POSERS, MTV Zombies, america's youth in general

[walking-in-minefield]

Ok I'l break this down so it doesn't seem to intimidating:

1.)What do you think about MTV Fucks or mtv/tv in general

2.)Some experiences with this sell out generation
-shows, school,street= anywhere you've had confrontation

3.)Establishment in general and how its bigger than ever

4.)things you've done or can do to fix this never-ending capitalist death cycle

5.)Just basically anything you have to say about stupid fucks walking down the street with their tommy hilfiger shirts and those stupid ass devil fingers saying shit like Nirvana is the best, and if you don't drink and smoke you're a pussy, meanwhile wearing a fucking muscle shirt of the ramones or sex pistols or something, and so then (your name) proceeds to take the 2 by 4 sitting happily against the wall and beat their fucking face in, and smash the fucking bottle over their head and put the cigarette out in their fucking stupid ass corporate shit fucker eye, sorry just had to get that out they're will be more to come

6.)and for those of you who are like go america and uncle sam's my hero please don't throw a fucking fit ok, just give me your side and try and convince me of the goodness of the great ole' red white and blue(hahaha yeah right, but seriously do post anyways), hope this doesn't get shut down right away, I would think here we are all open minded and obviously creative individuals who have taken different perspectives on life then the general public allowing us to act like civilized(haha) human beings capable of a little discussion amongst your peers.

[gasmask]

This is the dumbest most ignorant post i have ever seen on CA, get a life, you have no basis behind any of your opions to call people "fucks" based on what they choose to wear or what music they like, your just a typical anti establishment type that puts everyone in a fuckin mold when your in a mold yourself, so i guess your a fuck too, hell i guess we are all fucks according to your statements.

[walking-in-minefield]

i'll attempt to answer the statements in the correct order, how should i get a life, this thread was spawned from another thread where me and about 10 other people were talking about similar topics, I decided to move the dscussion here so we wouldn't take up space where the actual art goes, and this took me a total of 2 minutes to type so I don't think I have no life because of it, and say I do then what are you doing here with me in this seemingly no life area. Of course everyone's a fuck and and everyone is fucked, and secondly I'm not saying I don't fit into a mold, if i didn't then I wouldn't exist, of course I'm anti-establishment and of course I have opinions about people like that and people like you, just as you have opinions about me and as far as having no basis, look out your window or even through the one that lights up and shows you all the pretty pictures of what to buy, who to like and what to do in life and you'll see all the basis I need to make these and many more statements to come on people that I feel like opinionating, but i do thank you for not just saying fuck you i love america and leaving

[Sammy]

I have to agree with Gaskmask, this is pretty ignorant... You've spouted out some textbook examples of how our "world is falling appart!"

1: You probobly shouldn't put MTV down considering that your rant is pretty much cut and paste from 80% of music video lyrics currently cycled.

2: I'd like to stay and chat.. but I got more productive things to do.. good luck "bringing down the Man" or "Fighting the Machine"... you'll be here for a while

[MrMojo]

I love the anarchist anti-establishment people who just got done reading Brave New World and think they're on to something.

[gasmask]

LOL

[jmascho]

post some art.

[jrr]

hehe, no , no continue this INTERESTing rant.... it's like, woah!


:bash:

[walking-in-minefield]

ok i think there's some confusion, i do love art and will continue to post it, but this was something i wanted to get off my chest at the moment and felt as though others might want to as well, of course I won't change the world and stop establishment with this little hole in the wall conversation we're partaking in here, and I don't think this is unproductive, in fact just the opposite, especially coming from an artist, and I've seen you're work and your definitely one, so how could you find someone or someones fighting against conformity unproductive, if you were only allowed to draw blocks in your art you'd want to fight, am i correct, well this is the lounge first off so its off topic, and secondely that's what I'm trying to do and help others do, fight or at least see something they're not, maybe if I can reach a few minds life would be at least a little better for those few, so I don't think its ignorant, I'll say fuck when and where I find it neccesary and they've been cussing in music since the 50's, so I hardly think its a speciality of this newer generation in music, hope that didn't come off rude, but then again I somehow find myself not caring if it did or didn't(haha)

oh yeah and um, what did i want to say, oh that's right... fuck brave new world, just another form of control, "think" I'm onto something, please, look up once in awhile and you'll see what exactly it is I'm on to.

[winjer]

how old are you

[daniela]

Hey, great idea for a debate. All I have to say is that if you don't like the "establishment", then you need to change yourself first. Instead of buying a pair of jeans because everyone else is wearing them, look for the pair that is the best quality and won't wear out too quickly. You need to do small things like that. Eventually other people may follow your example. If not, you can at least be satisfied with the fact that you are living based on how you want to live, not how the "establishment" thinks you should.

[nor]

what a waste of such HARD-EARNED webspace. Manley and Jones pay over 200$ per month so people can start these kind of threads?

[daniela]

Jnorish: How is this a waste of webspace? This is the lounge and the last time I heard, anything goes here. Walking-in minefield had something that he wanted to get off of his chest. At least he posted it in the appropriate forum. Please join the debate Jnorish and expound upon your views. Or if you think it is a waste of your time (which it probably is) post some more artwork! I enjoy looking at the pieces you post on CA!:)

Edit: walking-in-minefield: I noticed that you listed your location as being in California. I was wondering if you exercised your right to vote today. If you want to go against the "establishment", IMO voting is a good place to start.

[bRyaN]

Well i think we are all lucky because this establishments, some people to fight against give them a RIGHT to do so..

At least we can spout comments about how much distaste one has for MTV to how some people hate how much some people bitche about these things without doing anything to help change the current trend...

Imagine if you lived, in like Cuba...put to the death for something as small as that...

God Bless this "establishment"...errr...... i mean America...

[cotron]

I remember when I was super-punk...

say, how do you post on that computer of yours? who made it? a CORPORATION?!? who makes the clothes you're wearing? a... CORPORATION? how do you get electricity? how do you have running water? I realize that all is not right with our society, actually a whole lot is wrong, but there are still things we require from it. Like money. It sucks, but it's what our way of life was founded on. Move to Cuba, or China, see how you like it. Maybe you really would enjoy yourself there. Most likely not. And I also know that what I'm typing out right now will be disregarded, because I used to say the same shit you're saying now, just as angrily...and just as nonsensical. It's much easier to close off your mind and have a scapegoat.

You shouldn't hate the kids who follow the trends on MTV, they just don't know better. And, it's not like being an angry punk kid is anything new, or original. In fact, it's just as trendy now as it ever was. The Dead Kennedies licensed "Holiday in Cambodia" for an airline commercial for christ's sake. Look past the surface, realize that kids are just kids, no matter what they're into musically. And, that you're not changing anything by being a dick to everyone around you...just making yourself mad.

[Sammy]

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchdump/rant.jpg

[gasmask]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[BlackRose]

so let me get this stright. i like popular bands, mtv has some good shows, establishment is fine, and i dont think anyone "sells out"

so im a fuck?

liking a certain tv show is bad?
so doing what you love and getting paid is selling out?
confomity is bad?

dude go the hell up. people will do what they want regardless of ignorant people like you say. i hate it when people try to come off as badasses by saying they're anti-conformity establishment and "sell outs". just because someone likes something you dont agree with doesn't give you the right to call them fucks

[mcotie]

The best way to be anti- whatever is to just turn it off. If you don't like MTV, then don't watch it. If you don't like "poser" punks, recognize they exist as a characteristic of our current society and move on with your own life. Make a difference with your life.

If you think about it nothing has really changed since the 50's. kids then were wearing the cuffed jeans and white t's with the cigs rolled up in the sleeves, chooping the cars up and cruising the strip. white kids listening to the black mans blues and rock and roll (Elvis is NOT the king of Rockn'Roll-Hello) was the "in" thing, just as it is with rap today. Guys slightly older than that generation at the time were calling them punks and greasers and who knows what else because they didn't like what they were seeing.

But you're obviuosly PAYING for cable so you can watch MTV. hell I watch tv maybe 2 hours a week tops; my kids just a bit on the weekends. That's because I do shit WITH my kids. the MTV generation that you speak of is just a bi-product of parents planting their kids in front of a tv to shut them up and not giving a shit about them; who else are they going to look up to?

Anger is a gift. but use it efficiently and channeled to productiveness. Make a difference if it pisses you off.

Mitch

[strych9ine]

Sammy, that was too friggin' funny...

[van]

Get a dictionary. Better yet, a thesaurus. Learn another word besides FUCK. It's hard to be eloquent and sway opinions when you sound like a retard.

[egerie]

Originally posted by mcotie
Anger is a gift. but use it efficiently and channeled to productiveness. Make a difference if it pisses you off.


That's probably the wisest thing said in this thread so far.

[Fisa]

Originally posted by Sammy
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchdump/rant.jpg

haha looks like he stole charlie brown's shoes. :D

[walking-in-minefield]

like the drawing, change the hair, inverted mohawk, kind of like the guy frm prodigy but I'm not bald so I don't need gel for the sides to stick up, anyways, everyone here is just jumping on the band wagon, someone give me a reason why this is a waste of time, why I should just shut the fuck up or why I might be illeterate when my words are clear and understandable, so what if I get a little pasionate towards something I feel strongly about, I'm not trying to be a bad-ass, obviously I don't give a shit about being looked down upon, the shirt I'm wearing right now says, "to big-brother and the war makers, to the racists and women haters, to the gay bashers and welfare slashers, to the prison builders and executioners, we say the future is not yours, we will refuse and resist, refuseandresist.com, now i didn't want to get political, but go ahead check the fucking site out for once, I'm not some dumb-ass who hears someone say fuck tha police, and decides to give everyone else the finger, I do so with reason, and understanding of what it is I fight, I'll never be true anti-establishment unless I lived naked and alone on some deserted island, I'm just trying to fight it while in it, not running from the problem, I confront it, now with this thread I realize I used words like poser and even mtv, but this was to draw people to the conversation, If I printed I pledge allegiance to no flag under any god, anyone agree??? I would get so much crap right off the bat NO one could even begin to understand what I'm trying to get across, I'm not trying to be an asshole, you just see me as conflict and people in general don't react well to conflict and like to, for lack of a better word, flock together through times of confliction hence the aforementioned bandwagoning, so again thank you for reading this so far, but please, If your joe america or maybe there might be someone out there who's at least a little on my side, it doesn't matter give me your opinion not your longest finger, or at least do both at the same time, again sorry about getting political, i didn't want to, but I feel as of right now its the only way this can become a decent and comprehensive conversation, again thanks to all, America fucks or otherwise(sorry, you know I have to piss you off some how so there you go, but then again I'm not sorry...mmmhh)...and if you're still reading your insane but thank you and please tell me something anything, and i would like to thank those who have tried, and again I'm only 16 so I have no kids

*edit-sorry its refuseandresist.org, got a little carried away and mispelled it

*edit- guess I am illiterate when I can't spell it.

[winjer]

What youre experiencing is called teenage angst. Give it 4 more years and youll feel better.Dont define yourself by what you hate. Hate will rob you of any enjoyment you could have in life. Youre not the first person ever to have those feelings, but as we get older it matters less and less. Why dont you make some cool anti establishment art and post that?

[daniela]

Hey dude, sounds like you are the poser, not us. Listen to winjer. "This too shall pass." In a few years you are going to look back and wonder what the hell you were thinking. Why don't you tone it down a bit so you will actually have some friends left when you get over this phase of your life? I may only be 21, but I can tell you that even at this age I have looked back at the things that I did when I was younger, and they look pretty foolish and pointless to me now. Hate is not going to get you where you want to be. Living well and listening to your inner self is.

Look us up when you have matured a little more and then maybe we can have an INTELLIGENT discussion about the "establishment." :D

[walking-in-minefield]

ok we've established(maybe that's the wrong word) that the beginning statement was just a ploy to lure people here, now if you would go ahead and read my last post you would realize this is not teenage angst, it is angst, but angst for those of all ages, this will not pass and it is not meaningless, again I'm sorry fr making this political, but I just thought I would have some fun and hear some cool stories if I just fucked with some lame kids that are really pissing me off right now, but since no one seems interested in that and find me to come off as some sort of tormented teenager saying fuck school and nothing more, I have turned to what is really behind all that "angst."

*Now please read my last post, try and visit the site, and don't give opinions if you don't know the whole story, I've done my research how about doing yours.

[helix7]

I feel your pain brother. I used to be pretty much just like you, down with R&R and hating the establishment and the media takeover by huge corporations. After about a year of this I realized what a waste of time that whole scene was. Life is too short to be so damn angry and I eventually got over it. Chances are you will too, but if you don't, I hope you learn to sift through the bullshit on both sides of the arguement and decide for yourself what to believe. Just because R&R puts it on a t-shirt or posts it on their website doesn't mean that you should immediately believe in it. Think it through and decide for yourself. Be yourself and be a free-thinker. Otherwise you're no better than the drones you are speaking out against.

[FunkYeti]

I feel stupid even posting in this thread but I agree with the "teenage angst comment". Once you move out, live on your own for awhile and have to worry about paying bills, i.e. rent, car payments, etc. and working so you can pay for these things you tend to lose interest in things like mtv and "posers". Now these things are good to have in mind when your in highschool because it gives you something to do and helps forms your opinions and so on but once the real world comes knocking these concerns tend to slip into the background. This is just personal experience here. I like things now I thought I would never like in highschool and I'm a person I never thought I would be in highschool. I still share some of the concerns but they are menial and I only give them a single thought when I happen to flip by MTV on the tube. Just keep in mind though the only people who try to prove they have intellects are the ones without one.

[Sammy]

walking-in-minefield,
You're still young and these concerns are normal, so by all means experience everything there is in every phase of life.
(just keep yourself safe, don't hurt anybody, and keep in mind the things you post here can be read throughout the world/by professionals you'll hope to work with one day)

And until you introduce a new form of balance that supports 8 billion humans (and countless other organisms), the rest of us are gonna stick with what we have.... Because it's worked longer than you, I, and everyone’s' lives here rolled into one and multiplied 10 fold.

There hasn't been a global genocide of our species yet .. and as far as I'm concerned we are constantly learning from our actions.

Everything will be ok

:chug:

[shadow]

Hey walking-in-minefields, its nice that you have posted your thoughts. One of the best things about being a person is free-speech. In response to your views, I think that, while a good idea, your ideas are a little misguided.
Anger solves nothing. Look at every war, every-one started in anger. If you want to change your goverment, get involved in politics. If you want to change your culture, and capitilism, get involved. Sitting at home and ranting, while satisfying, will get you no-where. I suggest, If you are 18(thats the voting age in Canada, I don't know about America) join a political party, or if you dont like any, make your own. try wearing hemp. If there is one fashion to be started that should be it. All in all, actions speak louder than words, but bashing in someones face will only land you in jail for life, and stigmatize your cause. :)

[van]

Shut up and draw!

:cool:

[walking-in-minefield]

I draw, I am involved, I protest, deface government property all that good shit, the thing with the t-shirt was to get you to understand the basics of the website if you didn't actually feel like going there, and I do have one hemp article of clothing, but I find it to be a bit pricey you know, I just get my shit free at events I go to, protests, shows blah blah blah, or on the sidewalk or in the trash can, whatever, and of course everyone lies, some more than others, there is no whole truth except that the world is fucked, or at least humanity is, whether its patriot fucks or anti-patriot fucks, but I prefer to be fucked with the latter crowd, and I don't just go to R&R, but I feel that it covers just about all the basics, but if you want lists of other places to go I can post them, and helix7 what's up with you, once I read you used to be down with r&r I was thinking wow ok this guy's cool, but then you say you just got over it, JUST GOT OVER IT, how do you get over government controlled civil war in Africa, child slavery in every continent on the face of the planet, hunger, starvation, aids.

I'm sorry I don't what I'm doing or saying, i guess I just had an epiphany or something, I know no one's listening, no one will say what they really mean, and I'm just listing shit you've heard before and you'll just get over it like all of you have apparently done before, so go pay the fucking bills sit back and wait for the end, if you have shit to say about me I don't care, giving up on people sucks, but this is like talking to a brick wall, I'll answer you if you say something other than ya I felt like that once, don't worry it'll pass, like it was some fucking phase or something, well I really didn't think letting a dictator rule his kingdom by marching children into battle and the only help these children get are bombs from the great protector, and a couple of good snapshots of military fucks giving some kid a flower on the evening news was a phase, but if it makes you happy to not think about death and just concentrate on your little cubicle or desk or whatever, than I guess that's ok too, we'll all be 6 feet under one day anyways right, no one will remember us, no one will care just like we don't remember or care about those that came before us hundreds of years ago, so fuck it

[shadow]

Wow, gee did you even read my post?:rolleyes:

[walking-in-minefield]

shadow I made note of your post at least 3 times read it again

[helix7]

I never got over the serious issues.. I just got over being pissed off at the world. I realized that me being angry never solved anything. It never helped anyone and it never made a difference in the world.

[van]

Originally posted by walking-in-minefield
I draw, I am involved, I protest, deface government property all that good shit

Deface government property? Yah...that is a great way to affect change. Maybe you have seen the Black Eyed Peas video one too many times.

Where is the love?

:evilbat:

[walking-in-minefield]

um no. did you happen to read the title of this thread, mtv zombies... blah blah blah, obviously I'm not exactly what you would call a video person. thanks for reading though, and yes i no i said i wouldn't respond to stuff like this but come on this was too easy

[van]

Originally posted by walking-in-minefield
um no, did you read the title of this thread, mtv zombies and such, obviously I'm not exactly what you would call a video person. thanks for reading though, and yes i no i said i wouldn't respond to stuff like this but come on this was too easy

Come on. Your attitude is the same one displayed in every rock video on MTV. Well, ok...maybe not the Britney Spears videos. Your nothing special, dude. I have read through this whole thread and tried to make some sense out of your attitude, but I just can't. You sound like my angry nephew who is finally starting to realize that anger does nothing but add to the negative atmosphere surrounding your generation.

*shrugs*

I will leave you alone though. I will leave you to stew in the negative. I will be drawing, spending time with my wife and kids, and generally enjoying life.

[.cfb]

Wow, whats this teenage angst thing. I'm 15, and I'm definitaly not experiencing it. I don't know if I conform, in all seriousness. I wear whatever I want, which is mostly whatever I see that catches my attention at whatever store happens to catch my attention at the mall. I listen to whatever music I like, some might say that I conform in this regard: I really do like some of the MTV bands, though not many. Music comes down to a matter of taste, really. My music tastes range from Dredg to Aphex Twin to Beatles to Led Zepplin to Red Hot Chili Peppers to Rammstein (etcetera). Now, you could say that I conform to the whatever the fuck group.

Whats so bad about groups, really? And why should you care? Because someone dresses emo/punk/goth does that mean that you hate them? Maybe they dress emo/punk/goth because they like the emo/punk/goth look. I do, I don't dress like that, but personally I think it looks pretty good.

Another thing that you need to realize is that you yourself have conformed to a group. Your the "hate mainstream" group, and theirs a lot of you. It's fairly hypocritical in my opinion, to hate groups, since you'll ALWAYS be in a group. I mean, you could be goth/punk/emo, you could be MTV/Rap-Rock/Pop, you could be Raggedy Jeans/80's Metal. Whatever you decide you like, and however you dress, your always conforming in some way.

Just my 2 cents.

[fish~]

.cfb and w-i-mf you have the pleaseant luxury to be young and intelligent enough, to have the time to care about things out of your controll. observe, enjoy and learn from it, for if the opporutity arrises u may be able do something about it somewere down the road.

[walking-in-minefield]

who said I wasn't part of a group, if you would have read everything i posted you would have never seen me use the word conform, because I have, I've conformed to the lifestyle I'm living and how its been lived out before me, and how could someone not be part of group, everything has been done, history repeats itself, so you have to fall into the category you are essentially repeating in one form or another, and I don't care what you listen to, as long as its not some mtv or vh1 or whatever it is bullshit that's been written by some writer who is dressing up these little tools and telling them what to do and say, again the whole mtv punk emo shit was just to get others like me to come here and tell some fucked up stories they've had with them, now that I see the few that I've talked to have yet to visit this thread I have acknowledged that, that part of this conversation that has developed was just for fun, not to be taken seriously but what I've been forced to do now is take this into political seriousness because my stance on resistance is being questioned and passed off as "angst," and there's probably some other things I forgot to address, but right now I'm kind of bored with repeating myself so I'l come back a little later

[mtw]

Learn to write good essays before you start topics like this. I read through some of your posts and could hardly understand you.

[walking-in-minefield]

goddamit, I said i was tired of repeating myself but I have to address fish, I do appreciate you coming here and reading over what's been discussed, but what you're saying is wait until the time is right, until everything is ok to deal with, but that's just what I'm trying to inform these wonderfully talented artists at the boards not to do, waiting is costing too many peoples lives, we are a nation of waiting, and when its gotten to the point where its so bad it affects us, we do only enough to help ourselves, we need to step into these problems and crush them no matter how big or far off down the road they are, sorry If I'm a little angry I just got a little pissed off that's all, again its nothing against any of you, I have come off as an asshole I know, but I do realize that being brought up the way almost all of you have its hard to even discuss topics I have brought up, so that's why I've been jumping in your face about it, to get you angry, pissed or even sad, anything that would spark life in that revolutionary in all of us, and don't beleive I'm sitting here talking my ass off over nothing, I do donate whatever I can my time, my clothes, whatever money I can find, I protest and I spend every summer in Mexico with my uncle, so I know how bad it is, I'm not just reading this stuff off the internet, and that's not to say my life is bad, its great, too great, I have a computer, a roof a bed and food and the chance to speak out without being shot for treason, I know these things I do, but if you don't speak out against what is the norm to fight against, then you will just have the same people fighting the same things that won't change anytihng, you need to be isolated from the mainstream, even the anti-mainstream, because its not about pissing off your teachers or some dumb-ass lapd pig looking at you like he wants to kill you because you give him the finger and tell him to shove it, this is human lives I'm talking about, from brutality to sweatshops, racism to bombing cover ups, I do care I'm not a tight-ass who likes to piss people off, If I could I would love to be buddy buddy with everyone, but the things they do and beleive in just can't allow it, so again give me everything you've got but please read everyting before you give your opinion

[walking-in-minefield]

I'm sorry mtw, i know its not spaced out and shit but i'm just not too good at typing and using proper english at the same time

[.cfb]

Wow, you must be the bane of the English department at your school. Your posts are horrible spaced out, like others have said. And I used to think Throeau was bad.

Anyways: You stated that you don't like celebrity figures telling people what to do, to paraphrase it, because I'm too lazy to look through your posts again. So, doesn't everybody follow somebody/thing at least partially blindly to some degree?

[walking-in-minefield]

oh man cfb, the only time i've explained that is in response to your last post, so good luck finding it or not finding it, and i'm pretty sure if you read the 1st line it'll explain everything

[MrMojo]

Yes, let's start a revolution ! Oh boy, maybe even 10 of us "artists". We can bring our brushes. Watch out, world ! Trust me, you don't have it nearly bad enough to start a revolution. A revolution won't work anyway, don't even try.

Anti mainstream is just as damn bad as the mainstream ( or as good, if you will). We do want to think that there is a mystery, an evil government, and we are one of the only ones "realizing" it, while the rest of the world views it through a wall. Realize, however, that being a part of the "not in" crowd is the same as being a part of the "in" crowd, and you're really not seeing the truth.

[fish~]

w-in-mf..i never intended to tell you to wait. what i ment was that you have the luxury of having the time to think about these issues because at 16 you have minimal repsonsibilties to take into concern..
most of us older people have alot to lose. and there fore alot of less global things on our mind
I neither condem nor condone your topic, but i do think your on the right track to learning....

one thing though reaction is not the same as action.
defacing govrnment property and buying "hemp" clothing is not a construtive solution to any of these problems

if you want to do something take the tools and oportunities you are givin and WORK your way to your goal rather then forceing it on other people with vauge one sided statements.

war and conflict is older then humanity, solving it "right now" is just not gonna happen.
relgious conflict alone thousands of years old. and as you said

"we need to step into these problems and crush them no matter how big or far off down the road they are"

which is excatly what each side is tring to do :(..

patiance and understanding will in time solve these problems and that is what i mean by "wait"

no problem has a clear black and white answer or it would have been done already..

ps. your are not comming of as a "asshole" as long as you are construtive. its good to know you are thinking of these issues and as long as you stay civil people will be happy to debate with you

you might wan't to consider civil planning for a proffesion.
you have the opportunity to tackle and plan communites/areas from a design and political standpoint. you have the power to create a "working system" . but that does mean there must be rules and laws in which you must abide.

[walking-in-minefield]

last post, sorry if i stepped on some toes, but tonight is going to be my last post, I really don't give a shit I mean what's the point anyway, I haven't seen my home in years, I miss being young and innocent, carefree and laying out in the parking lot of our old aprtments with my first friend ever, joel, its funny I've never met anyone with that name since, and just walking around the wash that was next to our building, I miss Nick and Alex and Will and keith and rey and a shitload of others that I want to name but I can't, I'm in some what of a rush, I miss Arroyo Seco Jr. High, Foster Elementary the YMCA, Spoonful of Sugar, I miss so much I can't even begin to explain, I wasn't meant to be born, I was going to be aborted and the doctor was checking to see if I was too old to be aborted and he accidentally knocked me into the correct direction to be delivered, I was supposed to die, Now everyone's gone, I know this is the wussy way out or whatever but I don't give a shit, I haven't truly seen the sun in so long, I miss it so much, just standing out side in 116 degree heat 2 inches from that star and shivering from the heat, anyways thank you for giving your honest opinions and taking time out of your lives to talk with me, thanks again, I'm off to see the sun, bye

[Sammy]

I don't know what it is you want or ever wanted from us, and if you indeed speak the truth I'm sorry for any offence taken.

I feel that in one way or another we all care about you or we wouldn't post our advice ... people your age, people twice your age, and professionals have givin you their take on the matters...very very valuable information from people who are living in the same world as you and have had the same realizations... and I know you've larned something from the experience. (I have as well)

Either way, I look forward to the next piece of art you produce.. I hope you speak your concerns through it.

[bRyaN]

He's only 16...wow

[bizarre]

wow. w-i-m makes me feel really old, you know?

"yeahp. i 'member when ah was yer age, i uss'ta run 'round wit big ol' hand-carved 4 guage plugs in mah earlobes, i had the voo-doo hair culler, and the angry, hateful music runnin in the backgrown'. Ah uss'ta set bildin's on fiyah, juss ta see em burrn. Ayup, I was the MAN!"

Hehe. I'm sorry, kid, but once you... you know, leave the house every once in a while, work maybe 6-8 hours a day, 6 days a week at less than $6 an hour (oh yeah and uncle sam's charity fund takes that down another like 30% or so.), you kinda realise that those poser kids... they really, really don't give two shits about the music or the clothes. they'd just rather not be ostracized at school, which is where they spend a better part of their day, maybe 30 hours a week, i believe. catch em outside of school, and there are exceptions but a lot of them are pretty interesting people. When you get a life and stop trying to imitate the artists and entertainers who only get paid by the posers and sheep and zombies who shell out the $15 for their so-called "music" and then another $20 for tshirts with their logo on them.

Go to a few concerts, get your head kicked in moshing. Start a fight with one of the jocks and then end up being hospitalized by the entire junior varsity football team. Flip off every cop you see, spit a lot, smoke, piss in public, become the most vile, disgusting thing you can become. Then, do that for 4 consecutive years, and as you get better at being the most horrific, rotting-corpse ugy thing on earth, you'll start to see how much fun being a poser really is. See, those people get jobs. Those people get friends. Those people get to live out those stupid, corny highschool memory things everyone talks about.

i can tell you from experience that you're not going to get anywhere. you're not going to be anything. you're not going to get anything. nobody will help you out. nobody will care. give up now, get a job, take a shower and earn some money.

oh, wow i read a few of this kid's posts... haha. "i'm gonna go see the sun! yippee!"

have fun. yeah, that's the SMART thing to do. right.

Blah. i've been there, done that, done her and her and lived to regret this and that. i'm really unsure whether i should or should not press the Submit Reply button, because i wouldn't want to bump this thread up, but oh well here goes. Thank god for the edit button, eh?

[amphex]

hhahahaha, a fellow 16 year old, and this one is even funnier, in a dumb way, than me :DDDD

[Gezstar]

Please learn to punctuate! I don't want to sound like a rude bastard, but I find it ironic that you look down on the MTV generation so much when you can't create a coherent sentence.

[geronimo66]

hmmmmm teenage drama... :D

[davi]

When i was in highschool, i think at first i started to think the same way, "hey you guys aren't cool because you think you are cool" I hung out with kids who hated the governent and have never lead a life outside of school and recess. The kids who think that people that watch mtv are lesser are basicly probably either jealous of how simple people can lead their lifes and end up with smile, or that they don't see how igronant they really are for trying so to shut people down that they are really just making themselves look like the jerks.

When i was eh... 15 i used to listen to every agnsty rock group... though i QUICKLY grew up out of it, thankfully, i realized i had nothing income with this jibberish these bands are putting out, and i'm seriously positive the bands don't either. Shit, i saw a P.o.D. video on mtv the other day and the members are like 30 and they are showing clips of girls being picked on in highschool bathrooms or something...

90% of the frustrations are caused by the people themselves and not the actual events/things they moan about.

[Neil]

there is more to life than worrying about what other people do

if you get so angry at little things like what shirt or brand people are wearing you are going to die at a very early age from high blood pressure from all the stress.

Every generation has had their oddballs, nerds, jocks, rich kids, goodie two shoes, band kids, etc. You can't act like this generation is really any different than others.

[N D Hill]

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/1057/Goth.html

[pvrhye]

(A note: I didn't read every post here so pardon any redundancy. This is aimed at the topic starter, but others may find it an interesting read.)

What clothing you do or do not wear and what music you listen to bears little importance in distinguishing who you are. Humans are the product of so many thousands of processes and idiosyncrocies that to give artificial importance to a small number belittles both your own values and pays little respect toward the values of others. To most of those people music is nothing more than a nice beat to litsten to and clothing is something the opposite sex finds attractive. These are fine assumptions, and there is nothing wrong with indifference.
Others, like myself, like to put a bit more personal stock in how they dress themselves. I am a walking billboard for the things that I find interesting, a veritable icon of capitalism. My interests are easily read down the blade of the swordsman on my bootleg Samurai Showdown tee-shirt. I place great value in the music I listen to and even listen to bands when I don't believe in everything they may have to say. That is the nature of free speech. Like yourself I hold music and clothing as values.
Others' values vary. Some could care less what they throw on, and what others wear seems good enough. They value thier football game, they value dating and socializing. These too are viable options.
It is when people decide that they must judge the value of another person by thier own values that I begin to get offended. Those who look down on others who can't play football, who don't have a date and who wear the same shirt as half the people in class are filth. They are ignorant mindless trash not fitting of the bullet if would take to shut them up. Lets hope you don't let yourself fall into this catagory.

[awalloffire]

For most people angst turns into cynicism (of which I am sometimes guilty) when they get older. Cynicism is the most self-involved, unproductive, pseudo passive position anyone can find themselves in. If you are truly passionate about some of the things you have mentioned (conspicuous consumerism, the omnipresent media,etc.) that angst will turn into directed concern and hopefully action. Aping, ridiculing, and otherwise accosting kids on the street will only turn them off to you and your message. Also, keep in mind the words of Bertrand Russell, "Remember that your motives are not always as altruistic as they seem to yourself.", and consider that they may not be grateful for your helpful advice. This may relieve some of the 'persecution mania'(something ,I'm afraid, most of these posts have only increased) you seem to be suffering from. This empire will fall as all before it have, we can only strive for happiness until then.