DSG 1339: Fantasy Creature: DEMONIC VERSION OF PEGASUS

[William b. Hand]

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Fantasy Creature: DEMONIC VERSION OF PEGASUS
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[Vanvalen]

Photoshop CS ... about 20 mins.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5112/demonicpegasusuj3.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=demonicpegasusuj3.jpg)

[Lennybird]

IMAGE LINK (http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3853/horseconcept2es2.jpg)

Alright, well first off: hello guys =). I decided today to actively participate in the DSG, look forward to drawing with you all; some extremely talented individuals.

This is my first concept art posted on DSG, in fact - my first post of my own work ever. I'm fairly new to drawing as a whole, so I'm struggling with color blending and shading, e.t.c., everything =]. But I have a color blind eye disorder... Anyway, I want serious criticism, please.

I did a rough outline on what I wanted to do in my sketchbook, scanned it in - then did the 'meatier,' stuff with GIMP and my tablet. It didn't come out the way I wanted it to. I wanted it to have a more "powerful" feeling; with the angle facing up upon it and closer. I spent a little less than an hour on this. Come to think of it, it's actually the first colored concept art of my own, ever.

I had a difficult time figuring out how to draw a horse on its hind legs. I did a google image search to get some references, but found but one poor quality picture of one from a front view. I referenced it for the legs and general outline, and didn't really use it from there. My first horse picture, too lol.

[ZoneZero]

mine:
http://666kb.com/i/awrhv7sq7avggjno0.jpg
SAI and little editing in oC

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@Vanvalen: looks very good for this short time *_* - i like these red lines, which give an idea of the horses silhouette

@Lennyvbird
hi there :D
I think the legs are too short - it looks a little plump this way - the green doesnt really fit, but maybe it's just grey for you? His head looks demonic, thats a good thing.

[Lennybird]

Zone - Thanks for the feedback. Looking back at it after clearing my thoughts for a while, you're completely right. Haha, I can't believe it's green. Comparing mine to yours, and assuming that's brown on yours... I did a major screw up, haha. I need to literally memorize the difference. It's not to the point where I see black & white...

http://colorvisiontesting.com/online%20test.htm - if you take that test, it'll tell you what a normal person can see, and what I can't.

Oh well, it's still fun drawing, guess I'll only get better, right? Thanks, mate. Both your drawing and Vanvalen's are very nice in different aspects.

[PlasmaErnst]

hi
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc38/PlasmaErnst/pegamega.jpg

[Hamsta]

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7812/1339demonpegasusfg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ZoneZero]

Zone - Thanks for the feedback. Looking back at it after clearing my thoughts for a while, you're completely right. Haha, I can't believe it's green. Comparing mine to yours, and assuming that's brown on yours... I did a major screw up, haha. I need to literally memorize the difference. It's not to the point where I see black & white...

http://colorvisiontesting.com/online%20test.htm - if you take that test, it'll tell you what a normal person can see, and what I can't.

Oh well, it's still fun drawing, guess I'll only get better, right? Thanks, mate. Both your drawing and Vanvalen's are very nice in different aspects.

Well not everything was green, only some parts, so i thought it could even be a wanted effect. The colorcircle/palette or hue-display in your programm will help you definitely.
I know these tests and was always first surprised when my neighbor in school couldn't recognize the numbers or shapes in these diagrams ^^.


@PlasmaErnst
nice work, but i think feathers dont fit him very well

[PlasmaErnst]

William b hand: I apologize, forgot about the size :^^;:
ZoneZero:ja you are right, there should be flesh instead of feathers. I just ran out of time and left wings unfinished.
I like the colors you were using, atmospheric. the Pegasus looks like perfused with lava
i guess both of us could work on anatomy a little more :teeth:

[Anthis]

Some crits/thoughts, hope you don't mind.

Vanvalen; Eerie sight, nice atmosphere. Think you did well on the depth, and only 20mins. I don't think the fearsome head goes too well with those slender, harmless legs. They seem to take some of his "power" away, if you get what I mean. The bright red around the body makes for a nice focus.
Lennybird; Welcome! Don't worry, everyone has to start somewhere. Keep using reference, it really helps. You're not scared of trying a tough pose, and I'm seeing some interesting details in your concept. Lay down the larger, basic shapes and colors first, then work your way into the details. Keep it up! The daily sketch group is a great place to practice. And as for the color blindness - that makes two of us ;). Make sure you sample and compare a lot.
ZoneZero; Like it. Especially the fluent strokes on the wings, and the interesting colors. Looks as if he's turned his head a little, looking at the viewer. The neck and back could be better I think - they're a little stiff.
PlasmaErnst; Sweet, nice job on those appendages. Makes for a nice, twisted, demonic feel. No real crits here ;| As for the feathers; I think a fleshy version of feathers would fit your creature, not sure if thats what you went for. Good stuff as always.
Hamsta; Aggressive and dynamic. Nice job on the foreshortening too, those wings look great. Think you could easily push the rest of his body "back" a little using saturation and sharpness and whatnot. Would make your image even more striking. Though I'm sure you know. manes and tail could be more dynamic to match the pose.

Bit over 1.5 hr. Cut off the lower half because of unfinishness. :|

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb12/Anthis_/sketches/demonicpegasusdsg.jpg

[Brat]

Here's mine.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1837/dsg1339aq4.jpg

[Naastika]

PlasmaErnst: Awesome. I love all that cool crap coming off his chest.
Anthis: Cool, reminds me of something from Final Fantasy.
Vanvalen: Really nice for 20 min. :)

I guess I went more of the Rez Evil route. I was thinking of the regular Pegasus on his way to turning into a demon; hence, the horns starting to pop out of his head.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/Naastika/dsg1339_pegasus.jpg

[kheleksul]

Wow, guys. So much great work for this prompt!

Vanvalen - Love the mood; you did that in ... 20 minutes?!
Lennybird - Hah HA! You've posted! :D Green actually would make a design pretty interesting, if you used it in the right way. Seems like some more fun experimentation, right there!
PlasmaErnst - Man, you always do the best sketches for the prompts. The design is so interesting and cool that I really want to see you color it. *w*
Anthis - Loving the spines. And the huge "grin".
Naastika - Ooh, transformation! Pretty neat take on the prompt. I like how you can see the flesh around its muzzle. Nice!

I've got a horrible habit of NOT being able to put things down even after the "time limit" has passed. @__@ Maybe 2.5 hours:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/kheleksul/016DSG_Demonic_Pegusus_4.jpg

[Wacky Wackowski]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii113/wackywackowski/devilpegasus.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii113/wackywackowski/devilpegasus2.jpg

two idears i came up with... i like the second one a lot. not so crazy about the first one

[jouste]

hey all, hope im not to late to join the fun, here's about 20-25 mins on sketchbook pro. loving the submissions and looking forward to drawing more with you guys
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg219/1_jouste/dsg_1339_web.jpg

[bleupencil]

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l287/bleupencil/sketchdump/2008030900.jpg

[Space Princess]

yay my first post evar!
nothing says demonic like an upsidedown head... and then came the legs, hoofs are pretty weak, so hey why not scythes? And then more bug parts evolved from there..so this is how it ended up, not bad for a quickish draw then i suppose
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg119/sharimc/horse_demon.jpg

[tobbA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/tobba/demonpegasus.jpg

[tsujni]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/tsujni/dsg1339jpg.jpg

[Chate Noire]

PlasmaErnst, love what you did with the outer skeletal structure there. The skull is awesome. Would be cool to see how the wings fit into that.

Anthis, cool design, great colors, very demonic feel. It's a shame you cut the lower half, could've made for a much stronger piece.

kheleksul, I like the feel of your "sketch" - the fire, the movement, the sharp edges everywhere. It's got a great, dark atmosphere.

My go, about 1 hour between tasks at work.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/chatenoire/demonic_pegasus_small.jpg

[Kolpar]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/367/nbpl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Im sorry for the lame picture, but i dont think i'll have more time to work on it.

Chate Noire, I love the lightning in that picture.:asslick:

[xwxixrxexdxx]

I'm only 12 and this is my first pic I ever drew on Photoshop cs3 so just help me out and give me some advice, please.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/xxwxixrxexdxx/horse.jpg

[Oofnish]

Despite what one viewer said, I'm really not in a dark place!

http://www.oofnish.com/art/Iheartpegasus.jpg

[Wiggles]

Wacky: I really like your second one too! It reminds me of something that might of been on Digimon :^^: They had some pretty wicked looking monsters.

[Gentrifier]

http://www.community3d.com/stuff/demonicPegasus2.jpg

Left it at the value study stage.

Alec

[Antilight77]

In the 3rd ring of hell you will find them - those winged demons. once animals of pure light now cursed now for taking a human life. These winged daemons - Be DAMed them and their now blackened heart.

http://www.digitalmack.com/gallery_pages/digital_art/2008/demon_peg.jpg

Great work everyone. Lots of fun demonic things today.. Oh ya That reminds me - I am getting behind on my virgin sacrificing and the big red one is not that happy about it... well.. bet get to it.

Much love.
TM~

[Racasdorph]

didnt have time to finish it ... a worm for a tail! thats demonic lol

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v213/247/43/55707415/n55707415_34065680_7313.jpg

[Nightblue]

something quick (15 mins) and generic to satisfy my urge to draw a horse.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd214/lxc2000/sketch-30_pv.jpg

[fughi from yuggoth]

I'm only 12 and this is my first pic I ever drew on Photoshop cs3 so just help me out and give me some advice, please.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/xxwxixrxexdxx/horse.jpg

Learning by doing is how I do it :)

[Murmaider]

painter, aboutt an hour. 24 hour open lab rules.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/obijambi/horse4smoke.jpg

[Tommoy]

Vanvalen: very small, can u post it bigger?
Zonezero: nice colors the legs seem framed out?
Plasmaernst: just amazing, can only imagine what it would be like in color.
Hamsta: i think the forelegs need some adjustment. Maybe stretch both of them, the wing looks good.
Anthis: My favorite, looks really cool, only the nearest wing is placed odd and the tail could use some refinement.
Brat: demonic color, the anatomy specially of the legs need attention, i like the position of the front-wing, why not draw the other one in the same direction?
Naastica: the bare flesh looks convincing, maybe use some reference for the anatomy.
Kheleksul: i have the same habit, trying to limit it down though. Great composition and sphere in this drawing, are the wings already burned?
Wacky: the coloring and the specially the head of the first one look great, the design of the second one is much better indeed.
Jouste: dynamic and original, a bit to far away from the Pegasus prompt.
Bleupencil: lovely colors, good shape nice shadow of the wing. Head a bit to flat.
Space princess: refreshingly original, drawing the head upside down. Feather ears don't seem to compliment with the rest.
Tobba: nice sketch although it seems to me more like a goat/bat mixture.
Tsujni: the human element gives it something disturbing, good demonic sphere.
Chate noir: great drawing, impressive pose, design and anatomy.
Kolpar: there are 24 hours in a day my friend!
Xetc.: wish i could have played with PS when i was 12, stitches are a nice detail. Just keep on drawing.
Oofnish: real horror in this pic, good effort on the anatomy.
Gentrifier: sweet one, looks like baby Pegasus is playing with his granny,s teeth;)
Antilight: dynamic pose, needs some work on the anatomy department, i like the dim background.
Racasdorph: i see all kinds of animals but where is the Pegasus part.
Nightbleu: very nice, the front legs are anatomically incorrect but the overall pose is great, it has something of the old greek style.

Here's mine, by now most of you would probably want to burn it down on the anatomy department.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t19/Tommoy/DSG1339k.jpg

[Vanvalen]

"very small, can u post it bigger?"

Click on it... it's a thumbnail to save server load :)

VV

[Murmaider]

awsome job tommoy, the legs are great.

[Vanvalen]

Some fantastic visions here :)

I decided to slightly re do my design...still the same rough Idea just a bit more active...

This version took 35-40 mins during lunch.

Not a thumbnail this time..

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5223/pegasus02qp0.jpg

VV

[telamon]

Here's my submission! First time participating in this activity! =)
http://manifested.ath.cx/gal/798.jpg

[Murmaider]

nice one telamon, weird lighting choice but it works!

[GRETCHEN]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h79/WEISSERHAI/DSG1339.jpg

[Chuck,mate.]

and mine.
(long time no post)

about an hour.

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/3/10/f_demonicpegam_b20d72d.jpg

[jagehtso]

Damn, I was too late!

I hope it's okay, if I still post it.....

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t93/jagehtso/sketch1.jpg

Took me about 40 minutes. Tried to finish it within 30, so the wings look kinda sloppy.

[Takeda11]

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8523/beztytuudj8.jpg 30/40 min

[tobbA]

Tobba: nice sketch although it seems to me more like a goat/bat mixture.

Hmm. yeah. I think drawing horses are hard. Still.. since demons often are portrayed as goat-humans it's not that far fetched with a goat-horse, is it? :)

[IanStrandberg]

telamon: Whoa! Nightmare fuel buddy. Really creepy expression.

Chuck,mate: Wow.

Hamsta: Proportions seem pony-like. Was that your intent? I think its the bulk of the head (which is my favorite part).

Naastika: Nice muscle tissue rendering. Looks like you got into details before you finished laying out the rest of the form though.

kheleksul: Striking as always but it didn't read for my right away. I had to look at it for a while before I could distinguish the bodies of the creatures from the environment and the foreground.

Oofnish: Are you a fan of Gahan Wilson by any chance?

Wacky Wackowski: Ooo, very disntinctive. I prefer the second as well. However, once I figured out that (in the first) the wings were supposed to be coming out of the head it started growing on me. Could be really cool. Maybe a somewhat more delicate wing attachment in the back?

I made outlines first but didn't really end up taking much of a cue from them.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/donx_album/hell_pegasus_outlines01.gif

My entry. Thinking I should revert to black and white so that I can concentrate on form and value.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/donx_album/hell_pegasus_sketch01.jpg

[kurimja]

First time posting here, and first time drawing something like this...
It was so much fun. :D
PSP CS2 (lost track of time...)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/Kuri_Bansa/demonicpeg.jpg

Lots of details lost in scaling it down, but you get the general image;;;

[Hamsta]

IanStrandberg The head did receive more attention than the rest. Pony like proportion weren't intentional, but I see where that's coming from.

I'm not really getting an evil "vibe" from your anti-pegasus © ( :p ) There's something noble about the pose and the strong features, same goes for the colors. It's pretty good rendering wise, though.

Tommoy Nice and dynamic, some bold decisions, which work in favor of the theme, like the pose, and the chunky muscles, which remind me of rhinos.

The neck looks like some sort of semi-transparent round worm, and something about the Grey background bothers me, as do the flames, and the loss of focus because of the way you scribbled them.

Anthis Don't assume I know anything ;) good crits.

You have an Interesting design, the rear gets swallowed in the background. It could be done to help pull focus, but in this case it looks like a mistake. I also feel the wing in the foreground is pasted on.
Maybe aim for a more dynamic pose next time? :)

[IanStrandberg]

Thanks for the crits Hamsta--I want to do the "thanks you for this useful post" thing but I don't see an obvious link / button. I missed the noble vibe--good call.

Ian

[Ryoken]

http://www.ryoken.net/pictures/digital/painting/demonic_pegasus.jpg

I really couldn't concentrate tonight, so rather than scrap the whole DSG I went all scribbly emotional, lol.

[Tommoy]

Vanvalen: i saw your first one and must say i like the way its coming straight at ya, the second one looks to much like a dragon. I like the colors but you should find some reference for the horse part.
Telamon: great start, the head looks fine but the left foreleg needs attention. Also the green background somehow doesn't match.
Gretchen: also nice head and this time the legs seem ok but the chest doesn't. The wings don't work for me either.
Chuck mate: fortunately i saw the sketch before it exceeded the bandwidth, i believe there were some issues in the anatomy department but i'm no expert;)
Jagehtso: great to see some old fashion paperwork, nice refreshing view on the topic, i like the wing concept and the action but (if i'm getting boring just say so) the right leg looks ok but the others don't convince.
Takeda11: very nice, like the dynamic pose, the head and wings look cool but the doglike belly bothers me.
tobbA: your right about the relation goat/demon, but the topic calls for a horselike demon, and the fact horses are difficult to draw may never be an excuse to draw goats instead. Look for your borders and cross them.
IanStrandberg: interesting thumbs, don't see much of them back in your entry. Also i would like to see more than his neck and head alone.
Kurimja: my second favorite, amazing point of view and composition. The fact there is almost no belly doesn't bother here because its obviously skin on bones.
Ryoken: i don't see a horse in there but hope it helped;)

[Oofnish]

@Tommoy: Thanks :) Looking back at it again, I'm bothered by the right foreleg (its right), don't think its quite in the right place.
On yours, I really like the the motion, and your anatomy is mostly very believable... although the fore legs may seem slightly short

@Ian: I hadn't actually heard the name before, but I enjoy the genre certainly :)

I would have liked to see the second from the left in the top row sketched out, it looks like it has an interesting wolf-like pose that would be unusual for a horse.

[Anthis]

Naastika; Thanks. Never played ff I'm afraid. Nice to see you went for a more twisted, sad mood, rather than a 'demonic' feel. See if you can practice 'solidifying' your strokes, you seem to be drawing on a low opacity.
kheleksul; Yeah, the 'grin' of a horse skull has always intrigued me. I like how your piece is so well readable despite the action and many elements. Think the one fissure at the front breaks up the movement in your piece, and doesn't match the shape of those rocks. Great stuff, loving it.
Chate Noire; Alas ;[ Better next time. I feel spent too much time on needless details rather than overall shape either way. Liking your loose style and seemingly easy sketching. Some parts, like the front legs, look kind of stiff, as if a statue. Like the crazy tail and many toes/hooves.
Tommoy; Appreciate the crits. You're right on the wing and tail - they were thrown in 'last minute'. I usually slowly work my way trough separate parts, rather than on the whole piece. Should work on that. Like your loose, dynamic style as always. Think you did very well on the legs. Despite the tough foreshortening, they look convincing. Pushed in the back and following the movement. Think the neck is really long though, if you'd see it from the side. Good stuff! always nice seeing your dsg's around.
Hamsta; Meh. You've been around for a long time, and I don't want to sound like a know-it-all. You've got a valid point on the back of my creature, I hadn't realized that. Did want to push it back, but now its blending in too much. Wanted to experiment a little this time, but I gotta agree - side views are a bit lame. Next one will be more dynamic :)

[Naastika]

Anthis: I will give the old solid pen strokes a go, I guess I was going more for watercolor-esque type approach to drawing. I'm trying to get away from that blasted blend!
Tommoy: Yes, I need to stop being so lazy. Were it not for so many horse-central DSGs, I wouldn't be getting this much practice in drawing horses.
IanStrandberg: Jumping from different parts of the piece is a definite problem I have. I tend to get bored very quickly, and I need to stop doing that and take care of my creations.

[Auren]

Loved looking at all of these. Awesome sketches.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/AurenLumen/demonpegs.jpg

[erebusnight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/beetlegauss/concept02copy-1.jpg

45 minutes.

[Stinkfist]

i dunno why but jagehtso's freaks me out :{

[Maaiker]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g274/ebilbird/devil_horse.jpg

[IanStrandberg]

Kurimja: Cool design--love the features combined with membrane wings. You palette seems kinda muddy to me though--I'd love to have seen more drama in the colors.

Tommoy: Guilty as charged. Thanks for calling me on the thumbs and the cropping. I started with more visible but as I ran up against my self-imposed time limit I cropped it back. Must...fight...confort zone!

Oofnish: Search on the name if you haven't already. Really brilliant, dark cartoonist.

Naastika: Is your handle a reference to the MST3K episode "Jack Frost?" If not, what does it mean / where did it come from?

Also, I meant that it looked like you skipped past the structure stage of your drawing and went right for the details. Generally I think moving around and keeping things at the same level of development is a good thing--however, it seems like perhaps you didn't get the form and proportions all dialed in before moving on.

Cheers Ian,
Ian

[Naastika]

IanStrandberg: lol, omg, no. Love that show, though. Have you checked out Mike's Rifftrax? Anyway, I thought I was cool and made it up for my rogue in Diablo and it kind of stuck throughout the years. I found out sometime later that it is a real word used to describe a type of philosophical school or group of people which do not believe in the holiness/validity of Vedas, which are the oldest sacred texts of Hinduism. There are some big articles on Wiki and Google about my name and it's opposite: Aastika. lol, needless to say, I was kind of shocked to find out about this. There I was, thinking I had just made up some name for a dumb ol' game.

Laziness is something I'm battling with myself. As with this particular piece, I scribbled out a vague horse shape and went from there. I wasn't really happy with what I had anyway, and would rather draw in dripping flesh. So....there you go, DSG!

[kurimja]

IanStrandberg - Yeah, the colours turned out funny because my monitor settings are a liiiiittle bit off. I'm trying to fix it, but yeah... not having too much success >_>; I don't suppose you know any ways to get the colour settings right?

[IanStrandberg]

Make yourself a color chart in photoshop based on the RGB values of the colors. Then you can adjust your monitor until the colors appear accurate.

Ian

[e11ena]

hello everyb
my very first post here it took me like 1h to make it (photoshop ) and 1 day to post it - but don t be gentle






http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii246/e11ena/caldemoniccopy.jpg

[kurimja]

Cheers Ian ;)

[IanStrandberg]

e11ena: The way it reads for me I think you've got a cool body form started--I see overbuilt, almost exoskeletal bones. The neck and chest area remind me of the huge, elephantine creature from Aliens. However, you are suffering from some of the same problems I do--lack of character--or the wrong character. For an evil pegassus it looks kind of human (possible the shape of the mouth does the most to contribute to this) and the pose is very neutral. To me it reads as docile and almost friendly.

[e11ena]

yeap IanStrandberg actually it s kinda bored and ...boring -and nothing new :D -my big mistake
many thanx Ian

[-Borto-]

First DSG posted :D About and hour and a quarter on this.

Sorry that it's late. My hosting was giving me alot of problems.

http://bort-folio.com/renderUpload/evil%20pegasus.jpg

[Necrochorume]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2765/evilpegasusmediumbg9.jpg

[Jack Frost]

I know I am way late on this but I wanted to post what I had done, cause I kinda like it...cheers!

http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=332687&stc=1&d=1206488352

[Wixxi]

Hi all!

Very long time no posting. Here's mine. 2 hours

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6062/pegasusfw3.jpg

[JoeX]

I saw this thread yesterday and just felt like DOING it.

Here's what I started...about 2 hours worth of work.

going to continue working on it and complete it.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/explosivej/darkpegusas1.jpg

still working on it....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/explosivej/darkpegusascopy.jpg

[oblivion_dragon]

I could have made it much more "demonic" but people would think I have problems. I was drawing it in public. XP

It's a thumbnail.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/5/4/t_DSCF2389m_15551a1.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/4/f_DSCF2389m_15551a1.jpg&srv=img32)

[ExiledRed]

What might be a good idea, dragon, is staying within maybe the last three sketches.

Going through all the old ones gives you more opportunity to stay within the realms of what you feel you can do and allows you to forego the ones you find challenging, thus preventing your own development.

Sorry to the veterans, if Im overstepping myself here.