One more anime drawing~

[joeian]

:asslick: :asslick:

a anime drawing for the final project in my college~

[nonie]

Ok so you can emulate a style. I mean, that's all I really see here, you've gotten good at making a very anime style drawing. Where's the foundations to back it up? The anatomy is not very good, especially in the legs and her raised shoulder... Neck too.. and what is up with her left hand? It's tiiiny. And the gound doesn't indicate grass, it just looks... greenish. Actually it looks like it's speeding past. The colors are pretty nice but again it just looks like all the other anime out there. It's a good emulation I suppose but there's nothing at all individual or interesting about this.

Let's see something more personal done with this level of finish!

[SakariSingh]

I think that Nonie is being completely unfair and biased. Obviously anime style is what you're going for and it is executed beautifully. I rarely see these kind of comments on pieces that are emulating an American comic/fantasy style. This piece is very well executed, the color choices are strong, and the composition is pleasing.

As for the anatomy, the hand and legs don't bother me. However, I do think there should be some indication that the left arm is being raised in the shoulder.

Don't let the haters get you down.

[Danilo]

colors and the posture are nice, also the drapery is realy well done. Only think is that she seems floating above the ground. There is no mass feling.

The grass and the flowers are too instant, thats because it looks a little pasted.

About the copying manga, they who dont understad why you shouldnt copy the style share the same ignorance with those who dont understand why you should copy the style.

By the way if you look at artist of CA, most of them are pretty much similar.

bye

[Interceptor]

I gotta agree with Nonie on this.
Even if only for the fact that it's so hard you your work to stand out by doing this type of work. It seems like youre being unfair to yourself, really.

[nonie]

Sure I'm biased, I did the exact same thing for a long time. Actually my final project in one of my college classes was pretty much the same thing. Know where all that anime art got me? Nowhere. It wasn't until I started working from direct observation that I started learning anything useful.

I'm just saying to develop your own voice and to think about why people are using the stylizations they use in anime - emulating anything, American comics, fantasy, whatever, *anything*, should be viewed as just an exercise.

There's nothing about this piece that would make me remember the manga it was from. It looks like a thousand other artists could have done it. Foreground lowers/puff/petals? Check. Girl laying on ground in a white dress? Check. Wrist to her forehead? Check. It's a decently-executed but unoriginal piece.

Edit: I guess a better way to put this is that you have gone as far as you can go in this style without having a strong foundational basis. So the only way to move ahead would be to study realism and then maybe come back to the style you like so much.

[Justin.]

By the way if you look at artist of CA, most of them are pretty much similar.

Really?

I'm with Nonie and Interceptor here. I would like to see what you can do with something that is more personal to you.

EDIT:
Look at the top thumbnail artists for one called "Gezstar". He does fairly anime stuff but it has foundations, and shows originality and skill in design and execution.

CA may have a small anime "bias", but much of what people call "bias" is actually constructive advice so that they can take anime and make it their own- Like Alien1452, or Gezstar, who both do amazing, amazing stuff.

[Greywoods]

I like it. As always CA gotta be extra harsh with the anime drawings. Total bias. Ignore it.

Besides the comments about style, the first poster was right though. The hand is smallish. Also the eyes seem to be ...I don't know... seems like they are taken from another picture. Everything is so toned down in this piece except the eyes - very dark and saturated. Seems outta place.

Edit: Also Justin, Nonie: Though this picture is OBVIOSLY not perfect - I think it is good enough to deduce that the artist probably does practice from real life - it's the only way to get good really.

EditEdit: Rayph, you say cheap I say simplistic (talking ofcourse about the anime genre in general here, nothing specific). You think minimalism is cheap too? Sometimes its to save money. And sometimes it's because it's a awesome style to communicate with. To become good at anime you have to study the basics naturally - I havent seen ANYONE say otherwise.

[Rayph]

There is a reason for a strong biased view against anime amongst a strong foundational art community.

Anime is for the lack of a better word designed cheaply so it can be drawn cheaply, at the end of the day it is just that: cheap.

Although for those that enjoy it that is fine I say, hey fast food is cheap and millions enjoy that right?

Anyhow I agree with all the critique given thus far, and will add that if you want to make honest improvement in your artistic skills you will lay off the anime and go study the basics.

[sourgasm]

There is a bit of an anti-anime bias on this forum. No big deal, but expect to face it.

If you want respect for manga styled work from the concept community at large, you'll have to either present amazingly rendered, pro-level work or post some conventional concept art, illustration or sketches along with your manga stuff. Drawing manga is fine, of course, but if you're only doing it because you lack the ability to work in other styles, you're going to get some negative feedback. If that is the case, take what people say to heart and work on your base skills before attacking a stylized render.

Hope some of that helps.

[joeian]

i like to draw anime style not beacause i lack of my skills, recently, (4 months)
ago, i started to learn about the human anatomy drawing,to learn about the muscle and skeleton, how the muscle moves /works etc, but i am just a beginner, and i always make a lot of mistake,
but i just want to say, the reason i draw anime style is i LOVE ANIME STYLE.
and anime / manga is not cheap
i seen a lot of ppl who draw very well in releastic style , but they still cant draw anime style well, if they try to draw anime, may be it will looks like anime, but actually it isnt , it looks abit wired
anime style is not just simplfly the face and body,and cel shading

[Justin.]

not cheap

from http://www.animatorsunite.com/data/blogs/an-american-animator-in-japan/

. On average, animation studios pay entry level employees about $12,000 to $25,000 USD a year, less then half their American counterparts.
American films tend to be very top heavy, and over spend on executives and marketing research, which usually results in a film costing in excess of $100 million USD. In Japan films tend to run a $10 million to $20 million USD budget with similar production values to the US animation.

[Shmaba]

We don't need another one of those huge discussions about the anime way. Try bringing it to the Art Discussion section if you really want to keep going with a never ending debate.

Now getting back to you joeian and your picture. I don't get the feeling that she's actually laying on grass. It looks like a flat floor made to look something like grass. Also there isn't enough depth created from the shadows and highlights. i think it's from some shadows that don't seem to follow the direction of the light source.

[Duq]

I'm with nonie. Wether or not it is stylized, it still lacks foundation.

anime style is not just simplfly the face and body,and cel shading

Actually, todays anime is optimized for mass production animation. And it really is just simplified features, and cel shading.

There are alot of well produced anime movies and series ofcourse that stand above the mass produced series. Studio Ghibli(Spirited away, Howls Moving Castle, Naussica) and Production I.G(Ghost in the shell, Blood) for example produce amazing work, however the artists that are working there have a solid foundation and it shows in their work.

Noone here is a hater of Anime or manga, alot of people have an immense respect for some of the amazing work that comes from japan. But I do think alot of people are very wary of the mass produced abstracted anime stuff.

Also working in a style, and drawing "anime" does not mean there is a limit on creativity. It is just a tool in the end. If you have some time, check out Shintaro Kago's(worked on Paprika, but has alot of solo stuff) work. He is a manga artist, but with an completly unique vision.

[joetachi]

You will never earn respect here if you draw in anime style. Why do you think i dont have a sketch book here.

[Duq]

You will never earn respect here if you draw in anime style. Why do you think i dont have a sketch book here.

Then why are there alot of anime movies mentioned in the "Movies concept artists should watch." thread?

[joetachi]

Then why are there alot of anime movies mentioned in the "Movies concept artists should watch." thread?
Im talking about members in this forum.

[enrigo]

I think the big dandelion on the top left could use some more refining, it's kind of a big element in the picture.
Nice use of color btw. :yum:

[nonie]

Joetachi, there's anime-styled stuff in the top bar of this site! Difference is it's ridiculously good.

The truth is that the game and anime fandoms are almost one in the same, and on this site, work that leans towards either one lacking in foundation will get called out. There's very little bias, only a REALLY STRONG tendency for a lot of immature artists to go into anime because it looks easy and cool. Great anime is just as lauded on CA as great game and movie production work.

But then very little of either is considered "respectable" when you're talking about the gallery scene.

joeian - it's good to hear you're practicing! As I said, there's a lot of really great anime out there, and the thing that unites them all is a strong foundation. You've shown you can digitally color, so focusing on the basics for a while and then coming back to that skill will serve you well.

[joetachi]

Im not talking about respect in the gallery scene its here. I knew he would get comments about things that wont help him get better.This thread would not be getting 5 post if it was done in any other style.

[Elwell]

joetachi, is this (http://joetachi.deviantart.com/) you? You should start a sketchbook here, it would do you good.

[joetachi]

joetachi, is this (http://joetachi.deviantart.com/) you? You should start a sketchbook here, it would do you good.

It would but im not ready to make a sketchbook here.

[chuck18mp]

nice, nice :)

[pvrhye]

Ok so you can emulate a style. I mean, that's all I really see here, you've gotten good at making a very anime style drawing. Where's the foundations to back it up? The anatomy is not very good, especially in the legs and her raised shoulder... Neck too.. and what is up with her left hand? It's tiiiny. And the gound doesn't indicate grass, it just looks... greenish. Actually it looks like it's speeding past. The colors are pretty nice but again it just looks like all the other anime out there. It's a good emulation I suppose but there's nothing at all individual or interesting about this.

Let's see something more personal done with this level of finish!

Even if it sounds biased, note that his critiques are all very specific and apparent. Even if it gets under your skin, this is good advice.

[Camara]

Go and start a Sketchbook,don´t be afraid!!!There are many "anime-style" artist here,and we love them!!!I am not with nonie about this.Well he is right when he says that is not only about color,is about the basics on anatomy and figure study too,but none can say that your piece is bad!!!!That should be ridiculous!Your piece has some anatomical issues that can be fixed by doing what nonie sais,by focusing on anatomy.Also the grass needs more work.
About the debate here....well...I am not a huge fan of anime style,but I admit that I enjoy anime.Actually I have been watching School Rumble recently!!!
Those who think that anime is cheap or is some steps under american animation should watch Paprika,Chihiro or Ghost in the Shell.Cheap?Maybe.Great?Absolutely!!

[joeian]

yeah~you are right, i need to study more about the anatomy
how ever, i am still 17, i will go to university to study more about art this year
may be go to japan~lol

[nonie]

Wow, actually you're really good for 17! Impressive :D Keep practicing and keep posting here and you'll go far - if I'd had this site at that age I'd porbably be years and years past where I am now. Back then I was on Elfwood.com, drawing anime characters in colored pencil, hehehe!

And I'm a "she," pvrhye and Camara :P

[Mr.Delicious]

ah, the typical pose and just typical picture kinda turns me off to it. You pulled it off well but the thing is that you should've spent more time on the basic concept of the drawing you were going to do. I think it best to make your art stand out in subject matter even if the style isnt anything crazy... If its funny, fun or just different it'll stand out to a lot more people. I think its funny how many people ripped you up for this, if only I could count the number of Marko D's on this forum(not that the anatomy isnt worth it).

But anyways, keep drawing and start working on your anatomy in the sketchbook thread so everybody can help you out.

[Camara]

And I'm a "she," pvrhye and Camara :P

HAhahahaaa!Sorry!!!!Funny,people use to think that I am a "she"!!!!!

[Eugie]

HAhahahaaa!Sorry!!!!Funny,people use to think that I am a "she"!!!!!

I'd assume its cause of the avatar, but thats just me. (sorry didn't mean to troll!)

[PuppyKitten]

My biggest beef with this piece is the fact that the eyes are two slightly different shapes and sizes.

They are such a HUGE focal point with this picture (and for anime in general) that I keep coming back to that inconsistency.


Otherwise, I like the colors, and I think that anime is a totally fine style for this drawing.

I do wish it had more individual flair to it. It seems a bit cookie cutter. But that's totally personal opinion based on taking in lots of anime over the years. Your style is your choice to make.

[Hyptosis]

This is a rough place to post any kind of anime. =P Keep up the work, I'm not too into the anime thing myself, but I do like your color choices. Variety is good, I'd say do other stuff, but draw what you enjoy too. Don't make something you enjoy into work, at least not all of the time.

[Onis]

Joeian, Joetachi.

I believe you've understood ca.org's meaning a bit wrong. It's a learning forum, not the place where you show your pictures to get everyone's 'awsmgasp' comments. Even the badassest pictures get critiques, because even the most badassest artists are here to study. When you go into somewhere, you should also honor their way of doing things. I also tend to draw anime, but in here I spend my time with studying anatomy, perspectives and color theory.

In this place, yes, anime is discriminated because it's not helpful for learning the basics. If you look at that particular picture, how does it help you with learning anatomy? I read that you've studied bones and muscles, which is good, that's what we want to see. If you're more into just drawing for fun and not spending time to study it, you should probably go to gaia or deviantart. Although... you obviously have the skills and you show a bit of the right attitude towards learning, so I suggest creating a sketchbook and working for art because it seems to be something you love. :) I know I have never regretted it.

[Micaiah Nelson]

Well the comments are a bit too hardcore.
Here it is. At CA we love the art of the eastern persuasion. James Jean, Bengal, and we go ape nuts every entry george&guo makes, plus many more. But our beef is most of DA members who draw anime lacking foundation in their work and get weak criticism. They post on this site not expecting strong criticism. And when we give it to them majority never come back. I'll admitt, Nonie came in full throttle but what she said was pretty much the truth.

Your work was good but the style looks like a copy. She doesn't seem to be laying on the grass. Anatomy needs work aswell as the folds in the dress. I leave you with this qoute from a manga artist from DA! You probably missed him with all that clutter and shit.

Believe me when i tell you any pro influenced by anime and manga worth their weight in skills will agree that the anime/cartoony shit is just icing. Know the rules, THEN break them!!!
~ LeSean Thomas (http://lesean.deviantart.com/gallery/)


Good luck and I hope you come back!

[Danilo]

Al elements of figurative painting that we know today are the accepted standards.

If you look at the art history you should see that the perspective, air perspective and lightning has become the understeandable language about 15 cen.
Same as the expression and gesture has become much later.

So there is no ultimate asnwer what is the art.

(in simple words)
You dont need to know to draw to create strong images

[joeian]

is there anyone can pratice anatomy with me online?using the online drawing chat room, i think i can learn better if some one give me some tip when i am draiwng~

[Nightblue]

A lot of western people seem to have trouble distinguishing sub-styles within manga, much like how I have trouble telling american comic artists apart. I think that's where most of the unfair criticism came from.

However, with that said, your manga is on the more generic side. Many manga artists are able to develop their own style, and you'll find that most of the more well-respected manga artist have very solid fundations in form, perspective, and anatomy. I do believe that you would benefit a lot from studying from life and understand why some manga artists put lines where they do, instead of just copying it blindly. It shows in the flatness of your work.

The colors are very nice and clean though, and you are able to capture the mood of the spring.

[Oblio]

dig the rest of the forums - you will find PLENTY of information, references, and so on. The bone doctor himslef has posted huge amount of stuff.
Post your porgress - and i'm sure there will be plenty to help you.
If you want to learn - CA is the right place.

[Danilo]

Im not a teacher but would be glad to help :) you can see some of my drawings ate life section of my portfolio. Im not shure how time I can spend, but feel free to ask or show me your work.

best if you contact me on email
recevic at gmail dot com

I think also the CA has the similar sections


bye

[Rune Rask]

ok,

first of, the image does have its qualities, but as noonie said, a lot of basic
mistakes. Faults i could have made my self, so study your anatomy and have
fun while doing it! :D i think the background could have gotten a lot more love
and you didnt really push it with the clothing or character, its really stereo-type
like that :)

About all this fuss with the discussion, its really not the place to discuss this imo
but its a fun discussion so lets take it up one of these days!

Rune

[cherry0530]

Well,it's a typical kind of japanese cartoon.I don't master it. But I do think that the anatomy is strange....the shadow...
And I hope I will draw as well as you.

[Molly]

.....biased or un-biased, you MUST try and find a way of painting grass better, and other elements within your picture. The colouring throughout is very good, but your lacking texture; the ground could use a shimmy of light dancing across its blades of grass, instead of the 'go-faster' lines you have painted. It also looks like shes floating several inches above the ground; if shes lying flat, and the light is from directly above, then the spread size of the shadow wouldnt be that big. :)... there cant be anything under her except flattened grass, so, she wont be so raised.

There is very delicate anime art, with subtilties that make it so different, even in its own genre. Defining YOUR technique is bringing something of yourself into it, and I think thats what some 'biased' folk are really trying to say.

Keep at it!

[Ohaeri]

is there anyone can pratice anatomy with me online?using the online drawing chat room, i think i can learn better if some one give me some tip when i am draiwng~

If you're looking for tips, I really recommend Riven Phoenix's Drawing the Human Figure from Your Mind (http://www.youtube.com/user/RivenPhoenix) series before moving on to studies of anatomy from Loomis and Bridgman before finally just doing your own skeleton studies, then moving on to muscle, then moving on to fatty tissues/skin, then moving on to drapery, and so forth . . .

joetachi, is this (http://joetachi.deviantart.com/) you? You should start a sketchbook here, it would do you good.

Elwell is completely right. The drawings on your deviantART account are nothing like the painting here. I'm sure you would like to get to this quality in your everyday pieces and then move BEYOND it (or else, why would you have posted this?). In order to do that, you've got to start submitting stuff for critique and work really hard to find all of your weak points and eradicate them. A sketchbook on this site is a really good way of going about that.

And, after all,

It's a learning forum, not the place where you show your pictures to get everyone's 'awsmgasp' comments.

Kill your ego and start a sketchbook, and you'll be taking the quick road to goodness. :)

[Mendics]

the colorings for this piece is pretty good.. for anime of course. but other than that its like any other anime artwork.. yes i do draw anime too but i do get tired of its cliches and repetitive details, such as the triangular noses, square eyes..

Work on drawing realism and combine that knowledge into your likings, it would come out good i tell you. Of course thats what i also want to tell myself Xp

[Peter Coene]

ack, I just typed up a long thought out post and accidentally bumped one of the links to another room instead of the "post reply" button and lost all of it. Oh well. Short version: style is what you add after getting a good foundation. If you polish a turd all you have is a highly polished turd. Not saying that this piece is a turd, but you have focused on the finish rather than the foundations, and people are recognizing that fact.

If you still insist on sticking with anime, learn that there is more than one style of anime and draw reference from the other less widely used styles. FLCL looks extremely different when compared to Samurai Champloo, which is nothing like Grave of the Fireflies. At least get the heck away from the steriotypical cookiecutter immages that you are producing and try something different.

[Peter Coene]

is there anyone can pratice anatomy with me online?using the online drawing chat room, i think i can learn better if some one give me some tip when i am drawing~

Invest in a figure drawing class. I am willing to help where possible, as are most others here, however you will imrpove the most from stitting down with a pad of newsprint, some charcoal, and a naked person. In fact, take more than one class at a time if you can, immerse yourself in it. Professional training can work wonders.

[gdawe5]

I think the background confuses me...it looks like laying on the grass but the blurriness reminds me of floating in the sky.

[LuckyDevil]

All the critiques your getting here are harsh so you get motivated to create better things, and try to improve on your drawing skills in general. This is a nice piece of art, like the pose and feeling i got from it. keep improving and then you can show all these ppl how good you can become :ilaekae:

[Murder Tramp]

Sure I'm biased, I did the exact same thing for a long time. Actually my final project in one of my college classes was pretty much the same thing. Know where all that anime art got me? Nowhere.


There are plenty of people who aspire in the manga field and EXCELL in it. Its just a matter of how determined you are, probably how asian you are, and probably how obsessed. Don't hate!

Joe, don't get discouraged by how much people despise anime in here. If its something you love to draw, keep on working on it. You can draw anime while focusing on the human form. :oneye:

Originally Posted by joeian View Post"
is there anyone can pratice anatomy with me online?using the online drawing chat room, i think i can learn better if some one give me some tip when i am drawing~

Sit down in a park and draw people. There are plenty of books you could invest time in reading. I had a teacher who literally made everyone memorize every muscle in the body. Check out the Bartleby book: http://www.bartleby.com/107/