Help: Markers and ink jets

[Dirty-J]

Anyone tried markering (pantone, tria, copic .ect) over a line art from a bubble/ink jet printer? I was just about to buy a laser pprinter for printing off some line art, but bubble jets are sooo much cheaper and apparently print at higher resolution. I was wondering if markers would cause the ink from the printer to bleed.
Any advice?
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edit: mods, I originally posted this in the wrong section. tutorials. Can you delete it.

[Johannes]

I just tested it a little with a lasercopy (of a lineart eps). I had no special markers, I ran one overheadpen (stinky with bad alcohol or something) and one regular ble non-descript waterbased marker. I guess if the copy is fresh, then the markerfeltpoint can get somewhat "black and dirty" from itty-bitty loose powder. And It can maybe smudge the lines a little (fresh xerox does that too).

One thing ive seen done is xeroxing aquarelpaper and then going over it with aqua or gouace, if the xeroxcopy had cooled down, there was almost no smudging from the waterpaint. :)

But my question back to U is - does bubblejet ink withstand markers over them? I see more possible trouble there?
Many inkjets have waterbased ink (the old apple and canons at least), that I discovered when I spilled soda on some of the prints...

Lasers are expensive to buy and powdercasettes (and not to mention ocassional drums!!!) is expensive, but the old crappy laser I got prints at about 2.5 cents a copy plus papercost - u wont get that with a inkjet...

Good luck :D

[Dirty-J]

Ya, for any one else who is interested. I tested some pantone markers on a inkjet print from a HP printer, and wow smudge o rama. it pulled the ink all over the place.

Next question, Can anyone recomend a black and white laser printer. Dont care about speed or cost per page. Just quality for printing line art, and price.?

[geoffd]

you might find something here (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2 F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=laser+printer)

[Johannes]

Ay caramba!
I suspected as much.
I would try to get a used laser one, maybe from a company, they change often.
Important thing to check is that the drum is ok - print a total black pic - and there U see lines - wear and tear. Print a almost total white to see if the drum got some "burns" - stuff permanently etched into it, this can happen if it for instance prints the same letterhead over and over on every copy...

The drum can often be replaced, but for a hefty price. Some printers have the drum built-into the toner casett, so U change it with the toner (which also means a heavy pricetag on the toner/drum cassette).
Also look into what the toner cost, so its not a big surprise - there usually expensive, but they can print many thousands of copys, which makes them low-cost over time. :)

The thing to remember is that resolution for printers are not the same as resolution for monitors (I dont know, U might know this already, but someone might find it useful).

other good stuff includes postscript, large memory, networking, maybe even a hardrive

I hardly get or know the technical side, but most images need to be rasterized, and the resolution sets the limit for the rasters available.
this is my "lazyguide" to printers and resolution:
First off rasters (the final "print" and file dpi (monitor resolution)
newspaper raster - 85 lines equals 170dpi
magazine raster - 130 lines equals 260 dpi
fine print raster - 150 lines equals 300 dpi (it´s double)

and now the printers (don´t ask me, I dont get math, I just have the lazy guide)
laser 300 dpi - max raster 53 lines
laser 600 dpi - max raster 85 lines

So U see, with a 600 dpi laser, U can emulate the newspapaer raster and get images of the same quality (not too good...)

Keep in mind that professional printing eguipment often have a dpi equal to 10.000...