Andrew Jones Boss Monster Part 1 (of 2)

[MassiveDVD]

Hey guys... we've got another one. This one is a little different and includes some live footage from the event. Hope you enjoy it! :)

Concept artist "Android" Jones, famed for his contributions to games like the Metroid Prime series, unleashes his shape-shifting demons to create a boss monster character. In this Q and A style interactive demonstration, recorded live at the 2008 Revelations Workshop in Seattle, Android covers Zbrush and Painter X, workflow and philosophy. By bridging the gap between the technical and the creative, this lesson will show you how aggressive shapes and a simple color palette can open up infinite possibilities to the adventurous digital artist.

http://store.payloadz.com/go?id=107234

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7dgiX4zV0

And MAssive Props to Djunya for creating the music for this download http://www.myspace.com/djunya

[curt]

I'm Buying This.

Now.

Edit: I've bought about 5-6 videos so far, I was wondering if you guys could possibly do like a combo purchase deal where you buy both parts instantly for $20 (even if the 2nd part isn't out yet) but $14 if bought separately? I'm becoming broke with all these amazing videos :(

[hm333]

that shit looks great

[Rist]

I think Andrews work is amazing. But I do not think this dvd is suitable for me as he uses a software I do not have on my mac and rarely use on my PC.

I hope it works (usefulness) for those that download it!

[Takkik]

Always a pleasure to watch Andrew Jones workflow, give a lot of inspiration. Hope the second part will come shortly. Another great release!
Just one thing annoying, there is some sound 'problems', some times the sound cute for 1-2 seconds. I thing is the original sound record that have been cut for the purpose of this video (dont seems to loose something) but it's abrupt.

One thing that could be great for a next release, is to see Andrew make a sketch with is workflow and after that another one from MB bring it into a full 3D model (for still, animation, or why not game).

I hope you will continue to do release like that and so often all the year!

PS: Like Akaikami, I think you should release the bunble of part 1 - 2 with the lower price (20$ like other vids) even if the second part isnt out, and send the download like when it's done. Would be appreciated for people who bought vids just when they are released :yum:

[Lotet]

okay that looks so totaly bad ass, im so going to get this one!

[kraal]

when will part 2 be released?????

[Sneaker]

One thing that could be great for a next release, is to see Andrew make a sketch with is workflow and after that another one from MB bring it into a full 3D model (for still, animation, or why not game).


yes, please.
a series showing a full pipeline would be much appreciated.

-Michael

[snootchy]

Boss monster part I just got a big F'in hell yeeaaahhHH!!

[janni]

Guys, they are selling these vids with minimum profits for bloody 14 bucks. aren't you kinda ashamed to still ask for an discount? do you know that it actually costs money to produce them and profits flow back into ca.org? seriously, i don't get it.. why aren't you just fu... happy?

thanks for publishing this to massive black and special thanks to android for sharing his approach and being a great teacher!

[Mark Bot]

oh hell yes.
at this rate i'll need to buy a bigger harddrive within months.
HA! Keep it up MassiveBlack. this is rock solid stuff

[K-bot]

yes, please.
a series showing a full pipeline would be much appreciated.

-Michael

Cosign,

A series of videos that are made by multiple people at MB, like a thumbnails brainstorming research movie, a concept mood sketch movie, a modeling one by a different person, a texturing one, etc. All of which are for the same imaginary project. So we see how it goes through the whole pipeline, touched by different people at MB.

Also:

Is there going to be a part 1 and 2 for $20 like Coros? I really appreciated that.

And Janni, in the two years I have been part of this community I have been to both workshops, and bought 2 DVD's and EVERY download so far. Not to mention shirt calendars and more. I certainly appreciate what Jason and MB do for us, but I have supported Almost $1500 worth of the community and still will continue too. As a starving artist, I don't think it is greedy to ask for them to sell both parts of the same lecture at a discount to loyal customers.

[kraal]

i just would like both parts released at the same time..... not concerned about cost

[S!R]

I was sitting front row center for this presentation at the workshop, and I can say this:

BUY THIS NOW!

Really, In all seriousness this demo stands out among the top 3 highlights of the entire workshop for me personally.
I have a few pages of written notes from this and will be buying the video download shortly based on how utterly kick ass it was in person.

Thanks again MB.

[gruve24]

Love this image !! price is really good too ! gonna be on the DL.

[Takkik]

Guys, they are selling these vids with minimum profits for bloody 14 bucks. aren't you kinda ashamed to still ask for an discount? do you know that it actually costs money to produce them and profits flow back into ca.org? seriously, i don't get it.. why aren't you just fu... happy?


Why ashamed? When the two parts are aviable they sell the two at 20$, so why not make this promo aviable at the begining with the second part 'prepurchased' and aviable at download at the begining? It's a good commercial act for people who bought vids when they are released.

I was thinking about something : all the 3d geometry construction can be done in any 3d package, then rendered and bring into zbrush for deco brush and painter for refining. that must be slower than zbrush but you have the advantage to change the camera angle, make multiple shots and adjust the geometry like you want (on zbrush after it's put on the canvas you can't edit it). SOmething to try...

[Lotet]

"loove the glow tool, its like dodge and burn...but with dignety!"
just wow, how can you not love these DvDs, theyr priceless! there not just a learning process but its alot of fun too

best one so far MB and Andrew!

[janni]

Why ashamed? When the two parts are aviable they sell the two at 20$, so why not make this promo aviable at the begining with the second part 'prepurchased' and aviable at download at the begining?

The only one that was released for 20$ was Coro's Gun Demo. I realy doubt they'd offer an discount after everybody already bought the first one for 14. Even Apple didn't get through whith that without a bruise. ;)

I didn't intended to break loose an argument about that discount question. But are your guys realy sure you can't save those 8 bucks anywhere else? Other people take 40 to 100 for their vids. Look at what schools take for that information. They raised the prize to 14 cause of higher production costs. I realy don't want them to make a loss or have ads on this site instead or stuff.

Seriously, no offence, i know what it's like to be an starving artist. But think about it. Those 14 bucks are a friggin steal. :) :)

[Takkik]

I just bought Coro demo as bundle, and thought it was same for others, my mistake. It wasn't a question of high price, just that if after second part is released they make a bundle at 20$, it's a bit unfair for people who bought the first part before. I dont want polemic around this, and you know, even if it's just 10$ saved, that always help when you don't have a high situation.

14$ is fine, I never complained it was too high. Waiting second part an other releases with impatient!

[K-bot]

Now I'm famous! I'm wearing the white and red DC jersey.

Thankyou Andrew Jones!

BTW - What music was used on this one, especially the outro?

[ManaBurn]

Another sic video, thanks again Massive Black & Andrew Jones.

[Android]

Thank you everyone for your positive response and your support, with each download we are learning more and more about how to refine our process so the feedback is really valuable,

i want to cover a few broad questions, part one and part two will be separate downloads, once you see part too i promise you will understand why.
part one was released first because we finished it first, once part too gets the final polish i will make that available,
in this case i can assure you that both parts take very different approaches to the creative process, they were recorded on different days in front of different audience and address different creative situations.


Akaikami, your support is appreciated , there will be no combo on this download and you will see why soon.

hm333, thank you , i think in the second download i explain the advantage of not referring to our art as shit,

Rist- i see your point, .I think it depends on where you are on your creative path, Do you wish to Expand your possibilities?, or refine your craft?. For the beginners i encourage the expansion and experimentation. because i know it worked for me.

Takkik Thank you , showing a pipeline would be a great idea, thank you for your suggestion, I plan on releasing many more downloads and any feedback or suggestions will steer my future direction.

Lotet , i appreciate your satisfaction,, if you like good one liners be sure to check out part two, i had lost my voice from part one and my mood is in rare form.

janni -your welcome, we are all learning together , we at MB are confident that the energy we ask for this information we provide is in integrity . but thank yo for your defense;)

GusTheRobot- I hope you will also need a bigger hard rive for all the art these downloads will inspire;)


buhlerks- your support it is recognized and we are grate full for it, you wont be disappointed , it never hurts to ask, and we take all of your requests seriously ,

kraal , that is a fair request, this is a highly competitive Field on multiple levels and its our intention to get the information out to you ass soon as possible.

S!R- wow a repeat offender, that's great, that makes me very happy, thank for showing up and being part of it all in person.

gruve24 , thank you . the money we ask for is an arbitrary number , the real value is up to you and what you get out of it

Takkik, I see your point ,well after heavy consideration i have made a decision, their will be no bundle for this series, . but i want to honor the 20 dollar request, so after part two is released part one will be available for 20$, sound good ;) so the sooner you buy the sooner you save, we like to reward loyalty

Takkik it is the entertainment industry after all

janni- thanks again , because we are starting out with our prices so low they will most likely increase over time, as quality increases so will production costs,

Takkik-- your concern is valid, part two is on the way !!

buhlerks the music on this one was supplied my my friend

Djunya http://www.myspace.com/djunya

hes a serious dub step solider out of san francisco,
the character had a dark heavy dub step vibe so i felt it was appropriate
mad props to Djunya for his support

ManaBurn- your welcome, stay tuned for more to come .

[Takkik]

but i want to honor the 20 dollar request, so after part two is released part one will be available for 20$, sound good so the sooner you buy the sooner you save, we like to reward loyalty
Hehe and after 1 year, the vid cost 200$ ? :bashful: :asspat:

both parts take very different approaches to the creative process
Raaah, when it's come out? when it's come out? when it's come out? :bounce:

Do you model your own geometry for composition, or only use prefabe (or slave human modelers like for the heart)? Something like in the first movie about zbrush-painter shape theory. I mean creating random shapes, and them bring them into 3D for use them in new compositions. If not that could be an interesting workflow to follow:
Random shapes (ZbrushPainter) > 3D Shapes (3d package - Zbrush) > New compisition (Zbrush - Painter) > 3D final model / Illustration

[kraal]

ok just one more thing... seeing from what you are saying about part2 and we will see why it is seperate ect.... i think the best option is to not call it part 1 and 2....

[phoric]

Awesome work Andrew, wish I was there. I posted about it on Sketchfeed.

[Pseudocognition]

To be honest...I'm more interested in where Andrew got his clothes. Lookin stylish, man!

[Lotet]

To be honest...I'm more interested in where Andrew got his clothes. Lookin stylish, man!


haha, you can find that stuff here and there, you just have to mix alot of it, alot of it is ease to find and inst that exotic att all, untill u mix it together, and somtimes u just have to make ur own...and dont ask me how i know that, ok really, im not a stalker or somerthing...really, i just hapend to wear the same type of clothes.


but yeah, hes clothes are bad ass annyway, get part 2 out there andrew...pleeeeeeaase

[Bora]

Just watched it and I think its amazing. You're a true entertainer Andrew, its great to learn and laugh at the same time.

I remember hearing something about when humans laugh, they put their conscious guard down and take whatever that's being given to them as it is, with no prejudice or pre thought. Whether it's information or advice. So its great to have people like you share your knowledge the way you do it.

[cesmls]

Some of his "clothes" Andrew has stated are custom-made - for example, his wacom strap.

Also, Frisco is a great place for finding any kind of clothing you're looking for! it's all there.

Remember, too, that he is constantly travelling world-wide, so he can find items not available anywhere here in the U.S.

[gruve24]

Just downloaded !!! REALLY cool video I was worried about the quality of sound and the delivery being in a room full of people watching you work. But it was pieced together excellently !!!! I'm gonna get the 2nd part no doubt when its released !!

Just one question, Since you (Android) are so familiar with Painter and how to use it would you ever consider making a tutorial DVD on how you personally use painter and how you navigate through it ??

[Android]

takkik- i exploit modeler slave labor, i like your shape ideas , there are many ways to skin a cat, and lots of shapes to skin it into

Kraal- good point, i see how much weight that name carries

phoric thanks for posting this i really appreciate that.

Pseudocognition's , your funny, i get most of my clothes from thrift stores or discount outlets, the other stuff my friends make , you can check out their stuff here hoilster bag (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=54455648) ayya gear (http://www.ayyawear.com/)

lotet- part too i will be out as soon as its ready, thanks for your patience

Bora- thank you , that's a great point about laughter, if you like learning with laughter you need to get Coros dvds, he is one of the funniest guys i know.
i try making more jokes in part two.

cesmis, im trying to whittle my wardrobe down to 4 outfits to make my life easier , its less to think about,

gruve24 - that's a great suggestion, part two goes deeper into the power of painter, eventually i will make one that focuses more on it.


agian thank you for all of the constructive support, --- what are some other topics that you would like to see me cover in future downloads?

[Pawkfox]

I really only have one complaint on all of massive blacks DVDs and that is the sound quality. I have my pc speakers at max and turn the volume up to max in both application and windows. And THEN I can just hear what they're saying.
There's a whole lot of noise and other stuff interfering with the sound and that gets quite annoying.

[K-bot]

Pawfox, try opening open you volume mixer and adjusting the sound of the wave channel as well. You shouldn't be having this problem, it works great on all of my computers, using headphone or speakers.

I do agree that there is some choppy editing at some points, but it's nothing to serious, they still get the info across.

[Pawkfox]

Pawfox, try opening open you volume mixer and adjusting the sound of the wave channel as well. You shouldn't be having this problem, it works great on all of my computers, using headphone or speakers.

I do agree that there is some choppy editing at some points, but it's nothing to serious, they still get the info across.

I have the same issue on all the computers I've watched these vids on.

If I have some messenger service on in the background and I get a message I almost turn deaf :S

My volume mixer is set as it should be on all of them.

[Studio Colrouphobia]

Great vid, downloaded and watched it yesterday.
I have a question and a suggestion.

Q: If I got this mad boss that gave us zbrush to play with at work "just for the fun of it" but I don't know how to model airplane-wheels proper (!), is there anywhere one could find cool obj. files to play around with in zbrush? Like a resource website? I loked and cant seem to find anything zbrush-wise appart from the pixologic space, and thats quite limited.

S: Future videos- More Painter secrits! Seriously, I am a painter no-know. So when I see interesting stuff happend in your videos I usually go !HUH!.
(the main downside I find with painter is that it isn't as intuitive to find things as with photoshop)
This time around you gave away some stuff like the way you can make workspace and growth, but a bit more for us unsavvy would be nice.

It's an interesting program, but I fear I woul like to know more. Saw this video out by corel on how to work with painterx, which was fine, but it went over very few things that goes beyond basic knowledge of "here is this brush, here is that paper".


Besides, I think Im not alone in learning better when seeing something made for completely different purpose then showing these things, and getting explained how they work and where to find them.

Such as the previous release, where you had a portrait being captured.


(Off the top of my head, the thing that irks me right now is how you make all them different boxes with gradients pop up all over the screen, seen in virtually any painting vid you made so far. Probably very easy...))

[kraal]

Great vid, downloaded and watched it
S: Future videos- More Painter secrits! Seriously, I am a painter no-know. So when I see interesting stuff happend in your videos I usually go !HUH!.
(the main downside I find with painter is that it isn't as intuitive to find things as with photoshop)
This time around you gave away some stuff like the way you can make workspace and growth, but a bit more for us unsavvy would be nice.

It's an interesting program, but I fear I woul like to know more. Saw this video out by corel on how to work with painterx, which was fine, but it went over very few things that goes beyond basic knowledge of "here is this brush, here is that paper".


Besides, I think Im not alone in learning better when seeing something made for completely different purpose then showing these things, and getting explained how they work and where to find them.

Such as the previous release, where you had a portrait being captured.


(Off the top of my head, the thing that irks me right now is how you make all them different boxes with gradients pop up all over the screen, seen in virtually any painting vid you made so far. Probably very easy...))

there is resource material out there to learn painter. Painter has plenty of forums available. Jeremy Sutton makes a dvd. He also write books. There is the painter wow book. Ryan church has a dvd out that teaches painter. If you go to any painter forum the lady named Jin will answer any question. the only reason i am pointing this out is because i think the massive black downloads will suffer if too much is spent on technical/basic issues.

as for those squares filled with a gradient --- try the 'gradient tool' to start :)

[cesmls]

QUOTE: "cesmis, im trying to whittle my wardrobe down to 4 outfits to make my life easier , its less to think about,"

Sounds good. But I may have bad news for you.

Let's assume that by 4 outfits you mean 4 shirts, 4 pants, & 4 vests, and that each of the shirts are different, each of the pants are different, and each of the vests are different. From those 12 items of clothing, & assuming that you wear one of each to be an 'outfit', you actually have 64 outfits! I could even email you a list of them.

And, then of course, there's also hats, scarves, gloves, wrist guards, shoes, and other assorted items.

Christine

[Kehai]

eion - dopest jeans evar!!1!

[sinewavezero]

awesome tutorial. thanks for the inspiration. looking forward to part 2

[Atastrophea]

Android thank you for the Skin Graft link! I've been looking for them since I saw Amanda's (Dresden Dolls) skirt and now I find I've got another skin graft image in my reference folder and didn't even know was theirs ;) not that I could ever afford one, but the designs are lovely to look at. :)

[cesmls]

I had trouble downloading it but hubby finally got it downloaded on our Linux system. I sent some comments to Aaron, but thought I'd post here too.

The video is wonderful! A lot of the concepts - especially colour & shapes - are very relevant to my quilting - so are your ideas on abstraction. Design principles are design principles - & they hold true no matter what form one's creativity takes.

Just a couple of suggestions Andrew on presentation. When you talk, keep your hands away from your face & mouth. Also, when you are excited you talk really fast & tend to slur your words - I know this problem well, as I do the same thing. Face the camera more while talking - the face is so expressive, & yours is hard to see when the camera is focussed on the side of your face & not the front.

A wonderful video! And definitely worth $14 - I'd even pay more. I eagerly await "Part 2," or whatever you decide to name it.

[-leo]

Great as usual Andrew. Posted a short overview here (http://blog.leoartz.com/2008/03/10/mb_boss_monster/).

[kraal]

ok so i finally got tired of waiting for part 2 and consulted with the accounting dept ( my fiancee ) and downloaded this one. I am again impressed... a little slow moving which is gool cause we dont have to watch the super fast cursors of some vids. I have to say andrew you are not the king of the recycling bin. I have just cracked open a bunch of my old 3dworld mag dvd's to find free models to use in zbrush.

[Rist]

Hi Andrew and Thanks for the reply. I have decided I should buy this one as I think on a personal level I am between experimenting and refining and still not sure where my style is going.

The further these DVD's will go in development, and the more info they release, the premium will certainly get higher. The bundles are made for a reason, so is the price, I am sure massive black have a business sense more than most posting right now; they are top in there field after all.

[theelusiveyoda]

all i can say is wow,
i downloaded the tutorial and watched it like 4 times in a row and i'm still learning from it, hope part two comes soon as i cant wait to see how you get to the final piece, also android do you do any really quick sketches if you have a pretty good idea of what it is you want or do you just skip it and go with the flow?

[kraal]

come on how much longer till part 2

[ManaBurn]

Hey Android what are you using to manipulate sound in conjunction with Alchemy? I have a feeling we got a glance at it during the begining introduction of this video. Is it like a Korg chaos pad? Would be cool to know.

[Aldarion]

agian thank you for all of the constructive support, --- what are some other topics that you would like to see me cover in future downloads?

Perhaps something that's actually creatable ? I don't suppose the 3d people (like me)
would be all that happy if they got a mix of awesome looking abstract shapes to transform into a usable model :mittenbop:

Or a "Portraits 1001" ...I remember my drawing class teacher almost got a heartattack
when I told him you painted 1000 self portraits.

Btw, KEEP ON ROCKING MAN ! Been a member here for a couple of years, and I've never posted anything,
but I sure am a HUGE admirer of the work you and your friends from the massive black (cock) create.

[Jacob Kobryn]

I'd like to sign the petition for the SP demo as well! :D

[curt]

Signed and awaiting approval :P

[ManaBurn]

Perhaps something that's actually creatable ? I don't suppose the 3d people (like me)
would be all that happy if they got a mix of awesome looking abstract shapes to transform into a usable model :mittenbop:

Or a "Portraits 1001" ...I remember my drawing class teacher almost got a heartattack
when I told him you painted 1000 self portraits.

Btw, KEEP ON ROCKING MAN ! Been a member here for a couple of years, and I've never posted anything,
but I sure am a HUGE admirer of the work you and your friends from the massive black (cock) create.

During the begining of the video Android uses 3D shapes already modeled by his crew and uses them in conjunction with Z-Brush to form the base model of the creature. I imagine a well designed survival horror creature would be no more or less hard to model then what ends up in his final.

As for the portraiture, If you download the Android Fine Art VOL.1, the final part of the video is him rendering a friend who was sitting for him. It's my favorite part of the whole video.

Don't forget that a huge part of understanding his work seems to be training your eye to see the value of what is almost instinctualy visually appealing. Stealing the ability we have to see animals lying in wait or spiders in our peripherary, that part of the mind that keeps us safe put to new use. Hacking the brain.

Most importanly just remember to, "Bevel, bevel, bevel!".

[INNOC3NC3]

this is awesome, but i'm needing part two so as fast as you like Mr ANDROID sir your honour :)

[Karl D.D.]

Hey Android what are you using to manipulate sound in conjunction with Alchemy? I have a feeling we got a glance at it during the begining introduction of this video. Is it like a Korg chaos pad? Would be cool to know.

ManaBurn, good guess! He was using a Kaossilator taped to the guitar strap rock star Wacom :rocker: Left hand making sound and right hand making shapes.
For those who haven't seen it, the clip of Android making shapes with Alchemy is here: http://al.chemy.org/

[Lotet]

ManaBurn, good guess! He was using a Kaossilator taped to the guitar strap rock star Wacom :rocker: Left hand making sound and right hand making shapes.
For those who haven't seen it, the clip of Android making shapes with Alchemy is here: http://al.chemy.org/

dude that was awezome, thanks for sharing, that tequnice was new for me.

[ManaBurn]

Thanks Karl D.D. actualy I just found out at guitar center what it was. That's a bad ass program by the way. To anyone who is intrested in a new way to create some interesting random shapes to work with Alchemy is pretty sic.

[Karl D.D.]

Android does his thing and it is amazing to watch. A real performance to it...

As for Alchemy, cheers for the kind words! We are actually calling for artwork at the moment, for an exhibition we have coming up in Shanghai. So if you make anything cool, check out this thread for info on submitting: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1717977

[ManaBurn]

Android seems to come across as truly enjoying what he's doing. It definitely shows in his recordings.

[bow]

Hi Android,

Great video -- thanks for sharing!
Had one question though... is there a quick way to create all the patterns that you use, or do you just have to bite the bullet and create them all manually.
You kind of speak about this *too* briefly on the video....

[kraal]

Hi Android,

Great video -- thanks for sharing!
Had one question though... is there a quick way to create all the patterns that you use, or do you just have to bite the bullet and create them all manually.
You kind of speak about this *too* briefly on the video....

clip art CLIP ART CLIP ART

[bow]

I'm sorry, I don't think I posed my question well.
What I meant was that if I have a thousand clip art images and I want to make patterns in Painter from them, then is there a better way then to;
* open each image,
* make a rectangular selection,
* choose capture pattern,
* name it

Is there a quicker/easier way?

[ManaBurn]

I'm sorry, I don't think I posed my question well.
What I meant was that if I have a thousand clip art images and I want to make patterns in Painter from them, then is there a better way then to;
* open each image,
* make a rectangular selection,
* choose capture pattern,
* name it

Is there a quicker/easier way?

Nope.

[kraal]

yes there is an easier way .... ANDROID COULD YOU PLEASE SELL US YOUR PATTERNS.... did that work?

[Studio Colrouphobia]

yes there is an easier way .... ANDROID COULD YOU PLEASE SELL US YOUR PATTERNS.... did that work?

I'd second that.. Sell them... put like ten-fifteen in a file and sell them for 14 bucks... thats fair no? one buck a pattern...

[ManaBurn]

I'd second that.. Sell them... put like ten-fifteen in a file and sell them for 14 bucks... thats fair no? one buck a pattern...

lol, at for a buck a pattern I'll sell you all the libraries you want.

[Zombie Acorn]

This video was excellent to say the least, not only was it informative but it was funny and definitely entertaining. I especially like the parts where Andrew is trying to find just the right shape, haha. Great Stuff, I've never seen zbrush used in such ways.