Anatomy and Character Creation also Dance Lessons

[Neondevil]

Ahoy hoy.

In this thread I'm going to be mentoring Sigit in anatomy and character creation.

We'll start with introductions first then we'll move on to the lesson.


Assignment 0
- What's your name?
- Preferred drawing tools?
- What is your ultimate goal with your art?
- Who are your favorite artists?
- Let's see a few of your best/favorite works


Assignment 1: A Self Portrait
This will be due for Wensday the 20th. I would like it done with either pencil or pen on any size paper that you want. There is no time limit for this one and I want you to take your time rendering everything out. Your only stipulation is it must be your entire body. If you finish earlier I'll critique earlier.

After this I would like to move to weekly assignments starting every Wensday and critiqued as they are completed.

[Sigit]

Hi, my name is Sigit. I'm 25. I usually draw using pencil. Now I still learning digital painting. My goal is to make drawing more than just a hobby .
Some of my favorite artist are Jason Chan and Luis Royo (love their work and how they create drawing a life).
I'll post the assignment as soon as possible

Thanks

[Neondevil]

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs28/i/2008/051/2/3/dfafasf_by_neondevil.jpg


Assignment 2:Victorians are Wacky

These are due for next Wensday the 27th at 10pm est. I would prefer it if you gave them in as a steady stream from now till then.

Part 1:
http://www.posemaniacs.com/blog/pose/

You will pick 8 poses in total (4 male and 4 female), they will be drawn one per sheet of paper in charcoal if available if not pencil works. I'd like you to start off shading in large blocks then move in to do the fine details. Do not go over the time limit.

First Drawing - 1 minute
Second Drawing - 3 minutes
Third Drawing - 10 minutes
Fourth Drawing - 20 minutes
Repeat in the same order for the next set.

Part 2:

Each week I'm going to give you a description of a new character and I want to see all the steps in the picture above carried out.

15 thumbnails

1 draft

1 final sketch

Description: Huxtable Phinneaus, private in the king's royal army is gravely wounded in battle. He is brought back from the brink of death with the wonders of newly discovered steam technology making him a nigh unstoppable baron of death.

Make sure you research the character in the thumbnail stage. Look at army uniforms, steam powered trinkets, industrial machinery just to name a few. You need to get yourself into the habit of searching for acceptable reference.

[Sigit]

My post for my work and assignment 1. Sorry about the anatomy, I'm bad drawing clothes

[Neondevil]

Some notes on your drawing.

- Your hips are never wider than your shoulders if you're looking at it from a front view.

- No hands in pockets!!! Hands are one of the most expressive parts of the body they need to be gesticulating like an Italian guy.

- Measure, measure, measure. Look at yourself in the mirror, your elbows should fall till about where your hip bones are and your forearm + clenched fist is about the length of your thigh. If you're in doubt look in the mirror and analyze.

- Make sure you have a basic sketch of the anatomy first before you layer the clothes on it. This will help a lot.



Ok good first attempt I'm looking forward to your other stuff!

[Sigit]

thanks for the advice

I want to ask about :
- shading in large blocks then move in to do the fine details
Do you mean drawing the shadow first then then outline and detail??

-steam powered trinkets, industrial machinery
Can you give me some example?? I'm a little bit confused

[Neondevil]

thanks for the advice

I want to ask about :
- shading in large blocks then move in to do the fine details
Do you mean drawing the shadow first then then outline and detail??

-steam powered trinkets, industrial machinery
Can you give me some example?? I'm a little bit confused


Always draw the figure first and never outline the shadows.


Here's an old figure study I did for the shading I simply put the charcoal on it's side and dragged it.

http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2005/311/1/5/Deep_thought__with_a_penis_by_neondevil.jpg


Also your character is part machine so google those things that I said and then see if you can apply them onto the guy. It's all about research.

[Sigit]

My work for assignment 2.

[Neondevil]

Ok some tips on composition:

- The character should never been dead center and floating on the page.

- There should be something going off at least 3 sides of the paper.


Always try and remember these, good work on the figure studies thus far.


I also made a few corrections

[Sigit]

Thanks for the advice. I'll try to improve it

[Neondevil]

Assignment 3: Hands! Hands! Hands!

These are due for next Wensday the 5th at 10pm est. I want you to keep the images large it helps me to check stuff out.

Part 1:

From now on we're going to bounce around the human body a bit and do lots of studies.

For this you have as much time as you need but your only restriction is you cannot shade. You are only using lines. Pay careful attention to your line quality a few tips:

- A thicker line means something is coming forward while a thinner one means it's going backwards.

- Say Line A goes over Line B. Line A should be thicker at the points where it goes over Line B.

Now I want you do draw all of the hands in the picture for this week. Don't look at them as hands but as a series of shapes like in the top left corner of the Loomis image.

Part 2:

Each week I'm going to give you a description of a new character and I want to see all the steps in the picture above carried out.

15 thumbnails

1 draft

1 final sketch

Description: Tizamek, this ancient Mayan god's avatar is in the form of an old haggard woman, once every fall harvest the woman flays her skin with the help of a ceremonial daggar.

This needs to be an action shot.


Remember big images this time!

[Sigit]

I want to ask a few question
Pay careful attention to your line quality a few tips:

- A thicker line means something is coming forward while a thinner one means it's going backwards.

- Say Line A goes over Line B. Line A should be thicker at the points where it goes over Line B.

Do you mean that no eraser allowed??

Don't look at them as hands but as a series of shapes like in the top left corner of the Loomis image.

Do you mean drawing them like cylinder and cube?? Can you give me example??

once every fall harvest the woman flays her skin with the help of a ceremonial daggar.

Do you mean that the old woman flay the woman skin??

[Amir the night wolf]

Very good keep it up guy`s :) just loosen up the hand and see more than you draw!! Neondevil (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/member.php?u=62013) good job :)

[Neondevil]

I want to ask a few question
Pay careful attention to your line quality a few tips:

- A thicker line means something is coming forward while a thinner one means it's going backwards.

- Say Line A goes over Line B. Line A should be thicker at the points where it goes over Line B.

Do you mean that no eraser allowed??

Don't look at them as hands but as a series of shapes like in the top left corner of the Loomis image.

Do you mean drawing them like cylinder and cube?? Can you give me example??

once every fall harvest the woman flays her skin with the help of a ceremonial daggar.

Do you mean that the old woman flay the woman skin??


Eraser is allowed I'm talking in terms of the thickness of the line. You never want it to be entirely uniform.


The old woman cuts off her own skin with the knife.


I made you a diagram of how I normally draw hands remember you always build up to the detail you first want to get the basic shape of what you're drawing:

[Sigit]

My work for assignment 3. Having some troubles in finding some ref, and drawing nails. Here are the result.

[k_lewis]

Hi my name is Keith. I'm 18 years old. I have always just used pencils but I'm looking to try some different mediums after I get abit better at basic sketching. One of my favrouite artists is Alan Lee who does alot of great lord of the rings concepts. In the future I hope to take an artistic career (Not sure exactly which field yet)

Here is my Assignment #1:

I had abit of trouble with my right arm I still don't think it looks quite right. And the portrait... LoL it looks a little bit like me I guess. Looking at it now I think the mouth looks abit off-centre and I think I should have tilted the nose abit more to the right. And I think I made the eyes abit big.

To Sigit: REALLY nice hand sketches good job!

[Neondevil]

Critiques and next assignments are going to be late I've got a helluva stomach virus.

[k_lewis]

That's no good, hope you get better soon. At least this gives me abit of time to catch up :)

[Sigit]

k_lewis Hi welcome to the class. thanks
Neondevil Hope you get well soon.

[Neondevil]

Ok I'm alive and it turns out it was food poisoning. Anyway onto the critiques we'll start with Keith:

- Don't be afraid to go off the page, it almost looks like your dude is stunted.

- Plot out everything first with a basic framework skeleton before you start like the one I drew for you.

- No more shading from here on out we're going to work on your lines.


Sigit:

- You make these great thumbnails but then you do something totally different for the main piece. Stop that. The point of the thumbnail is to plot out what you're going to do for the main drawing.

- Hands are good, keep it up.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 4: Faces and more faces

Part 1 is due Wensday the 12th at 10pm est and Part 2 is due Saturday. I want you to keep the images large it helps me to check stuff out.

Now since we got more people I want you guys to talk to each other and help each other out. Swap aim names or emails.

Part 1:

First read this: http://www.tokyopop.com/Manga_Sensei/gopro/286671.html

More people studies this time we're going to work on different facial expressions. I want you to pay attention to what moves when somebody is happy as opposed to when they're angry or when they're sad.

Draw all of the faces in that picture, no shading only lines. Really focus on getting a nice steady line and applying what you learned in that tutorial.

Faces are here: http://neondevil.deviantart.com/art/rsarsarasr-79469938

Part 2:

15 thumbnails

1 draft

1 final sketch


We're gonna do something new this time. I'm going to give you 3 categories with 3 adjectives each. Pick one adjective from each category and make a character out of them

Skinny
Voluptuous
Husky

Tired
Joyful
Annoyed

Dirty
Beaten
Immaculate


Now something new. When you guys post your work I want you to critique each other and I want you to say 2 good things and then 2 bad things about each main piece. Remember be constructive, we can't help each other with just praise!

[Sigit]

Can you explain more about Dirty(because of doing something or naughty and wild) and Immaculate ??

[Neondevil]

Can you explain more about Dirty(because of doing something or naughty and wild) and Immaculate ??

Interpret them however you want. Immaculate can mean clean or it could mean holy. I should be able to tell at the end of the drawing what you've used.

[Sigit]

My work for the face assignment. Neondevil can you teach me how to draw hand like in the assigment 3 (row 2, line 4) maybe some tips or example. Thanks

[Neondevil]

Just start by making shapes and then looking at negative space. Look at the space in between the thumb and the index finger, also notice that the thumb and the index finger line up so it helps to draw a line to get your bearings.


Your best bet isn't to look at it like "This is a hand, I need to draw it so it looks exactly like a hand" because your brain will rebel against your eyes. Look at it like a bunch of lines or a bunch of shapes. Draw what you see, not what you think you see.

[Neondevil]

I did a head tutorial for you guys too.


Sigit some more stuff:

- Draw the top and the bottom lip otherwise you have a featureless hole in the guy's face.

- You draw some kick ass ears, I want to see you take what you're doing there and expand it onto the rest of the drawing. You wind up with these awesomely rendered ears but this porcelain face.

- Don't be afraid to make people ugly.


Good work so far, I think we're gonna work on some facial features for a bit.

[Sigit]

Thanks Neondevil. I mean the hand drawing in the last line , number 2 from left.
In drawing face I have a problem in proportion. Especially when the face in profile( side) ,if the the eyes closed , and if like in the picture ( line 2 row 4 and line 4 row 2). And other problem in drawing anything is that I'm not good at detailing. I think thats why my drawing always bad. Any tips??

[Neondevil]

Thanks Neondevil. I mean the hand drawing in the last line , number 2 from left.
In drawing face I have a problem in proportion. Especially when the face in profile( side) ,if the the eyes closed , and if like in the picture ( line 2 row 4 and line 4 row 2). And other problem in drawing anything is that I'm not good at detailing. I think thats why my drawing always bad. Any tips??

Detail comes from practice. We'll get in-depth on the face for the lesson after this.

[blackplasma]

Hi guys, Neondevil agreed to mentor me. I am currently doing the latest assignment part 1 (the one with the faces). I am currently having difficulty with some faces, as it is one of my few attempts at realistic drawing. Do I have to pencil in the folds on his clothes as well. And can I go over my sketches in pen because they are quite messy, while following the article on lines.

[Neondevil]

Hi guys, Neondevil agreed to mentor me. I am currently doing the latest assignment part 1 (the one with the faces). I am currently having difficulty with some faces, as it is one of my few attempts at realistic drawing. Do I have to pencil in the folds on his clothes as well. And can I go over my sketches in pen because they are quite messy, while following the article on lines.

Only pencil. You'll have to clean it up with an eraser and yep you have to do everything.

[Sigit]

Sorry for late posting my work for assignment 4. Here they are.

[pathos]

hey there, my name is tom and iam 15,
my preferred drawing tools are digital and pencil as i don't really have access to anything else.
with my art i would like to pursue it as a career and keep improving,
and my favourite artists are john howe, alan lee and Mathias Verhasselt

here is assignment 1:
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selfportraitpo9.jpg - portrait

and assignment 2:
part 1:
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4malestudycn9.jpg - 4male2
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4femalebj2.jpg -4 female2
part 2:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thumbnailsaq6.jpg - thumbnails
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=act2copyee2.jpg - 2draft
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=act2finalcopyjg2.jpg - 2final

[Neondevil]

Assignment 5: Eyes and mouths[/SIZE]
Part 1 is due Wensday the 26th at 10pm est. I want you to keep the images large it helps me to check stuff out.

Now since we got more people I want you guys to talk to each other and help each other out. Swap aim names or emails.

Part 1:

First watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAi7cHiaf-U

Then read this: http://www.portrait-artist.org/face/lips.html

Ok I promised Sigit we'd get more in depth and here we go. Below are some images of eyes and noses. For next week I want all of those drawn up in pencil.


Part 2:

Since I gave you guys a lot for this week we're going to break up the character creation over the next 3 weeks so there's time to get some detail in there.

So for this week just do the 15 thumbnails.

We're gonna do something new this time. I'm going to give you 3 categories with 2 adjectives each. Pick one adjective from each category and make a character out of them

Morbidly Obese
Stick Thin

Angry
Indifferent

Smelly
Abused


When you guys post your work I want you to critique each other and I want you to say 2 good things and then 2 bad things about each main piece. Remember be constructive, we can't help each other with just praise!

[Neondevil]

hey there, my name is tom and iam 15,
my preferred drawing tools are digital and pencil as i don't really have access to anything else.
with my art i would like to pursue it as a career and keep improving,
and my favourite artists are john howe, alan lee and Mathias Verhasselt

here is assignment 1:
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selfportraitpo9.jpg - portrait


and assignment 2:
part 1:
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4malestudycn9.jpg - 4male2
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4femalebj2.jpg -4 female2
part 2:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thumbnailsaq6.jpg - thumbnails
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=act2copyee2.jpg - 2draft
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=act2finalcopyjg2.jpg - 2final

Ok some things.

-You're drawing your pecs like breasts, if the guy isn't fat the muscles need to be more square.

- Watch your legs they tend to run short and watch your hips.

- When you have more time on something get into the shading a little more.

- For the final guy what happened to his feet? Also don't have them floating in the middle of the page like that. Crop them in a little closer.

[Neondevil]

Sorry for late posting my work for assignment 4. Here they are.

- Thumbnails are getting better, remember to manage your negative space so it doesn't look unfinished.


- You had the girl's form nailed in the rough sketch but then her thigh got dislocated in the final. She also looks like she's going to fall off the couch in the final. We'll cover perspective if you want later but this is a classic example of 1 point perspective. All of your vertical lines should goto the same point in the horizon that you decide ahead of time so that's why the rug looks funny as compared to the couch.There's a good use of foreground/middle ground/background here. Keep it up.

[blackplasma]

Sorry for submitting this late...
this is assignment 4 part 1. (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/966/assignment41ii0.jpg)
Neondevil, do you want me to do assignment 5 or should I do assignment 4 part 2?

[Neondevil]

Sorry for submitting this late...
this is assignment 4 part 1. (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/966/assignment41ii0.jpg)
Neondevil, do you want me to do assignment 5 or should I do assignment 4 part 2?

I'll critique this when I get home from work but yeah skip straight to assignment 5 and keep on time for this one.

[pathos]

heres assingment 3:
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands14copyvm4.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands18copyuy9.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand112copytb8.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handlastcopysx1.jpg
and 4:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34125830ui7.jpg

and also with the eyes do you want us to add detail to the eyes shown or redraw the eyes with more detail?

[Neondevil]

heres assingment 3:
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands14copyvm4.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands18copyuy9.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand112copytb8.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handlastcopysx1.jpg
and 4:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34125830ui7.jpg

and also with the eyes do you want us to add detail to the eyes shown or redraw the eyes with more detail?

Just do them as they are. Once you get the shape down then we can add in all the details.

[Neondevil]

Sorry for submitting this late...
this is assignment 4 part 1. (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/966/assignment41ii0.jpg)
Neondevil, do you want me to do assignment 5 or should I do assignment 4 part 2?

The one thing I need you to watch is the dimensions of the head. Look at yourself in the mirror and look at the part where the neck connects to your head.

[Neondevil]

heres assingment 3:
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands14copyvm4.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands18copyuy9.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand112copytb8.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handlastcopysx1.jpg
and 4:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34125830ui7.jpg

and also with the eyes do you want us to add detail to the eyes shown or redraw the eyes with more detail?

Two things about this

- I want you to get a harder pencil. An HB will work. I want clean crisp lines. You can't vary the line weight if your lines are already huge.

- Connect your lines, you leave a lot of open spaces where there shouldn't be any. I also want you to focus on taking longer strokes.

[pathos]

part 1 :
lips
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=first2rowslipsfh2.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=restoflipsko2.jpg
eyes
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyesfirstotherissecondmk2.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=assingment5eyesfirstsv3.jpg

part 2
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thumbnailass4copyas4.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=draftcopygh7.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalcopywh9.jpg

i did a draft and final because i didnt do assingment 4 part 2.
also i used a hb for this one and i think it turned out better, thanks :teeth:

[Sigit]

Neondevil I want to ask about assignment 5 part 1:
Do we have to shade the lip or just draw the outline?
The first picture about drawing eye , do we draw the eye assignment using the steps in the first picture?

[Neondevil]

Neondevil I want to ask about assignment 5 part 1:
Do we have to shade the lip or just draw the outline?
The first picture about drawing eye , do we draw the eye assignment using the steps in the first picture?

No shading, we haven't gotten that far yet. Also you can follow the video if you want but draw the eyes in the picture as is.

[Neondevil]

part 1 :
lips
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=first2rowslipsfh2.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=restoflipsko2.jpg
eyes
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyesfirstotherissecondmk2.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=assingment5eyesfirstsv3.jpg

part 2
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thumbnailass4copyas4.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=draftcopygh7.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalcopywh9.jpg

i did a draft and final because i didnt do assingment 4 part 2.
also i used a hb for this one and i think it turned out better, thanks :teeth:

Ok I see you did some thumbnails now why aren't any of them the rough draft/final? The purpose of the thumbnail is to get an idea of what you're drawing, you don't make them then discard them for something else. I need to see your rough draft/final in the thumbnail stage.

With the lips you need to watch the top lip especially the part where there's the indentation. That part is always there and it can't bend in on itself unless you manipulate it with your fingers.

You're still going to have to do the eventual rough draft again. I want you to focus on how the person's state affects their body language. If he's malnourished he'll be slumped and miserable.

[pathos]

the thumbnail for my final and rough draft is second row, 3rd from the left.
with the draft do you want me to redraw the emotion of the picture? make him more depressed/sad?

[Neondevil]

the thumbnail for my final and rough draft is second row, 3rd from the left.
with the draft do you want me to redraw the emotion of the picture? make him more depressed/sad?

There it is. Keep it more like the thumbnail and crop it in more and yeah I want to feel some emotion in this.

He looks like a starving ethiopian so make him feel like one.

[pathos]

no worries should be up later, thanks for the crits:}

[Neondevil]

no worries should be up later, thanks for the crits:}

That's what I'm here for.

[pathos]

is this more what you were looking for

[Sigit]

My work for eye and lip assignment.

[blackplasma]

Neondevil, I started shading before I read the post I am almost finnished, and they turned out not as good as I expected. I also need help with the teeth.
I might not do assignments for a week or two because I have finals, but I will surely try to keep up.

[blackplasma]

my assignment333086

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[Neondevil]

is this more what you were looking for

Now we're getting somewhere but what is that right arm doing?

[Neondevil]

My work for eye and lip assignment.

Good studies but watch the curve of the bottom lip it tends to dip too low.


Where are my thumbnails?

[Neondevil]

my assignment333086

333087

Ok I need you to start looking for reference points. Where does this part of the lip meet that part of the tooth? I drew you a diagram of what I see in my mind when I'm doing studies like this. I'm always looking for where things line up.

Also use longer lines not a bunch of short ones.

As long as you get everything done it's cool just keep me posted.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 6: The head
Part 1 is due Wensday the 2nd at 10pm est. I want you to keep the images large it helps me to check stuff out.

Now since we got more people I want you guys to talk to each other and help each other out. Swap aim names or emails.

Part 1:

First watch this: http://media.academyart.edu/freeclass/ Click straight to proportions and go all the way through. Pay attention when he talks about how things line up.

You're going to draw the studies from the two Loomis pages I posted at the bottom (the pencil dealies). Copy them as best as you can and this includes shading. Then I've posted a picture of a random person and you're going to draw them. No shading allowed on this one. I want crisp lines and variations in line weight.

Part 2:

I want to see some rough sketches for this week. Two of you still owe me thumbnails so I want to see them too.

We're gonna do something new this time. I'm going to give you 3 categories with 2 adjectives each. Pick one adjective from each category and make a character out of them

Morbidly Obese
Stick Thin

Angry
Indifferent

Smelly
Abused

[Sigit]

Oopss..
I forgot about the thumbnail. I post it immediately. I thought after 3 weeks then post the character assignment.

[Neondevil]

Oopss..
I forgot about the thumbnail. I post it immediately. I thought after 3 weeks then post the character assignment.

I meant it gets spread out over 3 weeks so you guys have more time to refine.

[Sigit]

My result for the assignment.
Neondevil I want to ask about drawing head using Loomis style, a few times I have some trouble in drawing the head because the face seem too wide or too long. Can you give me some tips?

[Neondevil]

Ok I redlined your stuff. You need to stop trying to make everything a curvy line. Curves are harder to draw then straight lines so save yourself the effort and get the basics in before you refine.

Also I want you to draw lines between things so they line up, look at the redline going across the loomis eyes and your drawing's eyes.


Also the other problem is you need to learn to draw what you see not what you think you see best way I know to fix this is just doing a lot of studies.


Give me some feedback, how is this working out for you so far?

[Neondevil]

Assignment 6: The head part 2
Part 1 is due Wensday the 9th at 10pm est. I want you to keep the images large it helps me to check stuff out.

Now since we got more people I want you guys to talk to each other and help each other out. Swap aim names or emails.

Part 1:

Ok we did the whole head now let's practice some. First do the two assignments in this thread: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14119

Then I want you to draw the people I've posted below, shading for the top assignment but for the photos and this time I want to see some shading.

The trick with shading is that you can always get darker but it's hard to get lighter. So start with very light shadows and gradually work your way up to the darker ones.


There is no Part 2 I want you to really work on these and make them amazing.

[Sigit]

Neondevil thanks for the advice. For the assignment you want us to draw the profile, high contrast and the 3 photos with shading ?

[Neondevil]

Neondevil thanks for the advice. For the assignment you want us to draw the profile, high contrast and the 3 photos with shading ?

That'd be it yeah.

[Sigit]

My work for the assignment. Having some trouble in rendering.
Neondevil you once said "you need to learn to draw what you see not what you think you see" . Do you mean that when we drawing from reference or life we don't need to draw the basic outline (creating the sketch of the head, torso)??

[Neondevil]

You definitely need to pre-emptively sketch there is no arguing this.


What I mean is that you have a picture of something in your head, let's say it's an eye. You'll see that idea and think it's supposed to look like how your mind sees it and not how it is in the photograph/reference. So you need to abandon the idea of what you think you see and draw instead what you see. Does that make sense?



Critiques after this post.

[Neondevil]

Ok main critique here is darker, darker, darker! I want you to go out and get a couple different pencils and try them out for next week. I'm assuming you're in the 2h to HB range so I want you to get a 2b and a 6b to add to that and I also want you to pick up a kneaded eraser.

If you're too light you can't work in your highlights and in black and white your default base for human skin should be gray and not white.


Look at the shapes of your shadows and pay close attention to reflected light.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 7: Shading

The assignment is due Friday the 18th at 10pm est. I want you to keep the images large it helps me to check stuff out.



First I want you to do something called a blind contour exersize. What you do is hold your hand out in front of you and then draw it in only line. The thing is you can't look down at the paper you can only look at what you're drawing and you can't lift your pencil from the paper. They shouldn't last anymore than a couple minutes and they're supposed to look horrible.

This is going to help you to draw what you see instead of what you see in your head.

I want you to do 3 of these a day every day this week so 21 in total. Especially do them before you start the next part of the assignment which is:

Read and do the two exersizes in this thread:

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14035&highlight=shading+tutorial

[Sigit]

Neondevil, I want to ask about the blind countour drawing, can we draw any object we want or we have to draw human anatomy???

[Neondevil]

Neondevil, I want to ask about the blind countour drawing, can we draw any object we want or we have to draw human anatomy???

For now just draw your hand.

[Sigit]

Actually for the assignment 6 I'm using 2B and HB pencil. This time I'm using HB, 2B, 4B, and 6B. Having a some trouble in drawing second part (because my proportion and my shading are bad) and in the exercise it doesn't tell anything about the proportion used.

[Neondevil]

Actually for the assignment 6 I'm using 2B and HB pencil. This time I'm using HB, 2B, 4B, and 6B. Having a some trouble in drawing second part (because my proportion and my shading are bad) and in the exercise it doesn't tell anything about the proportion used.

Ok the shading on the girl is better than the shading on the guy. He needs to be lightened in the highlights and you need to pay attention to the reflected light.

Your corrections are below. We're gonna work on your shading on your next assignment.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 9

This is due for Friday the 25th and 10pm

You're only allowed to use JUST the HB pencil for this week. You need to be able to get a variety of different grays out of one pencil.

First read the "Practice" and "Blending" sections of this article: http://www.rebekahlynn.com/free/tutorial/shading_tutorial.html


1) Make all the corrections to the two assignments from last week.

2) Using the HB pencil make a shading chart. You should be able to at least pull 9 values out of the pencil.

It should look like what's posted below.

3) http://www.posemaniacs.com/?pagename=thirtysecond I want to see at least 30 30 second poses and 10 60 second poses. Reserve half the time to draw the figure and half the time to shade.

[Sigit]

My work for the assignment. Having trouble in drawing from pose maniac. 30 and 60 seconds are very short time.

[Neondevil]

The guy is good. With the girl I made some corrections. Her head is cocked slightly and she's turned away from the camera so part of her nostril is obscured by her cheek. Same goes for the sides of her mouth so that line is critical.

You really need to focus quickly on what to do and manage your time with the 60 second studies. No more scribbles in place of shading, take the pencil and put it on it's side and that will be better. Your main goal is to get the gesture.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 10

This is due for Friday the 2nd and 10pm

You're only allowed to use JUST the HB pencil for this week. You need to be able to get a variety of different grays out of one pencil.

First read this: http://carolsantora.com/DrawingLessons.htm

Then watch this: http://www.toadhollowstudio.com/index.html


1) Make the corrections to the girl from last week.

2) Follow the tutorial in the video above.

3) Start drawing on the image posted below. It should be in the shading stage by next friday. Remember always shade light to dark. Identify the lightest areas on the girl and the darkest areas on the girl before you start shading.

It should look like what's posted below.

4) http://www.posemaniacs.com/?pagename=thirtysecond Now we're going to move on to 10 30 second poses, 10 60 second poses and 20 90 second poses. You can't waste lines on this everything has to show a form and don't go over anything twice. Shade with the side of your pencil and block out the shadows.

[Sigit]

My result for the assignment

[Neondevil]

My result for the assignment


Ok I want you to stop skipping on the drawing of the faces. Also less scribbling for the shadows I want to see clean crisp strokes, see the attachment. Other than that it's looking better.

As for the girl her body was too crunched in on itself see the picture below.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 11

This is due for Saturday the 10th and 10pm

You're only allowed to use JUST the HB pencil for this week. You need to be able to get a variety of different grays out of one pencil.


1) Make the corrections to the girl from last week.

2) Read and Copy the 2 pages posted below

3) http://www.posemaniacs.com/?pagename=thirtysecond Do 20 90 second drawings from pose maniacs. Remember pencil off the paper after every shading stroke and I want to see some faces.

[Sigit]

Having some trouble in figure 90sec (the face) . The time isn't enough?? or maybe I'm too slow.

[Neondevil]

Having some trouble in figure 90sec (the face) . The time isn't enough?? or maybe I'm too slow.

Nope don't worry it's not supposed to be great. As for the girl as of right now she looks a little too Asian. I've attached a critique and I've outlined the raised highlighted areas for you. The second part is look at how the hand matches up to the face and how the face is in relation to the chest and the arms. It's all about measurement.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 12

This is due for Saturday the 17th and 10pm

You're only allowed to use JUST the HB pencil for this week. You need to be able to get a variety of different grays out of one pencil.


1) Make the corrections to the girl from last week.

2) Draw each part of the picture posted below. Remember pay attention to what lines up to what such as the elbows lining up with the hips, where the hands fall, what the breasts attach to, etc. No shading for now keep to lines.

3) http://www.posemaniacs.com/?pagename=thirtysecond Do 15 30 second drawings from pose maniacs to warm up. Remember I want to see some faces!

[Sigit]

My figure drawing (face) are very bad, it looks like monster:overhere:

[Neondevil]

Critiques and the next assignment are still coming I'm just running a bit late.

[Neondevil]

My figure drawing (face) are very bad, it looks like monster:overhere:

Sorry I'm late it's been a long work week. Those figure drawings are getting better. I've attached the critique of the other things and I see you're using the grid method stop doing that immediately. It's good you're branching out into new things but don't use that method.

The woman from last week is good you can stop working on her.


Now as for the other woman I want to see more detail from you there's a ton of awesome folds and weird lumpy fat all over her. Pay close attention to them and express them via line. Also pay closer attention to the foot and the side perspective view you're mushing the face in too much.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 13

This is due for Saturday the 31st and 10pm

You're only allowed to use JUST the HB pencil for this week. You need to be able to get a variety of different grays out of one pencil.

Read the two pages related to proportions below.


1) Make the corrections to the girl poses from last week. Remember I want to see details and you may begin shading her.

2) Draw all the feet posted on the page below then 3 drawings of your own from life.

3) http://www.posemaniacs.com/?pagename=thirtysecond Do 15 30 second drawings from pose maniacs to warm up. Remember I want to see some faces![/QUOTE]

[Sigit]

Hi Neondevil,
I just open CA today after a few day I didn't use internet
About the assignment, does it include drawing the proportion and john and mary problem??
I look at the picture but I don't understand about the 2 level proprotion. Can you explain it to me?
I'll be late for the assignment because I just know it today, but I post it as fast as possible.

[Neondevil]

Hi Neondevil,
I just open CA today after a few day I didn't use internet
About the assignment, does it include drawing the proportion and john and mary problem??
I look at the picture but I don't understand about the 2 level proprotion. Can you explain it to me?
I'll be late for the assignment because I just know it today, but I post it as fast as possible.

Nope just review it you don't have to draw them and get it to me as soon as you can.

Level 2 proportion would be somebody standing on a level above the ground level. An example would be people on a stage and the crowd itself.

[Neondevil]

I found this online analyze it and tell me what you think he's doing.

[Sigit]

Here my result for the assignment

[Sigit]

I think the left one is smiling because the eyes are look small (1) , the mouth seems to be smiling (2), the muscle beside the mouth are curved like when we smile (3) , the curve around the eyes(4), and the eyebrow(5).

The right one is like someone who is disappointed, because the mouth is curved down(A)he muscle beside the mouth curved like a sad person (B)nd the muscle in the cheek (C)

[Neondevil]

Ok some comments. First never ever outline hair it needs to be organic and flowing so imply it with lines instead of just drawing out as one big blob.


Also notice how the artist I posted before works. He starts out blocking in the main shadows and then gets darker and more finely detailed as he goes.

Remember there isn't a lot of solid white in a person. It tends to only come up if they're wet and since this girl is hispanic she's got a brown skin tone so that needs to be compensated for.

The feet are good I want to see them applied to your drawings that way. Also be careful with all those sketchy lines.


That and remember there's some nice shadows on the face I want to be able to see those.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 14

This is due for Saturday the 14th and 10pm

The rules have now changed you can use the HB as well as one grade darker and one lighter pencil Also this week get some charcoal preferably the soft kind. Not vine. Also if you have a digital camera get a large newsprint pad so we can do some large figure study.


1) Make the corrections to the girl poses from last week. Let's see some light defining shadows in the face.

2) Read the chart posted below then draw the 10 faces in the light blue section

3) Begin on the image posted below. Remember try and follow the technique of the artist before. Also try new shading techniques such as using the side of the pencil to block in shadows.

[Sigit]

Sorry about posting late.

[Neondevil]

It's all good. Crits coming later tonight.

[Neondevil]

Sorry about posting late.

Did you redraw the naked women again? The first set was leaps and bounds better. The foreheads are too large, the eyes are down too low and the side views have their faces squished in.

As for the big girl you need to work more on your faces. She has a very dominant brow on top of a round face. In short she's really ugly and you need to convey that. You have her too pretty in your drawing. The rest of the body is fine but that face just doesn't fit.

Her torso is also too long. You need to push her down more and expand her outwards.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 15

This is due for Wensdaythe 25th and 10pm

The rules have now changed you can use the HB as well as one grade darker and one lighter pencil Also this week get some charcoal preferably the soft kind. Not vine. Also if you have a digital camera get a large newsprint pad so we can do some large figure study.


1) Make the corrections to the chubby girl's face

2) I want to try a new exersize for this week and I want you to first draw a self portrait. Then I want you to make one after that, this time try making your nose a little shorter or your eyes a little farther apart. Then after that one I want you to make one last one this time see what happens when you change the shape of your jawline or how large your mouth is, make some drastic changes.


I want you to pay attention to the lines on your face I want to see detail and all the appropriate elements lining up. Remember look for reference points on the face!!!

[Sigit]

Did you redraw the naked women again?
Yes I draw everything from zero.

About the self portrait , is it just face or whole body? You want me to draw 3 pic (self portrait, self portrait changed in nose or eyes, self portrait changed in jaw or mouth right?? Do you want me to shade all of them ? or just line? Changes in the face does not change the width or height of the face right??

[Neondevil]

Did you redraw the naked women again?
Yes I draw everything from zero.

About the self portrait , is it just face or whole body? You want me to draw 3 pic (self portrait, self portrait changed in nose or eyes, self portrait changed in jaw or mouth right?? Do you want me to shade all of them ? or just line? Changes in the face does not change the width or height of the face right??

Ok none of that drawing from zero, when you make corrections it has to be to the original piece.


Also just the face and you can change the height and width of the face on the last one. You can shade if you want to.

[Xinga]

Hi! I'm quite new to this forum and just noticed this mentoring stuff :)

I was wondering if it is too late to begin with assigment one? I'll be glad to join!

[Neondevil]

Hi! I'm quite new to this forum and just noticed this mentoring stuff :)

I was wondering if it is too late to begin with assigment one? I'll be glad to join!


If you think you can start and keep up with the work then you're welcome to come aboard.

[Xinga]

Assignment 0
My name is Xinga and I'm turning 17 next month (July 08') :)
I prefer drawing with pencils generally using 2H, HB, 3B and 6B.
My goal in the world of art is to become very secure and accurate of using the pencil (because I still believe I have some anatomic and theoretic issues) and go as far as I can - even trying to pass the level of professional drawing.
I only know the classical artists but one modern artist i prefer is Boris Vallejo, still, not really my style but I admire his work :)

I haven't really scanned my drawings but do visit my sketchbook (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1804732#post1804732=1804732#post1 804732), and take a look on the picture in Assignment 1 :D


Assignment 1
See attachment :)

[Xinga]

Hi there! I just finnished Assignment 2 please do take a look :)

Now over to Assignment 3!

[Sigit]

My work for the assignment . The first is revision of the last assignment. The second one was another attempt in drawing the girl from zero.

[Xinga]

Phew, I'm catching up :D here are Assigments 3 to 5 (I still have do draw the Thumbnails in Assig 5 though)

As you can see, I do lack of some anatomic technique and accuracy (Especially in Assig 3 and Assig 4) - any practical tip except practice? :)

[Khornate]

Hi, just wondering if you're taking any more mentees, here's my post in the mentee/mentor thread: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1813585&postcount=626

Thanks

[Neondevil]

Ok good work so far guys. Critiques coming tomorrow night.

Khornate if you can keep up then you can join.

[Neondevil]

My work for the assignment . The first is revision of the last assignment. The second one was another attempt in drawing the girl from zero.

First one is better the one from zero had the same original problem of the girl being too tiny and skinny. We're going for an oval as opposed to a triangle. I've made my corrections on it below.
Edit: Just realized the nose is too low, raise it.

As for the faces. Do you have an afro? Hair cannot be one lump of shape it has to flow also you need to remember all the anatomy laws from what you've been doing your face has contours and you need to define them. I want you to do this assignment over again. I've attached something to better illustrate my point.

[Neondevil]

Phew, I'm catching up :D here are Assigments 3 to 5 (I still have do draw the Thumbnails in Assig 5 though)

As you can see, I do lack of some anatomic technique and accuracy (Especially in Assig 3 and Assig 4) - any practical tip except practice? :)

Now it's time for YOU!


Ok first off I want you to draw BIGGER. You're cramming too much in one page, from now on I want to see bigger drawings.

Secondly none of this final project on a page with something else. The final project should be on a page all to itself.

Now as for the figures I need to see more time actually crafting the figure before you shade. If you're missing fingers and toes in a 10 minute and 20 minute sketch something is wrong.

Also where are my faces? There's no cop out on that I want to see them.

For assignment 2 the bodies are too stubby and as for the soldier girl I've attached a redline.

Why are your thumbnails not boxed in? Remember you're simulating a canvas size with a rectangle and the figures should be placed inside accordingly.

For assignment 3 those heads are too small. I need big big BIG! You also tend to miss the back of the head the most as well as having the ears too far forward. Also on the knife you have some nice hatching beside the pommel why doesn't it continue through the rest of the drawing? Also there needs to be characters, this is just a knife study with no framing at all.

Again frame your thumbnails they shouldn't be floating figures on the page. Look at what Sigit did.

Ok now let's talk about the eye. Never ever draw just an eye. I gave a list of choices and I can't tell anything from a teary eye besides the fact that it's just a teary eye floating in the middle of a page. You can do better than that.

Focus on that for the next assignments. Remember it's an artist's job to murder as many trees as possible so use that paper!

[Neondevil]

Also I want you guys looking at each other's work and critiquing it. I want some open discussion.

[Neondevil]

Assignment 16

This is due for Wensdaythe 2nd and 10pm

The rules have now changed you can use the HB as well as one grade darker and one lighter pencil Also this week get some charcoal preferably the soft kind. Not vine. Also if you have a digital camera get a large newsprint pad so we can do some large figure study.


1) Make the corrections to the chubby girl

2) I want you to do that same self portrait exersize again but I want you to show me what you've learned so far and I want to see some serious line art with this one. I want detail out the wazoo.

[Sigit]

My work for assignment 16. Neondevil, if there anything wrong please let me know I'll make the revision.

[Neondevil]

My work for assignment 16. Neondevil, if there anything wrong please let me know I'll make the revision.

The fat chick is getting much better as for the other studies they seem to be all slopping down on the right hand side, this needs to be fixed. Also where are the eyelids? You put all of this detail into the ears and I want to see it through the whole face as expressed in line.


Hair is not just one round helmet like clump. If you have an afro then look at this link and study the picture http://www.itzcaribbean.com/Afro_hair_style.php or if your hair is just parted on the side it really needs to come down. I want to see some shape you need to show me what's going on in there.

[Sigit]

Another revision of my work

[Neondevil]

Simply adding lines inside an outline of hair isn't going to work. It comes down in layers.

Also the eyes still aren't lining up and I don't see any upper or lower eyelids. Again give me some anatomical detail.


Erase the hair entirely and do it again. I want loose this time.

[Khornate]

Ok good work so far guys. Critiques coming tomorrow night.

Khornate if you can keep up then you can join.

Im quite confident I can keep up, just need a few more days to finish up a few things and I'll get started.

[Neondevil]

Im quite confident I can keep up, just need a few more days to finish up a few things and I'll get started.

Alright let's see some drawings!

[Sigit]

Neondevil, can you give an example about drawing human hair (straight and short hair)?? Is it the same as shading the hair???

[Neondevil]

Go here http://www.furiae.com/index.php?view=gallery click on painting hair.

[Sigit]

Is this what you mean ???

[Neondevil]

Is this what you mean ???

See I knew you had it in you, that kind of flowyness is what I wanted just without the shading but since you've done it where is your light source coming from?


Alright now we're getting somewhere with the eyes but I only really see faint pencil lines for the one on my right so I can't really tell. I want to see some bottom lids.

Now lets go down the face and resolve the nose and the bottom lip, redraw them because I know you got more skills than that. Detail detail detail!

[Sigit]

Sorry the last one I forgot about the light. Here are the revision

[Neondevil]

heres assingment 3:
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands14copyvm4.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hands18copyuy9.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand112copytb8.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handlastcopysx1.jpg
and 4:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34125830ui7.jpg

and also with the eyes do you want us to add detail to the eyes shown or redraw the eyes with more detail?

You draw the eyes as they are.


Now two major things. I want longer strokes out of you, you're being too sketchy and those faces are drawn WAY too small. None of that anymore.

[Sigit]

Neondevil do I need any revision again???

[Neondevil]

Neondevil do I need any revision again???

Weird I could have sworn my critique posted awhile ago.



Anyway, it's time to shade so let's see how you resolve the space, remember get a light source and use a mirror.

[Sigit]

My shading for the picture

[Neondevil]

My shading for the picture

Ok my first thought is that they're all leaning to the right.

First one is cross eyed and his hair looks like a wig. Why is there a white highlight at the bottom of the part? Then you have that strong white highlight and what looks like just an even color across the rest of the head. You do this with all of them except for the middle which has the best hair.


Now as for the shading it's all in one direction. I'd like to see it follow the contours of the face. Mix it up a little bit if you're just going to hatch, it'll make it more interesting.


The foreheads need work, there is a ridge that sticks out where your eyebrows are and it's higher or lower for some people but it's there and it needs to be defined.




Ok make the corrections and post them but after this, this class will be on a 3 week hiatus as I'm going to be out of state taking classes myself.

In the meantime I want you to do some things:

- Start a sketchbook on CA. Give it a witty title and put your work in there and show yourself off, it'll get you some interesting critiques.

- Create a deviant art. (http://www.deviantart.com). It's free hosting for your images and again it's another place to just check some things out.

- I saw your post on the forums about trouble drawing from imagination. I want you to participate in the daily sketch threads and also http://www.illustrationfriday.com/ post all the results in the aforementioned sketchbook. Do 3 or more of these a week.

Good luck I'll see you in August!

[Sigit]

My correction for the assignment. Ok I'll do your advice as soon as possible

[Neondevil]

Alright here's what I want to do for now.


I want you to propose a character to me, write a brief biography then fill out these traits:

Basic Attributes:
Name:
Gender & Age:
Appearance:
Strength & Speed:
Dexterity & Stamina
Perception & Intelligence:

Key Personality Traits:
Iconic trait:
Habits:
Flaw:
Fears:
Desires:


Then after that's done think about how you can express all of that into a picture and provide me with the usual set of 15 to 20 thumbnails and then just continue to post your progress as you work on it.

[Sigit]

Here the biograhy and trait
A princess who had been banished from her kingdom because of the trick of her stepmother, travel to faraway land into the deepest jungle where a dark sorceress lived. After a few years under the sorceress training, she had grown into a great apprentice. One day the sorceress asked her to travel outside the jungle to test her power. For the first time after so many years she went to see what her place of birth had become and try to get revenge to all who made her suffer.

Name : Reiko
Gender : Female
Age : 22
Appearance : Tall, dark hair, wearing sexy dress
Strength : Low
Speed : Medium
Dexterity : Low
Stamina : Medium
Perception : High
Intelligence : High

Key Personality Traits:
Iconic trait : Always using her beauty to make every man attracted
Habits : Using poison
Flaw : Emotional when anyone mention her mother
Fears : Her painful past
Desires : Makes all man suffer

I'll post the thumbnail as soon as possible

[Neondevil]

Alright so we have a black window type character going on. There's a lot of interesting things you can take from this.

Poison is generally a subversive method to kill unless her spells are poison based in nature. So how can you work that sort of method into the character? Just she sleep with the men then murder them in their sleep? How is her mood when she uses these powers? Regretful? Sad? Angry?

Or does she only tempt men never letting them get to close because they'd remind her too much of her father?

You didn't mention anything about her father, she does need a reason to hate all men. Could it be because he let all this stuff go down with her step mother?

Edit: You do need more habits as of right now she seems like a serial killer if all she does is play with poison. If that's your intention then awesome but state it straight out. You can have fun with making her totally nuts but it all depends on her posture and her implements.

A princess who had been banished from her kingdom because of the trick of her stepmother, travel to faraway land into the deepest jungle where a dark sorceress lived. After a few years under the sorceress training, she had grown into a great apprentice. One day the sorceress asked her to travel outside the jungle to test her power. For the first time after so many years she went to see what her place of birth had become and try to get revenge to all who made her suffer.

Name : Reiko
Gender : Female
Age : 22
Appearance : Tall, dark hair, wearing sexy dress
Strength : Low
Speed : Medium
Dexterity : Low
Stamina : Medium
Perception : High
Intelligence : High

Key Personality Traits:
Iconic trait : Always using her beauty to make every man attracted
Habits : Using poison
Flaw : Emotional when anyone mention her mother
Fears : Her painful past
Desires : Makes all man suffer

I'll post the thumbnail as soon as possible

[Sigit]

These are the thumbnail detail :
- She is trying to seduce the city guard
- Her arm is glowing green and some soldiers are trying to attack her
- She is going to take a bath in onsen and some men suprised when they saw her black widow tattoo in her back
- She is releasing poison cloud and some men are choked
- She is poisoning the food
- She is blowing poison to a person in close up
- She is meditating and her aura become green
- She killed a man in his terrace and she is happy to see him dead
- She is blowing poison and some people dead and other trying to survive
- She is having a bath and some men trying to peep
- She is angry and causing the her inner power flowing around her
- She is walking in the crowd and all the men who sees her are attracted
- She is trying to seduce the man to slept with her
- She is walking and her aura made all living things around her dead
- She touched the man's face while using poison power in her hand which cause the man feeling pain

I choose number 12.
- She is trying to seduce the man to slept with her

[Neondevil]

These are the thumbnail detail :
- She is trying to seduce the city guard
- Her arm is glowing green and some soldiers are trying to attack her
- She is going to take a bath in onsen and some men suprised when they saw her black widow tattoo in her back
- She is releasing poison cloud and some men are choked
- She is poisoning the food
- She is blowing poison to a person in close up
- She is meditating and her aura become green
- She killed a man in his terrace and she is happy to see him dead
- She is blowing poison and some people dead and other trying to survive
- She is having a bath and some men trying to peep
- She is angry and causing the her inner power flowing around her
- She is walking in the crowd and all the men who sees her are attracted
- She is trying to seduce the man to slept with her
- She is walking and her aura made all living things around her dead
- She touched the man's face while using poison power in her hand which cause the man feeling pain

I choose number 12.
- She is trying to seduce the man to slept with her

Alright so how would you put her body language and how do you put the body language of the people around her?

What would stand out about her that would make her deadly?

How do you also show that she's an apprentice wizard?


You need to watch your perspective on this and also you're going to have to figure out the background and make it in tune with the character designs.

Ok let's move on to a rough sketch.

[Sigit]

My work for the assignment.

[Neondevil]

Before you even do anything look where your characters are looking and what they're pointing at.


Also did you use reference because it doesn't look like it.

The poses are stiff and nothing screams seductive about the girl she just looks bored. The guy looks like he's squished and his body size doesn't match up.


What about the giant negative space in the left hand size?

[SaiVix]

wow.. you are such a good mentor!! Is it easy to find one?! I wanna do this so badly!

[Neondevil]

wow.. you are such a good mentor!! Is it easy to find one?! I wanna do this so badly!

Thank you.


If you want you can join us, there's always room.

[SaiVix]

I would love to join!!!:rocker:

[Sigit]

Neondevil I'll try again . What I imagine always different from what I draw. I use some ref only for the room

[Neondevil]

Neondevil I'll try again . What I imagine always different from what I draw. I use some ref only for the room

Use refs for the people it's mandatory. Also keep in mind thier size and posture the guy just doesn't look like he wants it.

[Neondevil]

I would love to join!!!:rocker:

Ok then let's start you immediatly. Answer the questions that I've posted above about your character then I want 10 - 15 thumbnails of a scene with that character.

[SaiVix]

oh ok! I will start off with the assignments of questions. I suppose you wouldn't wanna see assignments from the beginning would you?

[Neondevil]

oh ok! I will start off with the assignments of questions. I suppose you wouldn't wanna see assignments from the beginning would you?

I want to see every step in your process.

[SaiVix]

Work has just started to get slow enough for me to have energy. But anyways..

1: My name is Vic Phan and I am 26 years old

2: I like drawing with my pencils. They range from 2h - 8b. But, I have narrowed it down to 2h, hb, 2b, and 4b. I would love to get better with digital paintings, though.

3: I am aspiring to become a world renowned illustrator, Well, actually, that has always been the dream, ever since I was a child. Now, I would just love to illustrate for a living. Making sure, that I am getting good money from what I absolutely love to do. Gaming Visual Art would be my dream job.

4: My favorite artists off the top of my head; Hyung Tae Kim, Furiae, El Corro, among many others.

5: My favorite work that I have ever done is this picture of my girlfriend. I did it with oil pastels on a small canvas.

This is the assignment, I was told to do.
http://saivix.deviantart.com/art/Hank-Lowe-Thumbs-001-99503487

[Neondevil]

Work has just started to get slow enough for me to have energy. But anyways..

1: My name is Vic Phan and I am 26 years old

2: I like drawing with my pencils. They range from 2h - 8b. But, I have narrowed it down to 2h, hb, 2b, and 4b. I would love to get better with digital paintings, though.

3: I am aspiring to become a world renowned illustrator, Well, actually, that has always been the dream, ever since I was a child. Now, I would just love to illustrate for a living. Making sure, that I am getting good money from what I absolutely love to do. Gaming Visual Art would be my dream job.

4: My favorite artists off the top of my head; Hyung Tae Kim, Furiae, El Corro, among many others.

5: My favorite work that I have ever done is this picture of my girlfriend. I did it with oil pastels on a small canvas.

This is the assignment, I was told to do.
http://saivix.deviantart.com/art/Hank-Lowe-Thumbs-001-99503487


You set up your thumbnails in what looks to be a sequential comic strip. This is bad they should be able to stand on their own and show the traits of the character to get an idea of who they really are.


What we're going for here is one finished painting.

Ask yourself what does he do during the day and how can you express that in the scene? Number 7 is probably the best to show this.

Think about it some more then give me a rough sketch.

[SaiVix]

What is happening to this thread? Its like nobody here anymore... Where are all my classmates?

[Sigit]

Hi SaiVix welcome to the class.
I have been offline because I'm trying to find some ref
This is my revision.

[SaiVix]

hey! This looks so much better than the earlier post. Your postures are a lot better.

I found some poses that you can try and, of course, reshape.
http://www.contentparadise.com/user/providerimage.php?productid=37883&uri=/images/Syltermermaid/SM_Poses_P/Pose03.jpg

And for the guy...
http://newsinfo.iu.edu/pub/libs/images/usr/1164.jpg
http://www.shawxsharks.com/Reaching%20forward4.JPG
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/1547/11441403.JPG

Of course you will have to adjust it as appropriate. But, I think these will help you out huh? I am sure you can find a kneeling pose in posemaniacs. But the reaching forward poses should help you out with the arms and posture.

[Neondevil]

Hi SaiVix welcome to the class.
I have been offline because I'm trying to find some ref
This is my revision.


YES!


Now we're getting somewhere, this is a lot better than the first one. What I want to see now is the girl's leg's resolved, the calves are much too big and her feet are flat. Look at your own legs for reference if you need too.


The other problem is still the poses. Lean the guy forward like he really wants it and his face is far too placid, if this woman is an amazing seductress then he should have lost all composure by now.

As for the girl again she should look cocky her chin up and looking down her nose at him perhaps with a distainful scowl.

I also need to see what makes her dangerous, maybe a dagger tucked under the pillow, show me that she's evil but do it in a subtle way.


also Vic good job on the helping out, keep encouraging each other!

[Sigit]

SaiVix thanks for the ref and advice
Neondevil I'll post my revision ASAP

[Neondevil]

I nearly forgot. If you guys aren't doing it already post all the stuff you're doing here to your sketchbooks.

[SaiVix]

Neondevil and Sigit - No probs :D

[Neondevil]

I just found this badass reference over at 4chan and I gotta share it with you guys. Really look it over and ready yourself because soon you're going to be coloring.

[Sigit]

Another trial on the pose

[Neondevil]

I cropped in your picture there was just too much negative space. You want the interest to be on the people so you need to keep the focus there otherwise the eyes will wander.

Have a look at the bodies now, I want you to use your own hands and feet as reference for these.


Also the bed and the pillow are flat.


Lastly you have these cool Japanese shades in the background, why not add some silhouettes of people talking or something in there?

[Sigit]

My revision

[Neondevil]

My revision

Ok good.


Now check out the guy's arms look at how one right one is longer than the left one and the right one's hand needs some work. Also his back foot, again look at your own feet for reference.

Also the building out the window needs something horizontal in front of it otherwise it needs to go.


My eyes follow the guy's line of vision then get stuck on the building.

A good tip is to close your eyes for a few seconds then look at your drawing, your eyes should be able to circle around it without a problem, if not then something needs to be fixed.


After you get through this part I want you to scan it in and start coloring it on the computer. I want to see the next version with the flat colors laid out on it, see the chart I posted above and copy the colors for now. Now go back to the first page and look how far you've come so far!



Now you have homework too I want to see this done by SATURDAY:

http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/Elf/Male/ElfRobeParade_Syt.jpg

I want you to draw each person in there individually I want you to pay special attention to the cloth and how it flows over their bodies. Look where it bunches up and then look how it falls naturally. No shading on this one only lines.

[Sigit]

My revision and the assignment

[Neondevil]

Now see how you did the cloth in those studies? I want you to apply that to your drawing now.


Also how are you coloring it? If it's it photoshop how are you arranging your layers?


Now the ultimate goal of color is getting things to pop. Now if you look at yours notice how the people tend to blend into the background? The hues are too near each other. I've not darkened the background and look how much easier it is to see them.


You want to avoid grays as much as possible here, we're talking colors. Also you've picked a warm color palette so cold colors are going to immediately stand out. Also do not get too saturated otherwise they'll just burn the eyes.

Keep a layer with little blobs of the colors you're using in case you need to go back to them.


Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_theory#Complementary_colors


Next I want you to pick a light source and start blocking out where it's coming from.

Edit: Forgot that painting on the left of the drawing stands out like a sore thumb, tell me why.

[Sigit]

I'm coloring using layers
Another update ( the orange color is caused by the lamp)
The reason for the painting is the kimono is colored red.

[Neondevil]

I'm coloring using layers
Another update ( the orange color is caused by the lamp)
The reason for the painting is the kimono is colored red.

You're doing a light source that's just as dark as the shadows. I want you to pick where it's coming from and shade them appropriately. Don't be scared of laying down some color. Another tip is to screw with the opacity of your brush you ALWAYS want to use the hard brush for now, don't go near the airbrushes.

Where's the shadows on the skin? Use the chart I posted above and get down to it. Remember highlights are last shade light to dark.



Edit: I also want to see some thumbnails for your next drawing by sunday.

[Sigit]

I'll post the revision soon. About the brush I always use hard brush. Do you want me to create new character thumbnail??

[Neondevil]

I'll post the revision soon. About the brush I always use hard brush. Do you want me to create new character thumbnail??

Same thing as last time.

[Sigit]

My revision and the thumbnails

[Neondevil]

My revision and the thumbnails

Ok I don't see any variation in anything all I see is an overlay of color. This is what we're going to do:

1) Delete all those shading layers you have going on and revert to the base layer.

2) Convert this to black and white using photoshop.

3) Actually shade it, I've seen the sphere you just did in your sketchbook, show me something like that. I want to see dramatic shadow.

[Sigit]

ok I'll do it right away

[Neondevil]

Where is my shading?

[Sigit]

I'm sorry I have not finished it. But I try to post it tomorrow.

[Sigit]

Sorry for posting late because it's my first time doing digital painting.

[StrangeLove]

Hi, everyone. Neondevil allowed me in the class. Thanks for the opportunity.

Name : 13
Gender : Male
Age : 29
Appearance : Dressed in a light military garb. Camo/Black undergarments. Gas mask with hoses extending to his chest. Long black jacket with a huge hood.
Strength : 10/10
Speed : 5/10
Dexterity : 5/10
Stamina : 8/10
Perception : 8/10
Intelligence : 6/10

Iconic trait : Has a leader's personality. Serious and disciplined.
Habits :
Flaw: Will do anything to complete a mission. Even at the cost of others lives.
Fears : To become what he is trying to stop.
Desires : A better day. Peace.
Bio: One of the few survivors of a nuclear fallout. Nuclear radiation has infected many with a zombie-ish disease. He and a few others are just trying to survive, let alone find a solution to the zombie problem. Infection has given him and his allies a enhanced attributes.

[Sigit]

StrangeLove welcome
Looking forward on seeing your finished work.

[Neondevil]

Ok some anatomy corrections. Also hair is not a blob I want to see some strands in there, a good way to do this is to go to photoshop and create a brush, change the jitter rating then use various sizes of it to first block in the hair then shape it.

Remember hair falls in layers and they must be defined. I know there's a good hair tutorial floating around here.


Also you need to apply what you learned in studying the cloth folds on the models and apply it to this painting, I don't see any folds in anything.


You have new homework, I want you to take a blanket and drape it over something, draw this in 4 different positions and I want you to note how it falls.

[Neondevil]

Hi, everyone. Neondevil allowed me in the class. Thanks for the opportunity.

Name : 13
Gender : Male
Age : 29
Appearance : Dressed in a light military garb. Camo/Black undergarments. Gas mask with hoses extending to his chest. Long black jacket with a huge hood.
Strength : 10/10
Speed : 5/10
Dexterity : 5/10
Stamina : 8/10
Perception : 8/10
Intelligence : 6/10

Iconic trait : Has a leader's personality. Serious and disciplined.
Habits :
Flaw: Will do anything to complete a mission. Even at the cost of others lives.
Fears : To become what he is trying to stop.
Desires : A better day. Peace.
Bio: One of the few survivors of a nuclear fallout. Nuclear radiation has infected many with a zombie-ish disease. He and a few others are just trying to survive, let alone find a solution to the zombie problem. Infection has given him and his allies a enhanced attributes.


First one to strike me was number 10. If you could have him squatting around a pile of corpses that have both his unit colors and an enemies while he has the thing he came to get it would show his ruthless personality. The other main point of that would have to be in the face, is he calm? Reflective?


Go ahead and show me a rough sketch of #10. Also critique Sigits work.

[StrangeLove]

So heres my rough sketch. I felt with the pose he was in he wasn't showing his ruthlessness, but I still kept it and tried to let the background show some personality. I'm not confident enough with my anatomy and perspective to think I could pull off 4 or 5 corpses laying around him. So instead I just focused on the one and put it in an outrageous position. I think it still gives a ruthlessness to him and maybe even a cannibalistic view.

My problems with the sketch have to do with perspective. I think it might have looked better if I had tried to set the zombie further back as well the background. Have it appear almost as a long hallway.

Their is supposed to be a machete in the mouth of the zombie. Going straight back into the cross. I tried to make it seem like the zombie is mostly held up by it. But I couldn't figure how to make it appear that it is some kind of sword with such a straight forward view point. Maybe if I tilt the head upward and have the machete going in a downward motion it could be pulled off.

The object behind the cross is stained glass. I don't know how well that comes across with it being so rough. I think it will look fine with color and crisper lines. I'll have a more extravagant "churchy" background when I put it in photoshop.

[StrangeLove]

To critique Sigits work; I don't think it pulls off what your going for. Maybe if the woman was touching the man more and leaning more into him it would help. When I look at it, I just think its some guy maybe giving the woman a hug before bed. The background really has no personality either and doesn't help the mood of the piece.

On the upside, I think the rendering is good. It gives the people volume and depth. The anatomy looks correct, but the poses are too stiff.

Good job.

[Neondevil]

So heres my rough sketch. I felt with the pose he was in he wasn't showing his ruthlessness, but I still kept it and tried to let the background show some personality. I'm not confident enough with my anatomy and perspective to think I could pull off 4 or 5 corpses laying around him. So instead I just focused on the one and put it in an outrageous position. I think it still gives a ruthlessness to him and maybe even a cannibalistic view.

My problems with the sketch have to do with perspective. I think it might have looked better if I had tried to set the zombie further back as well the background. Have it appear almost as a long hallway.

Their is supposed to be a machete in the mouth of the zombie. Going straight back into the cross. I tried to make it seem like the zombie is mostly held up by it. But I couldn't figure how to make it appear that it is some kind of sword with such a straight forward view point. Maybe if I tilt the head upward and have the machete going in a downward motion it could be pulled off.

The object behind the cross is stained glass. I don't know how well that comes across with it being so rough. I think it will look fine with color and crisper lines. I'll have a more extravagant "churchy" background when I put it in photoshop.

I'm going to redline this when I get home but there's some stuff I wanted to say:

First is if you have to explain your drawing in more than a few sentences it has failed. I should be able to infer these ideas directly from the character. It looks now that he just stumbled on the body and was caught by the viewer. If you want the person to look skinned leave a little bit of flesh on him and give him a knife or some other bloody implement.

Also not having the anatomy or the perspective to draw multiple humans isn't so bad except for the fact you've decided to put a skinned man (woman?) on there which is a lot harder to render.

This is what I want you to do. First get some reference. You're going to need reference for a skinned human you can get this at pose maniacs. Then you're going to want a reference for a stained glass window because they are never circular and third for the man himself which I'll take care of for you but do a bunch of studies of all of the above and post them up here.

[uranusgodself]

I am new here and have been approved to learn with you all. I am very excited.
My name is Adrian, I am 23 and I live in Alaska. I am a married musician and a father of two. I currently mainly use a 5h mechanical pencil and embellish with faber castle india ink pens and brush pens, as well as half tone brush pens. I am much more interested in moving most or all of my drawing into the digital medium and I have a wacom tablet on my christmas list. I would love to develop my skills enough to the point where i could comfortably relate stories in comic form. My appreciation for art mainly comes from my love for comic books. Some of my favorites are Chris Bachalo (http://images.google.com/images?q=chris+bachalo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title), John Romita Jr (http://www.comicbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kickass004.jpg), Taiyo Matrumoto (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7656/tekkonkinkreet1ur5.jpg) and Frank Quitely (http://www.strangehorizons.com/reviews/images/quitely_we3_run.jpg). Here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=143409) is a link to my Sketchbook to se some examples of where I am at.


For the current assignment-
My character is a middle-aged accountant. He is married and has two teenage children. He is pretty average in every way, except he doesn't believe any law as an absolute. This applies to everything from the law against parking in a fire lane, to the law of gravity or the law of conservation of mass. The belief that these laws are not unbreakable has given him the power to break them. In other words, he is powerful because he believes he is. He values his family greatly, but he has trouble relating to them. This is characteristic of most of his relationships.

Basic Attributes:
Name: Fence
Gender & Age:Male, 46
Appearance: Balding, aging, middle-class, Caucasian, business dress
Strength & Speed: Average, but waning with age
Dexterity & Stamina: Again, waning with age
Perception & Intelligence: This college graduate is deteriorating from years of doing repetitive tasks in his position as an accountant

Key Personality Traits:
Iconic trait: A disbelief in the physical and social laws of the world allows him to act outside of them.
Habits: He acts out. He rebel is a rebel, but his rebellions generally go unnoticed.
Flaw: He gets away with too much. This makes him reckless. He is somewhat intolerant of people who accept the world too readily.
Fears: His children will grow too comfortable with the world around them.
Desires: To feel alive. To empower those around him by leaving evidence of his power.

Thumbnails coming later today.

[uranusgodself]

Here are my 1st 5 thumbs. I'll drop some more tomorrow.

1- hopping a fence
2- graphiti
3- falling from an impossible height above the city
4- walking sidewalk covered in birds
5- posing near stop sign

[uranusgodself]

I'm looking forward to working with everyone here.

@StrangeLove: Your crucification is strange. Typically the body is hanging. In your picture the arms are down, relaxed. What is supporting the body. Also in most crucification the spikes go through the wrists, not palms. I feel like your main character is sitting on some thing. he should be leaning forward a bit more, maybe. The stain glass could use work. Yours looks like a mosaic made of smooth stones maybe?

@Sigit: I feel like your male should be more imposing. Maybe he could be bigger? Also there might be more dynamism if you move your figures into more differentiated planes. In this example i feel she should be a bit closer (especially her hand and upper body) and he could be a bit farther. If she were to lay down in your picture she wouldn't hit her pillow.

[Neondevil]

Here are my 1st 5 thumbs. I'll drop some more tomorrow.

1- hopping a fence
2- graphiti
3- falling from an impossible height above the city
4- walking sidewalk covered in birds
5- posing near stop sign


Ok stop right there. Having a wacom tablet is fine, I use one myself but nothing truly replaces the tactile feeling of pencil on paper.

I want you to do everything up to your finished sketch on pencil and paper. Ditch the mechanical and get yourself a nice HB and a kneaded eraser ( They're at all art stores they look a lot like silly putty).

Ok as for the thumbnails I really want you to dig deep when I picture I character that defies all laws I picture him walking through walls or walking down the middle of the street with cars swerving to avoid him, possibly presenting a meeting except him and his charts are on the ceiling.

You need to think about everyday situations and how you can flip them around to make them weird. I want to see you really pull out some crazy scenarios in these next thumbnails.

[Vatsel]

New here
looking forward to get better at characters under Neondevil's guidance

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So here's the brief for the 1st assignment

He's a steampunk era Scientist turned cyborg villain.
At first he was hired by the city officials to do a low-pay dangerous scientific job, in which he lost his right side of the body, his self-esteem and credibility, due to the bad safety measures on site.
Now that he turned into a psychopatic (yet brilliant) villian, he wants to wreak havoc in the city (especially to screw the officials) with his complex steampunk machines.

Basic Attributes:
Name: Damian Bershtowsky (he's also an immigrant i guess)
Gender & Age:male, about 30
Appearance: half of his body is a slim and a little taller than usual scientist (with some scars) and the right side are steampunk replacements for his original bodyparts
Strength & Speed: slow, strong on his mechanical side and weak on the other
Dexterity & Stamina: very dexterous on the mechanical side and normal on the other, high stamina on the mechanical side
Perception & Intelligence: very high

Key Personality Traits: Very erratic, vengeful, very clever-though his illness makes him predictable, inventive.
Iconic trait: cyborg
Habits: Planning
Flaw: his human side and his mental illness.
Fears: unsuccessful plans
Desires: To destroy the city/ rule it/ kill all government officials

thumbs coming shortly

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Crits
uranusgodself- keep up the good work
strangelove- I dont really get what's coming out of the zombie's head
his left hand is shorter than the right one.
dont really have tips for you sigit, neondevil already covered it

[Vatsel]

only had the mental strength to do 15
ill do another 5 tomorrow

[Neondevil]

only had the mental strength to do 15
ill do another 5 tomorrow

Ok first off those thumbnails are bad form. None of this cram as much stuff as possible into one page. From now on they will be bigger and don't cram them all into one place.

[StrangeLove]

I just started another job recently, so I'm kind of running thin at the moment, but I should have those studies up in the next few days.

Nice to meet the new guys. Looking forward to seeing your work.

[Vatsel]

Ok first off those thumbnails are bad form. None of this cram as much stuff as possible into one page. From now on they will be bigger and don't cram them all into one place.

okay ill do the next 5 in squares.

[Sigit]

uranusgodself, brewin welcome
Neondevil I think if man's arm aren't that long because the arms never reach the knee right?

[Vatsel]

5 more thumbnails - are they big enough?

sigit I think it's safe to say that you can reach your knee when youre not standing up/lying down (which suits the position of the character). his left arm is shorter than his right arm and his right palm is bigger than his left palm.

Great work with the pieces of cloth.

[Neondevil]

uranusgodself, brewin welcome
Neondevil I think if man's arm aren't that long because the arms never reach the knee right?

The elbows never reach the knee they reach the hips, hands come down to just above the knee if the fingers are down but this varies a bit I'm going by my own body.

Ok I really want you to keep at those cloth studies do another 5 for me and remember there's cloth on the bed too, look at your bed when you're sitting it it.

Now I want you to mess with the faces a bit make the man seem a little angrier and a little more forceful.

We're starting to kill this painting a little bit so I want you to start adding mid tones and highlights and finish this off over the next week, then we'll go to final crit. We'll crit you here and you need to post it up on this site for further scrutiny.

Then we'll start the next one so keep at it.

[Neondevil]

5 more thumbnails - are they big enough?

sigit I think it's safe to say that you can reach your knee when youre not standing up/lying down (which suits the position of the character). his left arm is shorter than his right arm and his right palm is bigger than his left palm.

Great work with the pieces of cloth.

Now we're getting somewhere! They don't have to be all uniform like that for future reference but we're off to a good start.

The one thing is you keep everything so centered try and think in terms of movies and how they frame objects. I posted a tutorial about this earlier in this thread go check it out it'll be good for you.

I also think you should go with #17, it would be interesting to show some sort of giant horrible beast powered by clockwork and steam. The one problem is the framing, off set it a bit, give me some background.

I want a rough sketch out of you for next time.

[Vatsel]

didnt have much time lately, but that will change tomorrow
I still need to draw something in the background
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq245/brewin123/madcyborgscientistwips-1.jpg

is that what youve expected from a rough sketch or should I do more details?

[Neondevil]

didnt have much time lately, but that will change tomorrow
I still need to draw something in the background
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq245/brewin123/madcyborgscientistwips-1.jpg

is that what youve expected from a rough sketch or should I do more details?

The background needs to be in the rough sketch and all the details you would want to put into the final sketch.

Also if you're going to do those types of robots you're going to have to make them look more threatening, my suggestion is look at angry dogs. If it's steampunk you need to start looking at clockwork and smokestacks everything needs to have showing mechanical bits.

[Vatsel]

refined the rough sketch, and added a deserted factory in the bg

[Neondevil]

refined the rough sketch, and added a deserted factory in the bg

No shading yet! Only lines!

A redline is coming but I just realized you're doing this all on a wacom pad. I want you to go out and get yourself a good large sketch book and some pencils, preferably a 2H an HB and a 2B also a kneaded eraser. Your thumbnails/rough sketch/final sketch should be all done on paper with pencil for now

[Neondevil]

Now check out this redline


Edit: I just realized something that could be really cool if his right human arm was cocked up pulling back leashes that were attached to the bots.

[Neondevil]

Just because.

[Vatsel]

first of all thanks for the redline!
I did had a certain mood in mind (which i cant convey well in a rough sketch)
In which his cyber-dogs are not held back and are about to strike the viewer
(maybe then I should paint another cyberdog, which only his right side of the face is seen, on that negative space up left there)
and the madman is standing in a sort of merciless situation, it seems I failed in conveying the scene...
I like that your scene is much more dynamic, and I would love to add that to my piece, but I cant use the redline as my outline right?
so should i do another one completely different?

[Sigit]

Here are my works. But I have problem in creating angry face. I have changed the eyebrow, mouth and some part of the eye but the man look not angry but smiling. Can you help me??
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2525/zoomws1.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4475/assignmentpx2.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7558/drapery4dj1.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4809/drapery3ax7.jpg

[Neondevil]

first of all thanks for the redline!
I did had a certain mood in mind (which i cant convey well in a rough sketch)
In which his cyber-dogs are not held back and are about to strike the viewer
(maybe then I should paint another cyberdog, which only his right side of the face is seen, on that negative space up left there)
and the madman is standing in a sort of merciless situation, it seems I failed in conveying the scene...
I like that your scene is much more dynamic, and I would love to add that to my piece, but I cant use the redline as my outline right?
so should i do another one completely different?

Nope you can't trace my redline but I want you to take it all in mind when you're moving up to the final sketch. That and if you want them to be moving forward and attacking they have to be bent forward and/or pouncing.

[Neondevil]

Go make an angry face in the mirror and see how that works and which muscles are moving and in the meantime start shading the background and use what you learned on those cloth studies to put to use on the characters clothes.

They still need to cast a shadow.

Let me see that in a couple days.

[Sigit]

My update
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9159/tempwb7.jpg

[Neondevil]

My update
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9159/tempwb7.jpg

Remember when we did that chart of facial expressions? I want you to go back and look at that and I also want you to look angry and check in the mirror. Right now the guy looks like some sort of gentle lover and the girl still just looks disinterested. This needs to be fixed immediately before any of this can continue.

That and the guy isn't even looking at the girl he's staring off into space. I want you to review your character sheet and ask yourself is this really what I've described?

I also want to see some highlights in the clothing and is that thing in the corner a light source?

Have this done within the week.

[Neondevil]

Also Sigit you have homework.


I want this page copied and copied in color.

http://www.drlevy.net/images/face3.jpg

[Sigit]

you want me to copy that in photoshop??

[Neondevil]

you want me to copy that in photoshop??

However you want to do it as long as you use color.

[Sigit]

Sorry for not posting for a while because I'm sick. I'll post the rest of the assignment soon.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2537/facevh3.jpg

[Neondevil]

Sorry for not posting for a while because I'm sick. I'll post the rest of the assignment soon.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2537/facevh3.jpg

My first thought is why do you have him smirking? Fix the mouth and his face is too squished at the bottom.

[Sigit]

My update
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/5195/faceff1.jpg
About the assignment, I think I'll change the pose to this pose. What do you think NeonDevil?

[Neondevil]

My update
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/5195/faceff1.jpg
About the assignment, I think I'll change the pose to this pose. What do you think NeonDevil?

The face assignment is good check that off and before you even start to change this I want you to pose the poses you've taken for reference for this. Then I want you to look at them and then back at your drawing and remember long deliberate lines not quick and sketchy.

[Sigit]

My update. The man face and the girl
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8578/faceev3.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/599/tempum5.jpg

[Neondevil]

My update. The man face and the girl
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8578/faceev3.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/599/tempum5.jpg

Fantastic. Now my next thought is with that face his arms don't look threatening at all. Bring them up and make the palms towards the girl like he's about to lunge.

Now from the shading on the faces I'm assuming you're going for a light from the top of the ceiling? I want you to think about how this translates to the clothes especially the woman's side and breasts. Also her hair still has a straw quality to it. You need to shape the sides with some darks. Remember don't think of hair as individual strands but think of it as layers.


We're starting to beat a dead horse with this image. I want you to finish it in the next week and begin on a new character.

[Sigit]

My update

[Neondevil]

Ok this drawing is now done. Put it away we need to move on.



For next week (2/21) you're going to do this homework:

1) Sketch out these skeleton studies:
http://anita64.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/mlf-skeleton-pd-05-kj002.jpg
http://www.lessontutor.com/skeleton_blank9.gif
http://www.shelfieldpeonline.co.uk/assets/images/skeleton322332.jpg


2) Get an apple and an orange from around your house, I want you to put a solid light source on each (like a desk lamp) so it has a good shadow. I want you to then draw each of them 2 times, each time with a different light source.

[Sigit]

My work
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3816/49389407.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9175/54733192.jpghttp://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7141/23714576.jpghttp://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7423/36597666.jpghttp://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6030/12127523.jpghttp://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7454/47975459.jpghttp://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3271/71365731.jpg[/IMG[IMG]http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9773/70203867.jpghttp://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3271/71365731.jpghttp://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9773/70203867.jpg

[Neondevil]

First thing is, fruit doesn't have outlines, I want to see more variation in the shadows. Use the techniques you used on the sphere and remember nothing has that much white space, white is reserved only for highlights.


Next homework. DUE IN ONE WEEK


Draw these:

http://www.diamondsnews.com/images/diamonds_skull.jpg

http://www.sixside.com/img/skull.jpg

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/human_skull_side.jpg

http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/Notes/images/skmus/VesaliusSkeleton.jpg

-Draw 3 pieces of fruit while keeping the critiques for the last ones in mind. I want to see marked improvement.

[darkops]

hi Neondevil
you got a really motivated person here...sigit......... nice work man
it look like everyone else died out from the work you had given them...reminds me of college somehow. But that's not the case i wanted to know if i can join sigit in the quest to becoming a better artist... and hopefully i don't die out, only time will tell.

mights as well start with Assignment 0
ok, my name is josh a 18 year old human being, l like drawing with pen or pencil, one of my most ultimate goal is to become a concept art... i know i know everyone wants the skill and not the hard work. But anyway i don't have a favorite artist yet...

[Kleveland]

Hey neondevil

My names Jeremy, i am currently going to school for game arts and design, but i drastically need help with my anatomy work. I use many different mediums, graphite pencils, colored pencils, acrylic paints on canvas and paper, pastels, and digital with photoshop.

I am extremely motivated to bring my skill level in this area up to where i think it should be. Anyways i am 22 years old. I love in the los angeles area. I have some art work that i have done. Here is the link.
http://kleveland.deviantart.com/gallery/

and i have no problems starting from the beggining.

[Neondevil]

hi Neondevil
you got a really motivated person here...sigit......... nice work man
it look like everyone else died out from the work you had given them...reminds me of college somehow. But that's not the case i wanted to know if i can join sigit in the quest to becoming a better artist... and hopefully i don't die out, only time will tell.

mights as well start with Assignment 0
ok, my name is josh a 18 year old human being, l like drawing with pen or pencil, one of my most ultimate goal is to become a concept art... i know i know everyone wants the skill and not the hard work. But anyway i don't have a favorite artist yet...

Read the rest of the thread then I want you to do the 2 latest assignments. After their done then you can start getting critiqued.



Hey neondevil

My names Jeremy, i am currently going to school for game arts and design, but i drastically need help with my anatomy work. I use many different mediums, graphite pencils, colored pencils, acrylic paints on canvas and paper, pastels, and digital with photoshop.

I am extremely motivated to bring my skill level in this area up to where i think it should be. Anyways i am 22 years old. I love in the los angeles area. I have some art work that i have done. Here is the link.
http://kleveland.deviantart.com/gallery/

and i have no problems starting from the beggining.

This goes for you too.

[Sigit]

Kleveland welcome
darkops thanks


http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4831/004l.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4649/003ech.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8865/002xct.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1165/001efh.jpg

[Neondevil]

That's a definite improvement but there are some things.


The skeleton is too wide and the head looks like you didn't put very much time into it.

The hatching on the skulls is sloppy. Always pick up the pencil when you make your shading lines and always try and make them match the curve of the surface you're working with not just straight lines.

Shadows are not just flat black. I want you to look harder at them.

Ok next homework:

-Fix the skeleton.

-This next still life I want you to take 3 pieces of fruit and compose them on top of a cloth, ruffle it up. I want to see 3 attempts each from different angles of the SAME still life.

Then draw these:

http://jaguar.eb.com/mw/art/med/skeleton.gif

http://www.myloupe.com/disp_thumb_images/1582/display/221957.jpg

http://adv.alsscan.com/alsangels/ewu7n/w89w/alstgpsample05.jpg

http://adv.alsscan.com/alsangels/ewu7n/w89w/alstgpsample10.jpg

-Take 3 pieces

[Sigit]

I'm sorry for posting my work too late

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/675/006fvl.jpghttp://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7034/006h.jpghttp://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9411/004lrf.jpghttp://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1376/005c.jpghttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/379/003gdj.jpghttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8982/001awz.jpghttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6789/002tms.jpg