Joker

[AG.]

drawn on paper first then painted in photoshop.

my deviantart gallery: http://www.andrei08.deviantart.com

[IanE]

Very nice... just as ominous as the real thing!

[AG.]

Very nice... just as ominous as the real thing!

thank you

[stongiloi]

Wow! Nice for setting light.I like it.

[Faxtar]

Right now its looking very photo-manipulation-ish, like you just applied some filters. Take out some paint brushes do some painting, harden some edges, soften some edges, add information that wasn't in the photo, re-establish the light source, change the light source, change the colors, that sort of thing. Dont be too tied to the reference. Also, I wouldn't bother with the watermark; it can only hurt the image, anyone can take it out if they really wanted to, and I think the copyright still belongs to the person who took the original photo.

[Dusty]

Right now its looking very photo-manipulation-ish, like you just applied some filters. Take out some paint brushes do some painting, harden some edges, soften some edges, add information that wasn't in the photo, re-establish the light source, change the light source, change the colors, that sort of thing. Dont be too tied to the reference. Also, I wouldn't bother with the watermark; it can only hurt the image, anyone can take it out if they really wanted to, and I think the copyright still belongs to the person who took the original photo.

Agreed.
Also, I don't see much reason to put deviantart.com on there. All that site is is a place to show your work. Why promote them? Promote yourself.

[AG.]

Right now its looking very photo-manipulation-ish, like you just applied some filters. Take out some paint brushes do some painting, harden some edges, soften some edges, add information that wasn't in the photo, re-establish the light source, change the light source, change the colors, that sort of thing. Dont be too tied to the reference. Also, I wouldn't bother with the watermark; it can only hurt the image, anyone can take it out if they really wanted to, and I think the copyright still belongs to the person who took the original photo.

You're correct, I did use a reference pic. But I find some things that you're saying, a bit strange. I did take out brushes, and I did paint this. From scratch. And I agree, thank you, that watermark does looks a bit silly.

[Danny Tatom]

Looks great :]

[Faxtar]

Hey AG, the sketch looks good, in some ways better than the painted version. I didn't say it *was* a photo-manip, I did say that it *looked* like a photo-manip. I wasn't accusing you of doing a photo-manip, (not that there is anything wrong with that), I was just pointing out that the way you painted it gives the appearance of something a filter would do. The reason its giving off that appearance is that the same painting effect is applied to everything equally like a computer would. There is no "human-hand" to it. So my advice was to do some painting, meaning take a brush and make a stroke that no computer could do. Make a stroke to describe a plane change. Thats what I meant by "do some painting" I guess I worded it poorly. I meant make a painting that looks like a painting. Rather than replicating pixel for pixel what the photo looks like. I guess my advice was to do some more thinking rather than copying.
For instance you could add information, your reference is a photo and in photos the darks are too dark and the lights are too light. You can paint that lost information based on your knowledge. You can re-establish the light source, adding light where you think it belongs. You can harden and soften edges based on your knowledge of how light falls on a form. A cast shadow is hard, and a shadow that is caused by a form rolling away from the light is soft. On a low res photo all the edges are the same, so you need to think should this hard or soft? And paint it the way you think it should go. I think I'm rambling so I'm going to stop talking now. :)

[The Ham]

love the final one. and wicked to see the process stages too.
i love the joker and have a fetish for drawing Mr heaths joker too.
stop making me jelouse of your ability! hope to see more stuff!

[AG.]

love the final one. and wicked to see the process stages too.
i love the joker and have a fetish for drawing Mr heaths joker too.
stop making me jelouse of your ability! hope to see more stuff!

hehe, thanks a lot. If you draw him send me a message, I'm always curious to see other people's takes on him.
And dont worry, I'll be putting my artwork up on this site for a long time.

[madpencil]

First off let me say that I respect and admire anyone's efforts to be creative and I encourage those efforts in young beginning artists. BUT...I can't help but to suspect that the pencil sketch was done after the fact and that it's not part of the process to create the final. I've worked with photoshop every day for the last 12 years and when I saw this the first time I could tell that there were signs of posterization, maybe a median filter and some smudge tool. After looking at the pencil sketch I can see that it doesn't match the shapes in the final art, ie cheek bones, and red makeup, there are also inconsistencies in the hair. I also found the original pic on the web and I'll have to stick with thinking it was a manipulated photo. I also think the process shots were created afterward.

However I like your pencil sketch and I'd like to see a painted version of it. I think it would be a lot better than the photo.

[AG.]

First off let me say that I respect and admire anyone's efforts to be creative and I encourage those efforts in young beginning artists. BUT...I can't help but to suspect that the pencil sketch was done after the fact and that it's not part of the process to create the final. I've worked with photoshop every day for the last 12 years and when I saw this the first time I could tell that there were signs of posterization, maybe a median filter and some smudge tool. After looking at the pencil sketch I can see that it doesn't match the shapes in the final art, ie cheek bones, and red makeup, there are also inconsistencies in the hair. I also found the original pic on the web and I'll have to stick with thinking it was a manipulated photo. I also think the process shots were created afterward.

However I like your pencil sketch and I'd like to see a painted version of it. I think it would be a lot better than the photo.

I find what you're saying a bit disrespectful, but in a way flattering that you think it is a manipulated photo. Let me tell you, this is not a manipulated photo in any way, and I see absolutely no point of lying to you or anyone.

The pencil sketch was done before the painting. You can compare the dates I submitted both pieces here. It's under "details" (I know it's not proving much, but still) :

http://andrei08.deviantart.com/art/Suspense-91664234

http://andrei08.deviantart.com/art/Lets-put-a-smile-on-that-face-91932340

Also, the only filter I might've used was unsharp mask, but I think I didn't use it, because the image looked sharp enough.

And it's true that the final version is a bit different (better imo) than the sketch. That's how it usually is with my art, I tend to change proportions, scale, and any other things when I'm painting in photoshop.

Here is a screenshot of my set-up in photoshop, and a screenshot of the image at 100% (display size) :
I'm curious to reading your reply.

[Dusty]

I am sorry to say, but I am also not sold on the fact that this isn't a photo manip or a paint over. The thing that makes me most suspect is that the rest of your art on your deviantart page isn't really of the same quality...like...at all. There is one that is a self portrait of you that looks great, but it also looks like you just painted over a picture of yourself. The lighting and hair is too perfect when compared to your other work. Also, your "proof" doesn't really show much. You could take any picture, run it through paint daubs or something and then start throwing random strokes over it to make it look like your own with little effort. Finally, I never work flattened on one layer..I always have a ton of layers, so that also strikes me as conjured proof on your part.

I don't mean to be insulting...but that is how it looks. If this is all painted from scratch, then you definitely got a LOT better in like a year, so congratulations on that.



-D

[AG.]

Dusty,
this is all painted from scratch, (on top of the sketch). There's no point in lying and pretending. I did not use any filters, nor did I paint over a photograph.
If you don't believe me, it's a shame. And you having tons of layers while I don't, is not a conjured proof whatsoever. I have images where I have many layers, but it all depends on my mood and approach.

[Elwell]

AG, I believe you. But I also agree with everything Faxtar said in both of his posts.

[NeecHMonkeY]

Originally I thought it was a photo-manipulation but it pretty obvious when looking at the image that you've actually painted it (or at least painted over the original). You can't get stroke effects like that using Photoshop Filters and I recognize many of the brushes used.

[AG.]

Originally I thought it was a photo-manipulation but it pretty obvious when looking at the image that you've actually painted it (or at least painted over the original). You can't get stroke effects like that using Photoshop Filters and I recognize many of the brushes used.

finally someone who sees it! thank you!

[Abronxl]

WHY SO SERIOUS?? :d

[IanE]

...how come nobody causes such a fuss when MindCandyMan does a badass cast drawing that looks BETTER than the photo, yet everyone somehow has time to argue about this one piece?

It's blatantly obvious it was painted! Good job, AG. Just keep this quality work coming and don't let people bring you down, man.

[phoenicorn]

this is great but may I suggest from a personal stance could you put some more texture on his facial scaring extending his mouth. I have seen photos of Joker and I know he has scars to give him his wide grin. but this is an awesome piece. keep up the hard works

[kMh]

I never work flattened on one layer..I always have a ton of layers, so that also strikes me as conjured proof on your part. -D

Dusty - While I to work on more layers than I can handle at 1 time normally, I find that the majority of the professionals on this site use only 1 layer to paint on. So this is not reason enough to hold doubt.


AG. – I think your work is great personally. I to share the feeling with some of the others that it’s almost too real and sometimes making it look like it was painted looks better but, that’s just a matter of personal preference. The fact is your detail and colors are great and you have a lot of talent. Keep it up.

[Ebony-chan]

Well looking at the original picture and then looking at this picture here. I can saw from my point of view that this is not a picture over. There are flaws in this image that aren't in the original picture. This is still a great image in itself but it's not the same as the picture from the dark knight.


I'm surprise that so many people are quick to accuse someone here without even posting the original picture here for everyone to decide for themselves. This is guilty until proven innocent here people.

Here's the picture from the dark knight. I can tell the difference between this picture and the one this artist did can anyone else?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/sic_kid/TheDarkKnightTheJoker13.jpg

[Kir Nuyts]

Why did u paint this for finally finished? U better take the real photo, wich looks better imo (more realism u can t get then the real picture).
If u like to create accurate images of pictures, u better buy a camera ;)

It s nice for an exercise, but that's all i can say about this :x, well done tough but not for in the finally finished section...more appropriate in your sketchbook or something.

Composition-wise I would personally cut off a bit off the buttom of the picture.

Keep up the good work,
don't take my comments too negative but more in a constructive way.
Greetz

Kir

[AG.]

Why did u paint this for finally finished?

Because I consider it finally finished :\

[Danny Tatom]

haha, im kinda confused as to what he meant too ;o

[Dusty]

Dusty - While I to work on more layers than I can handle at 1 time normally, I find that the majority of the professionals on this site use only 1 layer to paint on. So this is not reason enough to hold doubt.


I agree, that's why I explained the other primary reasons for my doubt.
In the end it doesn't matter what I think, though, right? If you know you did it and you keep making awesome paintings then I am the one that looks like a fool. I just think the quality of it is inconsistent with your other work, so that is my main doubt.

But truly...I do want to say that I wasn't trying to crash your thread. I was merely agreeing with someone else. I'll happily back out and leave you your showcase. I think the best advice anyone has given is that regardless of whether you scratch painted it or didn't...you should do more to make it more obvious. Did I just say "Make it look less good?" haha...I guess so. More accurately, I would say just make it look less like the source photo and add your own touches to it. That will make such questions never arise.

Best of luck!

-D

[Blue]

Not a paint over? Whatever you say.

[Danny Tatom]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I see multiple differences in his painting and the original. ;o

[ChaoticKnight]

I agree with Danny. The face is at a different angle than the photo, the mouth isnt as rounded, the eyes aren't the same in proportion to each other etc.
As for the quality of work to the rest, the others in his devart seem to be from his imagination. Of COURSE something from a photograph will look better than imagination drawings.

Nice Painting AG! I just did one of the Joker for a speedpaint video on youtube.

[AG.]

I agree with Danny. The face is at a different angle than the photo, the mouth isnt as rounded, the eyes aren't the same in proportion to each other etc.
As for the quality of work to the rest, the others in his devart seem to be from his imagination. Of COURSE something from a photograph will look better than imagination drawings.

Nice Painting AG! I just did one of the Joker for a speedpaint video on youtube.

Thanks, man. Glad you see that this isnt a paint over. Can you send me a link to your video?

[tube_disaster]

Hey Man,

This looks AWESOME!!!!!!!

I really like the loose feel....

And dont mind the snobs on here who are quick to judge...9/10 they have nothing creative or helpful to say .....they just....talk.....

ANYWAYS....I really look forward to more of your painted work....maybe a Two-Face perhaps?

KEEP IT UP!

[AG.]

Hey Man,

This looks AWESOME!!!!!!!

I really like the loose feel....

And dont mind the snobs on here who are quick to judge...9/10 they have nothing creative or helpful to say .....they just....talk.....

ANYWAYS....I really look forward to more of your painted work....maybe a Two-Face perhaps?

KEEP IT UP!

I want to do a Batman next, but a two-face would be cool, too. Maybe after Batman.

[3alola]

realy nice man :D

[Ebony-chan]

Not a paint over? Whatever you say.


You mean to tell me that you can't see any difference between this photo and the artist painting? I can.

Thanks Danny, tube_disaster and ChaoticKnight it's good to see that I'm not the only one is can see the difference in the picture and painting here. That's why I did a search for the picture and put it up here so the people here could see for themselves.

AG I meant to say keep up the good work man this is kickass and it's not a paint-over. =)

[alffla]

keep up the good work. ignore the haters! :P

[simoncheng]

great work.
keep them coming.

[kelly x]

Nope he did it and good job is my vote also you have a very good eye and the use of texture wonderful!! Cool tribute to Heath I think!! This makes me sad.

[hell silva]

all discussion aside: its one hell of a finished piece. great work

[Barts]

fuckin give the guy a break, it aint a paintover, so leave it, fuck, get back to drawing everyone.

[Lalilulelo]

Yeah man. Great job, although I do agree with the first critique of, make it a little more obvious your hand was a part of the process. Up close at 100% you can see the brush stroke and the texture application clearly enough. But downsized it just looks grainy, like post processing fx and filters. I never doubted you though. Everyone needs to stop being afraid to be impressed and give the witch-hunt a rest.

Keep at it man.

[se7en_]

Excellent piece. Heavily referenced from the photo obviously but enough little, *cough* inaccuracies *cough* to prove its actual painted over the sketch not the photo. Why are people so quick to bitch about stuff anyway!? Can't we just all get along : p

[AG.]

Thanks a lot for the support guys! When posting this here, I never would've dreamed of some people thinking that it's a paint over or a photo manip. Thanks to all who see that it's not.

[Faxtar]

Yikes! Alot of drama in this thread since I last commented! I can't help but feel a little responsible because I was the first to mention the PM word. But just to reiterate, I never accused you of doing a photo-manip and I never thought it was one. I was just trying to help you by giving you an honest critique, I'm sorry if I insulted you in any way and for inadvertently starting the 'witch-hunt'. ( But if I was you I would go back and re-read what Elwell said, he's a pretty smart guy :) )