Masterful Drapery Studies (Post them here!)

[kev ferrara]

How about a thread for really great drapery studies. This is something all artists struggle with and having a bunch of examples in one spot might be helpful...


Credits: Leonardo Da Vinci, (Unknown Rhodian Sculptor), Dean Cornwell, Boucher, Brangwyn, Harold Speed.

[Art_Addict]

That Greek sculpture in the Louvre in absolutely breathtaking !
Mucha is worth mentioning I think :

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[timpaatkins]

good one Kev, here are a few I have lying around.

Mucha, (beat me to it Tom!) Michelangelo and Bernini. Its marble and its beyond me...

[kev ferrara]

More good stuff (not all "studies", but all worth studying.)

[kev ferrara]

Here's some Dan Adel...

[timpaatkins]

Ohh baby! How could I forget Franz Hals, The way he just seems to knock it off is mindboggling! Ingres of course.

[Anid Maro]

Cool stuff. Especially the choice of the Nike of Samothrace, that's one of my favorite Hellenistic sculptures.

As far as more modern work goes, John Currin offers some great drapery work in some of his paintings. The one with the transparent drapery in particular is interesting.

[Art_Addict]

Michael Grimaldi and Jacob Collins

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[Chris Bennett]

Michaelangelo

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Michaelangelo

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Degas

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Ingres

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Tamara De Lempicka

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Tamara De Lempicka

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Leyendecker

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Leyendecker

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Leyendecker

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Whistler

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Uglow

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[Chris Bennett]

Almost forgot.....

John Jude Palancar

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[kev ferrara]

Dean Cornwell on Drapery: Drapery reveals form.

Cornwell was particularly concerned with the importance of drapery in depicting the human figure and devoted an entire evening's session to it as part of his annual lecture series at the Art Students League. Clothing of either men or women was supposed to reveal the figure beneath it and folds of the material were useful in defining the action. He also stressed the difference between folds and wrinkles. As defined by Cornwell, a fold was created by the cut and weight of the material in response to the position of the figure beneath. A wrinkle was an accidental crease in the material having no relationship to the action or underlying figure and should be eliminated as an extraneous and confusing detail. Although folds are predictable, their variety is also infinite and cornwell always perferred to get his facts from the posed model rather than inventing them. For instance, he did a lot of costume pictures and when men's tights were called for, he would pose his model's in long johns. The key to the problem was in selection, making use of a pattern of folds that would enhance the desired action. This might require the model's repeated bending of a knee or an arm until the right fold emerged. Sometimes nature needed an assist from strategically placed clothespins. (Step by Step graphics, vol 3. no. 3)

Here's the Famous Artist course material (thanks to Mark Kennedy):

[VeSeljak]

Tom Gregg

[VeSeljak]

zhi lin

[Jasonwclark]

Here are some finished folds that I like.
In no particular order....

[Frank Gressie]

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=398826&stc=1&d=1214428358

michelangelo did this when he was 24 years old haha!
insane in the brain man

[Lake]

My favorite Dan Adel piece:

[kev ferrara]

More well-observed folds, drapery, and clothing...

Credits: Steve Huston, (Saul Tepper or Mead Schaeffer), Ingres, Brangwyn, Leyendecker (2), Wrightson, Velasquez

[kev ferrara]

more, Leyendecker and Hele(?)

[kev ferrara]

more drapes, folds, and togas...

Credits: Brangwyn, Leyendecker, Cornwell, Leon Gordon, Norman Rockwell, Anders Zorn, Harvey Dunn, Fragonard, Frazetta

[Anid Maro]

I was stumbling around in the Tutorials (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=42) section and fittingly enough I found this (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14739), an excellent tutorial about drapery, by Fredflickstone (A.K.A. Ron Lemen).

[Chris Bennett]

Boy oh boy! that Leyendecker with the two cows either side of the girl in yellow is bloody good!

[kev ferrara]

Sargent's Frieze of the Prophets...

[Felicia]

Great thread!

[Anid Maro]

Here are some good references I found sitting on my hard drive from Daniel Rosetti.

I'd asked Kev at one point why he'd started this thread in the Lounge rather than in Fine Arts & Discovery or Art Discussion... and he simply replied that he did it for the traffic. Well that's worked out great, there's tons of great info and references being shared here... but might I now request that this get stickied? I'm afraid the heavy traffic might at some point drive it off the page and it would be a shame to lose this thread. :)

[nonie]

that rosetti guy seems to only paint one face and expression... it's almost creepy

[InvertedChalupa]

lounge thread of the year nominee...

thanks kev!

[Anid Maro]

that rosetti guy seems to only paint one face and expression... it's almost creepy

Yeah... he's definitely got a thing for red heads with pouty lips, round eyes, a thin nose, and a somewhat manly neck... :P

I think I heard somewhere that there was some woman he was madly in love with but couldn't have... spurned love and all that jazz so he kept painting her. Dunno if that's true or a tall tale though.

Edit: Hearsay 0, Reading 1. Re: Roesetti's model, read Flake and Elwell below.

[Flake]

that rosetti guy seems to only paint one face and expression... it's almost creepy

That's the same model (Jane Burden/Morris, ex wife of William Morris) in all of those pictures.

From the photos I've seen that was her default expression.

[Elwell]

Those Rossetti paintings are all portraits of Jane Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Burden). His model for earlier works was Elizabeth Siddal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Siddal). There's an extensive literature on the pre-raphs and their muses.

[nonie]

this thread IS awesome btw. I still know only very little about art history/contemporary fine artists so some of these artists are new to me :)

[VulgarDragon]

When I think of drapes, I think of Greek-Roman statues and the Baroque. My contribution:

[TASmith]

Here's one I like by Heather Horton: http://heatherhorton.deviantart.com/art/Figure-Curled-49223830 Hmm, I'll post the image when I can resize it at home.

[Chris Bennett]

A visit to the British museum will haunt you forever......

The Elgin Marbles

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[kev ferrara]

More from the files...

Credits: J.C. Leyendecker (4), Frazetta (3), George Hendrik Breitner, (unknown)

[kev ferrara]

more more....

Credits: F.R.Gruger, Jeremy Lipking, J.C. Leyendecker (2), Ivor Hele, John Howard Sanden

[dbclemons]

Here's a few that I like:
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[dbclemons]

P.S. If you get a bunch of red Xs as I do as this page loads, right click over them and choose "Show Picture" to refresh them.

[S.M]

Pretty please everyone: Give us names!!!!!
The more the better.

I cant stress enough how important it is in this kind o' thread!
And i think the reasons are obvious.

All this art was made by men and WOMEN (with names)!

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Thank yall for sharing!


Edit for Faust: Indeed but u might also agree that IMG_1873.jpg or Ivor hele 032.jpg isnot proper when it comes to give credit.

Edit for Ilakae: Fixed! I knew someone would mention it. And who else but u! ;)

[~Faust~]

Pretty please everyone: Give us names!!!!!
The more the better.

I cant stress enough how important it is in this kind o' thread!
And i think the reasons are obvious.

All this art was made by men (with names)!

;)

Thank yall for sharing!

I agree, though mostof the images contain the name of their authors in their file-names.

[Ilaekae]

Hmmm...don't women paint/draw drapery or clothing?

[Blue]

THIS is what i like to see in the lounge. Fuck yea.

[kev ferrara]

Here's some of Pyle's female students' work. (Elizabeth Shippen Green (ESG), Sarah Stilwell Weber (SSW), Jessie Wilcox Smith (JWS)).

They are "flat" in terms of form, but still well-observed. (I hope someone will post more good drapery from gals.)

Credits, SSW, ESG, SSW, JSW (2), ESG (3), JWS, ESG, JWS (2), ESG, JWS,

[dbclemons]

In Naples there's a marble sculpture by Guiseppe Sammartino called "The Veiled Christ." These are the best images I could muster for it. It's pretty remarkable if you ever get a chance to see it.

For names I try and stick them in the filenames, but I shortened some of them last time. (Alex Raymond, James Avati, Austin Briggs, Frank Cho, Glenn Fabry, John Gannam, Frank Godwin, Maxfield Parrish, Saul Tepper, & Mortimer Wilson - I think that's the right order.)

[Art_Addict]

Some of those sculptures are just beyond me! Unbelievable! I just can't wrap my head around how they pull that off! :p

The Greeks are awesome, so is Bernini, but that Prometheus (http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=399840&stc=1&d=1214522437) sculpture must be one of the finest ever made!

[Anid Maro]

Some of those sculptures are just beyond me! Unbelievable! I just can't wrap my head around how they pull that off! :p

I do believe that the origins of basilisks (the lizard who turns man into stone) lie with medieval folk who thought the only possible explanation for the accuracy of the old Greek sculptures (and their Roman copies) was that they were once alive.

The Greeks are awesome, so is Bernini, but that Prometheus (http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=399840&stc=1&d=1214522437) sculpture must be one of the finest ever made!

That Prometheus sculpture greatly reminds me of Laocoon, actually.

[dbclemons]

Here's a few by female artists, including Cassatt & Morisot...
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[kev ferrara]

Rockwell...

[VulgarDragon]

I love Norman Rockwell. That one with the solider and the lady is a new one for me.

[gruve24]

http://myrdhinn.free.fr/images/inspirations/frezzato/couv5_fr.jpg
http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=401645&stc=1&d=1214758833
http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=401651&stc=1&d=1214759190
http://www.fredericleighton.com/images/071027114234_woman_seated_in_a_chair_faticida_by_f rederic_lord_leighton_LG.jpg
http://www.artmagick.com/images/content/leighton/hi/leighton19.jpg
http://ultraorange.net/media/2008/03/art-john-william-waterhouse-st-eulalia-1885-thumb.jpg

[Lake]

hhhhhooooollly crap at those star wars ones.

[Serpian]

Wow. Great thread!

Here are some marbles from the Glyptotek in Denmark.

An old roman or greece statue, can't remember...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/real_Serpian/lounge03-1.jpg


J. A. Jerichau

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/real_Serpian/lounge01-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/real_Serpian/lounge02.jpg

[dbclemons]

I dug up some Douglass Crockwell illustration samples recently. I made a composite of a few of them, and here's one nice example of fabric folds on the nurses uniforms.
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[Lone Wolf]

James Jean

http://www.jjeanius.net/images/FablesCovers/Fables73FinalDrawing.jpg

http://www.jjeanius.net/images/FablesCovers/Fables74Drawing.jpg

[dbclemons]

A few artists with a similar style: Arthur Rackham, Edmund Dulac, & Gustaf Tenggren.
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[Gryphon]

I didn't spot any Leighton in here, and I think he well deserves inclusion:

[Serpian]

Those really ancient marbles... They make me wonder. In an age when stuff like that just hadn't been done before.. How didn't they just think "naaah... That's impossible to pull off"?

[Anid Maro]

Those really ancient marbles... They make me wonder. In an age when stuff like that just hadn't been done before.. How didn't they just think "naaah... That's impossible to pull off"?

Ah, but it had been done before. Generally speaking, Greek sculpture can be seen as an offshoot of Egyptian sculptures. The ancient Greek version is known as a Kouros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kouroi) and from that prototype in the 7th century BC the Greeks embellished and further developed their sculptural technique over a few hundred years into the Hellenistic era.

Shortly thereafter the Romans had picked up on the Greek style of sculpture, which was widely admired. Starting with mere copies they eventually adopted it as their own. This style continued until the collapse of the Western Roman Empire in the 4th century AD.

This verges on a very simplified history lecture, so I'll just get to my point. This stuff didn't just come out of nowhere and to some extent, had been done before. It's really rather fascinating stuff, and I only touched on the Western world!

Incidentally here are the Wikipedia links I used to double-check my memory.

Sculpture
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture#Greek-Roman-classical)Classical Sculpture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_sculpture#Hellenistic_period)
Ancient Greek Sculpture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_sculpture)
Roman Sculpture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_sculpture)
Kouros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kouroi)
Ancient Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome#Empire)

[dbclemons]

Search the phrase "The Greek Miracle." It's a term used to describe how Greek artists went from stiff archaic posed sculptures into more naturalistic ones. Most theories base it on the polictical democratic climate of their culture, which was different than the more theocratic cultures of the same time, and with heroes and gods that were more human, so they were represented that way. I think it also had much to do with an artist giving people what they wanted, which hasn't changed.

[Serpian]

Anid Maro: Way to kill a joke :P

But what I said really applies to more than just sculpture. In all fields of art, even all aspects of culture, it's interesting to think of the fact that at certain times, certain effects and techniques just weren't invented yet. What I mean, is that when I look on a masterful sculpture, I think "wow, how is that even possible?" But I can see it, so I know it must be possible, so I might try making sculptures that are as good. But before these certain techniques were developed, of course, they hadn't been done before. That's what makes me wonder, how big of a genious do you have to be to succeed in something you didn't even know was possible before?

[Cthogua]

Oh man, what a great thread. I'm sooo glad someone posted some Dan Adel. I had seen his work in a magazine a few years ago and was really struck the beauty of his drapery paintings. But as time went by I forgot his name, but not his work. His caricature and portrait work are awesome as well, but there's something abstract about the drapery and water pieces that really draw me in. Its like a formgasm :P

[Anid Maro]

Anid Maro: Way to kill a joke :P

Whoops. Perhaps sometimes I'm a little too dry for my own good. :P

But what I said really applies to more than just sculpture. In all fields of art, even all aspects of culture, it's interesting to think of the fact that at certain times, certain effects and techniques just weren't invented yet. What I mean, is that when I look on a masterful sculpture, I think "wow, how is that even possible?" But I can see it, so I know it must be possible, so I might try making sculptures that are as good. But before these certain techniques were developed, of course, they hadn't been done before. That's what makes me wonder, how big of a genious do you have to be to succeed in something you didn't even know was possible before?

I look at it as a series of developments. I couldn't fathom coming up with these sculptures from nothing, I couldn't even fathom going from the Kouroi to the Nike of Samothrace. However inbetween the Kouroi and the Nike ("Just Do It!", oddly fitting :)) there was a gap of ~300 years with which to work with.

So I can fathom a little development here and there. One sculptor starts forming the anatomy a little more closer, another perfects it. One other sculptor later on messes with the pose while another toys with drapery. Further on another sculptor perfects the methods of the previous while another starts toying with emotional expressions... et cetera. Eventually you end up with a culmunation of these developments late in the history of Ancient Greece.

And, worth note is that many of these sculptures are done by sculptors who were widely considered geniuses at their craft both at the time in Greece as well as long after in Rome. Polykleitos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polykleitos), Lysippos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysippos), Scopas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skopas), Praxiteles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxiteles), et cetera. So not only are we looking at the end result of centuries of developments but we also looking at the works of sculptors who frankly were geniuses.

So... is the joke sufficiently slain now? :)

[Serpian]

The joke.

It is slain.

[Serpian]

In the name of Cha'zuth'or, I hereby necro this thread!

EDIT: whoa, those pics were humongous! Hold on, I'll resize them..
EDIT2: There, that's better

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[Clodioz]

Claudio Bravo.

http://photos21.flickr.com/33180866_7c787e300e_o.jpg

http://nsm.uh.edu/~dgraur/Images/bravo.Adventus.jpg

http://www.artnexus.com/images/content/webimages/2008/u0009839big.jpg

http://www.artnexus.com/images/content/webimages/2006/u0006627big.jpg

http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/t/images/trompe_bravo.conte.lg.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bxQfx05Ah7Ku/610x.jpg

[r y a n o i r]

Wow, thanks everybody for the wonderful contributions!
here are some rembrandts
sorry if they have been added already but i didn't see any

http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/REMBRANDT,%20Jeremiah%20Lamenting%20the%20Destruct ion%20of%20Jerusalem,%201630,%20Rijksmuseum,%20Ams terdam%20-%20jeremiah-2005.04.03-16.37.44.jpg

http://www.booksplendour.com.au/gallery/classics/rembrandt/rembrandt_Saskia%20as%20Flora.jpeg

http://www.wga.hu/art/r/rembran/painting/portrai1/rembsask.jpg

http://art110.wikispaces.com/file/view/Rembrandt_baadster.jpg/30847410/Rembrandt_baadster.jpg

http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/arthum/images/1200/rembrandt/0071_3301_3567_040.jpg

[Jake Kobrin]

AWESOMENESS OVERLOAD!!!

Dore...

http://sacredsymbolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/moses_comes_down_with_the_law-gustave_dore.jpg

http://www.dogchurch.org/images/GustaveDoreAdultress.jpg

http://thelondondiary.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/death.jpg

That last image happens to be on the shirt that I'm wearing ATM. :)

[Crush]

Three pages of drapery and not one Durer?

http://jerryandmartha.com/yourdailyart/images/durerpillows.jpg

http://www.still-life-art.org/Study-Of-Drapery-1508-Drawing.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/mentler/Bottega/Drapery_Durer1.jpg

[RyerOrdStar]

Surprised no one has mentioned Charles Dana Gibson! These aren't his best ones imo but I don't have time to scan any of the pictures from my book; I just found these on the internet.

I just love the way he can show everything about form with just a couple lines. I love structured drapery over flowy drapery any day.

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[aefx]

John Everett Millais
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t68/earthly-paradise/800px-Millais_-_Christus_im_Hause_s.jpg

Michael Hussar
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2322940173_d78d9d5a8c.jpg

[LORD M]

I find it strange noone posted anything from ruanjiajia here on CA. :)


http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=557060&d=1231225871

[Yiako]

Drapery + light = Sorolla

http://gailsauter.squarespace.com/storage/sorolla%20Mending%20Net.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Joaqu%C3%ADn_Sorolla_003.jpg
http://annaglez.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/la-bata-rosa.jpg

[Yiako]

Drapery + light = Sorolla

http://gailsauter.squarespace.com/storage/sorolla%20Mending%20Net.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Joaqu%C3%ADn_Sorolla_003.jpg
http://annaglez.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/la-bata-rosa.jpg