[NUDITY WARNING](update of actual stuff 7/25)

[winjer]

Ill be dumping all of my life drawing in here. please give some advice on what i can do to get better. Updates should be every week.

These are four of my better drawings so far. Each is less than 25 minutes.

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/1.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/2.jpg


http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/3.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/4.jpg


And this is a master copy

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/holbeincopy.jpg

critiques plz

more to come later...

[winjer]

they were done in mike burbans class at the league. I havent gotten him to look at my stuff yet, keep running out of time.

[dns2k]

nice pictures... all i can see is a couple proportional and foreshortening issues... but we all have those. good work and keep posting.

-dns

[winjer]

best crit ever. thanks ill keep it all in mind.

[winjer]

Heres some very short gestures and a 25 minute one. I hate charcoal is what i learned from these.

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/5.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/6.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/7.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/8.jpg

[TheYellowDart]

See if you can break your drawings down into more shapes. The shapes that you have seem to lack the "locked together" feel. They're very very clean drawings though and that is good. Also, maybe try to vary your line weight. They have a cartoony look to them with the same line weight everywhere. Not that that's bad, it's just the way it happens to be. Anyway, keep up the good work! Pce.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/9.jpg

This took way too long. I think 4 hours. Spent most of that getting the proportions and angles right. Didnt even get to the head and other arm.

[amphex]

RED Xs!
Bah!

[winjer]

should work now. im hosting this stuff off my home comp so it might go down once in a while. :rolleyes:

[winjer]

Had something of a bad week til wednesday. Couldnt get anything right and then my whole style / approach changed. Ill post the new style stuff next week when i finish up that pad.

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/10.jpg http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/11.jpg

[tinyhands]

I think for where it looks like your at, you shouldn't just ignore the heads on the figures. start with the head and work your way down the figure, and make sure everything else is in realationship to that head. That might help with your proportions. I think as far as your shadows go, don't add them on until the figure itself is solidly constructed and proportiional. The figure is the foundation, and shadows don't mean anything on top of a weak foundation. Shadows are the fun stuff, but see if you can hold back on them. then once you do shadows, you need to consider edges. On all the figures you posted so far, all the edges seems really cut out and don't act accordingly to the anatomy underneath the shadows. Really pay close attention to those edges. It either has to be hard, firm, soft or lost. Edges are easily the hardest thing in drawing and painting, so don't worry so much, but know they are very important. Hope that helps a little.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/14.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/12.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/13.jpg

Trying to make them feel more solid like you all said. Gonna be upping my drawing time to 10 hours a day soon. More stuff then, Keep the crits coming they really help.

[tinyhands]

Watch out for those blue lines that iffy did over your drawing. Those lines aren't going with the form. None of the back muscles go straight down like that. So just be carefull what you take from that. On your last post it looks like your having a hard time with anatomy. So the best thing to do about that is, is to not think about it. Until you go and get the antomical knowledge from books and studying anatomy all by itself, your gonna have to be a slave to what you see. So just draw what you see and don't worry about all the muscles, just look for shapes. And like i said before, it would probably be best to stay away from tone altogether until you can keep proportion and structure consistent.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/15.jpg

Teacher showed me a quick way to indicate in the features. It looks sort of like a man though.

[Elwell]

Now we're getting somewhere! These last few are a dramatic improvement in terms of structure.

The reason that last one looks like a man is less a matter of the face than the proportions. The shoulders are much too broad , the waist is too low, and the hips too narrow. It's like you've superimposed the idealised wedge-shaped male body type on a female. Looking back over your earlier pieces it looks like you tend to do this pretty consistently, so be carefull.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/16.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/17.jpg
Worked on proportions and simpler forms this week.

[dns2k]

nice drawings and i can see you looking for the simple shapes like tiny hands mentioned you might want to pick up the bridgman book on constuctive anatomy and life drawing (each like 10 bucks on amazon) to understand what creates the shapes you are drawing. you have made great improvements on your drawings. good job

-dns

[winjer]

whoa dns2k your birthday is right before mine.

/end useless post/

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/18.jpg

4 hour thing. Mr Bridgman helped me out.

[dbclemons]

These are all very interesting, winjer. Keep at it. I like the contour style you're producing, and you have an obvious desire to emphasize and simplify the shapes you draw. I see problems with spacial relationships, however. I would recommend doing exercises that concentrate on that alone, and not trying to finish things too soon. Don't let your style get in the way of accuracy.

-David

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/19.jpg

I dont hate charcoal now.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/20.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/21.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/22.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/23.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/24.jpg


Heres some more. Tell me what you think.

[Lev_0]

Hey, I think you've improved a lot, gj.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/25.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/26.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/27.jpg

Did some bone studies. Anyone with more experience know if its normal for like 80% of my life drawings to look like crap. I cant get them to all be good.

[winjer]

heres some more fun drawings of naked people if anyones still reading this.



http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/28.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/29.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/30.jpg

[MadSamoan]

Hey man, you're improving alot. Keep up the good work.

[Pencil Soldier]

You have a very intresting style.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/31.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/32.jpg

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/33.jpg

Last one is my dad.

[FabianV]

:(

Art is my life.
And here I find you group of people that have the wonderful oppurtunity to draw in life study classes :P

As for me , I draw out of my head through studying anatomy out of the textbook? Is that bad?

I know life drawing teaches you faster but I just dont have the money or the time to do that.. and im stuck on digital drawings too.. is that bad?

I dont know..

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/34.jpg


just keeping the thread alive! Crits if you got any. pls pls

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/35.jpg

[PeggyChung]

hey winjer, keep it up, your stuff is progressing nicely!


Originally posted by FabianV
:(

Art is my life.
And here I find you group of people that have the wonderful oppurtunity to draw in life study classes :P

As for me , I draw out of my head through studying anatomy out of the textbook? Is that bad?

I know life drawing teaches you faster but I just dont have the money or the time to do that.. and im stuck on digital drawings too.. is that bad?

I dont know..

well you dont absolutely need a life drawing class, you could study people on the streets or in a cafe etc. theres always other ways, that is all i can think of for now.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/36.jpg

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/37.jpg

2 minute poses.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/2min.jpg
2 minutes

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/38.jpg
40

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/39.jpg

[::EPIC::]

hey winjer keep it up, looks great!

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/40.jpg

theres more to the pic but i cant fit it in my scanner.

[GriNGo]

Originally posted by FabianV
I know life drawing teaches you faster but I just dont have the money or the time to do that.. and im stuck on digital drawings too.. is that bad?

Money will be the least of your problems with that attitude. You'll need time and good will to be good. And digital drawings isnt bad at all, in fact, I would kill to get my hands on a wacom tablet :cool: and start doing digital stuff. traditional media is dirtier too, but at the end it helps you alot more in the transition to digital media, then by starting digital from the beginning. In my case, i havent even posted an image before (except for a mouse painting i did) cause i dont have a scanner or a camera to help me out and have critique but anyway i still post cause the guys/gals involved with conceptart.org are very damn helpful and inspirational.

as lady lioness said, if you are SO interested in going traditional, get some paper and a pencil (or pen for the matter!) and start drawing everythig you see. people, animals, objects, anything! and do it daily if you can. its not that hard, yu just need to be dedicated.

good luck man!

and winjer, you KICK ASS! what are you studying and where?

Later,
GriNGoLoCo

[winjer]

I study here: http://www.theartstudentsleague.org/

I just read tutorials and things on this site and try em out in life drawing classes. Not really working towards a degree or anything.

[dadamafia]

i have only been visiting this site for a couple days and it seems i cannot come off. i see everyone's work progress over time and you have been an excellent example of this. you have significantly improved the structural aspect of your work and just seeing how u have improved makes me wanna run to buy a digital camera so i can post my stuff 2. keep it up, GOOD JOB. :chug:

[fukifino]

Wow winjer, these are really showing leaps in improvement every time. Keep it up!!! :D

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/41.jpg http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/42.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/43.jpg http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/44.jpg http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/45.jpg http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/46.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/47.jpg

looks like my proportions are getting worse? anyway thx for the comments i like to hear that someone likes these things.

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/48.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/49.jpghttp://winjer.kicks-ass.net/50.jpg

I think im getting worse. I blame Sylkx. Also these are in pen. Thats added skillfullness i think.

[Diego]

shit boy, yer improving like hell. what's the secret? :beer:
I'm pretty sure you're boosting your arse to get that drawings....jeje. It's great to see it boy.
cheers

-Diego

[winjer]

the secret is to not have a life/friends/girlfriend. Also draw all the time.

[SylkX]

hehe there is no secret, it just constant practice which winjer gets a lot of. I'm following the same path with 10-12 hours of figure drawing a day for the rest of the summer.

[Diego]

jeje....i think i could fit in that description, but i can't.
i think having friends/girlfriend isn't a obstacle to be a good or great artist....just my opinion.
Keep it up

-Diego

[Judy Warner]

Your line is looking so much stronger and clearer on these last drawings. Can't see where you're getting worse:D Judy

[AnarchyAo2]

Jesus! See, this is why I wanna go to college and take these type of classes. Man, your shading has become a lot better and your lineart has become a lot smoother (And I'm assuming its more accurate too). Your drawing look so solid.

[winjer]

Anarchy i dont go to college at all. I start in september at sva but theyre being assholes and making me take lots of bs even though i transferred a bunch of credits. Just going to life drawing is probably better than college and an order of magnitude less expensive.

[Stupid Robot]

These last few posts are showing a lot of improvement in form and proportions as opposed to your earlier posts.

It's nice to see the construction of the base shapes in these sketches as opposed to your first posts that look like you tried to go for a completed drawing from the start.

So many people want to skip right to a final product without starting with construction of the main form.

Why do you think instructors makes you do all of those one minute gestures?;)

:chug:

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/51.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/52.jpg

one day ill start drawing in heads but not yet. 5 points if you can guess what the first one is supposed to be

[jetpack42]

Hey man, you've got some good studies here. Seems you are patient with your drawings, which is a good thing. Sometimes your anatomy seems generalized, as in, you draw what you think the muscle looks like, rather then what you are seeing. I get that feeling from the graphic nature of some of your shapes. Also, I think the softer shadows look better. When you get real harsh with them, they abstract somewhat. I like when you've softened the shadows some, as in this one

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/47.jpg

Not to say harsh lighting isnt good, its definitely more ideal for mood, but you gotta soften and blend it some to make it look more natural, and less graphic. Hope this helps...lets both keep doing!

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/untitled.jpg


OMG I FORGOT HOW TO DRAW BREASTICES

[SylkX]

<fanboy>omg your genius has blown my mind, never stop posting.</fanboy>

[bizarre]

hey man... you feeling okay? last i saw you you were rubbing peanut butter into your left ear and jelly in your right...

[winjer]

OMG I CANT DRAW It STOPPED WORKING. HOW WILL I GET MY SKILLZ BACK NOW?
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/53.jpg

[bizarre]

tsk tsk...

[SylkX]

soiled pants. crap.

[winjer]

I HIT MY HEAD ON THE WAY TO SCHOOL AND NOW ITS GONE> ALL THE MAGIC IS GOEN. WHY GOD WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?

[pandawhipped]

¿did you get haXX0red?

[winjer]

SADLY NO> :****((((((

[sic1]

LIES!

winjer-> post more!

[winjer]

http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/54.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/55.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/56.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/57.jpg
http://winjer.kicks-ass.net/58.jpg


:hothead: SUPER SAIYAN!!!