So Bad It's Amazing Political Comic

[Dorkthrone]

I don't exactly know where I found this.
Meet Brent Rhineheart, the country commissioner of Oklahoma City.
Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080717_12_OKLA363263)
He's hired someone to draw a political comic book based on his life and mail it to Oklahoma City voters.

The problem is, said comic is completely insane. And horribly drawn.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/comic.pdf

[Ilaekae]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. .


...choke...cough...

[Dorkthrone]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. .


...choke...cough...

That's definitely how I'd react to it.

There's so much wrong about it. The perspective, the anatomy, the....everything!

[Zaxser]

And here I thought no one was less subtle than Jack Chick. Thanks to the internet, I have been proven wrong once again.

All hail the interwebs!

[Dorkthrone]

And here I thought no one was less subtle than Jack Chick. Thanks to the internet, I have been proven wrong once again.

All hail the interwebs!
ZOMG WTF R U TALKING ABOUT?!!! Jack Chick is very nuanced! Just like Michael Bay!

Seriously though, Jack Chick's stuff is comparable to Kurt Vonnegut when put next to this comic. When those are better drawn and more nuanced than your comic, then you've got a serious problem.

[Jason Rainville]

Why did I read all that?

I have this weird picture in my head of older out-of touch conservatives who receive this thinking it's cool, and thinking they're cool for reading a 'comic' about a public official they support.

"Look here son, daddy's cool now too!"

[Mirana]

Were all the other artists in town liberals.....?

I thought I could stop reading, but it's definitely awesome when the comic misspells pedophile two different ways a page apart. Fav part is the roman dude luring the boy scout out of the woods. Also, I'm confused...where I come from liberals/democrats do not equal "good ol' boy." What?

[Dorkthrone]

Were all the other artists in town liberals.....?

I thought I could stop reading, but it's definitely awesome when the comic misspells pedophile two different ways a page apart. Fav part is the roman dude luring the boy scout out of the woods. Also, I'm confused...where I come from liberals/democrats do not equal "good ol' boy." What?

The anatomy skills are totally rawkage, man!

[BadGeometry]

And here I thought no one was less subtle than Jack Chick. Thanks to the internet, I have been proven wrong once again.

All hail the interwebs!

The only way I've kept myself sane is by convincing myself that Jack Chick is just a very good, professional troll.

Seriously, D&D = Witchcraft? C'mon!

[Ilaekae]

...and there are people here who are afraid to try POW! because they don't think they can do a comic. Migawd...

[Moai]

I like the lady with brains for hair.

[Dorkthrone]

The only way I've kept myself sane is by convincing myself that Jack Chick is just a very good, professional troll.

Seriously, D&D = Witchcraft? C'mon!Sometimes, I think he's an elaborate troll too. Just look at the insanity that is Moving On Up! (http://www.enterthejabberwock.com/?p=642#more-642)

[Cepro]

I didn't know beeing a homosexual and beeing a pedophile was actually the same thing.
Looks like I learned something.

[~Faust~]

that...was...AWESOME!!!

[Wayfaring Stranger]

One of my favorite parts was where the kids were skanking around the track that Commissioner Rinehart paved.

[Sepulverture]

giggle giggle laugh laugh chuckle chuckle wince wince

[NathanLong]

Roads Scholar?

[entdroid]

Holy shit... I seriously can't believe that's for real :nohope:

[Ryuartyi]

............

They paid this guy? I thought I didn't have the greatest sense of perspective, but his comic takes the cake.

[Jabo]

Haha, the gay guy holding up the sign reading "I want to be a boyscout leader!"… I lol'd…

[Stoat]

That brightened my day considerably. I think I spotted poor Randy "Peter Pan" Constan in there.

[Blue]

Wow...

[Ilaekae]

Positive proof that this is the US of A, where anyone can get a head...and these guys definitely need new ones...

[rustikof]

:wtf:

i...just don't understand how people like that still exist in this day and age. .....i'm..sorry world. i apologize on behalf of the united states. i promise not everyones like that....:[

[Orunitier]

That was moronic...and "good ol' boys" aren't liberal. What the hell??

[Jason Rainville]

This week's POW challenge:

Research Brent Rhineheart's opposition, then represent that opposition in a counter-comic featuring art that blows the original's out of the water, to be sent via email around the area.

...




What? I'd try.... :)

[Stoat]

:wtf:

i...just don't understand how people like that still exist in this day and age. .....i'm..sorry world. i apologize on behalf of the united states. i promise not everyones like that....:[

Whoa. Dude. Don't apologize for me. If you think the US has more backward yahoos who hate gays than average for the rest of the world, read more newspapers. All the best ones are online now.

[Dorkthrone]

This week's POW challenge:

Research Brent Rhineheart's opposition, then represent that opposition in a counter-comic featuring art that blows the original's out of the water, to be sent via email around the area.

...




What? I'd try.... :)
That would be so epic.

[Red Fleet]

Wow. Just... oh man. Has this man never heard of a ruler?

Edit - Just saw the part where he creates a cash savings plan that saves money by not going to the bank to get it. I did not realize that putting money in a bank actually cost me money. Maybe I ought to start putting all of my money in a burlap sack...

[Infinit]

my favorit part is where ho holds up a dollar but instead of DRAWING a $ in a box he just writes "one dollar" on into a box which is far too long to represent a normal bill

[Peter Coene]

I figured that this was really an example given out by the other side pretending to be for him and in doing so making his political campaign look like a joke...

I sincerely hope that there's more to this guys campaign than this...

[Peter Coene]

:wtf:

i...just don't understand how people like that still exist in this day and age. .....i'm..sorry world. i apologize on behalf of the united states. i promise not everyones like that....:[

Whoa there, the comic is shit, but stop apologizing for the message or the people who espouse it. People are allowed to think what they want to and there is no need for anyone else to apologize to the rest of the world for it.

[Sundance]

I think the artist was from the right wing inbreeding program...

In Oklahoma the Democrats actually are the Good 'Ol Boys. OK is a historicly Democratic state, but over the last eight years they have been drifting to the right...I guess because of the great job and example set by GW (<--sarcasm).

If this jackass wins any office in Tulsa County with a campaign like that...I'm going to have to stop telling people that I'm originally from Oklahoma. I already hate that I currently reside in this ass backwards state of Texas.

[Ilaekae]

"I figured that this was really an example given out by the other side pretending to be for him and in doing so making his political campaign look like a joke..."

Peter, I can't even fathom where this thought can come from, and I sincerely mean NO OFFENSE. The man's campaign paid for it, announced it in advance, and he's commented on it in advance. Exactly how far does somebody have to go before you'll even begin to POSSIBLY accept that they're a complete fucking bigot with the cranial capacity of a stewed prune? I come from the extreme opposite side of the political spectrum from you (based on what I've seen of your postings), but even I wouldn't try to excuse the Weathermen or Beider Meinhoff (sp?) of being misguided but dedicated warriors for a just cause. They were fucking murderers. This guy is an asshole who should be buried up to his neck in pig shit for a few years to ponder the meaning of true Christian behavior.

Maybe I misread what you actually intended as sarcasm, but I don't think so. If not, just how far are you planning on going in accusing everyone else in the world of being devious conspiratorial bastards out to get those with your political stance with lies and misinformation just to prove they're ALWAYS right?

[~Faust~]

it's Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof (Actually, she looked quite nice, Ima gonna paint a portrait of her...)

Oh and I agree, that guy is a moron that's looked down upon by his fellow rebublicans also according to the article in the link.

[Peter Coene]

"I figured that this was really an example given out by the other side pretending to be for him and in doing so making his political campaign look like a joke..."

Peter, I can't even fathom where this thought can come from, and I sincerely mean NO OFFENSE. The man's campaign paid for it, announced it in advance, and he's commented on it in advance. Exactly how far does somebody have to go before you'll even begin to POSSIBLY accept that they're a complete fucking bigot with the cranial capacity of a stewed prune? I come from the extreme opposite side of the political spectrum from you (based on what I've seen of your postings), but even I wouldn't try to excuse the Weathermen or Beider Meinhoff (sp?) of being misguided but dedicated warriors for a just cause. They were fucking murderers. This guy is an asshole who should be buried up to his neck in pig shit for a few years to ponder the meaning of true Christian behavior.

Maybe I misread what you actually intended as sarcasm, but I don't think so. If not, just how far are you planning on going in accusing everyone else in the world of being devious conspiratorial bastards out to get those with your political stance with lies and misinformation just to prove they're ALWAYS right?

Um, I said I figured, not that I was right. And when I was figuring it I saw it more as a genius and somewhat juvenile prank, not a devious conspiracy. (sort of like the Mad TV skits where someone pretends to be W and says something like "I'm George Bush an I approvified, er 'scuze me, approvificated this message.") Po-tay-to po-tah-to I guess. For me it was just hard to figure how anyone on either side would be willing to pay for such a low quality product which will hurt their campaign more than it could ever help it. As for his views, I don't really care, if that is what the sooners want then they can vote for him. I myself didn't even read too much of the drivel because the art hurt my eyes.

Also please notice that my second line should indicate that by the time of posting I had figured out it wasn't a joke, which was why I was hoping he had figured out better ways of campaigning than very poorly drawn comics.

[Ilaekae]

Thanks for the explanation. I was starting to decide whether to have you committed or not for your own good... :P :)

[Ilaekae]

And thanks for help with my spelling, Faust. I have trouble with english, let alone german. I thought Ulrike was kinda cute, myself. :P

The RAF was just starting up when I was involved in the underground in the US, and while we sometimes communicated back and forth with the Euro groups, we pretty much considered RAF a bunch of over-the-top nut jobs making things harder for the rest of us...

[~Faust~]

Yeah the RAF really spoiled the fun in our 68s movement. But you probably know that the violence and the extremist tendencies were in part caused by the (probably accidental) homicide of student leader Rudi Dutschke. You know, other than you over the ocean, we germans still had those people in power from 30 years before then, especially within the economic area so the propaganda and retaliation attempts of our government really had a slightly more aggressive tone (I read some of the politicians speeches of that time, it's really disgusting), I spoke with my parents about this a bunch of times, they were attending university during those years.

On the other hand, I really feel that in europe, namely France and Germany, the 68s actually made a difference, making concern for social inequities, environmental issues and militrized conflicts the moral standard for the years to come. Hell, I don't even think the EU would be possible without this shift of thinking.
On the other hand, I heard that in the US the movement didn't really leave much substantial, but of course Idon't know.
I do see, however, that in general you find it okay that there are poor people in your country, that the environment is not really an issue and that war is a legitimate tool of foreign policy. I don't want to polarize, I'm just really interested what change did _you_ bring?

[silvestri99]

I couldn't do it.....I tried to read all the way through...but I just couldn't do it. Man, I need to wash my eyeballs.

And as far as good ol' boys being liberals....yeah, it's like that in Seattle, conservatives are definitely the underdogs.

[Serpian]

I love how his enemies say that he "asks to many questions" on the last page.

[Stoat]

Hey, it's the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon (http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=417)! Except it's not, yet. I don't think it counts when all the mentions are in the same conversation. But look out for it in the next few days :)

[Peter Coene]

I do see, however, that in general you find it okay that there are poor people in your country, that the environment is not really an issue and that war is a legitimate tool of foreign policy. I don't want to polarize, I'm just really interested what change did _you_ bring?
1. poor people: Basically everyone in America has the opportunity to earn a living. Granted, thats like saying that all citizens have the opportunity to become president. Not everyone will earn their way off the streets just as not everyone with make it to the white house, but the opportunity is there.

However, we also have a tradition of a hands off type of government. After all, it is one of the things we fought for to create this nation in the first place. However, if you look at it having people rely on the government dole leads to an obtrusive government. People rely on the the state rather than their own intuition, and sooner or later start voting for whoever is offering to give them more money rather than issues that should matter. It makes them slaves of the government.

You also have to realise that with our economy going the way that it is, the last thing we need to do is spend money on more things that will not feed back into the system. We look at countries where the minimum wage is close to or lower than the unemployment rate and are horrified because by definition it means more people will be living by draining the economy rather than paying into it. We can not support our economy by trade alone, especially when we have reached the point where we have become a service economy, where everything we export was made somewhere else and in all the industries that we used to be known for, such as cars oil and steel steel, we have been surpassed by other nations around the world. We cannot aford the luxury of pretending that we can eliminate the lower classes. What we can do is give to them the same thing we give to everyone else: free education, the right to vote if they are a citizen, the right to live here if they are here legally, all the rights spelled out in the constitution and its ammendments, and a chance at life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

2. The environment: There are so many mixed studies about the environment that it is difficult to say what type of an issue it is. As it sits, it is nothing more than fear mongering. One side says "vote for us or the terrorists are gonna getcha" and the other says "vote fore us or a hole in the ozone layer is gonna getcha." One side points at charts and studies (which disagree with other charts and studies) and the other side points at a spot where some buildings once stood.

3. war: War IS a legitimate tool of foreign policy. Its not a happy one, its not one that everyone likes, but that doesn't change that it is. Also, if you look at out history it has worked for us. Don't like the British? Go to war. British are being a pain in the ass again? Go to war and pray for a war somewhere else to distract them. Part of your country wanting to break off and be its own country? Kick their ass into submission and call them hicks for the rest of your country's history. Spain loosing power and you want to improve relations with your neighbors while making the news interesting? Call up Teddy Roosevelt and have him act like a cowboy while going to war with them. Europe tearing themselves to shreds and you want a piece of the action? Choose the side that looks like it would have a better chance of winning if you helped them out and go to war with whoever they are fighting. (Or, if it looks too close to call, just go against the guys speaking German). Europe at it again and the Japanese pissing you off? Guess what? You can get 2 in 1. Russia acting like they are going to make a move for the rest of Europe while already owning half of it? Threaten them with war and look macho.

How can we say that war is not a legitimate tool of foreign policy when it has worked brilliantly for over 3/4 of our history? As stated, it isn't pretty, nobody likes it (or at least, nobody should like it) and it should be avoided when another viable option is on the table, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the toolbox.

(ok, I know somebody is going to complain that I screwed up/misrepresented/abbridged/rearranged/edited history. Please back off. The point is not how we got into the wars but that we did and it solved the problem. I'm no going to go into a master's thesis on the cause of every was in US history, this post got waaay to long as it is. and we don't need a tangent about silly little details of a post that was already somewhat tangential)

[Sundance]

(ok, I know somebody is going to complain that I screwed up/misrepresented/abbridged/rearranged/edited history. Please back off. The point is not how we got into the wars but that we did and it solved the problem. I'm no going to go into a master's thesis on the cause of every was in US history, this post got waaay to long as it is. and we don't need a tangent about silly little details of a post that was already somewhat tangential)

Perhaps you should have left the question to be answered by Ilaekae, since it was directed to him.

[Peter Coene]

Perhaps you should have left the question to be answered by Ilaekae, since it was directed to him.

*shrug* I'm sure Illy has his own opinions as well, but a few more to add a diversity of views can't hurt. I'm just as American as Ilaekae is; I'm just as qualified to answer questions or comments about views held by Americans, or at least by one specific American: myself.

[Ilaekae]

1. I AM preparing an answer for Faust, but right now, I have a few things that are just a tad bit more important to do on my house.

2. Peter, don't make assumptions after posting what I can only refer to, as politely as I can, a bunch of neo-fascist bullshit. "I'm just as American as Ilaekae is..." I am not an "American" in any sense of the word you would accept--I am an educated independent citizen of the United States of America that believes in the Constitution and Bill of Rights that form its basis for being.

I don't believe in a "lower class" or any other secondary status for anyone, no matter what their circumstances. You words are your own worst enemy, and because of your jumping in with your rhetoric, I NOW have TWO long and boring essays to write.

3. "...we don't need a tangent about silly little details of a post that was already somewhat tangential)"

I can't believe you even made that statement with a straight face after saying war "...worked brilliantly for over 3/4 of our history..." If I could, I'd pass it on to the roughly 300 members of my family and friends that died "brilliantly" in the last 50 years or so. They'd enjoy a good laugh about now.

No more discussion from me in this thread til i answer Faust and Peter in detail. Thank you for your patience.

[Books]

WAY OFF TOPIC... but if there's a slight political debate I get all excited... my apologies in advance...

We cannot aford the luxury of pretending that we can eliminate the lower classes. What we can do is give to them the same thing we give to everyone else: free education, the right to vote if they are a citizen, the right to live here if they are here legally, all the rights spelled out in the constitution and its ammendments, and a chance at life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

We have it, we really just don't have access to it as freely as we say it. We shouldn't have 'lower classes' either, but that's not going to happen. Work hard, work smart, get a little lucky, you'll outpace the others, just how it works. I need to work more.


2. The environment: There are so many mixed studies about the environment that it is difficult to say what type of an issue it is. As it sits, it is nothing more than fear mongering. One side says "vote for us or the terrorists are gonna getcha" and the other says "vote fore us or a hole in the ozone layer is gonna getcha." One side points at charts and studies (which disagree with other charts and studies) and the other side points at a spot where some buildings once stood.

That's total drivel. In reality the scientific consensus is that we are farking up our environment. You KNOW things are wrong when there's an air pollution index in your morning weather report, letting you know what areas to stay clear of for extended periods of time. (Atlanta, Los Angeles come to mind immediately). You should also realize, "Hey, I think the environment ISN'T doing well." when the EPA itself declares most of our waterways as not safe to drink and fish in (and we know how slow the EPA is). It wasn't always like that, but it is now. Red Tide, Gulf of Mexico deadzone, encroaching sea grass... products of phosphorus and fertilizers and other crap. You can't even pretend there isn't a problem, but you can ignore it, or you can try and muddle the truth ('scientists' commissioned for religious agendas... because for some reason science in general is evil and anything hippies support is a sin, so the environment is screwed because those two sides (science, hippies) support it. Guilt by association, like a witch trial. Honestly, anyone should see it's in our best interest to love and support our environment, regardless of what political group is banging the drums. If deeds speak louder than words, then Republicans suck in that respect.

3. war: War IS a legitimate tool of foreign policy. Its not a happy one, its not one that everyone likes, but that doesn't change that it is. Also, if you look at out history it has worked for us. Don't like the British? Go to war. British are being a pain in the ass again? Go to war and pray for a war somewhere else to distract them. Part of your country wanting to break off and be its own country? Kick their ass into submission and call them hicks for the rest of your country's history. Spain loosing power and you want to improve relations with your neighbors while making the news interesting? Call up Teddy Roosevelt and have him act like a cowboy while going to war with them. Europe tearing themselves to shreds and you want a piece of the action? Choose the side that looks like it would have a better chance of winning if you helped them out and go to war with whoever they are fighting. (Or, if it looks too close to call, just go against the guys speaking German). Europe at it again and the Japanese pissing you off? Guess what? You can get 2 in 1. Russia acting like they are going to make a move for the rest of Europe while already owning half of it? Threaten them with war and look macho.

How can we say that war is not a legitimate tool of foreign policy when it has worked brilliantly for over 3/4 of our history? As stated, it isn't pretty, nobody likes it (or at least, nobody should like it) and it should be avoided when another viable option is on the table, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the toolbox.

I don't think millions of people losing their lives should be considered "worked brilliantly". Everything above described for 'war', in my opinion, should be listed under mistakes of diplomacy and the results of false pride and the vices of men. Yes, you can think it works great when you win, but you still have families who's children won't come home on both sides. Although I think 'pride' is going to be removed the the deadly sins list sooner or later, we seem to love it. It's not a perfect world, wars will be had, sometimes they need to be, but I think lately we're just jumping the gun because everyone hates each other. I just never think it's a good idea. War in defense, fine, but we just don't seem to be really 'defending' anything as of late.

(ok, I know somebody is going to complain that I screwed up/misrepresented/abbridged/rearranged/edited history. Please back off. The point is not how we got into the wars but that we did and it solved the problem. I'm no going to go into a master's thesis on the cause of every was in US history, this post got waaay to long as it is. and we don't need a tangent about silly little details of a post that was already somewhat tangential)

No man, that IS the point. False truths, misconceptions, ignorance, and the twisting of fact IS what gets us into trouble. People linking IRAQ with 9/11, that's one of those 'feelings' proven time and time again to be wrong. Brought about by our stereotypes of what and where a terrorist is, probably, or a fear of Muslims, maybe. The idea that war is a good solution at times, simply because our nations hasn't LOST, and how can you doubt that winning feeling? Maybe that the environment isn't suffering, because it doesn't look like Mad Max and I can breath the air and drink the water from my tap just fine.

The whole 'well what do I know' because we're not all scientists and historians defense chaps my ass. To me it's an excuse. People's willingness to accept their own ignorance as some sort of blessed defense against a world filled with gray areas and tough questions is disgusting, in my very personal opinion.

BACK TO THE COMIC

As a Democrat I hate the way this comic portrays us as supporting pedophilia and molestation. I think the comic is brilliant, it's so childish it seems harmless, but it just reinforces stereotypes and hatred against homosexuals and non Republicans. Yet, if I tried to get up in arms people would laugh at me for being concerned about something so laughable, which is why the comic is awesome, perfect defense, it looks at home put up on a fridge with magnets. I mean, I know not all Republicans are bigots, racists, and Klansmen, but most bigots, racists, and Klansmen I know, are Republican, doh. Wretched... amusing... horrible comic. I really don't know any Klansmen, btw, but I'm sure they're not voting for Obama, lol. That's me being inflammatory.

I want a copy of this comic. It will join the comics I have on dinosaurs (fossils are the handiwork of the devil) and that evolution is a sinful religion... both of which I got in my trick or treat basket when I was little (8 or 9 ish). Can you imagine, getting a comic, with dinosaurs as a kid only to open it and have it tell me that I may or may not be burning in Hell for all eternity by believing in them!? It's good though, I didn't know homo's were identified by dressing in togas... glad I didn't rush for that fraternity in college.

[JL.Alfaro]

Ladies n gentlemen I give you Shane Suiters...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2679845312_76b65292d6_o.jpg


link (http://www.thelostogle.com/2008/07/18/is-this-the-guy-who-designed-the-brent-rinehart-comic-book/) I found enough comedy here to last me a month...try googling his name

[Stoat]

Practice makes perfect!

[Peter Coene]

1. I AM preparing an answer for Faust, but right now, I have a few things that are just a tad bit more important to do on my house.

2. Peter, don't make assumptions after posting what I can only refer to, as politely as I can, a bunch of neo-fascist bullshit. "I'm just as American as Ilaekae is..." I am not an "American" in any sense of the word you would accept--I am an educated independent citizen of the United States of America that believes in the Constitution and Bill of Rights that form its basis for being.
Wait, and is that somehow not "American?" An American who wants to change his county so that it will be better (even if his opinion of better is different than mine) is just as American as one who loves his country the way that it is.

I don't believe in a "lower class" or any other secondary status for anyone, no matter what their circumstances. You words are your own worst enemy, and because of your jumping in with your rhetoric, I NOW have TWO long and boring essays to write.
I believe in a poorer class because such a class does exist. If is didn't we would not have welfare, tax brackets, or any of the other junk that we have. People who are poor exist, and the very laws that we make to help them designate them as separate class.

3. "...we don't need a tangent about silly little details of a post that was already somewhat tangential)"

I can't believe you even made that statement with a straight face after saying war "...worked brilliantly for over 3/4 of our history..." If I could, I'd pass it on to the roughly 300 members of my family and friends that died "brilliantly" in the last 50 years or so. They'd enjoy a good laugh about now.
Well, the last 50 years or so doesn't fit into the 3/4 of our history that I was referring to. Sorry to hear about them, they had the bad luck of being in wars from the 1/4 of our more recent history where war didn't work so great. Just because I think it is a legitimate tool of foreign policy does not mean that it should be used in every situation, just like how you don't use a hammer wen what you need is a screwdriver.

However, I would also like to point out the countless members of my family who fought in just about all of America's wars before that. I'm sure that they'd be eager to hear your propositions about how to get rid of Hitler with love and flowers, or how to get the British to leave peacefully so you can build the nation that you think aught to be there.

WAY OFF TOPIC... but if there's a slight political debate I get all excited... my apologies in advance...
That can be a dangerous thing around here, I know from experience.

That's total drivel. In reality the scientific consensus is that we are farking up our environment. You KNOW things are wrong when there's an air pollution index in your morning weather report, letting you know what areas to stay clear of for extended periods of time. (Atlanta, Los Angeles come to mind immediately). You should also realize, "Hey, I think the environment ISN'T doing well." when the EPA itself declares most of our waterways as not safe to drink and fish in (and we know how slow the EPA is). It wasn't always like that, but it is now. Red Tide, Gulf of Mexico deadzone, encroaching sea grass... products of phosphorus and fertilizers and other crap. You can't even pretend there isn't a problem, but you can ignore it, or you can try and muddle the truth ('scientists' commissioned for religious agendas... because for some reason science in general is evil and anything hippies support is a sin, so the environment is screwed because those two sides (science, hippies) support it. Guilt by association, like a witch trial. Honestly, anyone should see it's in our best interest to love and support our environment, regardless of what political group is banging the drums. If deeds speak louder than words, then Republicans suck in that respect.
And here we have the typical example of blowing things waaaaaay out of proportion the was that the democratic party is apt to. Its not the end of the world. Yes, things change and in some ways we effect those things, but its nowhere near as bad as things once were. Did you know that rivers used to catch on fire because of all the chemicals they had in them? Compare the way that Pittsburgh looks now to the way it was in the early 1900's when the entire city was covered in char and soot from the nearby coal burning factories.

Also I'm not saying that there isn't a problem, but instead that the problem is being used as a source for political fear mongering. Lets face it, it is. Politicians are politicians are politicians. Whether the problem is real or not they will gladly grab it and blow it out of proportion if it will scare people into voting for them. Seeing as you prescribe to a political party I can see that it worked.

I don't think millions of people losing their lives should be considered "worked brilliantly". Everything above described for 'war', in my opinion, should be listed under mistakes of diplomacy and the results of false pride and the vices of men.
Um, care to elaborate? Are you saying that trying to fight off Hitler was a mistake of diplomacy? That the declaration of Independence is an example of the vices of men? If so then I can't say that I agree.

Yes, you can think it works great when you win, but you still have families who's children won't come home on both sides. Although I think 'pride' is going to be removed the the deadly sins list sooner or later, we seem to love it. It's not a perfect world, wars will be had, sometimes they need to be, but I think lately we're just jumping the gun because everyone hates each other. I just never think it's a good idea. War in defense, fine, but we just don't seem to be really 'defending' anything as of late.

I'm not a huge fan of our most recent war either. Not that I'm against having gone in, but I'm against what it has turned into. I have stated before and am stating again that it is not fun. Nobody likes it. That does not mean it should not ever be removed from the list of what we think of as viable options. I also have to disagree in saying that war should only be for protection. WW2's European front was not about protecting ourselves, the nation that had attacked us was Japan, and we went to war with Germany, yet most of us can agree that we were justified in fighting that war and the reason that they always give for why it was ok to take on Germany is that the Nazis were bad guys.

No man, that IS the point. False truths, misconceptions, ignorance, and the twisting of fact IS what gets us into trouble. People linking IRAQ with 9/11, that's one of those 'feelings' proven time and time again to be wrong. Brought about by our stereotypes of what and where a terrorist is, probably, or a fear of Muslims, maybe. The idea that war is a good solution at times, simply because our nations hasn't LOST, and how can you doubt that winning feeling? Maybe that the environment isn't suffering, because it doesn't look like Mad Max and I can breath the air and drink the water from my tap just fine.
Hmm, you smashed about 10 different issues into a paragraph. Sorry, I should have noticed this unintelligible mess before deciding that your post deserved a reply.

[James Kei]

Sigh,
I knew Peter would give this thread a proper derailing.

Weren't you banned from the lounge?


Ilaekae, don't waste you breath on him. It's a lost cause.

[Peter Coene]

Sigh,
I knew Peter would give this thread a proper derailing.

Weren't you banned from the lounge?


Ilaekae, don't waste you breath on him. It's a lost cause.
Oh thanks for bringing that up, why don't you tear off the scab and smear salty lemon juice on it. So much for all that bullshit about trying to "help" me.

And why is it wasting breath to have a conversation with me? Since I don't follow some sort of prescribed political mold you're afraid that you might inhale some sort of disease? Or is it that you have a prejudice against anyone who doesn't let the democratic party shove its ideals up his ass?

[Sundance]

Pete, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. To deny you of that opinion would certainly be Un-American. However, I believe Faust was asking Ilaekae specifically about results that came from the movement to bring about social change (of which he was a member back in the 60's and 70's).

I don't think Faust was generally interested in what the average Americans feelings were about our current social or political environment. I certainly had my own thoughts and opinions about the questions asked; but refrained from elaborating since I can't speak for "what changes came about from Ilaekae's actions" which was the true question.

I'll drop off now, but I am interested to see what Ilaekae writes of his impact on history. Alas, I'll apparently have to wait for the toilet paper dispenser to be installed....

[MiniGoth]

My big complaint - some asshat that can't draw got paid to make that, and I can't find a job at my skill level(which isn't great, but I can do better than THAT).

[Stoat]

...too much...angst...must make...smartass remark...

C'mon, folks. This isn't a thread about serious politics. It's about how much that guy sucks and how glad we are, severally and together, that we don't suck that bad.

Am I right?

[Peter Coene]

...too much...angst...must make...smartass remark...

C'mon, folks. This isn't a thread about serious politics. It's about how much that guy sucks and how glad we are, severally and together, that we don't suck that bad.

Am I right?

the artist or the politician?

[Stoat]

Both! None of us sucks as much as either of them!

If you read the associated article, even his co-Republicans think the politician is a nutter...and the artist's work speaks for itself. This is the perfect aesthetic intersection of crazy and bad.

Savor it.

Savor. It.

[Ilaekae]

"C'mon, folks. This isn't a thread about serious politics. It's about how much that guy sucks and how glad we are, severally and together, that we don't suck that bad.

Am I right?"






Hold on...hold on...

...I'm thinking...








:P

[Stoat]

Heh. If you've worked up a decent rant, Ilaekae, let 'er rip. I'll just go play in the Critique Center until it blows over...

[Peter Coene]

If you read the associated article, even his co-Republicans think the politician is a nutter...and the artist's work speaks for itself.

I personally like the nutty politicians, they make life more interesting.

[Mirana]

Hmm, more political essay posts? Here, this illustrates the futility well: :frustrated:

:P

I want a copy of this comic. It will join the comics I have on dinosaurs (fossils are the handiwork of the devil) and that evolution is a sinful religion... both of which I got in my trick or treat basket when I was little (8 or 9 ish).

It is SO WRONG that I thought the same thing. I'd never seen one of those "disguised" comics before and somehow one got into our collection of crap from a con. I LOVED it for being so fantastically ridiculous. It went in with my other mini-comics. I wish I had a copy of this one to add to my "So horrifically bad, it's AWESOME" collection. :D

[Black Spot]

I personally like the nutty politicians, they make life more interesting.

You'll love this one (http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/03.11/01-mockus.html)

[cptjack]

Wow, now that's a political comic.

[Peter Coene]

You'll love this one (http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/03.11/01-mockus.html)

That is frickin' AWESOME!

Except the mimes... *shudders*

[Stoat]

I'd give a lot for the chance to run over a traffic mime.

[arttorney]

These guys are visionary politicians and you all are just a bunch of haters.

I especially think it is important to budget ourselves for more public art featuring airplanes with human heads. I think the presidential debates should be mimed.

[walnut]

Mockus for President!

[Peter Coene]

Mockus for President!

I'm voting for Harvey Dent

[Books]

Sorry, I should have noticed this unintelligible mess before deciding that your post deserved a reply.

So you didn't read it before you jumped to all your conclusions is what you're saying? Sorry Peter, I can't hear what you're saying, your actions are speaking too loudly.

[Peter Coene]

So you didn't read it before you jumped to all your conclusions is what you're saying? Sorry Peter, I can't hear what you're saying, your actions are speaking too loudly.
I did read it, I just didn't notice what a juvenile mess of radical bullshit it was until trying to reply to it.

[jhgoforth]

Hmm I'd have thought a kid in junior high drew that..maybe even the politician's kids. To see the supposed pic of the guy and that he's a local tattoo artist? I'm speechless.


Edit: just found an article about Rinehart losing the runoff election, so his own party wouldn't even nominate him? sad sad day for that lovely comic book co-creator. lol.

http://www.politicker.com/oklahoma-politicians-offensive-comic-book-doesnt-win-him-re-election

[Dorkthrone]

Hmm I'd have thought a kid in junior high drew that..maybe even the politician's kids. To see the supposed pic of the guy and that he's a local tattoo artist? I'm speechless.


Edit: just found an article about Rinehart losing the runoff election, so his own party wouldn't even nominate him? sad sad day for that lovely comic book co-creator. lol.

http://www.politicker.com/oklahoma-politicians-offensive-comic-book-doesnt-win-him-re-election

Well, at least he can go on to make comics for the McCain campaign.