matrix, or a movie at all just for its meaning and story. How noble of you all. I went for giant fighting robots and hovercrafts and special effects.

I have my complaints about the story behind the matrix, but isn't it after all just a rip of terminator anyways? Where the core of the plot is concerned there was definately nothing revolutionary about the Matrix. Why did you all expect it to soar in storyline?

Bleh, someone said something about the 'matrix army' coming to get them if they complained. But I really don't know what your talking about, on every forum I post on there has been people doing nothing but bash the Matrix. I was complaining about the story at first too...but a lot of you have taken it too far now. Saying that the movies are just terrible when there has never been anything like this before. I think there should be more people defending a movie like this. I am sure you all hated starwars episode 2 also, despite some of the awesome fight scenes. (some of the crap in that movie got to me too)

I think its largely ironic that the parts of the movie people complain about most are where they try to put the story in. Yet they complain the story wasnt built strong enough, or the story wasn't good at all. I won't disagree, the story definately wasnt very strong. And what the hell was with the ending? I like to just pretend that didnt happen. And that the characters Link and that Nyrobi or whatever..that pilot chick, I pretend those characters dont exist too. And it works for me. Try to remember what was awesome about the movie instead of the corny lines and the 20 minutes it takes annoying characters to die. I think you will all start to appreciate it a lot more.

That said use the boring scenes to..well... spend time with your girlfriend ;oP

If she is willing to come with you. Or exist. Which mine doesnt. ... I am going to go now.

I am not very good with english.

Even though I am American...and have been since I was born...anyways, I suck with words..so hopefully I got my point across ;oP

[tyboogie]

the first mattrix film was a badass mix of a cool concept, engaging characters, and a provocative storyline. the TWO sequels completely fell flat plot-wise compared to the first film. everyones dissapointed by this. thats all.


to be honest...the two sequels feel like they were made by diff people...years later ..who sorta "interpreted" the material


"We are spoiled little brats when it comes to northamerican cinema. It is not a perfect science, same with writing and with the forms we use here at the site so anyone I hear complaining about this movie shall be...I don't know but it won't be very nice.""

whatever dude...the story was complete shite, and im not gonna feel bad for just accepting bad stories because im a spoiled american. i mean shit, they already proved they could do a great story WITH eye candy....the dropped the virtual ball on teh sequels....sorry.


the matrix went from having star wars ( original series)cult statis popularity....to episode 1 status
and agian...was teh design and effects amazing and mind blowing? yes....do the effects and design mean anything without STORY....no.

[oglzogl]

I think it is funny to tell people they should sit quietly and enjoy.. "no matter how many problems you see BY GOD, DON'T THINK!"

Movies are vehicles for storytelling.. at least in my book. First and foremost. Sure, visuals can enhance a story.. but if that is all you want from a movie, why even pretend? Why not just make a feature length wrestling film or something.. with robots! At least then there would be no pretense.

[Nimrod]

good points oglzogl and ty.. and I didnt go for the story either (gave up on that after reloaded); I went for some awesome action, and I still say I was sorely disappointed. From the people who brought us the dojo scene, the lobby shootout, and the freeway chase, and the chateau... revolutions was crap. the shootout on the ceiling was beyond lame. everyone just stood there shooting, stock still practically, except half of them were upside down. I think if I was going to make a fight where people were flipping directions i could come up with something a bit better than that. Zion defense was cool- I want to see more of THAT movie.

Speaking of however... did it irritate everyone else that they had to show how they loaded those rocket launchers every freaking time? Talk about KILLING the pacing. I swear to God, I could load those damn things in my sleep. After the original Matrix, which had great rythym, i don't know why reloaded and revolutions were so bad about that... both movies I was just squirming in my seat wishing it would hurry up.

[Presence]

Ty: The story was not shite, and for you to have the arrogance to dictate your ignorance. It is so easy for all of us to walk out of that movie and say "man that totally sucked, why would they go and do that, or this, or how come this didn't happen." I am not asking you to accept the story, just understand it. I am not trying to take the right you have to like the story or not but for you to understand what went into all of this and then call it shite is pretty brutal. That is where the spoiled part comes in.

Ogl: You are quite right, all stories usuall have some continuity or character issues that most people find, especially in cinema where not only are we dealing with the verbal issues of communication but the visual as well. It almost becomes the cliche double edged sword but even if you get the story down the visuals can kill it as well as the reverse. It would be nieve to ask anyone to sit there blank and without the will to think but at the same time the hyper critical level our audience has become I think, has gotten a little out of hand.

Nim: I really enjoyed the pacing of the Zion scene too but I have to say that I do see the point of the manual loading. Instead of it simply being another "burly brawl" the loading not only showed the industrial theme with human technology but it also did slow things down to bring in a little anticipation and suspence especially with the sents circling the diggers making the humans have to take extra care in timing for the shot. This pacing in conjunction with the crazed quick pace with the APU's and the chase sequence with the hovercraft heading towards Zion worked super well.

Reloaded was more or less a shock to me. I didn't think they had the balls to do it. To be honest I don't think the Wat's had a trilogy written. So when you create of something with such cult and commercial success where do you go? How are you supposed to top it? I think the best sense of reasoning is to take what worked in the first and build on it. We only had a glimpse into the theology and characters but the action had been taken to spectacular levels. So take the minimal aspects and expand, they knew they had the audience captured so they could begin on the deeper levels and subtext in the second film but at the same time that pulls the characters along the same ride.

The Wat's knew how it was going to end, what Neo would have to do...but how was he to get there? He would have to be at a point of understanding and skill to bring him there but what would he have to go through for him to get to that point. It is almost reverse reasoning and I think that is what Reloaded is. They had to provide enough to bring Neo to the source and his journey made up Reloaded. Ok, yes I have to say that the repeat of the agents only upgraded is lame, and for them to have the oracle speak about the vampires and wolves then have them stay only as mentionables is again lame. To be honest that is what I wanted, Neo fighting some dark and scary ass programs that we worried about despite Neo's abilities. I wanted him flying...away from a flock of black winged angels, something, give us anything...and they did, a couple of albino cowboys, lol.
And by the way I wanted nothing more than to see Neo move like and agent but with that sword in his hand, just a blur of slashes and movement where the program he is fighting is being hit so fast he doesn't even know where to bleed. Another thing I wanted SO F***ing badly was to see Neo as a what he was in the beginning. A programmer. Here we have an amazing opportunity with Link for the both of them to collaberate on something, an advantage, maybe in weapons where they could develop a hack so when Morph cuts through the Escalade he cuts half way through the damn thing then the sparks from the cutting set off the explosion, make hand weapons so good it makes guns seem like an overused slingshot.

So now they have Revolutions, which in my opinion is the revolution as in a cycle not a liberation but both applies.
Now we have Neo educated as well as the audience, now he knows where to go but how is he going to get there? The same applies to Smith, how is he to possibly ensure complete control, take over everyone. Zion is a given, write six lines and give it to the pre vis department. I think Neo would have been able to see Bane in the first place as Smith but the Wat's wanted Neo to have a vision unlike anything else and they had to find a way to get him there. Again their style of reverse story engineering shows here. "Let's figure out all of these sweet elements and work our way back on how to get him there."

Instead of allowing the story to shape the paths the characters took, they went against the natural progression in my opinion. Ok onto the ending. I loved the fact that Neo would be a bridge of peace for working for the machines in killing off Smith as to the source's little agent has gotten out of hand. BUT! The whole living amongst each other finale is a total let down and in my opinion impossible. In the end we see the creation of a new matrix and the Architect asking the Oracle how long she would expect this to last. IT WON'T! And it makes all of the efforts for the past two films totally futile. Everyone died so it could happen again? The war ended for it to maybe start again? One of them HAS to lose. What would happen if NO ONE wanted to be in the matrix? Would the machines really be willing to accept certain levels of survival if they had all of their batteries walking around? NO because if they did then the Matrix and this story would have never happened, programs especially who know love would never allow the humans to go free if it means the death of little Sati because they didn't have enough power. Would humans want to stay in the Matrix if they knew it wasn't real? Maybe but probably not enough for the machines to keep their empire. Either the resistance of the humans who know the truth is totally wiped out or we win and become free. Otherwise the revolution just continues into a pointless...revolution which will stem another, then another.

I thought the whole point of Reloaded was for us to understand the power of purpose and that the cycle of this effort which is the matrix has to be stopped for us to survive and live the lives we were meant for.

Then for Revolutions to be the path we have to take to get to those lives and our freedom. And the sacrifices that will be made for it.

If the matrix survives the "choice" will always be an illusion.

Now don't get me wrong, I still LOVED the movie and this is where I get to my point, despite having my own issues with the film, it is not shite, it is not 2 out of five stars, it is brilliant and visually stunning. I still can't believe no one has mentioned the soundtrack yet which is the best yet out of the three. It just seems that the audience has one single problem and oh that's it, I HATE this movie, or they totally ruined it. They didn't, we are all in debt to this trilogy both in production terms and as an audience.

My fingers hurt.

[pibb991]

reloaded and revolutions sucked. anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves

[Presence]

Then go write a better trilogy, we would love to see it.

[tyboogie]

presence
you asked me to UNDERSTAND THE STORY....man i wish i could.. too bad the bros. created more assinine questions witht e convulated concepts than they answered

be careful with teh word ignorance..one could take offense. just because i weas extremely dissapointed with teh STORY doesnt mean im ignorant..it means you are dumb.. *jk)

i appreciate your passion for the films, i think we all want them to shine. i never said the films were shite . i said the story was shite. and i stand behind that comment


the story is the most important part of a films success...thats why the matrix has been geting dissed. it didnt take people to the emotional limit it ahd set them up for in the original film.

i understand your rational of people nitpicking a super huge collaborative project taht hundreds of people worked on and millions of dollars went into it. its a complicated thing to get right i would imagine. but nothing is going to get RIGHT until teh scripts are perfect....tehy must have written them on a coffee break

the last film created more questions than it answeerd. and it wasnt good open ended questions like " what will happen with humankinds dependency on machines" it was more of questions like "what the fuck was that"? we never understood why smith was a problem for the matrix...we never understood why neo could merge between the two worlds, we never understood the outcome of the relationships bnetween teh machines and the humans, the list goes on and on

they should have really taken their time to do teh sequels justicce with teh storiy...im sure the studio put alot of pressure on tehm to deliver a couple sequels quickly....but whatever teh case the sequels were NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THE ORIGINAL FILM....thats it..im drunk and its bedtime

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[oglzogl]

.. pibb991 is not a screenwriter (or maybe you are. What do I know? ;) ). Just because somebody gives an opinion about something doesnt mean they think they could do it better. It just means they can see the flaws.

With all due respect, the only thing I owe the Warchowski (sp?) brothers is money for my ticket. And the success or failure of their Matrix franchise will be determined by the people who go to see the movie (hey, that includes me).

Am I stunned by some of the visuals that were introduced? You bet! Do I appreciate the skill it took to create those? Without a doubt! But that doesn't mean that I should fawn all over those two chaps and not call it like I see it.. just because they were able to make a movie that had (cool as hell!) visuals. A movie that was made possible by (because it was funded by) their audience.

Listen, I admire any creative person who actually does something with their vision. So, on some level I respect what the brothers have accomplished. Still, I can't help but feeling like the bros started telling me a story, gave me characters and a world that I cared about and painted pretty pictures in my head.. then, as they concluded their story, they sidetracked me with characters that were distracting and never developed, took me out of a world I loved, and didn't resolve anything when it was done.

Ahh well, blah.. blah.. blah.

[nil]

I think the wahowskis lost something of their vision for the last film. Everything was confused and unclear and huge bits of the plot were left unexplained, especially the stuff that happened early on with Smith leaving the matrix and Neo plugging in without being plugged in or whatever happened (case and point, wtf was that even about? that whole plotline was unneeded). The dialogue was crap. The acting was pitiful, one dimensional and boring. I felt more emotion during the trailers (LOTR: The Return of The King and The Last Samurai) than during the entire feature. I didnt feel anything when Trinity died. There wasnt even any point to her death. It didnt motivate Neo, it didnt make me sad, it didnt do anything.

However, I did enjoy the film. The visuals were (for the most part) great, and they were certainly better than in Reloaded. Hugo Weaving was awesome. The best scene in the entire movie was when Neo and Trinity got above the clouds and saw the blue sky. That was great. The huge action sequence underground was cool too. The APU's rocked my little world. Overall, I basically felt a little let down, which I'm sure many people did. If we are to judge Revolutions by the standard that was set by The Matrix, then most people would be let down. There is more to say, but just I cant be bothered right now.

[Jeff Gran]

I think it's funny that dumb people said the same thing about the first matrix when it came out. I had a friend tell me "don't go see it, you wouldn't understand it, it doesn't make any sense". Of course, it did make sense. Then we all watched it over and over again and it made more and more sense, but left things unanswered. Then people saw the second, and the Architect used big words, and Morpheus thought he was the king of the world and got a little bit overly dramatic, and everyone hated it because it "didn't make sense." Revolutions kicked ass. The story closes with Neo serving his purpose, balancing the equation. Smith was going to take over every human in the matrix and destroy it all, because he wanted to die, once his purpose was served. He said it in the first movie. Is that really hard to understand? The entire plotline was a fractal. Did anyone else notice all the fractals in Revolutions? We will probably see Neo again when the cycle comes back around again. Like the architect said in the Reloaded. A fractal is where you plug the answer of a function back in to the original function, to infinity. That's what's going on here. It's funny how some people complain that it was a happy ending, some complain that it was open-ended, some that it wasn't. If you didn't feel sad when trinity died, it means you weren't there to feel sad. You were there to disbelieve. There's a concept in this industry called "suspension of disbelief". I suggest all you haters look into it. To summarize: if you don't think the trilogy made sense, watch it all again (including the scenes from the game) and THINK while you watch.

[bRyaN]

Jeff.... well done....

LOTR and the Matrix Trilogies are 2 of the greatest trilogies to come out in a long long time...
They are the Star Wars(Ep 4 5 6) of my generation...

[oglzogl]

LOL.. I dont see how anyone could miss these points you make Jeff. They beat you over the head with them at every turn. Yup, Neo was a fractal.. the destiny of the One is to keep the Matrix running smoothly (at least until their MMORPG comes out ;) gotta keep the Matrix alive for that! Got games to sell!).

Unfortunately, I wanted something more than that from the One.. like maybe he might work against the Matrix. Turns out he is there to keep it stable. Dosnt mean I am a hater. I mean I am.. meh

[Sammy]

I like it when people complain about wanting a GOOD story and then go to see/read Lord of the Rings.

I didn't know that long walks interupted by feasts made for "GOOD" story.

It's perfectly fine to enjoy something because of characters, and even special effects.

I never went into ANY Matrix expecting a good story, the whole trillogy is filled with as much crappy story and plot-holes as your average comic or video-game.

I went to see humans and robots beat the crap outa' eachother, they did a great job of it, and that's all the reason I need to enjoy it.

[Blackhawk]

I was just disappointed in the fact that they had the first movie, which layed down an incredible base to build a great story on. They could have easily expanded the storyline further, but instead they degenerated down into your basic run-of-the-mill action movies. Introducing characters with no background, cutting them out, it just felt too rushed and shattered to me. I still enjoyed the movies, it was definitely worth my money, but they could have easily done a better job. That's my only complaint.

[Carnifex]

so...i saw it yesterday night...my thoughts on it:
1)the thing with the trainman and the french man was completely useless.and senseless too.if it was for me,they could have just said he was in a comatose condition because he overstrained.
2)the blowoff for me was certainly the battle against the machines outside the matrix.it was very tensing and the fights couldn't have been better.just wow.
3)the final fight neo against smith was atleast to say,disappointing.compared with the dock scene it was crap.the slow-motion effects were totally out of place and made the whole thing look idiotic.i felt slightly reminded of dragon ball z(as horrible this is for me to say),it was way too comic-like.if they had made it like the kung-fu scene in the first movie-...now that would have been an experience.
4)the storyline was somewhat weak in comparison to the first movei(yeah that's easy for me to say,but just look again at the first one and how it was done).trinity's death didn't move me in any way...if they had made it somewhere where you really think "now they've done this alltogether and then she dies!",then it would've been perfect.
5)the end was idiotic.somehow.that *peace* won't last longer than maybe two hours.also it left so many questions open that they could easily make a fourth movie too.

yeah...i think that's all.it's interesting that even the machines' "god" uses a human face to communicate.
oh,and for good storylines along with nice scenes-watch the animatrix episodes "the second renaissance".that's hardcore.:)

[nil]

Jeff Gran: i am neither "dumb" nor a "hater". i went into the movie with few expectations as i had intentionally avoided the hype and bullshit surrounding it. the fact is, i liked first, second and third movie but it did not live up to all it could have been. perhaps you do not realise that people are allowed to have opinions and to express them without having their intelligence insulted. just because you beleive something different to me does not a) make me wrong, or b) make me "dumb". seriously, grow up. stop being such a "hater"

[Marcatili]

Hey guys
I too have my gripes about the Matrix, but I still enjoyed both Reloaded and Revolutions.

Earlier in this discussion someone said that as someone studying filmmaking we couldn't understand how difficult it would have been to make this film...

well,
I actually had the privelage to be involved in the making of Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions. I was only a body double (glorified extra) but as someone who loves films and has studied film-making it was a great experience...
I'll never have the same experience watching *ANY* other film as watching Reloaded and Revolutions, of which I was in both...I have never been as excited about any film as when I watched Reloaded for the first time...I think i crushed my girlfriend's hand i was so excited!

I haven't been able to talk about this because of contractual obligations but I'd love to share a couple of on-set stories if anyone is interested...

[jelanen]

Summary of the movie:

"We have cg graphics...."

brief pause...

"Did I mention we had cg graphics?"

another minute passes...

"We will dazzle you with our cg graphics...."

Continue for a long while, one minute story break and repeat.

Mind you, the cg graphics were impressive just wished the movie wasn't so swallow.

BTW the video game sucked. I don't know why anyone gets it. The lighting in it is terrible, I kept dying due to not seeing the gaps were to jump (highest brightness, lights off in room to prevent glare, still happened..was on ps2). Story was lame too, it wasnt the interactive bit that was promised. I liked the first one the best but all and all, I thought it could have been a two parter that was excellent then a so-so trilogy due to... lack of story as it proceed due to running out of material.

/rant

[wood]

Everybody is just bitching cause the first movie had it all and no other movie in recent history(except possibly the lotr movies) can compare with matrix 1, so if matrix 1 had just been, "pretty good" people would have liked the 2nd two more, but THe Matrix was just a hard act to follow, just be thankfull George Lucas didn't do the last two. The trilogy, imho, was not dissapointing, not perfect, but not dissapointing and thats all i ever asked for.

p.s., I think they are making a mmorpg/action game based on the story after the matrix, i got a little info at E3, and I believe that it implies that after this movie, the humans get the choice to stay in the matrix or leave it.

[jelanen]

Lucky, I would *love* to go to E3 more than anything. :p Anyways, some info has been released about the Matrix online and Warner Brothers has launched the webpage about it. http://thematrixonline.warnerbros.com/

Personally, not too interested in the online game due to how terrible enter the matrix was. (poor lighting, extremely poor lighting and buggy, not the amazing storyline promised, et al)

[N D Hill]

You guys who are getting all bent out of shape and offended by people expressing their oppinions are really acting a little ridiculous. You don't have to agree with us as we don't have to agree with you. Also, according to the logic that you're using and applying it to what we actually do here, every piece of artwork we create should be in the "oohs and ahs" section. "I worked hard on a piece. You didn't. Therefore what right to you have to form an oppinion about it that may contain a negative aspect?" If I were one of the Wachowski brothers, I'd want any word of feedback from a credable source I could get, even the negative.

[stalecracker]

I liked it. I ate popcorn and peanut M&M's witha big ass juicy coke. No one talked and I enjoyed my 2+ hours.

BTW- EVERYone will NEVER like some single THING.

Me?
I dug the first one. Loved the second one and totally dug the third.

But, then, I hated episode 2 and thought episode 1 KICKED ass.

So... figure that one out.

BTW- on a side note... in Episode 2, was I the ONLY one who thought the Yoda/Tyrannus "showdown" was goofy as hell?

AND if a column was gonna crush your friends... would you stop the massively heavy beam? or slide the 2 "light as a feather in comparison" Jedis out of the way?

ALSO- wait... this is about the Matrix... sorry.

[sic1]

Originally posted by stalecracker
AND if a column was gonna crush your friends... would you stop the massively heavy beam? or slide the 2 "light as a feather in comparison" Jedis out of the way?


If there was a hot chick watching the whole thing, I'd stop teh heavy beam, just to impress her. Then I'd ask her to the Cantina afterwards. :chug:

[Grooveholmes]

Originally posted by MrSmith
when they change the name to MATIX:REFUNDED and give me my money back for seeing reloaded, i might go see this crap.

LMAO, Matrix Melee=Glorified patty-cake