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August 4th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Hellos, in here ill teach some people some stuff that i have learned until now. This thread is mainly aimed at begginers in art.
You can join if you want.
Since you told me you wanted to learn anatomy, ill tell you that this requires to learn many aspects, youll have to learn all of them in order to draw anatomy from imagination. This are proportions, bones structure, muscles, movement (so that it doesnt look stiff), perspective (for foreshortening and structure), light and shade and maybe some other things.
Youll learn to make good anatomy if you focus on very basics and simple things and do them until you learn them well, that way you wont have to worry about all this things i mentioned above all at once, this is important to have in mind because you can get confused and frustrated when you try to learn many things at once, so its better to start learning very specific things and advance from that.
Ok, i dont want to overwelm you so ill just ask you to do a stick figure in whatever action you want, dont worry about muscles or the face, just make sure its moving and its has the right proportions. This excersize is to make you memorize proportions and to get you used to think in movements and weights. So, remember those things when you draw, focus on those most of all.
Try imitating the proportions of the loomis books, i see that you did some excersizes from those books in your sketchbook.
Also have in mind the weight of the body, try doing a pose yourself, and pay attention to where is your weight and how are you in equilibrium, try to convey that in your drawing.
To make this easier for you, follow this steps:
1) Make thumbnails of the pose, make them very small and as many as you want until you find one that interest you. This technique is good to find ideas fast, by not worrying too much in the quality of the drawing.
2) After you chose a pose, draw a stick figure but bigger, youll use this stick figure as a guide to place the final drawing. Make sure that the figure shows weight, movement and has the correct proportions, dont worry about details, just make it a stick figure. If you do this, you wont have to worry about correcting the weight when you finish the drawing, and its easier to erase since its just a stick figure with no details.
3) After you got a stick figures that seems to have weight, movement and right proportions, then add the shapes of the limbs, chest, legs, head, and so on. Dont worry if it doesnt come extremely good looking, remember that everyone has their limits, specially when one is starting in art, youll get better if you do your best each time you draw.
Remeber to sharpen your pencil at all times, draw light at first, dont press your pencil too much until you are at the ending stage, erase often.
Ill correct it when you show it to me. Good luck.
August 5th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Hi, Thank you, I know the learning in Anatomy touch a lot of different topic but I a guy who look for the excellence. So I made the first assignment, I have a lot of trouble to thinking in volume or shape I believe the result is not very coool I found so I will try to do another one. I hope this is what u asking for ^^
August 5th, 2008, 05:54 PM
Well done Abichai, dont worry if it doesnt look good, you are just begining so have that allways in mind, you are in a learning process to drawing very well, but since you are starting you are not there yet, just keep it going, and keep learning and having fun, thats important because if you bring yourself down, if you demoralize yourself, you wont have the energy or motivation to keep learning or drawing, so make sure you are having fun, keep your motivation up allways and dont get discouraged for a failure, youll only get better if you keep learning.
So, here are a few things i corrected, not so much so i dont overwelm you. The purpose of this is so that you can inmediately change what you did before, so apply this few things to you upcoming drawings and youll draw better.
The lines in green are what you did well, keep it up, the lines in red are corrections.
You can see that at the top, that a vertical line, compared to a curved one, looks pretty stiff, since your figure is too vertical it also looks stiff, so try making a curve first, and then placing the limbs there to make it look more dynamic. The good thing about a completely vertical line is that it can look very solid and balanced, but if you are looking for movement then you are looking for a little less that solidity and balance.
For example, what is the action of the figure you drawn?, is the figure spining?, advancing?, you should think on the kind of action that the figure did before this moment that you drew and the next moment, since a drawing is like an picture of a moment in time.
Regarding proportions, try making a 8 headed figure next time, i find its easier.
Make hands bigger, the propotion of a hand is almost as big as the head in its height.
The line of the rib cage, where the stomach begins, is at 2 heads and 1/3 of a head.
The navel is at the third head.
The crotch is positioned on the fourth head counting from the top.
The legs are 4 heads in lenght. Each bone of the leg is 2 heads.
The lenght of the feet is as long as a half of the lower leg.
This are just aproximations. Proportions change from person to person and also they are explained in detail in loomis books (for better reference).
Heres a simplified version of the figure, memorize the proportions in the line of the left.
This is how you should go at it, and heres a rule that applies to everything else:
"Go from the generals to the details, from big to small"
Thats what my teaches allways says, and it really works to make posible your work, by making it simpler to understand.
So, draw a vertical line, make the 8 divisions of the head, the second and third heads are divided in three equal parts, and then follow the indications of the drawing.
Foreshortening is a little bit hard (well see that in the future), so try making a less 3d image, but im movement, and just make it a stick figure like this ones, just make sure you memorize the proportions.
Since this excersize is easier, make 3 stick figures in movement, like this ones:
August 6th, 2008, 04:57 PM
Well, I see I do another sheet with 3 stick figures. The second have the leg too long, 'nd the last is very difficult to take something good ^^ no I see some progress but what I don't understand is how i can keep the proportions with subject which 're not in an vertical line, Am I do an vertical line 'nd after use some circle to find the place like I do with the last stick, or this is another method?
I believe there is some progress, and I will do another sheet tomorrow ^^
August 6th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Hi well done, i see progress too, keep it up, with each practice correct your mistakes and youll get better fast.
Here are some critiques, then ill teach you some new stuff:
Your lines are too scratchy, to do them cleaner dont expect them to come out allright the first time you draw them, instead get used to work harder on your lines in steps so they come out looking really good. The steps are this: first use the pencil very very lightly to use it as guide for the final line, wich will be stronger and blacker. Do it very slow, take your time so you can do a good job. Also, you dont need to do it in one movement of your hand, you can make as many movement as necesary but make sure that the end result looks like a line made with one stroke, do this by starting in the end point of the line to continue the flow of it. Erase a lot. Make sure you got your eraser at hand and correct all your mistakes as soon as you can, dont press the pencil until your guides are prefectly placed. When you are sure of your guides, then and only then place the final line, and if you make any mistake, erase the mistake, and if you need guides do them again.
If you fell your arm is weak controling your lines, i recomend working vertically (at 90 degrees) to train your muscles of your arm, work vertically as much as you can until it hurts (it can hurt a lot the first time, but then your muscles get used and it doesnt hurt anymore), then resume work.
Ok, you still have some mistakes in the proportions, you can work on that yourself, each time you draw a part of a figure, control if its in the right proportions, control and correct, control and erase, thats how you memorize proportions.
A little help: make sure to correct the pacement of the hand (see image of the middle) and to make the chest bigger. The hip width is almost the width of the chest.
You can see in the example i drew for you that in the figure of the left its center line is inclined too much to the right, meaning that visualy it seems to be about to fall, its balance is switched to the right, see the drawing of the middle, its from loomis book, its center line is at 90 degrees, its balanced. Thats why its usefull to start with one very simple lines at first when you are about to start drawing your figure, you can see if the lines is not at 90 degrees and correct it very easely, but if you allready have all your limbs placed and you realize you need to correct the balance, then thats not nice :). So allways, begin with a very simple line to determine the balance and movement. This will be a a guide to place the limbs, do it very lightly so you can erase it later.
See the example of the middle, you can see that not any line is perfectly straight. By having slightly curved lines you can give the sense of something "alive", try doing this on the future.
How to measure proportions wich are not on a vertical line:
Just make sure that you are training your eyes because you should be able to measure it only by using your eyes in the future. Try measuring it with your eyes only by using your imagination, imagine the shape of the head and in your imagination place it in the paper, then draw where it seems to fit. Then you can control and correct it, but make sure its just a control, and not a method to measure, otherwise this excersize will not train your eye or your imagination.
To the right side of the drawing i made, its an introduction to perspective.
We add depth in a drawing by using visual "techniques" that give the impression of depth, heres an intro to a few of this techniques:
If you draw a box in perspective, you can draw anything inside it, the box will be the Structure to build your object, the object can be a head, a chest, a person or whatever you want. This allows you to give the object a sense of volume and depth.
You first draw your box by making one side (point 1) the moving this same side in front of it, and drawing lines that connect their sides, then you draw the silouette on the faces of the box, and then you join it all together, and thats it.
A vanishing point is the point where lines vanish :). This point is placed in the horizon line, this line is an imitation of a horizon.
You can see in the example that the lines of some sides of the box vanish in this vanishing point. Ther other lines of the sides of the box can go up and down and never meet a vanishing point.
Also, pay attention to the lines of the floor, imagine that there are lines paralel to the horizon on the floor, the first division of this lines will be bigger because they are closer to you, and as they go into the horizon they will become shorter and shorter until they become a single line, touching the horizon. This gives the impression of depth.
The other technique to give the impression of depth is to draw the things closer to you BIGGER, and the things that are away from you smaller, this seems too simple but it work very well.
Wow, i wrote a lot :), i hope thats not too much, tell me if you have any doubts.
I want to give you two excersize now.
1) Do three stick figures, make them perfect now, take your time with the lines, remember to start with one simple line, and correct them as many times as necesary.
2) Draw one box in perspective, and do a chest inside it like in the example.
I hope that helps you, keep it up and you will get better, good luck!. :assspank:
August 7th, 2008, 04:59 PM
Well this is the work of today. I see progress in the stick, I'm feeling me better. However, like u can see with the box, I have a lot of problems with the shape of things I believe like the chest.
I hope my feeling is right ^^
August 7th, 2008, 06:27 PM
EXCELLENT!, great job!. Loot at those proportions!, look at those clean lines!, you are really learning, congratulations!. Remember that correcting your mistakes is the key, thats the way to get your mind used to make things right, after a while your brain will just get used to it and you wont need to thing about it anymore.
Ok, heres a very little correction of your chest, i feel you need to practice other things in order to make an object inside of a box.
You see in the drawing in did for you that in the box of the left, the smaller ones where is says "horizon", i enlarged the lines that make the edges of the box so that you can see something, the lines in red are the ones that are wrong, the two lines that go to the right are wrong because they are paralel to each other, they should aim toward a common vanishing point wich is located in the horizon. The other red lines with go to the bottom are better because they seem to get closer to a vanishing point as they get away from the box, but the problem is that they should go to the horizon, only vertical planes have their vanishing points below or above the horizon line.
The box to the right of this one corrects this mistakes, you can see that the green lines that go to the left and to the top are slightly indicating that they will meet far away, in the horizon. Try to remember this allways.
You can see in the green example in the left bottom corner that vanishing points can be drawn as a "V", its a simple way to remember how to do perspective lines. So in the example you would have 3 "V", one for the depth, wich is a vanishing point that is not show in the example, another one for the height, wich is a vanishing point that is below the horizon line as i told you before, and another vanishing point to the right wich is for the width of the box.
Heres a new excersize:
1- In the drawing you see 3 numbers, this are excersizes that increase in dificulty so, do them in order, and do them taking your time, correct with your eraser.
The first part is making one plane with only one vanishing point, but here is the interesting part, draw one very simple shape on the plane, as if it where a piece of paper, and make to have in mind the inclination and angle of the paper so the drawing looks that is drawn ON the paper, this is the purpose of this excerise, to train your mind to imagine planes in different angles and inclinations, and not only planes but silouettes. So, concentrate on this.
2- Add another vanishing point, and draw a different shape in this paper.
3- Add even another vanishing point. This two planes will have the same shape.
Since its easy to make this drawing, i want you to make 10 drawing of each of this 3 excersizes.
Ok, thats it, if you have any questions go ahead and asks, keep up with the good work! you are doing great!.
August 8th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Thanks ^^ that's help me to know there is some progress
so this is my work of today I darker the image to see a little the guidelines and the vanishing points.
I hope I understand the exercise correctly ;D
August 8th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Good work, but you can do better regarding the lines, i see that you did not correct some mistakes that you could have corrected, try to excersize your eye in spoting mistakes and imperfections and correcting them, thats part of beign a good profesional.
Ok, you understood well the excersize, well done. You can see from the excersizes that those planes that have more than 1 vanishing point look very distorted, they dont look like perfect squares, to correct this you must set apart the vanishing points far from the object, i recommend you to experiment a lot with this, try placing them far apart of the object and very close, youll notice the difference.
In the example i drew for you, you can see in the left how the position of the vanishing points can affect the realism of the box. But the best way to learn this is to experiment a lot.
Here is a new excersize: Try drawing 20 smal boxes in 3d, varying the vanishing points position and distance.
On the right part of the drawing, on point 1, you can see how a shape can be placed in different angles, now that you can draw planes in different angles you can make this excersize. So, make a plane and draw division lines inside of it, this will help you to place the silouete inside of the plane. Make 10 of this planes with a simple silouete inside it. The objective of this is to train your eye and mind to think in how a silouete is distorted according to its angle.
Below this drawings, point 2, you can see how to place a circle on a plane, you can use this circle to draw a cilinder, just by making two planes with a circle inside them and drawing lines to join the corners, you can see this better in the drawing. This principle is used to draw any shape you want, as you can see in the drawing next to the cilinder, you just make planes with drawing in them and you can build an object with this, including heads, cars, any type of object. As an excersize, draw 5 3d objects using this method.
This excersizes are to increase your skills to draw limbs, heads, chest and to make them seem 3d.
I have a few tips to give you, some excersizes that you can do anytime and anywhere to excersize your mind and your visual skills.
Try to guess the angle of a plane in an object. For example, if there is a wall that you can see, can you guess at what angle is?, if you see a small object you can also guess all its angles by looking at it, it helps to imagine that you reach out with your hand and touch its surface. This way you train your eye to see angles of planes in the objects.
Also, close your eyes and imagine an object, it can be an apple, now in your imagination try to see its colors, how heavy it is?, try touching it with your hand, how does it feel?, what shape does it have?. Start with simple objects, then move to more complex ones, imagine a box, imagine yourself in the beach, or in the forest, and so on. This excersize is to train your imagination, and your capacity to see objects as if they were real.
I got that excersize from here:
I hope that helps you, good luck, and keep it up.
August 9th, 2008, 05:36 PM
OK tks I will do it better 'nd upgrade my skills because I want to be excellent ^^
So this is the work of today, I'm felling better with all the shape 'nd perspective on this so I hope this is not just a feeling ^^
In the first sheet I test the twisting of the box with the distance of the Vanishing Point 'nd the second is the two others assignment
August 9th, 2008, 09:50 PM
Im impressed by how well you are doing the excersizes, WELL DONE! :anime:
Now that you have learned these perspective principles, i want to go back to anatomy, well learn how to make a 3d figure.
First a little correction, i still see some lines that should be erased, i suposse this is because you could not erase them because you pressed the pencil too much, allways remember to draw very lightly, get used to see very thin and light lines at first when you draw, remember that you must do a drawing in steps, dont expect it to come out good looking at once, so you allways must give yourself some guidelines to help yourself end with a good ilustration, this is not only to be used with perspective lines, but with anything eelse too, even when painting with colors, you allways need some kind of guides. So, get used to seeing very thin and light lines when you start your drawing, correct them as necesary, check for errors when you think you are finished, checking for errors and mistakes is part of making a good drawing, correct when necesary and redo the guides if necesary, then when there is nothing else to correct you can draw stronger and blacker lines on top.
In the drawing i made for you, point B., you can see the cilinder has some weird distortion. I drawn an eye to represent the eye of the viewer, this is how the box in wich the cilinder is looks like from above, whenever you make a box to place something inside it, you must make sure that the planes have a common vanishing point, see the drawing at the top to understand this better, you will see that this box has no distorion because its coressponing planes have a common vanshing point.
Ok, enough corrections for today, lets see some new stuff. :asspat:
In points A. you can see how to consctruct a circle in detail, this info will well you draw better circles.
If you draw diagonal lines that join the corners this lines can serve you as a guide to help you see better where to place the line of the circle.
You can also see that you can make an oval, with 4 different circles, two big ones and two small ones. The orange oval wich is in perspective fits perfectly in intersection of the circles to its left. Remember this as a visual guide to make ovals, remember that depending on the perspective, the oval is made by two long lines, wich are part of two big circles, and two smaller lines, wich are part of smaller circles.
Now for the excersize:
1- I want you to draw 5 3d figures like in the point D in the example i did for you, and 5 like point C (10 in total). In point D to the left and bottom you can see the first steps, first draw the perspective lines, then make sure you have the proportion lines, then just draw the different limbs, and dont forget to draw the ovals in its correct perspective.
Use this book pages to study and do these excersizes:
http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=944 (just concentrate on the first line of drawings, not the rest because its too complex, for now)
http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=900 (dont focus on the details for now, just the proportions and volume)
I hope that helps you, keep it up, you are progressing very fast!. :anime:
August 10th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Tks ^^ I'm trying to give the better of me with the time I have to it.
So I do the exercise the first sheet is the first assignment that I don't understant I believe but u will tell me if It's wrong. I try to move the skeleton so I make different view of the assignment. The worst is the rightest.
On the second sheet I try to do the second exercise and ....oooooo ^^ It was a little difficult, I see a lot of mistake in my drawing but I can find how to resolve this. The first skeleton I do is the right, 'nd after I done the left. However a good point is when I do the left I fell me better with the exercise of moving my point of view of the subject even if when I see the result I'm a little disappointed because It's a little not nice ^^
The good point is I do this even if there are some mystakes because there is some week ago I'm not sure I can do this
August 10th, 2008, 06:32 PM
All right!, you did a good job, keep doing like that.
As you say the first excesize is not what i had in mind, but its ok, no problem. What i wanted was two types of figures, the ones you did on the second sheet where ok, and i also wanted those figures that are on the last example i drew for you wich are point D at the right.
Do you see the ovals wich are on the right figures in the last example i did for you?, well, they are contructed with planes wich are paralell to the floor, like i explained in that same example in point A. The first step to do the figures on the right, wich is point D, is to draw the proportions first like you did on your first sheet, and then add planes that are paralel to the floor AND build ovals on this planes, not on the vertical plane, that way you can build the limbs and is the example links i gave for you in my last post.
Ill try to give you a step by step so that you can do the excersize again, try doing 5 of each type of figure.
Step 1: Draw a horizon line
Step 2: Chose where the figure will stand
Step 3: Draw the lines to the vanshing point that limit the height, also draw the vertical lines that limit the width of the figure and its center.
Step 4: Now using the same vanishing point draw the 8 guide divisions to build the proportions
Step 5: Draw any extra guideline to build proportions
Step 6: Once you have all your proportions ready, draw planes paralel to the floor wich are to be used for the circles of the limbs of the legs, chest, arms, etc. Use the same vanishing point that you drew at first.
Step 7: Once you have your ovals finished you can draw the rest of the volumes of the limbs, chest, etc.
A tip: try using an H pencil for the light lines, and HB or B to the blacker lines, allways sharpen your pencil, this will make your job better looking.
I hope that helps, keep it up! :asspat: and dont be disapointed, have patience, take one step at a time, remember that you are just begining to learn the basics, keep it up like this and in a couple of weeks youll learn a lot and youll be proud of yourself! :D
August 11th, 2008, 03:53 PM
So I try to do better I hope my first sheet is what u're expected for.... I fell some difficulties at the first but it's going better with the second even if there is some mistakes. the second sheet is the skeleton.
In all the exercise I try to use your advice 'nd hope this carry better exercise ^^
Tks for the assignment 'nd ur advice it's help me to have guideline to continue to rise 'nd become an adult....a child in the drawing world...ok a baby XD But growing ^^
August 11th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Well done!, as i allways say to you, you must keep up that good work that you do to get better with every time, because you are getting better, little by little, just compare your old work with the new ones and youll be able to identify what is better in terms of perspective, line quality, proportions, etc, good job!.
Now i want to encourage you to develop a deeper sense of correcting your own work, this will be esential for you to allways learn, even if you dont have anyone to give you guidelines or correct your work or give you critiques, utlimately you and you alone should be more than able to spot and correct your own work. Just by comparing specific things you can correc them: what is wrong in here?, the perspective is wrong, or is it the proportions?, the lines of the vanishing points should be lower?, this line should be a little more to the right?, and so on, you must evaluate your own work and correct it, and repeat the process if necesary.
For a better example of what i could draw for you, heres the tutorial of a very good artist, i want you to focus on the last part of the line art section:
See the steps he takes, he makes guidelines first, and after that he draws on top of that, but not only that, but as he draw he corrects, he changes the shape of the legs, the position of the arms, he fixes very much to ensure the end work is well worth the effort.
You could still correct the perspective on those figures, you can do this very easely in the early stages, where there is only proportion lines.
New excersize: Draw many figures from your own imagination, in 3d, dont copy, just use your imagination. Remember the proportions, and take a deeper look at the line art tutorial i posted above, remember the "swooshy lines". And dont worry, dont expect perfection or an incredible drawing just now, that will come for later for when you have learned a lot more.
Keep it up! :anime:
August 13th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Hi so today I work lot even if I posted just 1 sheet ^^ So I do 3 poses that I try to thinking.
The 1 is a skeleton which is lay, we can imagine he's on his bed or in front of the TV.
The 2 is a skeleton who make a shoot of Handball because I like this sport ^^ But I fell some problems to show that his left arm is backer than is body.
The 3 is a man who fell on the knees
I hope it's good, I fell me more self-confident soo I hope it's real ^^
August 13th, 2008, 03:33 PM
GOOD JOB!, now you can do skeletons in a very nice perspective, and you can also correct your work very well, keep doing as you do, allways finding ways to get better at your work.
Just look at what you have done, remember how did you draw the stick figures a few days ago?, now look at the last one!, great improvement!, keep it up, thats great!.
Now i want you to copy some figures, but do it only a few times, i dont want you to get used to copying stuff to learn.
Copy this figures:
1) http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=911 (imitate this ones)
2) http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=910 (use this just as a reference to learn how to draw better chests, heads and legs)
Pay special attention to the head, the jaw part because i see you are having problems there.
Also, make an effort to imitate the lines, fluid lines. As an excersize to do fluid lines, grab an empty sheet and do "swooshy" lines without worrying too much on the outcome, just loosen up your hand and arm and do curved lines of all shapes and directions, try different pressures in a line, try different speeds, try different shapes, try doing C shape lines, try doing S shapes lines, and invent your own shapes, this excersize is to loosen your hand to be able to make nice curved lines.
Make the figures bigger too, i want you to double the size of the figures you did in the last try.
Rather that copy those figures, i want you to imitate them only. Just capture the same movement, looking at them once, dont try to copy the exact same angles of lines, but draw a figure in the same movement of limbs, chest, head, legs and head. Then compare your drawing with the figure you wanted to imitate and do another one, imitate the same pose but correct the mistakes you did in regards to 3d volume and perspective and also balance.
Good luck!, you are doing really good!. :mod: :anime: :asspat:
August 14th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Hi thanks ^^
So I try to imitate 2 figure of the pages that you give me. I believe that if u can recognize from wich figure it taken it's almost a good start. The rigtest figure I understand why they don't look like the other in the beahvior if we can say it's his right foot which isn't good. I believe the first is good with some error.
Moreover, with the "smooshy" line I fell not a problem with do it but with my pen I believe that I put too pressure wich make some noise, or some I don't know how this call it in english maybe you see what I want to say
Anyway see you next ^^
August 14th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Good job, its a nice, clean work what you have done, keep at it :)
Im having difficulty to understand you, sorry for that, but try this, use a soft pencil, a "B" pencil, that way you can vary from light lines to very dark lines with one pencil. Did you do the lines excersize i gave you before?. Can you notice that in Loomis figure drawings there is a line width variation?, try to imitate that.
Now do figures from your imagination, dont copy, and ill correct them and advance from there.
Keep it up!.
August 15th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Hi so I try to change totaly my point of view 'nd to work the back of figure...'nd ooooooooo It was very hard, you can see it on the drawing ^^ So The left is a prisonner who is dragged in an another direction in wich he's walking. And the right is a guy who jump to hide him from shoot gun.
Well I hope this is not soo bad I believe ^^ But I'm not discourage 'nd I will continue to work hard 'nd better XD
August 15th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Its a good thing that you challenged yourself into changing perspective, thats the way to tackle and learn new stuff, good for your, that way you can see what things you do badly, and after that find ways to correct them.
I made some drawings for you, i hope its not too much.
First, the thing that caught my attention is that your figures could be more dinamic, their legs are too straight, they are not bended, try bending them so that they seem to be moving. Straight lines convey the idea of stiffness, so be carefull when you use them in dinamic poses.
I draw some stick figures to exemplify this, see that you can also bend the column, neck, try many things.
Also, its important to first use your imagination, first see in your mind as if it where a movie, and see the actor the the movement, observe well what limbs is he moving, and if the movement does seem too natural then just switch the movement, change angles of camera, change anything you can to explore new ideas and new actions. After you get the right movement, and when it looks natural in your mind, then you can procceed to draw it.
The other corrections are self clarifying i think.
One more thing, try making more fluid lines. In the lower right corner there are some examples on how "intensely fluid" you can make a line, from left to right you can see that a line can be not fluid, subtly fluid, little fluid, normally fluid, very fluid, and extremely fluid, sort of. Try doing your lines not so sublty fluid, but more fluid.
Try analizing how Loomis makes lines, you can see that in his stick figures he does not make a line appear as if it where just one stroke. By practicing this lines youll gain more control and will also start to see the posibilites that lines offer.
New Excersize: make even more of this figures with the changes i shown you. Make the chest bigger, correc the other mistakes. Use a soft pencil if possible (a B pencil or softer, what are you using? H? HB?), so that you can get different line widths. First do very simple figures like the ones i did in the bottom left corner, after you experiment a lot with this you can do the bigger action figure.
And one more thing, for this excersize i want YOU to tell me whats wrong, exaclty, say things like "The chest is too wide", and tell me what proportions need to get better, and what shapes dont look as they should, this is important, draw it in the paper if posible.
I hope that helps, keep it up!, keep with that determination and youll go faaaaaar :D :mod:
August 16th, 2008, 04:07 PM
Hi so I try to do more dynamic figure 'nd I realize that I feel really difficult to do this. So the sheet I post is just a sheet of trying to found a nice dynamic pose. I use a 2H to do all the step of drawing a figure and at the end I use a 2B/3B to ink it.
August 16th, 2008, 08:48 PM
All right then, heres a new excersize so that you get used to this sort of things:
The site below is a site that shows you human poses, choose to do 10 seconds poses to work very fast, your objective is to capture the pose and movement with the fewest lines posible, so dont concentrate on details, do not use the eraser, use your B pencil and try changing the pressure while you do the strokes, also dont forget to stay away from straight lines, but maken them curvy, with movement.
I want you to do 14350684 of them :)
Good luck, i hope that helps.
August 18th, 2008, 01:47 PM
Hi so I do the exercize on poses ^^ And after the 1st sheet I've become to feel me better 'nd I do it pretty good I believe my biggest problems is I don't know exactly how to show that this is in the top, or in a side with basic shape but I believe we can see it no?
August 18th, 2008, 08:13 PM
God job, to make it look like its viewed from the bottom or the top you must have in mind the horizon line and the basic perspective concept you learned early, but lets review some of that now. Some poses are viewed from a very weird angle, so when you draw something dont choose over complex camer angles, but choose a view that looks good.
Next excersize is to draw many figures from different perspective angles and different motions, dont use the eraser, use your B pencil to draw each line, but when you are about to draw a line, think carefully the proportions, try to carefully plan where the line beging and where it ends, and see if the proportions are correct even before placing the pencil on the paper, when you think the perspective is correct, plan the shape of the line, do it all on your head before you draw it on paper.
Keep up the good work, after this we will begin with the basic shape of the body with muscles.
August 19th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Hi I try to change my perspective 'nd the result is disastrous I fell like a freezing to change my point of view 'nd this disapointing me because I don't know realy what is the probleme is like all my figure where with the same point of view.
So there is what I do today 'nd also my frustation ^^ But I will find what is the freeze 'nd break it down lol
Good day ^^
August 19th, 2008, 04:57 PM
Dont worry, everything can be learned, and what you can learn from this attempt is that whenever you try to do something you dont know how to do, then you feel frustrated, so allways try to learn things first and then attempt to do it, but not before, we only can do what we know how to do, so try to avoid frustration when you can by learning how to do things, or else youll feel so frustrated that you wont have energies to keep working.
Ok, in the example i drew for you the horizon line equals the eye level, you should keep that everytime this is the case, so have that in mind.
When you look up to an object, the horizon line goes down, maybe you wont even see it on your drawing (bottom drawing), when you see down on an object the horizon lines goes up (drawing at the top).
When you have this in mind you can draw any object inside a box (drawing of the middle and right).
You can see in the drawings of the top left that you can slice object too, when you slice a circular object you obtain an oval as a silouete, as drawn on the example, when you remember this it can help you when drawing cuved surfaces, for example chests, heads, and so on, you just have to draw a box, a cilinder inside it and then slice it.
Try making the figures without drawing the guidelines now, try to remember the proportions you memorized before, use your imagination to see the guidelines on the paper and also to measure proportions. Remember what you did on august 10 to help you.
Another thing, do the lines only once, don try to correct a line by using your pencil next to it again, this will force you to plan your lines carefully and to make them more carefully. Remember to vary the pressure of your pencil to make the lines. And make thos figures much much bigger, double the size of them. Use your B pencil.
Try the previous excersize again. Good luck. And dont feel discouraged! youll learn step by step, mistake by mistake, keep it up!.
August 20th, 2008, 04:52 PM
So I did bigger figures ^^ And I believe they 're approximately correct I seen some error with the right arms. What I always don't achive to do is that this perspective look like all the other I think no? Well I do it all by mind for the proportion for the guidelines 'nd all without eraser. So this is why there 're 3 left arms, 'nd 2 right leg ^^
August 20th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Another victory!, very well done, it almost looks like that you didnt even rease once, it look very clean, with the exception of the other limbs :) But its well done, its proportions are very well, its looks like its moving wich is very important, keep it up!, you are advancing pretty well.
Heres a little correction, try making the hip wider, compare it with andrew loomis proportions.
Now here a new excersize to help you develop your skills to draw things in perspective, try reviewing previous posts if you need refresh some ideas. I have draw you some examples here.
1- Draw many figures using boxes and cilinders, do them in different perspective points, in different motions.
2- Try adding a little twist to the boxes once you feel more confortable.
3- Once you finish the figure, you have to review it for mistakes and then tell me whats wrong with it (no need to correct), this is important to develop your skills to correct and also to learn new ways to make your drawings looks better, the only way to get better is to identify where you make mistakes in one area, and then learn how to do that specific area. For example, you identify that you do your chests too wide, so you learn the correct proportions, so you practice it until you can do correct proportions without the need of help but everything from memory.
4- Dont use the eraser, leave it like that and instead of correcting the drawing do another figure but without the same mistake.
Once you do this excersize many times it will be easier for you to view things in a 3d space and you will be able to draw them in any perspective you want.
I hope that helps, keep it up!.
August 22nd, 2008, 03:19 PM
This is two figures I did 'nd wohaaa I fell me quiet better, I feel my figure moving so I believe i'm improving me ^^ I think the persp are good the think i've the most difficult is to the hip but i believe it's good.
The left is a guy who using rollers i don't draw the roller ^^ 'nd the other is a guy who is happy to win
Well I believe it's better 'nd better i fell it, I all made it without erase, 'nd without guidelines 'nd references ^^
August 22nd, 2008, 07:13 PM
Great!, allways try to see the best in your drawings, even if it has flaws, this will keep you motivated, wich is important to give yourself energy to keep going, great job again, as you said you are getting better and i see that too, i see more movement and more volume and more 3d, good job!. :mod:
Here are the critiques, its important for you to absorb this corrections so you dont make the mistake again, try making many boxes, you can do them in less that 5 seconds so i want to see thousands, not 5, i want to see thousands of boxes next time, thats the next excersize, after that we can come back to do more figures with boxes, and after that we begin with muscles.
Basically, its pay attention to see the inclination and angle of the different planes of the cube, make sure that all its side are on 90 degrees so its a real cube and not a distorted box, and mainting the same vanishing points for all the sides of a dimension.
If you have any questions go ahead and ask. :anime: Keep it up!.
August 23rd, 2008, 04:57 PM
Hi so I did two sheet of boxes 'nd I believe I wil continue to do this during the other assignment because I've some problems with the fact to be precise without guidelines, and also with the orientation I don't think always about how is oriented the plane of the box 'nd so how the other faces are. But I believe I will not forget this anymore know that I understant my error.
August 23rd, 2008, 10:16 PM
Well done, its great that you do understand your error now, that is what makes you better each time, not really drawing a lot, but understanding your mistakes and correcting them.
Heres is a critique: you got some good boxes there, but most of them are too distorted, i want you to try to dont worry too much about the guidelines at first, but concentrate on the "look and feel" of the box, focus first on the look of it without worrying yourself about the guides and vps, after that just use the vanishing points to keep the drawing consistent and realistic, i tell you this because i believe that when your draw a box you focus so much on guidelines and vanishing points that you forget that you are making a box :D, it happens often so dont worry, sometimes we get concentrated so much on guides and techniques that we forget to actually DRAW something that looks nice :)
I want you to try this excersize again but this time use the eraser, use thin and light lines (pencil H, not B, hold it lightly), dont use guidelines but use your imagination to imagine the lines in your head, first and foremost try to draw a nice looking box without too much distorion as if it was at the lenght of your arm in front of you, and the paper is like a window, then you can correct the box thinking on the vanishing points to keep its sides consistent and realisitc if need be with using the eraser.
Good luck, and allways keep it up, you are advancing pretty well. :asspat:
August 24th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Ok ^^ so I did it 'nd I see u 're all right in the fact i was too fixing on the guidelines because now i think more to the box so it's look more nice 'nd I also don't forget the guidelines too so it's great. I did this exercise without eraser 'nd without guidelines too finally because I'm beginning to feel me more confident to do this without guidelines 'nd to see where there is too big issues.
I think I did it pretty good ^^
August 25th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Sorry for not replying yesterday. You did pretty pretty good!, im glad tthat it helped what i said, im glad i was right :D, im very happy for your advancment :anime:
Now we can go back to the figures, try doing some figures with boxes AND cilinders too, remember that to make cilinders you have to make a box first and then place the cilinder inside it. Good luck and keep as you are doing :mod:
August 27th, 2008, 06:38 AM
Hi So I did some figure 1sheet of boxes figure 'nd 1sheet of cylinder figures.
On the boxes sheet I try to did one poses style pin-up on the left, 'nd on the right a figure who's falling in backward to escape to bullet like in Matrix a little ^^
On the cylinder sheet I did on the left a figure where I try to make a figure ready to attacking with his left arm. And on the right I draw a handballer figure who where go to shoot. I believe the other anotation 're helpfull ^^
I think I become a little tired to do just boxes but I know this is this work which we fruitfull znd put the best basics.
August 27th, 2008, 11:20 AM
Ok, well done. Since you are a little tired of doing boxes lets change the excersize, now do figures like the two upper half of this sheet and follow the instructions on it:
I want to see them perfect, use the eraser if necesary, correct everything, chekh the proportions, also dont forget to chekh the width of the limbs.
You should be able to do this excersize using the knowledge you acquired doing boxes, since you need to place an objects such as a cilinder inside a box to ensure that its perspective is accurate, otherwise the cilinder or other object will not look right, thats why its important to learn how to make boxes that dont look distored, thats the base for all kinds of objects. You dont need to draw the box, do it if you need to, but try practicing imagining the box without the need to draw it. Project the box you are imagining into the paper.
There is a mental excersize that i think is good, you can do this when you are about to sleep for example, or when you dont have anything to do and cant draw: imagine that you have a cube, in your imagination grab it with both of your hands, and manipulate it, rotate it, throw it in the air, play with it, but make sure you are doing it as realistically as posible, and try to see the orintation of each side of the cube that you can see, this will help you to see cubes in your imagination more clearly and you wont have the need to draw them so much.
Keep it up!.
August 27th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Ok i try the mental exercize 'nd it's funny. I also did the exercise with the figure u ask, I hope it was what u asking for. At the first time I want to put 4figure on this sheet but at the end i have prefer to take first doing the biggest figure 'nd if there is always enough place do the little figure but it was not so I don't do the little figure.
I hope it's good. My comments on my drawing is my arm 're all not very good. But in general the aspect is good.
August 27th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Ok, its good, good job.
When doing an object, you also have to think about the side you cannot see, for example if you where drawing a head from one side and you can only see one ear, you should know where the ear is placed the other side. This will help you to draw the side that you can see more correctly.
Lets practice doing spheres now, this will help you to draw cilindrical objects like the ones wich form a body.
Try doing this excersize many times, dont worry in copying the details of the features, but keep the proportions of the face of the brow line, hair line, and nose:
August 28th, 2008, 06:56 AM
Well so I did this morning I believe the best 're the 3 upper, in the lower I try to change completly my view with a view from bottom to up.
I do the mental exercize but this time with the sphere 'nd seeing all the line middle, brow, hair, ... 'nd it's a little difficult but I believe this help me a lot to do this exercise ;D
I hope it's what u asking to do ^^
PS: I darker the drawing to help you to see all the guidelines
August 28th, 2008, 07:36 AM
Excellent, whenever you do something for the first time it allways comes badly, and also its the most dificult try, so dont worry about that, have it allways in mind whenever you start something wich no have never tried, when you have much experience youll do things without that much thinking and effort than when you did it the first times.
Ok, try doing the ovals that are on the sides of the head bigger, double its size.
Also, try doing a box first, and inside place the head, construct the sphere inside the box. Use these sheets as reference:
Also try leaving the guidelines with very thin lines so they are barely seen as you did before.
Heres a challenge, try doing even more heads, try spending even more time in this excersize, it will do good to you, youll learn more if you put more effort in learning.
Keep it up! :).
August 29th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Hi ^^ So I take the challenge 'nd I try to do more things in one.
1 & 2 => all the guidelines have been draw
3 & 4 => all the guidelines have been draw expect the guidelines for make circle on the diagonales (imaginate them)
5 => I just do the boxes 'nd imaginate all the guidelines to make the different circle
6 => I maginate all the boxes, 'nd the guidelines to make the different circle.
I hope it' a good...
August 29th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Well done, there are some proportion problems, like in the jaw, but the excersize is good, it will help you develop a sense of volume in the form of spherical objects.
Try to pay more attention from now on on the proportions, i want you to correct the proportions of everything you do, thats why its important to use very faint lines at first so you can erase them, or better yet, you have to project your imagination and be sure that you are about to draw in the correct proportions.
Try to study how to measure proportions, use the sheet below, you should be able to measure things just with your eyes so try not to use helping devices, but train your eyes to measure proportions, like you did on the figures in the begining.
Now try doing this figures, but dont worry about the details, do something like the one in the middle of the bottom, and make many figures from many angles, make the figure transparent so you can draw the ovals, and pay more attention into building the ovals like i explained you in previous posts:
Good luck! :yayca:
August 30th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Hi so I did one sheet of figure like this... I dunno if it was what u ask to do this style or the other with more details....
What I can comment it's I understand a lot more now why was the purpose of te next exercize ^^ And that I always make too strong line in my first sketch to modificate later I will work more on that in the next exercise to have a first line very thin to be able to change it ^^
August 30th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Great, good work, keep the effort and good work, and of course the motivation, all these excersize have a purpose to increase your skill in some aspect of drawing, im glad you are seeing that more clearly, keep the effort and youll improve with each excersize, even if its just a little.
Now ill give you an excersize to correct something specific, your ovals all seem almost the same, so well practice making cilinders and their ovals just as we practiced with boxes, this will increase your abiliy to draw cilindrical objects.
If you want, it will help you to grab a glass or a cup, and manipulate it with your hand in various angles, try to study the opening wich is circular, and study its shape, doing this will be easier to understand this excersize.
The next excersize is this: draw transparent cilinders like the ones at the left column in the sheet of the previous excersize (http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=915), draw as many as you can, and even try to copy the opening of the glass or cup, notice how the shape gets away from a circle, to a very subtle change to a very thin oval.
Download bridgman books, they are the first ones, and start taking a look at its lines, where are going to start with that in the near future:
Good luck!, keep up the good work!. :asskisser:
August 31st, 2008, 05:17 PM
Hi I did a lot of ovals I hope it's good ^^ I begin also to look at the books u said me to DL 'nd wooahhh if I draw like him human anatomy i will be a little good i beleive ^^
Growthness to greatness or growthness to excellentness ^^
August 31st, 2008, 10:18 PM
Growthness to great excelentness :)
Ok, the cilinders are well done mostly, but we need to practice more variety in the shape of the ovals, now lets try a more specific excersize with cilinders:
Draw 10 cilinders, the first one should be seen so that its upper side is paralell to the horizon line, and second one should be below this one and you should be able to see the cilinder upper side, wich should be a thin oval, and so on with the rest of the cilinders, the last cilinder should be seen completely from above, and you should see a complete circle. Like the cilinders here http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=915 but do more cilinders until you reach a cilinder that is completely seen from above.
Try drawing a box with very thin lines and then drawing the cilinder with stronger lines, see how the cilinders are done at the botom right of this sheet and do them like them: http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=161
Do the diagonals in the box sides as helping guides: http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=164
Ok, keep up the positiveness! :steph: :anime: :lounge:
September 1st, 2008, 06:50 PM
Hi I didn't have time this day to draw because there was a problems with my internet connection 'nd I work on it all the day to make things right 'nd be ok. So I will put tomorrow in the journey what I did.
And know the result internet is here ^^
See u next
September 1st, 2008, 08:22 PM
All right no problem, keep it up, see you tomorrow then. :asslick:
September 2nd, 2008, 07:55 AM
Hi I did the exercize 'nd I believe that now I see what there was all my oval the same. I believe this sheet is good ^^
September 2nd, 2008, 09:52 AM
Well done, remember that since the cilinders are placed inside a box, if the box has distortions the the cilinder will have distortion too, like most of the big cilinders you did, the other cilinders that are on the left column are ok, you can repeat this excersize as much as you want to aquire a better skill into drawing and seeing cilindrical shapes, and i encourage you to do so.
Now lets try a different excersize: on BRidgman book called "constructive anatomy" got to page 17 and draw the tilted planes, copy the 4 drawings, but pay special attention to the fluidity of the lines, youll notice that there are no lines that are part of the body wich are completely straight or perfectly curved, but they have "breaks" in it, they change direction with subtlety, or suddenly, little are much, you dont need to copy them perfectly as they are there, but apply you effort into imitating the fluidity. To do this, study the line you will do next, memorize it, and in your imagination do the movement of your had that will achieve this line, after you know how to do the line you can draw it on the paper.
Look at the figures below, the column of the right looks too distorted, and thats because the box in wich its placed is also distorted, you correct this by making the box depth shorter. (images from www.gutenberg.org from the book called theory and practice of perspective)
Good luck! :anime:
September 3rd, 2008, 06:42 AM
Hi So I did the 4 figure u ask me to do 'nd try to imitate the fluidity. I made the sheet from the left to the right so the first is at the left 'nd the last is at the right.
My comments that I can give is the best I believe for the exercize of fluidity is the biggest figure but I found it too fine. However for the proportion I believe the best is the little small figure.
Also at the first time I see the exercize you ask me to do I was a little afraid because i see it like a bug jump to pass from the boxes or little skeleton to a figure totally with skin but now I fell me better with this, with use the boxes like an help to draw the skin ^^
I hope u see progress too XD
PS: I add the same sheet but darker because i wasn't sure that in your screen u will see fine the drawing ^^ But on the paper it's realy nice lol
September 3rd, 2008, 01:03 PM
All right!, i think its a really good try, well done. Try to pay attention to the proportions at first, firt before you lay done any stroke, try to measure the width compared to its height, so that when you start making the chest, and other parts, you will do them with the correct proportions.
Dont be afrait whenever you start something new, allways have in mind to try your best, and dont put so much thought on the end result, remember that you have your limits and your are excersizing to push your limits little by little, even if the result looks not as good as you thought, IF you did your best, and IF you are learning NEW WAYS to correct your work, THEN you are pushing your limits a little bit further, and thats the way to get better.
Ok, it was a good excersize to learn a new way of drawing figures and to start paying more attention to the quality of line, now lets try to excersize your lines a little more.
I want you to do something like this sheet:
Concentrate to do many types of lines, use the side of your pencil, EXPERIMENT a lot, concentrate on this things:
- Work BIG, do very long lines all across the A4 sheetm, do not work small.
- Do not use your fingers to make strokes, just to hold the pencil!
- PLan the line you are going to do in your imagination. This is really important so pay special attention to this, practice to make interesting lines, not boring ones, play with the lines.
- Plan the start and finish points of your line
- Plan the overall ANGLE of the line
- Vary the pressure in one stroke
- Vary the speed that you do a stroke. Work very slowly to add more details to a stroke. Do a stroke very fast and see the difference both in quality of line and of how much control you can have, try to measure the difference.
- Vary the part of the arm with wich you use to make strokes, try using only your wrist, try also rotating your forearm, and also try using only your shoulder to make strokes.
- Also practice making tones using the side of the pencil.
Allright, thats the new excersize, work a lot on this one, and if posible, try working vertically, not horizontally as normal, by working vertically you will strengthten the muscles of your arm, and shoulder, and this will result in more control of your pencil and quality of lines. When working vertically, since you are doing something wich your arm is not used too, it will hurt a lot, so try to rest a while from time to time. This is like any other type of muscular excersize to strengthten any muscle.
Good luck!! :mod:
September 4th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Hi so I did 4 sheet of making strokes 'nd I try on it to use every part of my arm & shoulder to vary the pressure the direction, 'nd to work big so I belive it's good.
September 4th, 2008, 05:20 PM
Very well done!, i can see almost no shaky lines and much control of them.
Now go to page 15 of bridgman book, and do very carefully planed and fluid lines drawing many figures like those small ones in that page. Notice that not one line is straight, but curved and fluid, this add much sense of beign organic and movement.
Analize each line that bridgman drew before making your own lines.
Also pay attention to make figures that move their pelvis and chest, rotating them and twisting them. This practice is to get used to make nice and fluid lines when you draw figures. Do not make one line on top of each other, for each line allow yourself only one stroke.
One question, did you drew those lines with the paper at 90 degrees or at 180 degrees?.
September 5th, 2008, 05:27 AM
I did all these line in vertical mainly there is maybe 3.5/4 of the line do vertical 'nd I try also 0.5/4 to do horizontal line 'nd in reality this ust be less than that ^^ Ok I will look the page 'n work on..One stroke ^^ ohhh really cool challenge
September 5th, 2008, 05:24 PM
Hi so I try to do all this figure in just one stroke per stroke ^^ And I believe I was too concentrate on the stoke 'nd I forget totally the nice aspect of the figure.
September 5th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Hehe!, nice attempt!, but i see that you tried to fix things by adding more lines on top of each other, like in the right hand, do not do this!, use the eraser instead, or do not erase it but leave it like that, and do another drawing of it but this time make sure you plan really really really REALLY well the proportions, direction, pressure, etc of the line before you draw it :)
Now, do the small figures of the same page, and do more fo your own, do many of them, as much as you can.
Question, how much time did the last drawing take you?, how much time do you use each day to study and practince drawing?.
Keep it up!, Keep it up!, Keep it up!, Keep it up!, Keep it up!, :D :assspank: :lounge: :asskisser:
September 6th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Hi ^^ So I try to draw every day even if it's not a long time. In average I draw 1h-1h30, the minimum time that i draw a day is 30min 'nd the max is 3h. Did u believe it's not enough?
For the exercize I'm a little disapointed about wich figure u're talking in fact ^^ Is it the boxes figure u're talking because this is the only small figure I see on this page or this is to make small figure like the 2 with the skin?
So I do 2 sheet, in the first i remade the drawing of yesterday 'nd I fell it rely good nice proportion (even if I've some issues with feet 'nd hand) 'nd some nice stroke. In the second I make the boxes figure wich I talk.
For the drawing of yesterday I took 30min to made it but I was concentrate on the boxes 'nd after not a lot concentrate on the line of it 'nd today I try another thing I take just 5-10min to the boxes figure 'nd the proportion 'nd after I begin to work on the line in verify the proportion always. So I believe I've found a new way to work better ^^
Moreover in my last drawing I was beliving that I musn't use the eraser XD
Wowwww I wrote a lot today sry I will draw more 'nd less write lol
September 6th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Its really nice, well done, the proportions seem well done, and thats what we are after, even if its not a perfect copy, it looks good, im glad you also feel good about how it came, thats important to keep the motivation allways high.
If you can, try increasing the time you practice per day, as much as you can, the more the better. But if you cant, then its ok, try using the time you have applying your best efforts.
I wanted you to make the small figures, the ones with boxes and withOUT skin, but its ok, the important things was to practice doing very planned lines with figures, its easier with simpler lines, do them next but with this corrections.
In the drawing i did i try to explain how to do better lines. In your stick figures you simplify lines too much, try adding more details to them whenever you can. Andrew loomis says to allways draw the limbs with "spring" not perfectly straight, and Bridgman does this too, if you trace a perfectly straight line over his lines, youll notice that they change directions, they can be very curvy or very subtle.
In the bottom right i cutted one of your drawings, for example, you draw legs with just three lines, thats not too bad, but try adding more changes to the lines because they all look the same.
Now look at the stick figure next to it to the right, thats one that Andrew loomis drew in his book, you see that it basically is made up of two curves facing oposite directions.
Now look at the figure that Bridgman drew, to the left corner, here i analized lines more. Notice that almost all the lines of the limbs are the same, except one, this can make the most detailed and biggest line to attract more attention, and since its more complex its also more interesting to look at.
Try to analize the lines by guessing the direction of the pencil. This types of lines are not made by very slow strokes, but by planing the movement of your hand and planing also the ending and begining of the line and the direction.
Now look at the drawing at the top and compare it to yours. Notice how i divided Bridgman line in sections, this sections each have a direction and the resulting effect is that since they are different to each other they add detail to a single line, wich makes it more interesting to look at and makes it look more organic. You should try to add more of this to your lines.
Now make lines from various strokes if necesary, but do not add one stroke on top of each other, try to maintain the unity of a line to keep its fluidity.
I hope that helps, good luck!.
September 7th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I was watching this guys SB and i wanted to show it to you, if you can imitate his intention only, even if you cant have as much control as him in your lines, but if you put the intention in your lines to be expressive, then that will be a huge difference:
September 8th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Hi so I post some try to make expresive line it's just some attempt I continue to do more. I don't know if they 're good but what I know it the best is in the second sheet in the bottom left to me ^^
I have a lot of free time so I'll take more time to draw .D
September 8th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Wanted to explain this quick, just in case our helpful mentor hasn't. I saw how great this was doing, and I asked Christian if he was opening another class after this. He said he'd gladly take me in, I would just have to catch up. I hope it's okay.
Anyway, I figured before I start working on the first "challenge" I should post a little about myself.
I like to draw. I plan to be really crazy with my art...I don't want any boundaries. I wan't to create things that make your head hurt with the surreal oddness of the work. But I have to learn anatomy before I get there, of course. ^_^. And everything else.
I listen to rock music, inspired by it, blah blah blah, play guitar, and I"m gonna start drawing now. So peace.
September 8th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Thanks for introducing yourself Cerb :)
Heres something i want you both to do, critque yourselves, i mean, not only your work, but Cerb you critique Abichai, Abichai you critique C3rb3rus and also try to give advice to eachother, that will help you to think on mistakes that yourself can avoid in your work, and it will be good practice to learn things, it even helps me to teach you stuff, it helps to to learn things too.
C3rb3rus: Ill wait for your images to teach you and correct you, but try to read the first post of Abichai and read my critique so you can avoid his mistakes.
Abichai: Thats awesome, do you see what big difference does it make?, keep with doing those types of lines and have fun with them, making interesting lines, and also, whenever you see and artist you like, analize his lines, and notice how expressive they can be.
Heres your new excersize, apply what you have learned by doing expressive lines in this figure study. You are going to copy figures, i have chosen this figures for you so that you draw things that you are having trouble with, try to capture the foreshortening of the head and chests specially. Also, when you draw a head or chest also draw a box around it to help you see its orientation.
You have to copy the second and third of the first row, and of the second row copy the first and third: http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=911
Heres how to copy them, you are going to draw as many copies of one figure as necesary until you learn it from memory.
First look at it and try to memorize it, then after you feel that you are ready to draw, stop looking at it and draw the figure WITHOUT looking at the original. While you do it, notice wich part do you have problems, in terms of form and proportion, and foreshoterning. After you finish the drawing, compare it with the original and focus on ONE feature you have problem with, and draw it, then draw it from memory, and if you have problems with it then study the original, draw it again from memory and if you still have problems, go back to the original, and draw it again from memory, repeat the process with all the features of the figure you had trouble with.
Doing this way youll learn to do features fery fast, the "bad" thing about this method is that youll make mistakes very often, but dont feel discouraged, dont focus on doing a great job, instead FOCUS on your mistakes and memorizing the right way to do it.
Do as many as you need, good luck and remember to allways keep your motivation up!, keep it up!.
September 16th, 2008, 06:32 AM
Hi I don't draw a lot this time sorry but I've a studies problems that I need to check it so I will try to redraw more in the next weeks 'nd post the advancement.
September 16th, 2008, 08:34 AM
All right, thanks for letting me know, good luck with your studies.
September 27th, 2008, 09:44 AM
hi so after my time issues now it's more cool so I will post tomorrow the last assignment first line 'nd second maybe. Hope it's ok for u XD
September 27th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Looking great Abichai. You got serius improvement. Keep up the good work.
Been working with atonomy and done lots of croque (drawing the naked human for 30 sec-2min.) Done that for 3-4 hrs every day for half a year on a art school i was on and can highly recorment it.
What you get out of it. You learn to get the movement down realy fast, just by drawing a few lines. You learn proportions of the human and the lines that makes up the body. Placement on the paper to make it look best.
If you can do some of it, it would help even more to improve you and you can post them here too. I dont mind comment on them too if needed. If it is ok with Christian ofc.
September 27th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Abichai: great news! ill be waiting for the update.
Nocebo: thanks for your recommendation!, i guess i should do that too. Sometimes when im traveling by bus i draw people on the streets, this gives me very little time to capture the pose and movement, but i just drew a few pages and i notice a difference, so this helps too. If you want to participate here go ahead, you are more than welcome :D
September 28th, 2008, 05:58 AM
I will try to upload some of my croque drawings if i can find some of them again :P to give an idea of how to use it.
September 28th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Hi so I said I will post so I post even if this is just the second attempt of the first line first manekin ^^.
What I can tell is that u 're very all seying XD because I fell some difficulties with the foreshortening to measure it 'nd give it to hime the right distance.
But I think it's a quiet good 2nd attempt I will draw a little more tomorrow 'nd do the first line at minimum
September 29th, 2008, 08:55 AM
It is indeed a very good attempt, the figure looks very good with nice curved and organic lines and it doesnt have very bad proportions mistakes, very well done!.
Now, you said you have problems with the foreshortening, ok, then as i said in september 28, FOCUS on that specific foreshortened part, and do only that part, forget about everything else, for example draw only the chest, and do it from memory, when you finish drawing it compare it with the referece and try to study what parts and proportions are wrong, then memorize what needs to be corrected, focus on one thing to correct only to make things easier for you, the draw from memory again having in mind what to correct, after you finish drawing it compare it with the referece, and repeat the process until you can draw that part from memory, and continue with the excersize having this way of learning in mind allways. Remember to FOCUS on certain parts only, not everything at once, so that you are learning one thing at a time and not everything at the same time, that way is faster and simpler.
Good luck!.:anime: Keep it up and welcome back! :mod:
September 30th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Didnt have any around and been some time sence i last did croqui. Hmm.. will find out something else then.
October 4th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Hi so there are two news attempt to do the second figure of the first line. I will try to rise my time of drawing because I want to be better ^^ 'nd I will try to post one drawing at least every day. It's too long one week to wait the week end.
Howecver I always try to find a pattern to draw tree 'nd mountain that I post some draw so if u have any idea on this too it will be coool XD
Well I hope u 're not too boring to wait so long ....sry I will try to post every day except the tuesday because I've my dance lessons.
See u tomorrow for the next try on this figure 'nd the other because this is not really well...I'm fixing me too on the try to have expressive line 'nd forgot the rest a little I believe
October 4th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Ok, yes do try to increase the time you practice because right now its too little, the more you practice and learn then the more fast youll reach a good level of illustration.
To draw trees and mountains you have to study trees and mountains. You can draw them in different ways, in lines or with planes of grey colors, or a combination of both.
There are good explanations about this in these pages:
Basically what you have to do with trees as with everything else is not focus in details at first, but try to see the big shapes and then draw the small shapes inside the big ones. The thing to have in mind is that trees can be very complex and have many details, so you have to work on each small detail and that takes lots of work, but there are various ways to draw so this is not a defenitive rule, for example look at how a tree is drawn in the bottom of this image: http://www.fineart.sk/show.php?w=151 you can see that the leaves are made by big AND small planes of different greys, not just small ones, but rather big planes of grey with small planes here and there, try to see how organic and fluid are draw the lines that make the trunk of the tree, and also notice that there are many various kinds of greys obtained with the pencil. And dont forget to draw lines with details, because you can see that there are no straight lines in there, but each line changes and has details, it changes, its organic.
I hope that helps, i lookf forward to you next update, pay more attention to proportions of the head and pelvis area, good luck! :anime:
October 5th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Hi so I said I will post every day so I post every day even if today was a big day to me. I travel a lot so I draw during train 'nd it learn me things even if I don't believe the drawing 're nice ^^ drawing in the train was really hard with the moving . I learn a lot in the lines in fact I don't know if this will be show in my futher drawing.
And I draw also after the second figure where u ask me to make better proportion for the head 'nd the pelvis. The head is ok now in the last I believe 'nd the pelvis is more nice 'nd well proportionate I believe.
PS: the second sheet is the drawing time in train XD
See ya next
October 5th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Ok, lets start with the figures. They look good but i see that your bigest difficulty is seeing the right proportions on your reference. This skills is acquired by experience so its ok if you are having dificulties when you start, but to learn faster this skill you really have to make an effort to measure the parts that you draw in proportion with other parts. For example, if you where drawing a head, to measure the proportion of the nose regarding to its width, you take the width of an eye, and thats the correct proportion of the nose, nose width=eye width.
Follow the instrucitions in this sheet too:
Now, lets focus on parts of the figure to learn to draw them correctly, now focus on the CHEST of that same figure, and try to draw it from memory, after you draw, correct it with looking at the reference, and then try to draw it from memory without looking at the reference, in this way you can identify wich parts of its details or proportion you need to memorize.
Look at the drawing i did, i tried to show you how to imagine the chest inside a box, try to imagine any part you draw inside a 3d box so that you can see its FROM, its ROUNDNESS, it will help you to see what is in front, or in its back, what is nearer the viewer or what is farther.
The blue lines are examples of how to study the lines. Try to figure out the longest part of a line, the part wich is straightest and between curves, and imagine a straight line on top of it (blue line), this will help you measure in proportions of lines, and its right angle.
So now make the chest only witht the instructions i told you, and apply even more effort and meticulousness in learning the proportions. Good luck, and keep it up!.:mod:
October 6th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Hi so I take ur advice 'nd work on the chest only with the boxes 'nd I see the differences. Now my chest look really better 'nd with nice measure. Also I tru to work more my line to have more sweet line 'nd expressive.
I hope my feelings of progress is seing to you too ^^
see ya next
PS: if the quality of the scanning sheet is not the same as before is because i've a problem this time i bock on Ubuntu 'nd I use Gimp to make them 'nd I dont know how to use Gimp as fine than photoshop ^^
October 6th, 2008, 08:07 PM
The quality of the scan is enough good, dont worry, but the drawings are awesome!, im truly impressed! really! :D, impressive improvements, what a difference! :anime: excellent job!.
Just make sure that you can do the chest entirelly from memory, can you?, when you try to remember the shape of each part of the chest, be it the shoulder, or the part of the neck, or the ribs, then you can know if you need to check the reference and try to memorize it again. So make sure you memorize every part of the chest before moving to trying to memorize other parts of the figure.
Everything lookgs good to me, good proportion overall, good lines, great form and roundness, do as many chest as necesary until you can do them entirelly without looking at the reference and then do the head and pelvis in the same manner you did the chest, good luck! and keep it up your improvements are really noticeable!. :anime:
October 12th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Hi so after again some computer issues ( i try to install ubuntu but this erase my mbr with the marker vista so i can't go back on window 'nd after i reinstall xp but i havn't install photoshop 'nd the scanner...ouf now it's ok)
I put some of my drawing that I did they 're all on school paper because i've done it during class or during my travel.... loool I will take some white paper the next time I don't draw at home.
The first is the same exercise from memory I believe it's ok... I will post tonight the same exercise on the head 'nd the hips.
The second is another try on nature drawing ^^
October 12th, 2008, 01:33 PM
im glad you fixed your problem, just keep on drawing and learning to correct your drawings as much as you can, you dont really need the computer to learn.
The problem with drawing from nature is that it has "planes of grey" besides LINES wich we where using when drawing atanomy. So, when drawing from nature you have to do it in STEPS, FIRST STEP is to draw every CONTOUR/SILOUETTE with lines while correcting PROPORTIONS of everything you draw, SECOND STEP is to draw PLANES OF GREY reresenting the LIGHT AND SHADOW of the things you see, i havent taught you to do this thing yet because i wanted to leave it for later, but since i see you are interested in it i want you to keep motivated by learning new things you like, so im going to give you a new excersize related to anatomy so you can learn to draw with PLANES OF GREY.
Heres a link of tutorials, do the first one, draw the head and take all the time you need, spend as many hours or days as needed, DO NOT DO IT FAST, draw very carefully.
Check the drawing i did for you, you can do thin lines when using the pencil at 90 degrees, but if you use the side of the pencil you can do PLANES OF GREY, vary the pressure to obtain different tones of grey, you can draw on top of each plane of grey to make the grey darker:
Use this method to measure proportions carefully:
When you learn to better measure proportions and carefully make the different kinds of greys you will be able to paint from nature really well like in this picture at the bottom:
I hope that helps you, good luck! after you dod this excersize we will go back to anatomy.:anime:
October 23rd, 2008, 06:24 AM
Hi soo it's a long time that i post something... I will post this weekend what I did this time 'nd the next week i'm in holidays soo i will have more time to draw scan 'nd post. Sorry to don't be regular as i want ^^
See u next time ... I'm hope u're not sleepling now XD
October 23rd, 2008, 08:02 AM
No problem, ill be waiting for your last excersize, keep it up! :D
October 30th, 2008, 08:32 AM
Hi so after all this time there is my exercise. And what i can say its this is pretty hard XD loool what's hard, is too feel the gray tones in fact. But i believe it's quiet good.... not perfect, but a good beginning in the world of gray tones ^^
Well see u later
October 30th, 2008, 05:04 PM
Hi, yes as a begining its a good first attempt, now ill give you some pointers so that when you do this again you wont make the same mistakes. It is a hard excersize but just make sure to take all the time you need, do it slowly, thats they key, and have patience.
The big proportions of the head seem to be ok, but the details like the nose and eyes are not really well done, once you complete the big proportions of the head you should also do the details of the nose and the eyes also in the correct proportions.
Dont use the B pencil, use HB so that you dont add too dark values, when you start with values its easy to press too much the pencil so using a HB pencil you allow you to do a plane of value and then check it to correct it, and if it needs to be more dark you can keep making that value darker.
Dont press too much to do the lines, in fact, do not include any line in the final drawing, if you need to do a lines do it but make sure that its hard to see it, in the final work there should not be seen any lines only planes of value.
To make your arm more strong to be able to control more the lines and values, work with the paper vertically, at 90 degrees, put the paper on a wall and draw on it, this will make your shoulder work harder and it will make its stronger.
Ok, now do the second head excersize, take your time, spend days if necesary, dont be lazy and correct any mistake, i want to see prefection, you can do it, you just need to correct as many times as necesary, have patience, if you take your time to do it perfectly youll be making an excersize that will train you do draw better, to see better values, and to have more control of your arm. Good luck! and keep it up!.
edit: one more thing, use the full a4 page, as big as you can, do not work small.
November 1st, 2008, 04:54 PM
Hi so this is the 2'nd exercize 'nd I would like to say that I see a lot of progress. I feel me better on this work. I believe we can see it on the work.
See you later ^^
November 1st, 2008, 06:34 PM
Allright, this one has a more 3d feel to it, its a good step forward good job.
Now, remember to not do lines, in here i can see lines in the eyes and mouth area, but if you see a person youll notice that there is no such a black line bordering the lips, remember that very black values/tones represent total lack of light, so you would draw very black lines only when there is a place where absolutelly no light touches that part.
Study this picture of a cone and box:
What you have to imitate from this is the subtle change from a black value to a very light value, you must avoid sudden jumps from black to white except when there are sharp changes is the form like in a box, but when its round there should be subtle changes like in a cone.
Second, make sure that when you draw you will make it with such care that you wont be able to see any strokes/lines of your pencil, only planes of values like id the example.
Try to do various copies of the box and cilinder trying to imitate what i mentioned, and we will advance from there.
Good job again, remember we are advancing little by little, but we are advancing at last, keep that positive attitude!.
November 15th, 2008, 10:36 AM
HI so after 2weeks of exams i finish now with this XD So I draw some thing that i will upload tonight or maybe tomorrow afternoon. Really want to show u my drawing to see u progress 'nd continue to rise my skills ^^
See u next
November 15th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Great, ill be waiting, see you later :anime:
November 16th, 2008, 12:37 PM
Hi so I post a sheet which retake elements of different sheet. I all make them in courses XD I know it's bad but when u 've time to lose in course it's better to use it 'nd draw ^^. I try to do also sphere because I foud it interesting to understand more the variation on shpere.
So I think it's better in my comprehension 'nd more in my way to do i'm using more like "adding layer" 'nd adding again more detail with a new "layer" so it's cool.
What next !! I want to draw lool I try to draw a figure of Obama today but it was a really messed up so i don't post it...I will post it when i will have fix all the mess thing.
See u tomorrow XD
November 16th, 2008, 10:55 PM
Hi!, you didnt forget to actually post the your latest images, didnt you? :D
That technique of adding layer and layer is ok for when you are starting out and you dont really know how to put values, but when you practice enough, you should stop adding layers and layers and try to achieve the value you want with one stroke only, dont worry though, for now add layer and layer, but remember that its slow, and you should monstly and primarily learn how to apply pressure with your pencil to get the desired value.
Ill await your next update, keep it up!. Keep practicing!, keep learning!. :anime:
November 17th, 2008, 03:42 AM
loool sry XD
November 18th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Ok, as a first try you did well, keep with the good effort :)
Look at the example i did for you, in the big ball you see i have drawn various "zones" with different colours, each zone is a different value you have drawn, but in your drawing this zones arent very well ordered, you should be much more carefull when laying out your zones of values. You should aim at something like the balls at the bottom. The first ball counting from the left is the one you drawn, and the other two are the ones i modified.
You can see that in the other 2 balls there is a sudden change of values, the lightest values represent the lighted area of the ball, and the darker values represent the area in shadow, just make sure that we can easely make the difference between the lighted side and the shadow side.
Next, do you see the value scale next to the big ball?, its a the right. When drawing spherical objects make sure that you get a very smooth passage between values, nothing sudden, if you do a smooth change of values then the visual effect will communicate a smooth spherical object.
Study andrew loomis drawings and try again, ill be waiting for the response.
November 23rd, 2008, 02:21 PM
OK so I try to put your advice in the next. So I made 3cylinder, 1spehre, 'nd 1exercize in the corner to work the scale of black to white, with fast change, low change.
I found my sphere really nice in fact, my cilinder 're not really extraordinary but they 're pretty nice.
I see nice progress in this sheet ^^
So i post 2sheet one darker 'nd one whiter to really see it.
November 24th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Good to see that you also notice the change, the important thing to keep in mind is to make sure that the values correspond for the right side of the object, that is, do not use the same values for any part that is inside of the lighted area INTO the shadow area, and do not use any value that is inside the shadow are INTO the lighted areas.
There is a problem with your scans though, try scaning them but do not touch the levels, leave it as it is and let me see that, i think that there is too much contrast when you modify your scans and this distorts the quality of your value passages.
Ok, now copy this drawing from andrew loomis book.
First lets analize it a little.
Notice that the trees are NOT made with little lines, but with the side of the pencil. Are there any thin lines there?, no, if there are any lines they are made with the side of the pencil, and they also change width, try to imitate this.
Also notice that there are not perfect straight lines, but alsmot all are very expressive. For example, the the silouete of the mountains at the top, we could simplify that silouete with 3 or four quick straight lines, but it doesnt look like it was done quickly, instead we can see that the artist took time to draw details on the silouette, you do the same, take all the time you need to get lines with details, do it slowly, dont let time concern you, insteand focus on getting a detailed drawing.
Try to imitate the values to perfection, where is the darkest value?, where is the whitest?, where are the middle values?, try to answer this questions to yourself, and apply this to your drawings too.
Good luck!. :anime:
November 29th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Hi so i try to make it as better as. The hardest part was the low part with the tree because the top of them 're detail but the bottom 're really confuse to me. I take 2***hour*** to do this so i'm a little disspaointed with the result even if i found it not too bad.
See u next ^^
I put 2version (one without edit levels 'nd one with edit) , i edit it because we don't see all the scale without editing level.
December 2nd, 2008, 04:08 PM
2H is too hard to use it by itself, you should use 2B because it will alow you to make more values will less pressure, or mix the pencils you use using various at the same time, you can use 2b for the very dark values, HB for the middle ones, and 2H for the very light ones. Next time use 2B or HB, but dont use 2H ever again to make this kind of value study.
Ok, now try doing a value scale, make 3 of them, first make 5 little boxes, you are going to fill this boxes with values, then make another 10 boxes scale, and then 20, heres an example: http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/val09.html
Dont do the boxes too small, lets say make each box 1cmx2cm.
This is the way to do it, first leave one extreme totally white, at the other extreme put a total black value, then in the middle add the value that should be between those extremes, then pick the middle one and any of the extremes and add the middle value between those, and so on until you got the entire value scale.
This excersize will help you train your eye to get the right value with the right amount of pressure.
Good luck!, you did a great job, it looks really nice, keep up the good work. Oh, and if you have time check this thread http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=138183, there is someone who teaches very good stuff there who is also teaching me and others so try to follow his advice and critiques too, as if he where speaking to you also.
December 6th, 2008, 12:37 PM
hi so i did the scale boxes exercize. The 2 first scale 're done really easy 'nd the third was a little bit more difficult. I think it's good. I starting to do a drawing from a references that i will try to post tonight or tomorrow.
See u later
December 9th, 2008, 08:48 PM
Very nice, good job, very neat borders and good values overall, now i want you to do this same excersize again, but correct the mistakes yourself, i want you to show me perfect value scales, without mistakes.
December 14th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Hi so i do the exercize 'ns the last result is the first sheet. I think it's pretty a good scale of white to black. Moreover I've looked some video tutorial from Jason ... I forget his name so I put the link
http://www.houseoftutorials.net/course/view.php?id=20 (u must just login as guess 'nd u can see the lesson freely
because i think it's a pretty good learning even if it for digital painting. With this video i'm go in a new understanding of value, 'nd color. I look at this because from Xmas i will get a wacom tablet soo ^^ so some tips to use it could be usefull even if drawing skill is the main important thing.
And i begin to draw a figure from a reference that i want to draw so I put the references 'nd the first step of the drawing which is the skeleton. What i can said is woo I've some isssues to work on like the head, ...
I'm just scanning 'nd i see we don't see a lot of thing because i made the skeleton in 2H to be invisible later...I put it however if u see something ^^
Well at the next time I will try to post the next exercise 'nd a new version about the figure drawing.
December 16th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Hi I see on the other thread that u 've a big painting to finish so i know that u don't have the time to post. I post because i made a knew draw ^^ I get motivation up at the highest lvl to take more time to draw so i believe it will be better to progress to greatness Xd. This is always about the drawing from the photo references. I made it in onyl 1hour so i believe i don't take enough time to work on the anatomy I will rebegin it today to do it more well. However I don't believe that he's so bad.... loool u will said me when u will have time or one guy which see this ^^
PS: I up the level 'nd contrast in photoshop to be able to see it because it's only made in 2H for this one.
See u later
February 2nd, 2009, 01:20 PM
I post a sheet of training begin after 1 month and a half of stop drawing. I will post wednesday some new sheet and after i will work on the next mannekin in Adrews book...or maybe more tonight.
What I can said is that I don't loose the eye measuring I believe, but my chest problems come again after 1 month of no draw.
February 4th, 2009, 05:01 PM
So there what i did today, I post 2 same sheet ... one a little clean than another XD
I feel me better I will continue to work on the weight with this manekin.
Tomorrow I will continue my work on weight.
February 8th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Next sheet of gein exercize. I try to draw this manekin with weight in different position. This put some trouble... I will work more XD See u next
February 27th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Long time no see abichai!, sorry for beign out of touch all this time, i have been finishing my casual game wich is almost ready to be released next month, hopefully. Your progress is noticeable as allways, but i see that you are copying, am i right?, try not to do it, instead go to MarkWinters thread on this forum section, in the last page there is a post about visualization, do read it and follow his advice, he explains things better than i could, then, after you learn from it, try to draw manikings from imagination, and do lots of them as best as you can, as 3dimensional as you can, and as proportionally correct as you can, use the eraser and draw thin lines so they are easy to erase, this way youll be training your knowledge on the characteristics of basic anatomy and training your visualizations skills.
Never give up!, show us more of your progress!. :rocker:
March 4th, 2009, 04:43 PM
hi it's cool to get some good news from u. I hope there will be soon the link to see your casual game XD.
About the drawing, i did one sheet where there is just 3 mannekin because when i drew the 1st in the left i was trying to do it from imagination with the explanation of MarkWinter 'nd...it was pretty a mess i must say lol but after a time I realize that i don't achieve to do it because iwas thinking in 2d 'nd not in 3d, so i did 2 mannekin from copying that i've always screw a lot but this time with visualisation 'nd like you can see (i hope) this add a lot of progress in my drawing to understand that i was thinking in 2d when i was drawing 'nd not in 3d now i draw thinking in 3d 'nd with a cisualisation more accurate.
I hope this is noticeable ^^
Well I hope when u come back that we will be able to go with figure less mannekin 'nd more figure :rocker: ...if u see what i want to say.... :rocker:
March 5th, 2009, 09:28 PM
All right, here my critique: you could correct some things there easely by erasing some things, when you see something that doesnt look right, erase it and start over it, remember to allways draw very thin and weak lines until you are 100% sure it looks as best as you can.do it.
Overall i think it looks very clean, nice lines, just keep going and learning, and also critiquing your own work so you know what to learn more.
Ok, lets try something new, you are going to look at a figure, a drawing, and then try to draw a stick figure in the same position as in the reference figure, then you are going to look at the reference figure and correct all the proportions as necesary, then you are going to draw on top of it trying to copy the values as they are. The purpose of this is to train your imagination as much as posible, so you can remember and see in your mind a figure. Keep practicing what MarkWinter said about visualization, it is a hard excersize in wich i also have problems.
The reference figure is the one on the left :http://fineart.sk/show.php?w=969
There you go, good luck!, keep your motivation up and dont be too hard on yourself, remember your limitations and try to learn and memorize as much as you can about proportions.
April 5th, 2009, 11:41 AM
Sorry for this long break, i've had to found an enterprise to my work experience to my studies 'nd it take me lot of time. Now it's cool i've some time so i will post in this week the studies of this body.
See you next
April 10th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Great, im looking forward to seeing your new studies, keep up the good work!. :asspat:
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