Sijun hacked (Cloud-nine too)

[Justin.]

Apparently both Sijun (http://www.sijun.com/forums/) and Cloud nine (http://www.redbeardead.com/c9/viewforum.php?f=) forums have been hacked by a turkish group...

Careful Conceptart! (and those other art communities) Such a freakin odd and random thing huh?

[sparth]

retards...

[paberu]

That's probably because both were running a VERY outdated version of phpBB (sijun anyway) that has many security holes, hope Sijuns database has been backed up... too much good stuff on that forum.

I don't think CA is in danger since it's using vBulletin (and a recent release too).

[Ilaekae]

nah...retards actually have a brain...

[Jason Rainville]

Urge to make anti-religious art... rising

[stephen]

they did it to mine also, luckly all they did was replace the index file.

[serhc]

what in the world...

hope the communities don't get disrupted the way ep did

[Jason Manley]

Eatpoo and Sijun etc...have made mistakes with using Phpbb which is inferior software. CA runs vbulletin and has a secure server system as well as on and offsite backups. The most we will ever lose is 15-30 minutes if the main server system goes down. This is one of the major upgrades we have been able to make since there has been some support with the downloads...and it cost an arm and a leg. Assuming we do not see natural disasters destroy everything in two different states at the same moment, we should be ok for the long run. The system also checks in on all machines every few minutes. If anything goes wrong, adjustments are made to solve the problem. Data security is key. Eatpoo taught the art communities that...unfortunately.

Regarding eatpoo (R.I.P.)...They seem to have failed to back up their site for years and must have never installed backup servers. I wonder where all that hosting money went, that they raised (even I donated back then too). Beer I guess...a simple backup server would have saved five years of digital art history that is now gone. Congrats to the eatpoo mods for finally up and leaving to start their own group. I imagine there is good chance of success for their art community now that they are not working under bigots and drunks.

[serhc]

well, it appears c9 and sijun have kept up with their housekeeping;

both are back up and appear to be functional (though i haven't posted, since im deathly afraid of the talent at both places) the link for sijun at the top works, but for c9, you'll have to follow a new link: this guy (http://www.redbeardead.com/c9/)

i know this might be stirring up old garbage that may not want to be discussed, but i was wondering: is there any way to get a brief history of the evolution of the art communities? as i understand, eatpoo was a sort of hub where many of the leaders of art communities now came from - i think i'd just like to hear about the glory days, since, despite some of what's happened on that site, i feel particularly beholden to it for turning me away from elfwood/da and into here.

[Pavel Sokov]

what happaned to eatpoo exactly?

iv been on that site a few times ages ago.

[Queen Nehalania]

How eerie...

[Blue]

Islam hackers? Thats new.

[Nrx]

Its nice how there quite respectfull and civilised in the actuall message.

[ArtZealot]

Speaking of which, anyone excited for the new season of 24?

[FlipMcgee]

Here's a thought: Why don't CA takeover Sijun? Dhabih seems to be hands-off for years so.

Sijun gets to maintain it's looks, admin board, and whatever preserved database that's left. CA/MB takes over the membership, hack proof it better than now, and gets to advertise at will.

[Alexa]

ugh, c9 only lost a few minutes of information.

And as part of the group of mods that JUST left Eatpoo, all I can say is Eatpoo's biggest shutdown was from one of the ex-admins fucking it all up on purpose. Then another crash, and with all the weird shit and racism dogging it's (scat) name, and severely weakened art standards, we felt it best to distance ourselves from all that.

Ahh, how times change. All Eatpoo seems to have taught people is if you let your friends run rampant with racism around a bunch of really kickass artists full of sass and amazingness, that shit will wither and die fast. ESPECIALLY when the new admins can't be bothered to get off their asses and get the thing going again. Seems our leaving fueled some great debate and now action is actually being taken, so who knows, maybe it'll be something great again. But I'll always miss those brutally honest critiques, no other place like it for that (back then).

[Jason Manley]

Bummer...

it is of note that ca got hacked by a muslim group once...back when vbull had some serious security flaw. Was an old version and we showed up with all admin priveleges removed and some banner that said Allah Akbar. I was a little disappointed to see that Allah did not approve of the latest works in the finished section...or was it the posts in the lounge...who knows...either way Allah's followers gave us the shutdown for a few hours too.

[davi]

its interesting that no one remembers that I was one of the early admins on eatpoo and was banned from the site multiple times for helping jason create conceptart.org/forums.

[Jason Manley]

Well, it's all over now Davi. That site and it's entire history is sadly, entirely, ruined. At one point it was one of the coolest creative places on the net, filled to the brim with talent from a wide range of disciplines. Is a total bummer to see what racism, infighting, hate and elitism did to what was once an oasis of imagination. As much as there was rivalry, both real and perceived, what they built was an important part of digital art history and should have been safeguarded against loss, even after the traffic dried up.

You have been a good help over the years. Thanks.

[Ilaekae]

...sob...

...anybody got a hanky...I got sumpin in my eye...

[BooBerri]

I just sheda tear, but for a different reason.

But, the lack of eatpoo traffic dried it up. I asked my pals google and yahoo for a crit and they responded with more than 3000000 answers.

If not for the caring bots, I would have been lonely in my sadness.

[Blaz]

Urge to make anti-religious art... rising

Thought of the same thing. :)

But we dont want a bunch of religious extremists to attack CA, do we?

*sigh*

[petitemistress]

Jesus and Mohammed united, wt a bunch of retards those hackers are! If Jesus really "hates their nation and blahblahblah" do they really think hed want a bunch of retards to do his bidding? i swear this type of extremist shit is wt makes my fucking ppl so undesirable, when in reality, most of us arent even like that! God/Allah never asked you to play god yourself asshole, read the Coran. Read the Bible. if you *really* believe in God, let him do his own damn bidding in the "afterlife". dammit! >.<

and Jason, dont mind if i correct you on a detail, you said "hacked by a muslim group once", but i do think you meant islamist group? as in the extremists, not the believers (muslims). :)

[Mirana]

its interesting that no one remembers that I was one of the early admins on eatpoo and was banned from the site multiple times for helping jason create conceptart.org/forums.

Umm...? Did you all kiss and make up then? 'Cause the way I found CA was through a CA vs Poo Thunderdome (in which I thought, "What's CA? Oh! Wow...they seem a bit more sane. *jump*").

Or was it more Thunderdome than the good-natured contest we'd like to believe? ;)

[Jason Rainville]

sorry...

[petitemistress]

pft. Jason. you call this art? your piece is seriously lacking dont you think?!? you heathen.


367865

Now, *Thats* epic. thank me later :P

[Jason Manley]

Umm...? Did you all kiss and make up then? 'Cause the way I found CA was through a CA vs Poo Thunderdome (in which I thought, "What's CA? Oh! Wow...they seem a bit more sane. *jump*").

Or was it more Thunderdome than the good-natured contest we'd like to believe? ;)


That tdome was actually what started the rivalry between the sites. The groups got along fine before that, for the most part. Many people were members of both, like myself, and some took up sides...much too seriously. I really liked EP at that time, and felt like they deserved spotlight as much as anyone on CA did. Though almost every one of those people have moved on to other forums now. This was prior to the hateful crowd becoming too dominant. Talent ruled the roost over there back then.

Anyway, the thing people don't realize is that the whole rivalry was just Roundeye and I coming up with ways to create some hype and generate traffic. We both agreed that having a contest and getting the sites fired up would lead to more traffic for all the artists, and the sites, which was one of my goals, and obviously one of his. I was helping eatpoo and he was helping conceptart in that way by putting it all together. We were helping the artists of both sites. And so we made it happen. The whole thing was planned to go as it did...except for the spitefulness that came across between sites during all the trash talk. I did not expect as much of that as happened. People actually thought I didnt like roundeye or eatpoo back then...which I did. I even offered roundeye work at one point...got nivbed his first real job, and started working with nox, amongst other things. A lot of good things happened from that contest...not all was bad.

Nox won the event for eatpoo but andrew got his piece voted as best concept so both sides had a winner. Nox did two pieces that made all of us say.."who the hell is this guy!" Time keeps on ticking ticking ticking...crazy how far we have all come since then.

If I had it to do all over again, I would have discouraged the trash talk that went down. It created too much drama that went on for a couple years after that and is the reason we no longer do inter-forum contests.

[Justin.]

I haven't been to eatpoo since they banned me as a joke. They moved my first post into the Toilet and then banned me for having a post in there being under 18.

[N D Hill]

That's interesting. I was never really too aware of the drama surrounding the thunderdome. My reasons for leaving eatpoo stemmed more from that top tier of administration which made the forum seem more like a social club. I had no expectations that the forum was obligated to be diplomatic to everyone, however I just didn't expect what I perceived to be outright abuse and cruelty. I was one of many who had been an avid member of TeamGT and when that started in its decline, Eatpoo and conceptart.org had both been newly established. Of course a lot of the artists whom I wished to keep an eye on began posting at only one of the two forums.

Eatpoo was great and I initially enjoyed their sense of humor, way before the racism, and before the point at which it became very personal for too many people. At some point down the road, it became obvious that the the admins had begun hijacking user accounts and posting as them. I made the mistake of voicing my distaste for this and from then on one admin had taken complete control over my account and started posting as me. I just left. There was no grudge between myself and really almost everyone at the forum including Roundeye, who had been helpful to me in the past, but also no hope or point of arguing my case. I reduced my involvement back to lurking.

[Mirana]

How odd that the trash talk went that far, especially when artists on both sites moved in much the same circles. There would be NO Thunderdome if there was actual hatred.

And I always wondered why TD died off...figured people were too busy. Guess LMS is the new TD, yah?

[Jason Manley]

LMS is the thunderdome. Cody just does a better job running it than we did. :)

[Boolean]

Why the heck would anyone name a website eatpoo? :$

[strych9ine]

I'm just the one stupid enough to do it! You guys all learned your lesson...

[Sorknes]

Why the heck would anyone name a website eatpoo? :$

Well, it's almost as subtle as calling your firm Massive Black and have a rooster in your logo.....





... but only almost.

[Slash]

TD is very much alive, at least with the irc crowd. Its mostly a speedpainting challenge these days, ranging from the STD (superthunderdome) that is 10-15 minutes, to longer ones, 1-2 hours.

[egerie]

Davi, I remember... I remember Lumental too. As well as the early Sijun days... Even Francis's forum. Damn time flies by!

[Jason Manley]

omg...lumental...totally forgot about that place. I am going to have to wayback machine that one.

[Jason Manley]

a quick search brings back all the fun of yesteryear.

http://forums.sijun.com/viewtopic.php?t=1970&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=ba937c486b5d66b7ba25aeb73cbc2527

lol

Crazy to see how many of the old sijun crew are actually still around and doing well. Also interesting to see that retarded internet drama is exactly the same as back then. I remember when that went down because the once close knit sijun forums became over run with what was seen as mediocrity and stupidity, and not enough mods to control it. Lumental went up, invite only style, to keep the best artists learning with each other. The problem was that it was private and when people started leaving to go to Lumental it threatened to leave sijun without the talented folk...which caused a lot of griping, if nothing else. At least that is how I remember it.

:) Oh..and just for old times sake: http://web.archive.org/web/20020110062438/http://www.lumental.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php

[Justin.]

I can't believe those things were around when I was 11 o_o

[quickreaver]

Wow...just...wow. I wasn't digital at the time those forums were 'in fashion' ;) ,but what a resource to have Linda B and Steven Stahlberg participating! (This is one of the reasons I'm almost brave enough to post here. Heh.)

Regarding EatPoo, I'm an Epilogue alumnus, and we had a little run-in with them too. Now granted, Epi is a different animal: it's focus is primarily classic scifi/fantasy art, and the forums are perhaps more 'hobbyist' than other places...but Eatpoo decided to 'Pimp my Elfwood' at one point. They poked rabidly mean fun at the kids at Elfwood by taking art found there, and reworking it to become 'hip'. When they popped over to Epilogue to get traffic for that event (why? I'll never know...), they weren't met with much understanding. Yeah, yeah...it was funny. Funny as hell in many cases. But it was also mean-spirited. And THAT, in a nutshell, was Eatpoo's problem.

There's nothing wrong with having a sense of humor! It cools the blood and reminds you not to take yourself so darned seriously. But there's a big difference between being light-hearted and being a douchebag. There's a time and a place to be a smart ass, and when you've crossed that line, then stuff hits the fan. Indeed, you have the right to say whatever you wanna say, but don't be shocked or judgmental when someone takes offense at your vocal 'freedom'. That ate away at Eatpoo, I suspect. Equal opportunity offenders. It crumbled from within. But these are only just guesses...

And it makes me kinda glad when the owners/operators here step in and put their collective feet down when things start to meander into nasty territory. It's always a real shame when forums, so full of talent, disintegrate due to interpersonal crap...and all those skills get spread to the four corners of the internet.

My blather for the day. Feel free to slap a tldr on this. :blahblah:

[serhc]

pimp my elfwood was freaking amazing. i can't believe livejournal shut down the original site that gave eatpoo the idea, because no one who cared actually knew what the copyright laws were.

and while i'm not holding my breath for it to happen here, i'm still waiting for some other board to give that activity another shot, because the results generally are pretty awesome.

the thing is, it wasnt just the bad, tired old ideas and bad drawings that got pimped - there were some genuinely unique and interesting concepts that came into their full realization at the hands of pros. in fact, if i remember correctly, many of them expressed thanks that their ideas were given treatment by a professional

[quickreaver]

Some did, some didn't. And I think it was the vibe that Eatpoo was having a good laugh at the expense of Elfwood that raised some hackles. Copyright wasn't REALLY the issue, all told.

There's an artist (and I think I've seen him here at CA!) who took kids' drawings of monsters, and made some really kick-ass art from them. Even got into Spectrum. But he didn't poke fun of them...and some at Eatpoo used really degrading language to denegrate the skills of the 13-14 year olds by whom they were inspired.

It's all in the way you spin it. And like I said...if you wanna say exactly what's on your mind in whatever mean-spirited fashion you wanna say it, you can't expect everyone to pat you on the back. If you choose the behavior, you should accept the reaction. It's kinda that simple. Now if Eatpoo had asked for 'muses' from Elfwood, sure, they'd have had a ton of volunteers! But that's not even close to how it started...

[Jason Manley]

Hell, given the state of some of the art around here we could clearly do a "Pimp my ConceptArt.Org" without even leaving our domain.

[Dallas]

I remeber you Davi, don't worry! ;)

Can't remember your avatar though.

EDIT: Woot Lumental.....old times. I remeber browsing that site and thinking loud noises.

[Mirana]

Dream Sear: The Monster Engine (http://www.themonsterengine.com/art.html). I agree that it's the asking that's important.

Jason: I never really saw the original in action, but it does sound like an interesting idea!

[serhc]

you're right, i shouldn't be trying to defend it in terms of the kinds of results it generated, given that it wasn't the intent of the activity. still, it was a heck of a lot of fun to see what people could produce from the ideas, and if a few egos were bruised in the process, so be it. i know im going to get owned for saying that, but that's the way it rolls.

and if it actually happens, i wouldn't mind seeing a pimp my ca - if someone decided to pimp my tired, old, uninspired drawings, it would be great to see what kinds of visual limits uninteresting subject matter and concepts could be pushed to

[quickreaver]

Oooh, The Monster Engine! Thanks, Mirana. Yup, that's some of the fun stuff I saw! And I agree, serhc. I'm REALLY thick-skinned when it comes to critiques, but that's hardly the norm. They coulda pimped the dookie out of my so-called art and I'd have taken it in stride. Some great results did come from it, as inspiration can pop up from anywhere. Pimp My CA doesn't sound like a horrible idea, eh?

[egerie]

Damnit Jason, now I feel really old! That thread is very interesting... Considering some of the posters are still kicking in that 500some pages thread. Feels like being poked with a hot iron though ahaouch.