Several people shot at Northern Illinois University [Archive]

Presence

February 14th, 2008, 05:28 PM

smugbug

February 14th, 2008, 05:39 PM

Jabo

February 14th, 2008, 05:41 PM

Well, but nevertheless, Presence is right. No gunfights without guns. Simple equation.

crimsoneye

February 14th, 2008, 05:43 PM

Ya, it more like 15 ppl were shot. The event unfolded as I was exiting out of my last class of the day.

Grief

February 14th, 2008, 05:51 PM

well there goes my valentine's pick-up line: "girl you must be a public school 'cause i want to shoot up inside you"

...i sure hope hell is warm enough for me.

smugbug

February 14th, 2008, 05:55 PM

Well, but nevertheless, Presence is right. No gunfights without guns. Simple equation.

The state of Illinois has some of the strictest gun control in the country.

However all that, my condolence to the victims and their family of this tragedy.

Presence

February 14th, 2008, 06:12 PM

Hi. I'm a progressive, vote Democrat AND both members of my household own guns. Yes, we're gun owners.

So thanks for using such generalizations to describe EVERY single gun owner in this country.

This is the problem with gun owners, this individualized ideology around the SAME object designed TO KILL. It doesn't make a difference if you have a different perspective on the issue, the fact remains you are in possession of something that could take a life, and guess what, despite supposed "liberties" and "rights" you should not be allowed, in any way, to lock and load something that could potentially kill a child, animal or in the case innocent university students.

Grief

February 14th, 2008, 06:27 PM

here i was thinking my post was going to be the most offensive to the dire subject matter... but y'know the change of topic to politics takes the prize.

do we always have to whip our dicks out about who knows whats best? i dunno, maybe its just some fucked up way you assholes deal with tragedy to act as though your advice would absolve the world of its problems.

did a gun walk into the school and fire itself? no.
leave all the bullshit about gun control in another thread, nothing will be solved by arguing politics here.

and patricia... everyone in oregon has a gun. ive seen kids with gunracks on their bikes. we live in another culture i guess.

Presence

February 14th, 2008, 06:40 PM

Grief if you really take a look at politics it usually is tragedy that brings them into question.

did a gun walk into the school and fire itself? no.

You're right, it was a human being who pulled the trigger and that's the problem; the one thing that can not be controlled, the human element. Which is why that kid should have never been allowed to walk into the university ARMED! Unless you can guarantee a 0% fatality on a civic level, no civilian should be allowed a gun. Then none of us would have had to have read the story.

aesir

February 14th, 2008, 06:40 PM

This is the problem with gun owners, this individualized ideology around the SAME object designed TO KILL. It doesn't make a difference if you have a different perspective on the issue, the fact remains you are in possession of something that could take a life, and guess what, despite supposed "liberties" and "rights" you should not be allowed, in any way, to lock and load something that could potentially kill a child, animal or in the case innocent university students.

Guess what, every single person can kill someone bare handed. lets lock ourselves up.

Also, any kid that can get a hold of a gun and learn how to use one, can also download some recipes off the net to make bombs, or gasses that kill even more people.

Gun control is not the issue. The issue is that there is a new trend among today's youth to shoot up schools. This didnt happen until recently and guns have been around a long time.

Nam

February 14th, 2008, 06:58 PM

Presence

February 14th, 2008, 07:05 PM

Guess what, every single person can kill someone bare handed. lets lock ourselves up. ughhh, this is a little apples to oranges, but I'll humor you, the difference is that if someone came at you bare handed...actually no, I'm not going to humor this.

Besides, those of you saying 'no guns' for the public obviously haven't had your houses broken into before. Were there no gun laws, a criminal could still easily score a gun off the black market while I am left to defend myself with... what? A spoon? A kitchen knife? Wait for the police?I have delt with a home invasion and I still see this as a fear driven mentality, Nam you also need to look up the percentage of armed home invasions to non, I think you'll be fairly surprised.

This is a tragedy, but you're just slapping a band aid on a much bigger root problem. There's a bigger root problem than public gun supply?

aesir

February 14th, 2008, 07:09 PM

dont go cherry picking my silly points and ignoring my good ones!

Costau D

February 14th, 2008, 07:10 PM

Guns do make it easy for one person to kill many unarmed people at once.

But, if only authority/the government had access to weapons I would still feel a little paranoid. As unprobable as it may sound it is still something to think about. Ofcourse, many european countries have gun laws and restrictions, and they seem to work... So who am I to argue.

What doesnt make sense to me. Is why are people in this country allowed to have semi automatics, automatics, and not to mention hand guns in general. Only one gun at LEAST should probably be allowed. And, it cant be concealable. That is one that is only allowed to load ONE bullet at a time.

But, then you have bows and arrows, knives, stun guns, bats, chains, handmade bombs from house hold chemicals. If someone is determined enough, they will find a way. The main problem is the united states itself, not just the weapons. It's a social epidemic, and many other problems combined. We are basically a violent country. Hell, I oddly live in an appartment complex in Tampa Florida, with two armed security guards walking the premises. What's even more funny is we got a letter that these guards arent here to serve US, but to keep watch of the overall premises. They even wear bullet proof vests.

How fucked up is that?

Suburban neighborhoods with gates and "protection". A lot of people are paranoid in this country, pretty bitter and cynical. Not much love to go around... You get a sense that others dont trust others. And, not very many people are very charitable, or homely. Noone cares about anyone else, and most just act like they do. This country has a huge ego problem. And, thats the way I honestly feel. It's all so very sad. People are rediculed, people are judgemental, and it seems very condensed in this country. I'm not trying to offend anyone here, and I'm not saying everyone in america are like this. But, thats just the way it feels.

lol i'm usually not so depressing. Sorry to bum anyone out, and I hope I'm wrong. This subject has been debated quite a bit. More so ever since columbine. And it looks like those kids were right. They started an epidemic.

I dont hate anyone anymore who do this stuff. I just feel sorry for them, but I dont feel sympathy for the perosn causing the pain.

This country is going through a humbling time. Hopefully we will get our shit straight.

Why do you think the entertainment industry is SO big here? I mean billions of dollars just go into it. Sounds like escapism to me. I almost feel bad for wanting to be in it.

Flake

February 14th, 2008, 07:23 PM

The main problem is the united states itself, not just the weapons.

Quite possibly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1566715.stm

Yeah, it's an old article but those cats are knee deep in assault rifles and no-one really uses them..

Edit: Anyway, this is probably not the thread to discuss this so I'll shut it now.

Sorry for anyone affected by this latest craziness..

Nam

February 14th, 2008, 07:26 PM

There's a bigger root problem than public gun supply?

Um... yes.. like why this guy and so many kids decide to get guns in the first place to shoot up fucking schools? Like why this sort of thing got so popular here? Like why each one of these incidents gets an orgiastic response from the media that probably only spurs more of these miserable, bullied kids to stage a notorious grand finale.

sicko

February 14th, 2008, 09:25 PM

wow, I'm glad to see there are many rational people here. Hospitals KILL many more people that guns, even wars do. before you start talking about taking away guns, find a way to stop the unnecessary deaths that happen in hospitals all the freaking time. Its a much bigger tragedy than guns will ever be. its also a big part of the reason that our health care system is so screwed up right now - insurance that pays for these worthless "care givers"

my heart goes out to the families of the victims in this tragedy.

Barts

February 14th, 2008, 09:47 PM

god a kid could fuking walk into his school
with a god damn fork and still kill kids, guns
dont kill people, people do,

John_Bivens

February 14th, 2008, 09:52 PM

My thoughts go out to those of you in the area, I know there are some.

Thanks for that, I just graduated from there in August and was actually up there visiting my gf when it happened. Thankfully neither she nor any of my other friends were involved, but there was quite a panic trying to confirm everyone we knew was ok (along those lines... in an emergency cell phones suck and the ability to IM rocks).

Swan

February 14th, 2008, 10:05 PM

My sincerest condolences to the victims of this terribly tragedy, their families, friends and everyone touched by this. These things tend to have ripples that reach well beyond the obvious spheres of influence.

*sigh*

John_Bivens

February 14th, 2008, 10:18 PM

Just typed this up on Whitechapel and felt the need to cross-post it:

Just graduated from NIU, and was actually up there not 2 hours ago, during the whole shooting thing. Thankfully my GF who still goes there and all my friends are safe and were no where near the scene. I learned a couple of things tonight (1) like many other schools before it, my alma mater is now going to be principally known for having a shooting occur there (it was only slightly known before for giving us Bill Cosby and the guy who does the voice of Homer Simpson) and (2) I truly hate the media in this country. The minute I heard this happen I'm searching the area news for any reports on this I could find... with in the span fo three sentences I hear from the anchor covering the story "remain calm", "campus is secured" and "valentines day massacre". The first two phrases are fine, and seem like the sensible thing to put out there to make already worried families feel a little bit better, but why the fuck follow up with "valentines day massacre" (at this point no one was reported dead by the way). Then at a later news conference held by the police, someone asked "what could have been done to prevent this?" The simple answer is, not a god damn thing. There are seriously screwed up people in this world who are fucked in the brain beyond imagining. They are in the minority (hopefully), but they are going to do stupid things that will harm people and themselves. They will find ways to do this harm no matter what laws or safe-guards are put in place. No laws, devices or cameras could have saved the people in that auditorium this afternoon, and we can only be thankful that the NIU police acted as quickly as they did. I feel in asking that question, that reporter is trying to place blame in other places when it rightfully only belongs to the shooter.

DanielC

February 14th, 2008, 10:36 PM

And why universities ?!
Another good example that education is severly lacking in this country...

John_Bivens

February 14th, 2008, 10:38 PM

And why universities ?!
Another good example that education is severly lacking in this country...

Actually, it was reported that the shooter didn't even attend school at NIU.

Edit: It is now said that he doesn't attend there anymore, he was a former graduate student (though I don't think we can really blame the education system for a jack ass being screwed in the head, that is just trying to place blame somewhere else again)

DanielC

February 14th, 2008, 10:45 PM

Which solidifies my point...

daestwen

February 14th, 2008, 11:29 PM

um... just to put my two canadian cents in on this...

We don't ban guns, but it's a really strict registration policy, and let me tell you. People still die.

It really has nothing to do with the legalized weapons. Very few of the guns that kill people are those that were bought and registered legally, at least here. There's enough of a black market to ensure that people die anyway.

DanielC

February 14th, 2008, 11:54 PM

huh ?!
Well, a jackass becomes a jackass because of the environment he grew up in. Unless there's an official document stating that he is mentally ill or has a handicap which would take over his conscious and subsonscious, there is good reason to look for a reason. Especially when it involves such events. Cataloging, and therefore ignoring, is certainly not going to help.

Interceptor

February 14th, 2008, 11:59 PM

I used to stick up for the right for people to bare firearms.. this is a bit too much though. it seems like every day there's more news on a new school shooting. I'm with Presence, they should definately be banned, IMO.

seba_boi

February 15th, 2008, 12:08 AM

This is getting insane... There was almost a shooting in the University Of British Columbia last week but was foiled early enough to prevent a tragedy from happening...

xisco cabrer

February 15th, 2008, 12:45 AM

in spain is also dying people of gunshots, very little number of victims compared to another countries, but increasing for the last months, the most part of these are illegal weapons or an illegal use of a weapon belonging to another person, and the other deaths are accidents, etc... people has not enough responsibility to have guns. I'm sure if weapons were legal here, the number of victims will be very different. Of course there are other ways to kill people, but the easiest way is to pull the trigger of a gun.

AlexC

February 15th, 2008, 01:14 AM

/agree with PatriciaS.

Other countries have guns just like us... other countries have way less gun crime. Has to do with our society, not that people can get guns. Besides, those of you saying 'no guns' for the public obviously haven't had your houses broken into before. Were there no gun laws, a criminal could still easily score a gun off the black market while I am left to defend myself with... what? A spoon? A kitchen knife? Wait for the police?

This is a tragedy, but you're just slapping a band aid on a much bigger root problem.

you see, that is complete bullshit, people don't deserve the right to have a weapon that can kill some one with such ease. If you think that other countries have as many guns as Americans do you are obviously mistaken.
If you are worried about your house being broken into then get better security.

wow, I'm glad to see there are many rational people here. Hospitals KILL many more people that guns, even wars do. before you start talking about taking away guns, find a way to stop the unnecessary deaths that happen in hospitals all the freaking time. Its a much bigger tragedy than guns will ever be. its also a big part of the reason that our health care system is so screwed up right now - insurance that pays for these worthless "care givers"

my heart goes out to the families of the victims in this tragedy.

seems you like Michael Moore's films a lot

Matsign

February 15th, 2008, 02:06 AM

The Queer Thing About School Shooters" (http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-1/)

In every school shooting, boys targeted girls who rejected them, boys who called them gay or otherwise belittled them, and other students at the top of the school’s hierarchy–white, wealthy, and athletic–and then shot down other students in an effort to reinstate their injured masculinity.

…Boys are taught to believe that sexual interest from a girl is imperative to affirm their manhood. When boys are rejected by girls, it can bring up fears that they are not perceived by others as strong and powerful and can cause many to doubt their masculinity and heterosexuality. Headlines about Cho confirmed he struggled with these same concerns about his manhood.

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“The word ‘faggot’ has nothing to do with homosexual experiences or even fears of homosexuals,” writes David Leverenz (1986). “It comes out of the depths of manhood; a label of ultimate contempt for anyone who seems sissy, untough, uncool.”

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In our efforts to suppress or overcome those fears, the dominant culture exacts a tremendous price from those deemed less than fully manly: wome, gay men, nonnative-born men, men of color. This perspective may help clarify a paradox in men’s lives, a paradox in which men have virtually all the power and yet do not feel powerful.

Manhood is equated with power —over women, over other men.

… Why, then, do American men feel so powerless? Part of the answer is because we’ve constructed the rules of manhood so that only the tiniest fraction of men come to believe they are the biggest of wheels, the sturdiest of oaks, the most virulent repudiators of femininity, the most daring and aggressive. We’ve managed to disempower the overwhelming majority of American men by other means — such as discriminating on the basis of race, class, ethnicity, age, sexual preference.

Guns are not the issue.

Maria David

February 15th, 2008, 02:15 AM

Not again. That is the most stupid thing ever, to shoot at school. Nothing comes from it.

Barts

February 15th, 2008, 03:11 AM

if your gunna ban guns you may aswell ban everything else
that can be used to kill someone.

0kelvin

February 15th, 2008, 03:22 AM

The Queer Thing About School Shooters" (http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-1/)

Guns are not the issue.

Neither is that. Men have been feeling inadequate forever. Only one person gets to be alpha male and everyone else gets shit on by the guy next up the ladder. It's not pretty and it may not be the way things ought to be, but hundreds of millions deal with it without shooting a single person.

The primary cause of school shootings is school shootings. They're a fad. There have been guns and schools and unbalanced, disaffected losers around for over a century, yet school shootings were few and far between until relatively recently. Columbine and the media surrounding it turned school shootings into an icon, and like a parade of Hot Topic goths, every shooting since then has fit the same unimaginative mold. Like any fad, it's going to hit a saturation point and yet another school shooting isn't going to be much of a statement anymore. As That fat kid said, it seems like it's already happening. That's the beginning of the end of school shootings.

Eric

Matsign

February 15th, 2008, 04:31 AM

Good point Eric. I'd like to rephrase that guns and bashing are issues, but not direct causes that we can isolate. I don't see this fad withering away. I fear the general public will become less shocked but the shootings will continue. The shooter will still get his or her name and intentions into the media and kill who they want. People will fail to respond.

Nrx

February 15th, 2008, 05:08 AM

if your gunna ban guns you may aswell ban everything else
that can be used to kill someone.

please, theirs a big differnce on alot of levels between shooting somone and beating/stabbing/slashing somone to death

Lukias

February 15th, 2008, 07:59 AM

In New Zealand you require a permit to own a gun. If I wanted I could go through the procedure, get a permit and buy myself one.
Question is... why?.... and why the hell do so many yanks feel the need to own guns?.
It boogles my f'ing mind why so many of you defend your stupid rights to own super efficient killing tools.
If you can't find the link between mass gun onwership and rediculously high shooting stats then you are well within your rights to be shot by your equally retarded neighbour.

Joshua Fountain

February 15th, 2008, 10:33 AM

Please hear me out.

The reason the second ammendment is this:

When the USA was first constructed as a nation, it was believed that the power should lie with the people. Because people, as a whole, are believed to be good.

The Second Amendment was enstated so citizens could bare arms. Citizens have the power. It was enstated to protect the people from their own government. If you don't believe me:

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

"To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee

"Who are the militia? They consist of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason

Micaiah Nelson

February 15th, 2008, 10:43 AM

The second ammendment is also the most missundertood of the bill or rights!

rustikof

February 15th, 2008, 10:53 AM

Guns on a public level should be completely banned. It isn't the wild west or open frontier anymore, if you are not a cop or military you shouldn't be allowed near a gun.

Period.

I just don't understand the tolerance level for this kind of shit, if you are in possession of an object specifically designed to take life you should be facing fines that will take the rest of YOUR life to pay off.

Just because we're out of diapers doesn't mean we're not children who need strict rules to abide by.

i totally agree with this, there's no reason anyone should have guns. But I think it should extend to all aspects of society, public, federal, military, etc. I personally think everyone should have swords instead...atleast with a sword, you are making a concious decision to slice someones head off. guns go off randomly all the time and kill people without any intent of actually doing so.

haha i know that sounds goofy but killing has become such a disconnected thing in society because of guns, it makes such a horrible atrocity commonplace.

ALSO, i think chris rock had it right---sell guns, but make bullets 1,000,000$ a piece.

squidmonk3j

February 15th, 2008, 11:05 AM

less guns, less killing by guns. the math is simple, the politics are not.

my condolences to those involved.

s.ketch

February 15th, 2008, 11:06 AM

yeah, because everyone follows laws and would hand in their guns as soon as the law would pass.

Slash

February 15th, 2008, 11:20 AM

This is a tragedy. And the ever-so-predictable gun control discussion that follows isn't gonna help stop another tragedy like this.

I think it would be a lot more helpful if all of you made an effort to be friendly to people, give someone a smile, don't make fun of the fat kid or the kid with the stutter etc etc. Even if you have a bad day, don't take it out on anyone else. I think if more people adopted a mentality like that it would help avoid more shootings than throwing opinions about guns at each other.

Costau D

February 15th, 2008, 11:27 AM

purplerose

February 15th, 2008, 11:35 AM

This is really disturbing and pathetic.... what happened to plain old-fashioned murder, by killing the person (or persons) who pissed you off (or just yourself if you feel that miserable)? Why bring other people into your mess/problems? Why make others suffer so much?

Costau D

February 15th, 2008, 11:39 AM

whether you kill a lot of people, murder someone, or murder yourself your not doing anyone a favor...

JessiBean

February 15th, 2008, 11:40 AM

I'm going to second Slash... societally we're encouraged to be superficial and belittle others, if we fought these prejudices (which are very much alive, if we were all honest about ourselves) and we conscious and took ownership of our actions, change could be affected. Be a little nice to your neighbors.

Also... the media circus disgusts me. Nothing hits CNN and replays for hours on end like a sensational killing, like this or the one at Virginia Tech, or the Jena 6 mess, etc. etc. etc. We buy into it, and we encourage it, which only gives the next jerkoff his brilliant shooting idea with a clever name. Stop buying into it, care about others, think for yourselves. Guns or no guns, your ACTIONS are what make or break a situation.

And the most important thing: My DEEPEST condolences to the families affected, my prayers are with you.

e-beef

February 15th, 2008, 11:56 AM

my condolonces to all those affected.

my best friend Leslie Dubois goes to NIU and i havent been able to get a hold of her yet to make sure she's alright. i'm really fucking worried.

if anyone on these boards happens to know her, recognizes her name, or knows the names of those injured, please let me know.

Slash

February 15th, 2008, 12:04 PM

I'm sorry to hear that e-beef, i hope she's okay!

//edit: They identified the dead victims. Seems like your friend is still alive e-beef.

The DeKalb County coroner's office identified four of the victims, all Illinois residents: Daniel Parmenter, 20, of Westchester; Catalina Garcia, 20, of Cicero; Ryanne Mace, 19, of Carpentersville; and Julianna Gehant, 32, of Meriden.

The fifth victim, Gayle Dubowski, 20, of Carol Stream, Illinois, died at a hospital in Rockford and was identified by Winnebago County authorities.

From cnn. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

e-beef

February 15th, 2008, 12:15 PM

slash: thank you. yeah, i'm pretty sure i have no reason to worry.. just want to be positive she wasn't injured since they havent released those names yet. thanks again.

ChaoticKnight

February 15th, 2008, 12:18 PM

This thread should be about the deaths of those four people, and how terrible a tragedy this is, and how we should think about and pray for the families of the victims, not a useless argument about how guns should be banned. But, that's just my opinion.
Rest in peace.

Duq

February 15th, 2008, 12:34 PM

Other countries have guns just like us... other countries have way less gun crime. Has to do with our society, not that people can get guns. Besides, those of you saying 'no guns' for the public obviously haven't had your houses broken into before. Were there no gun laws, a criminal could still easily score a gun off the black market while I am left to defend myself with... what? A spoon? A kitchen knife? Wait for the police?

Lol whut? The thing is, in places where there is very strict gun control. Burglars dont have guns, so you can beat them silly with a bat.

Just to dump some local stats. On the roughly 16 mil people here, around 230 people in the country die because of murder each year. 39% of those was murdered with a gun. Wich is still alot. Here is the top 5 list of reasons
1. A problem in the family
2. Moved around in the underworld
3. Fight on the street ( like drunken guys beating eachother)
4. A partner killing
5. robbery

So what does this is say. Its more likely that you get shot by someone in your family, your partner, or a random fight in the street. If you would consider this, would it be really wise to have a gun in your house, considering that the people who will most likely kill you are there as well?

But really, guns dont matter. The world is filled with alot more tragedy far worse then this. That doesnt get even near as much attention.

my condolences to those involved.

Odayga

February 16th, 2008, 03:01 AM

first Columbine, V-tech, now NIU. the damn thing woke me up. for some reason im having night mares about it. probably because i saw a picture of the scary kid.

Plus ontop of that, in my hometown of San Jose. there was a "Gun and ammo Shop" on one of the bigger intersections in the city that sold guns. it was a pretty run down place. no wonder there were so many shootings at night in my neighborhood. but then again my brothers elementary teacher was a rapist and lived across the street from us. screams were heard a lot...but yeah i believe that there needs to be a permanent ban on guns for good. the only reason i believe that a gun should be used is for self defense against one thats a severe threat. or if an individual is living in the country, very very rural country, in that case one would need a gun in order to keep robbers and morons out plus to hunt if thats how the individual gets food or has a joy for that.

kingshaj

February 16th, 2008, 03:31 AM

if your gunna ban guns you may aswell ban everything else
that can be used to kill someone.

i lived in Chicago when they were shooting up all the movie theaters,
in the early 90s....in celebration of the film!....not at each other! it was an epidemic of theater shootings, for a few years...it had a marked effect on ticket sales...people were getting shot in the crossfire.

i went t see the film "misery" the steven king film....and the place went wild, 2 shooters from two corners of the theater began shooting at the actors!..luckily, according to the news, no one was killed that night. but it was a long summer and others weren't so lucky

this is pretty weird behavior...

dont you think this bares just a little more thought?....than the 'ol "guns dont kill people..." schpeel?

even if true...its not constructive.

NoSeRider

February 16th, 2008, 05:52 AM

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This is becoming so common place it's out doing "Going Postal"......now it's "Get'n Academic on You Ass". It's becoming morbidly compelling.

Until you realize the school system is like a rat cage, this is probably going to continue. It seems academically institutionalizing young people is causing adverse social engineering.

Hyoscine

February 16th, 2008, 07:02 AM

Hi. I'm a progressive, vote Democrat AND both members of my household own guns. Yes, we're gun owners. I mean this in a completely non-argumentative and non-dismissive way; why?

Adam Nowak

February 16th, 2008, 11:17 AM

This is getting so commonplace that it's like hearing about violence in the middle east, and my hometown is about 45 minutes away from Dekalb, meaning that it's literally next door to me. And I just emotionally assimilate it and move on and begin to wait for the next shooting to happen. I even have a bunch of friends from high school attending the university, and there's not much more than intial shock value registering. Plus, I learned of it from a friend literally driving to the campus worried that he wouldn't be allowed on because of the lockdown.

Strange phenomenon of getting used to violence in this way.

If I many ask, where do you live? I live in Montgomery, about the same distance from Dekalb (I used to live in Cortland actually) and I know people who go there as well.

black_nomad12

February 23rd, 2008, 12:39 AM

-.- I believe that guns should be banned from everyone but cops, military etc... But i also believe in the "Second Ammendment" that states if tyrants are to come to america... you can blow the shit out of their terrorist/nazi ass and you can once again have a free country.... im sure people are gonna be like "oh well when is America, or any country for this matter, gonna be invaded by tyrants..." well one day... (like WWII) some huge iconic tyrant power could actually take over countries... [[[having guns could prevent them from taking ''your'' freedom]]]