Divide Et Impera

[Oblio]

Hi,

As you can see, new areas have emerged in the last forum update and I… well, I have a small favor to ask.

Let’s use each section as designed.
It will allow all of us an easier and more pleasant visit to these boards, more feedback and it will put a sense in everything. Oh... and you will have someone to curse… me!

So… about this area:
I know it’s hard for you (and damn harder for me) to decide which piece is finished and which is not – you know better how much time you have spent on it, what were you aiming for etc. but if it’s a sketch, post it in that area... if you need help... post it in that area, if it’s a link… you get the picture. You’ll get the coverage, don’t worry.
It takes a long time and a full load of work to make a piece finished. Let's pay the respects to each and every one who makes it to an end, post our feedback, good or bad and try to do the same.

Let’s make the finished area like a "gold portfolio of the concepartorgians" and take the breath of every new guest on our boards.
Let's make each post on the finished area like a big event. Anyway, enough propaganda blah-blah. :chug:

I will send a PM asking for your approval if I will ever want to move or “do something” to your thread - so read your inbox after you post a new thread.
I hope you will excuse me for this intervention. It is good intended. If you have any other opinions or ideas please post them below.
Thank you.

Oblio

P.S. – in this thread it is allowed to curse the Oblio.

[keyth]

oh ob. how i curse thee. you and your damn rulez.:p

[jezelf]

I agree (not the cursing, but the principle)...but then doesn't that mean this thread should be in the 'lounge' section?? :rolleyes: :)

cheers
jez

[davi]

i'd rather have a beer...

oh i mean, what he said... yeah whee!

[Oblio]

@Jezelf - ye.. sure - it's just that ANYTHING goes in the lounge (no order there my friend.. chaos shall rule the underground of the lounge) and.. i have no "Delete" power there anyway ;)
@keyth - obey... (btw - check your forum mate.. there is a young fellow who screams for help "Please delete my post" and you are torturing him day by day with ignorance.. you.. bastard!) :D

@davi - :chug: sure.. there will be more posts in other areas now.. right? The way it should be.. i mean. Let's drink to that :chug:

Obliomus :eek:

[keyth]

oh, how i love to torture.:p

no, i know what you mean ob. if there's a sketch section...why not put a sketch in there.;)

[Hedrus]

It sounds good to me, but I do have a question. What about "concept art"? Not Illustration. Concept art often looks unfinished, doesn't have a background and is loosely done. I hardly would call concepts sketches. To me sketches are prep work for a finish illustration or for learning something(like anatomy). Doodles are doodles. Anyway, hope this makes sense. I do allot of concepts for work and do illustrations on the side for fun. I consider them both "finished" and neither of them doodles or prep sketch work.

Kenzie

[davi]

Being that this forum is a conceptual art based forum i think that point should be made clear already. Even though this forum seems to break from the standard "this is concept" style artwork, i still believe in it's nature.
Roughly here are my descriptions...
Finished: Work that could be showed to a pro or someone in a business as a "finished" work or design. Usually not just a sketch rough doodle.
Sketch: Rough sketchs, doodles, and layout/plans.
Wip: Working up to the finished work/design.

[keyth]

:iws:

[jester]

Einverstanden!
D'accord.
Agreed.
Muy bien!

:D

Jester

[mcotie]

A concept is not ONLY an unfinished sketch. It can't be.
If your client wants to see the new character fleshed out completely in an environment, to get a good idea of what it looks like, guess what it needs to be finished, right? Look at any of Jason's environments or Seegmillers completed concepts. It's all about showing something that hasn't been created yet. regardless of how "finished" it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think illustration and concept art sort of go hand in hand.

Mitch

[keyth]

i agree with mcotzzz about illustration and concept art going in here. but...i don't know this is a tough one. i don't think anything like portraits or the like should go in here. maybe if people post something totally finished they could still supplement it with a couple of sketches pertaining to the finished peice. hmmmmmmmm.

[Oblio]

In the finished area i think we should have any kind of work that you would have in your top portfolio.
As a friend of mine used to say, in a portfolion you'd better have only one bad ass piece then 10 so and so.
If ou have a kick ass piece it means you are a kick ass artist, if you have 10 pieces 1 kicking ass and 9 "just ok" you are an "just ok" artist with a kick ass piece. Do I make any sense?
Anyway.. I used to hire artists based on their portfolio.. and if I get mean.. I could apply the same rulles here - yet.. i'm not doing that anymore and... well... I don't wanna get mean with the people I love... meaning you conceptartorgians :chug: May the force be with us! :beer:

My initial demand was to ask you to post each piece where it belongs. It is MUCH easier not to make dirt then to clean it.
And to give you an example I have my outbox full of PM's to people sent 3 or more weeks ago which are not yet read even that they have logged in since.. many many times. :bash:
So.. people.. read your inbox!!!!

Oblio

[keyth]

Ob's nuts.

[davi]

concept = unfinished?
that's bullturd.
a concept is an idea, and ideas can be shown in a finished maner or in a sketch.

[Death.By.Pencil]

i agree with Davi. Some of the best concepts i've seen have come from simple quick sketches (especially from brainstorming sessions). Doing a nice illustration is icing on the cake, and good for presentations, but a pretty picture can't make any bad concept a good one.

[jwatson]

I know that this is all my fault. I didn't realize that I was posting in the wrong section. Do you just want me to delete my thread?

[Nordstrand, T]

Sketches, roughs, doodles, concepts, all have their worth of course. I propose, though, that something put in the "Finished" section should have a (*gasp*) "finished" look, as opposed to being simply "ended". In my opinion, a finished piece should be the result of more than an hour or two's work. I have little fear in this matter, though, as Oblio will certainly whip us to shreds if we're out of line.

Please, accept my sincere curses, and good health to you and your family.

[davi]

not all artists have the skill level to do a 2 hour work and make it look "finished" to the level at what YOU might consider it finished. We can't just have 1/8 of CA allowed to post in a section cause the others are as professional as the others.

[Nordstrand, T]

Davi, I take it your reply is directed towards me. To enforce a "quality standard" would be utterly wrong IMO. But to expect the artist to spend a considerable amount of time and effort on a Finished piece surely fits this forum. Doing the best that one can will be enough for me. I think we then are able to critique to the full the artist's ability, and not waste time pointing out any flaws and inconsistencies that occur because the artist consciously did not want to give it more of his time.

Personally, I'd like everybody to post their finest moments here. If Jason whips out an amazing one-hour concept that makes me weep, that's great. I still think he should post it in the Sketches/WIP section, no matter his quality level. If he spends 8 hours + doing a tribute to Toulouse-Latrec for print, it would probably fit this section better, don't you think?

Hmm, I think I just repeated the points in Oblio's first post. If I got them right, that is. He's kinda fuzzy sometimes :D

[steve kim]

personally i feel the forum has too many subdivisions as it is. i tend to visit the sections that have the most life (in fact i have the finished gallery bookmarked, not the main index), and how it's set up it's easy to look passed the sections that only have like 50 posts or whatever.

i think finished is finished, whether it took 30 minutes or 30 hours. it's in the intent. doodles and tests and stuff obviously belong in the sketches section, but i think it is harmful to omit work that may not appear especially polished or time consuming.

[Montross]

I can make a completed piece if I'm really workin hard in about 3hrs. Thats with full detail. But unless I have the time I finish up work on a timely basis.:evilbat: