turpenoid natural.

[DragonGX]

Turpenoid Natural

I noticed that the Turpenoid Natural can didnt have any of the inhalation or toxic warnings that regular turpenoid has..

Since Ive moved back to utah, ive been trying to figure out a way to paint in oils indoors, since its getting cold outsdie and will start snowing soon, and I really only have a few smaller spaces with limited ventilation to work in..

Is turpenoid natural safe to use in my situation?

[negativespace]

I've used Turpenoid Natural before but it still has distinct smell to it. If you are sensitive to smells, then I would use Gamblin Gamsol. It has no odor at all which might be better when working in a small space. I am unsure about the toxicity of it though.

[dbclemons]

Have you considered water mixable oils? They have a similar texture to regular oil paint and clean up with just water.

-David

[DragonGX]

Originally posted by dbclemons
Have you considered water mixable oils? They have a similar texture to regular oil paint and clean up with just water.

-David

Ive used them before.. They're still very difficult to clean with jsut water.. It is possible, but I'm afraid that itwould wear brushes out faster.

I jsut dont want to risk my health by using a solvent that has health dangers. Turp Natural sounded like it would be safe to use in close quarters because it didn't have any warning labels on it like the regular turpenoid can had..

[Elwell]

If you really do have any genuine chemical sensitivities, Tupenoid "Natural" is just as bad, if not worse, than OMS. You're not supposed to use it to thin paint anyway, and it won't work in mediums, so it's really only good for cleaning brushes. In which case, ordinary kitchen vegetable oil followed by soap and water will do just as good a job. The only real use I've found for TN is rescuing hardened brushes and cleaning out palette cups.

I'd advise using either Gamsol or regular Turpenoid and keeping your solvent jar covered whenever you're not using it. If you keep an exhaust fan running while you're working and take it out when you're not it shouldn't get too cold, even during those Utah winters.

[DragonGX]

Why can't you use it to thin paint?

[jrr]

lol, have you seen the stuff? it's thick.

[DragonGX]

Originally posted by jrr
lol, have you seen the stuff? it's thick.

Thick?? I haven't used it.. I didnt know..

[dbclemons]

Solvents break down the binder, linseed oil. You could use turps to lay down a thin wash underpainting, but use too much and there won't be enough binder to hold the pigment, plus the paint dries in an uneven finish. Mix it with a medium like linseed oil and it will work better.

P.S. I don't have much trouble cleaning water mixable paints, myself, but I'm rather anal about keeping brushes constantly clean. I've only used W&N's Artisan.

-David

[Elwell]

Originally posted by DragonGX
Why can't you use it to thin paint?

It doesn't evaporate and doesn't really dry, so if you use too much of it you'll just end up with a sticky mess. Plus, its solvent action on dried paint is really strong, so if you're working in layers you could completely dissolve your underpainting.

[Pencil Soldier]

Try using acrylics with some stuff to retard the drying rate.

[MadSamoan]

Turpenoid natural is kind of a quirky solvent. It can be used quite effectively. However, you can't use it like you would normally use a standard turp. You can't use it as a thinner for washes because it past the 50% point of dilution, it breaks up and won't hold pigment properly. Also, it's a very very slow drier, which rules out washes, but it is really good for working wet on wet. Also when it dries, it dries very sticky. It is non-toxic however, but it's odor is often just as strong smelling as some solvents. I know painters that love the stuff, Morgan Weistling for example, but he doesn't use washes and his painting approach is a difficult one to master.

I would recommend Gamsol. It has no odor and it evaporates quickly. It does however make your oil paint dry a little faster than when using some other turps. There's also another solvent called Bio Shield which is supposed pretty safe compared to turpenoid.

[AmishCommy]

waht about using just plain mineral spirits from home depot? are those just as toxic as the other turps?

[MadSamoan]

There's a line of odorless mineral spirits that's really good call 'Sunnyvine' I think. It comes in a white bottle/can/jug with a yellow label. It's a great brand too, odorless and they sell it at both art stores and hardware stores.

The real generic stuff that's sold at only hardware stores, you might want to avoid. Even though it's odorless, I could tell when my roommate was painting, because I'd start getting lightheaded and ill even though I couldn't smell anything and it was labeled low odor mineral spirits. I immediately bought him some Sunnyvine mineral spirits and never had problems again.

[stephen]

I used that natural stuff for awhile and learned first hand about its drying, like madsamoan said, it drys really sticky, and im not sure if that goes away? i think ive had a painting for a year and its still feels like it never did dry .. :|

but it is really nice for cleaning brushes i think.

[Elwell]

Originally posted by MadSamoan
There's a line of odorless mineral spirits that's really good call 'Sunnyvine' I think.
Sunnyside

[AmishCommy]

in my experience i've never tried odorles turps that didn't smell just as bad as regular turp. even turpenoid smells. hell, if you use the stuff thats bad for your health at least you can be confident that your werk will go up in value sooner cause you'll die sooner.

[DragonGX]

I just want something that is safe to use in somewhat confined spaces with limited ventilation..

Sounds like Gamsol or Sunnyside is the way to go?

[pvrhye]

I ike gamsol. No smell.

[MadSamoan]

Here's info on Gamsol from Gamblin's website. It still has toxic properties

http://www.gamblincolors.com/msds/gamsol.html

If you can't get any ventilation in your studio, use Bio Shield. Their thinners are supposedly completely non-toxic.

http://www.bioshieldpaint.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=9

[DragonGX]

Where can I find gamsol?

I went to 2 local art stores and 1 lowees and 1 home depot and this is waht IVe found:

REgular Turpenoid - $32 for a gallon (I have a 40% off coupon for 1 store, so it wouldnt be too bad)

and

Odorless mineral spirits - $5 for a gallon from home depot.


That is almost all I could find (a few other brands here and there that ive never heard of, but they were mostly sold in small quantities only..

I couldnt find sunnyside or gamsol anywhere..

[DragonGX]

Originally posted by Pencil Soldier
Try using acrylics with some stuff to retard the drying rate.

Ive already got alot of oil painting supplies, besides I really prefer oils to acrylics, even with medium to increase drying time..

[negativespace]

If you don't mind ordering it online these stores have gamsol:
http://www.dickblick.com/zz004/56/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=3905
http://www.utrecht.com/dsp_view_product.cfm?classID=1116&subclassID=111610&brandname=Gamblin&Item=57701