Teen Challenge #40: post apocalyptical warlord

[addleheaded]

G'day and a happy new year!

I'm opening this thread because Sloth is probably very busy. I hope everyone is satisfied with my choice for the topic and i would like to see many of you guys participating on this one, thx :].

The Rules:
Anyone ages 13-19 may submit an entry at any time before the deadline. Please host your image on a remote image-hosting site instead of uploading it to the CA server. This makes it much easier to transfer it to the poll thread.

The Topic:
Post apocalyptical warlord: create a character which appearance should be influenced by a destroyed environment. think of a world without any system or structure - everything is out of order. And bring out his social status as a warlord.

Please add a small description or storyline. We don't want a five page essay but make it nice, brief, and to the point. Especially if there is something in your design which needs explaining.

Add a border around your image with your name and the topic, like they do with the other of the week challenges.

The Deadline:
Tuesday, the 15th of january.
two weeks

[Diphallia]

I love post apocalyptic art!

[iambanana]

I guess I'll go first.


This is the desert pirate (I'm so inventive when it comes to names)
He raids convoys travelling across the desert, killing anyone who comes in his path. If he encounters a village, he plunders and burns it to the ground, as seen in the picture. He travels with around fifty highly trained, heavily armed goons.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/fluffeluff/teenchallengefinito.jpg

[Jasper_]

Nice entry imbanana. One crit, since theres still alot of time left, would be to maybe redesign the ship a bit, so it looks like it's mobile on sand. It kinda looks like it would just be sitting there right now, with no way to move around.

[iambanana]

Heh, I actually thought that this might be an issue. They don't travel around on the ship. The ship IS actually just a stranded ship.

I should have though about that before putting it there and calling him a pirate.

[Diphallia]

testa att vända på skeppet och se hur det ser ut :)

[vibhas_virwani]

hey thanx addlehead.....topic is fine ....im in ....!!!! :D

[iambanana]

There. I made the ship look a bit more immobile. Much better.

[Kefo]

Nice topic!!! :)

[Danuh]

Whoa~ AWESOME topic, and great job to iambanana. I personally think the ship is right in place. It's post apocalyptic so everything's going to be a little out of order. Good concept. :D

I'll really start working on this one. Can't wait to see what everyone else comes up with :]

[Diphallia]

Danuh: he moved the ship :P

[xabian]

hope i can do this one, i just need to get my wacom fixed (need different drivers for vista)

[Arbu]

great topic! count me in!

[Diphallia]

I've foud a perfect pose.
Now the hard thing: Costume design.

[Lotet]

woho, this sounds fun, im totaly in ^,^

[Arbu]

my wip for this topic =)

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2008/003/a/b/post_apocalyptical_war_lord_by_Arbu.jpg

[Abee]

Here's my wip this time, christ I'm rusty :P
(I might be to lazy to polish this piece so I might just leave it, ergo I'll make up a story.)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6574/apocalypticwarlordgo2.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apocalypticwarlordgo2.jpg)
Ragnar Stavras, also known as the desert nightmare is one of the few survivors after the 4'th worldwar. Ruling the southern hemisphere with fear, he's slowly becoming something more then a man. 2,3 meters tall and weighing 154 kg makes him a true advisary in a world where guns no longer has any importance. In this world, you fight like men.

(Oh, and why can't I attach picture like normal? :S)

[vibhas_virwani]

wow ....awesum grayscale arbu ....(sorry bout the wrong spelling last time ...that ws me ...not magicgoo)...and abee too.... crap i gotta spend a shitload of time on this one to try to get one vote.... still scoring a nil....

[Diphallia]

WIP.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z76/diphallia/S420001721.jpg
Doesn't seem too post apocalyptic to me tough :(

[xabian]

Diphallia looks a little bit Vietnam if all else though just give it a gas mask, you cant go wrong

[Diphallia]

Haha, always the gasmask.
The key of a succesful post apocalyptic artwork!
But yeah, it's also a good reason to not have to draw the eyes and nose :P

But I'll not add it until at the digital step.
And I think of putting a bit more modern gasmask on him.

[Dutchdevil]

I will participate!!

[Lotet]

lol, you and your gasmasks xabian xD

deamn, looking at those WIPS kinda makes me think i should think again about my composision, i think i have to make it more epic

[latimer]

I don't turn 20 until the 13th, so I guess i can participate in this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/ltlatimer/apo_wl_ca_unfinished.jpg

Clearly an apocalyptic warlord has to do his clothes washing too, whilst intimidating & innocent victims, amirite? WIP, may finish it later.

[Jasper_]

Latimer, that looks really cool man, I'd love to see it finished

[Danuh]

latimer - I'd hate to say that it looks adorable but I can't help it. Bet it's gonna look awesome finished.

Oi, I should really start working on mine. xD;

[Danuh]

WIP so far
I had two designs for a warlord, my problem was deciding which one to use. So instead of having one just standing in a pile of rubble looking pretty I had them deck it out over a pile of rubble. The winner wins my attention :D lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/ckat/010608_thumbnails-1.jpg

[xabian]

wooo gas masks... I'm sure that I'm mad you know tehe

[latimer]

haha, thanks guys. Sort of tried introducing 2 totally opposite themes of innocence & aggressiveness, & think i went pretty well about it. Hopefully i can upload the finished product tonight.

Danuh - Awesome action. I think i favour the sword user straight away, he seems to have this cool about him despite being shot at with pistols. can't wait to see it finished. :)

[edit] finished 8D

Carefull, he's a shy little guy. need to wash all the fall-out & other radio-active material from his clothes. he's putting another 50c through the machine just to make sure he gets rid of it all:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/ltlatimer/warlord_ca.jpg

Critique encouraged & appreciated. PS: I hate adding borders, but w/e.

[Diphallia]

latimer: That's cool, but the perspective looks kinda distorted.

Gimme some crits on mine.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z76/diphallia/teen40.jpg

[iambanana]

Well, for starters, you might wanna try to define the edges alot more. I take it this is just a WIP though, so still time to fix.
Also, tro not to let the background shine through objects and character, it has given you bright lines around the ammo and 'nades on his belly.

[Diphallia]

thank you. :D
Painter is great, but it's hard to get sharp lines :[

[Jacob Kobryn]

Is it ok if I submit a rendered pencil drawing vs a digital or analog painting?

[latimer]

Diphallia - I think you might be referring to hwo I have the shot on a slight tilt, because the perspective lines matched up perfectly using line tool :O But thanks anyways, i'll see what i can do. :)

With yours, try blocking out the colours more - like, instead of scribbling, eg, the tank, block it out full in one colour, then use a darker colour to distinguish a light source. I'm sure you have your own method of blending. O:

Jake - I'm sure that'd be fine, i've seen a heap of sketch submissions. Conceptart.org isn't just digital painting. :)

[Diphallia]

It's massively distorted.
Trust me, the perspective is very much wrong.

Yup, I'm gonna block it in more, still have 5 days.

[Jasper_]

I like the colors you used in yours latimer, it looks good. One thought I had while looking at it though, was since your character is pretty skinny, the edge of the pelvis (iliac crest) might be a little more prominent. Either way, good job.

[latimer]

I agree pyroclasm. Infact, his whole pelvis is out, because he was originally wearing a belt. But I've been too lazy to do any drawing for the last fw days. D:

[Linguini]

Hooray! Awesome topic. Guess I'll have to try this one, too.

Just putting my idea out there, will try to sketch it tomorrow. Please tell me if this doesn't pertain to the rules, 'cause it's a little out there.

A propoganda poster with a picture of a leader of a country or something to that effect, with the poster worn or torn or burned or something and defiled. Basically, in the future each person will govern themselves (no government, an anarchy...) And to show a leader's social status...well, there is no leader and that's shown by the defiled poster (...maybe the face is partially covered by the anarchy symbol?).

Is this going out too far on a limb?

[Blueman]

Hello! I just found this web page not a day ago, and I have found it to be incredible so far. Here is my WIP for this contest, hoping to get some feedback on the head/pose before I go ahead and color the rest of the body.

Unfortunately, since I had to shrink it down so much, you can't see most of the detail work in the eye area, but Ill try to work around that in the final submission.

The general idea behind it is a reversion back to a tribal state come the Apocolypse, so I am trying to use more savage tattoo designs and unsophisticated weaponry. The eye thing is one of the remnants of a previously hyper-advanced civilization, which, the way I see it, would have cat eyes for some reason.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/Bluemanz/apococopyweb.jpg

[iambanana]

Nice WIP Blueman! Welcome to CA!
What kind of brushes did you use on that head? Round hard ones?

[Lotet]

well, im kinda done with mine, so.....il just post it here then
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5843/warlordft2.jpg
good luck you all, work hard on theese last remaning days
and ye, blueman, nice WIP, and you sure are welcome to CA ^,^

[iambanana]

Wow, Lotet. Just wow.
I'm gonna have to ask though, how is it that you get that style? You have a very characteristic style, which you probably know.

[latimer]

Diphallia, if it's so out of perspective, please tell me exactly how instead of just saying its crap. The rocket launcher is standing on an angle to the wall, yes, the figure is out a little, but i didn't want him sitting square to the washing machine. as for the walls & the machine, they followed vp's drawing with a lining tool, so i hardly think they are out of whack. the camera tilt offers an interesting perspective instead of generic up & down, forward & back. but if you can give me solid foundations as to why it's so skewed, please tell me so I can fix it. Now I will critique yours with things that I 'know', just as you know my perspective problems. Don't take it to heart, we're all here to learn.
Your sense of scale is way out. The themes your work is carrying across are generic, as far as i or anyone could tell, your figure is just a random soldier because he has nothing unique about him. How to fix it? Make your tank bigger. Give your character something that distinguishes him from other people. (symbolism comes in handy for this) Because you included a back drop, make sure it helps convey your concept -- it doesn't look very post apocalyptic, but I also don't know what you have in mind. So far it just looks like Iraq. Your character is pointing, what's he pointing at? Why is he pointing? Where are your light sources? These are things you need to think about, if you're after realism. I stress, don't take it harshly. I didn't realise this particular challenge was so critically accurate.

[Micaiah Nelson]

That box you made is what set the confusion in your image. That box you set gives the plain a stable view of where the floor is, where the corner is, where the wall is. but the gun that you have laying onthe wall seems to be forcing the wall back. Stare at the wall and where you place the gun for a bit and you'll find what I'm talking about.

Also to add when character designing its extremely important to know what the character looks like. The back view doesn't help at all.

[Diphallia]

Wow Latimer, thanks a lot :D
Really appretiated.
It's the washing mashin that's out of perspective in case you wonder.

ah, just noticed Micaiah told you :P

I was thinking that he's commanding his forces to attack, but I don't know how to fix that.
But yeah, my sense of scale is fucked up. :[

I'll try those tips out the best I can.
Thank you!

[Blueman]

Nice WIP Blueman! Welcome to CA!
What kind of brushes did you use on that head? Round hard ones?

Yessir, hard rounds with 70% opacity to rough out the tones, and a soft round/ natural airbrush 10% opacity to blend.

[Micaiah Nelson]

Well latimer showed a big weekness in you picture Diphallia. It doesn't say post apocalyptic. It looks like now in the middle east. Who is he attaking and why is he attaking them. The tank is too small. Look up a tank and picture a human on it. Also since its moving in speed someone would have a hard time standing on it in that position. Have him croach a bit or neel for a stable position. Sugestion on making it more apocalyptic, change his uniform completly, make the scene in like a city or urban area, somewhere you wouldn't think a tank would usually be seen. Change the color on the tank, purple and black:shrug:.

[Diphallia]

I have a hard time making him more post apocalyptic and still letting him be a warlord.
Bwah.
I removed the tank completely and added a flag, lowered the horizon and kept on rendering a bit.
Gonna se if I can make it more post apocalyptic in some way.
I'm gonna add ruins and some more soldiers, if I've got time.

But I think I just made him less post apocalyptic :[
Gonna extend the canvas too.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z76/diphallia/teen40b.jpg

[latimer]

Thank you diphallia. Seriously, it wasn't meant as a scolding, thats the way it looks to me.
Michaia - I honestly thought the rocket launcher was creating the confusion.
But one thing I don't agree with is having to show the front of someone. In a character sheet, sure. But showing the back of someone can mean many things: The subject could be enigmatic, they could be shy, they could have their attention focused on something. The artist might want focus the viewers attention on something in particular. In this instance I wasn't about to draw the back of a washing machine that's glowing for no apparent reason & create more confusion about what the box actually is (I leave it left to the users discretion - it's the future, use your imagination. But i did explain he was washing his clothes.) just so you could see a gas mask & skinny ribs, & a penis. What happened the the power of imagination? I thought the tanks on his back, his scars, & his butt & his spine would create a more comical yet mysterious feel whilst showing something interesting to the eye, whilst the cyborg arm would create a sense of uniqueness about this particular figure. Though for all anyone knows, everyone could have one in his time frame, no one knows. I'm not about to say my work is perfect, it's far from it, & for no reason does it deserve to win. Won't change the fact that I enjoyed drawing it though.

I took out what the stylized perspective because it was too confusing & wrong anyways & gave more definition to his hip, & repositioned the launcher.

[edit] nevermind, it didn't save, so i have to redo it.
[edit] here it is:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/ltlatimer/warlord_cacopycopy.jpg

[Micaiah Nelson]

Michaia - I honestly thought the rocket launcher was creating the confusion.
But one thing I don't agree with is having to show the front of someone. In a character sheet, sure. But showing the back of someone can mean many things: The subject could be enigmatic, they could be shy, they could have their attention focused on something. The artist might want focus the viewers attention on something in particular. In this instance I wasn't about to draw the back of a washing machine that's glowing for no apparent reason & create more confusion about what the box actually is (I leave it left to the users discretion - it's the future, use your imagination. But i did explain he was washing his clothes.) just so you could see a gas mask & skinny ribs, & a penis. What happened the the power of imagination? I thought the tanks on his back, his scars, & his butt & his spine would create a more comical yet mysterious feel whilst showing something interesting to the eye, whilst the cyborg arm would create a sense of uniqueness about this particular figure. Though for all anyone knows, everyone could have one in his time frame, no one knows. I'm not about to say my work is perfect, it's far from it, & for no reason does it deserve to win. Won't change the fact that I enjoyed drawing it though.

What?! No! When doing a character design, well you have to follow these simple rules (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1600152&postcount=3). You don't have to follow them all but I must be able to follow the silhouette. Your relying to much on the viewer to imagine your character. You also accomplished having the viewer pay more attention to washing machine. Its also funny, but still I would still like to see what the mask looks like. You don't want the viewer to imagine what your character looks like (then you would fail at character design). The viewers imagine on the facts you give about your character. He crouches when he walks due to the tanks on his back, shows how heavy the tanks are. He has dry blood on his skin and weapon, means that he is a fighter. What I see from your image is he has armor I can't see, he's washing his clothes, he has all his focus on the washer, bubbles are falling out of the washer. Theres a rocket laucher but I have no clue how he can carry it, looks to heavy for him. It cost 50 cents to wash clothes. In end result your washing machine has more character than your character. But glad you had fun drawing it!

[Blueman]

Here it is, finished (sort of.) I realize that in the end, there isn't actually anything connecting it to a post apocalyptic world beyond my own tangential imagination, but all of the modernish and ancientish weaponry I tried adding to her (rather scanty) costume ended up looking like poop, so I gave up. Well, the point is that I had loads of fun drawing her, and I learned a lot of new skills along the way.

mini-story: Hundreds of years after Earth's Final War, the few remaining humans have recreated society in the form of a caste system. At the top of this system lies the Warriors, who lead their people against competing tribes for dwindling stockpiles of refined alloys and other valuable resources. The Warriors are characterized by their cat-like eyes, a residual genetic modification from the rampant gene splicing that took place during the Final War. They are also the only members of their society permitted to have metal jewelery, and are awarded a new piece for every victorious battle.

heres the whole thing:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/Bluemanz/apococopycontestweb.jpg

and a closeup of the head, which got some extra detail work:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/Bluemanz/apococopycontestweb2.jpg

[Jasper_]

Ok, umm, heres my sketch, idk if I will have it finished it time. The hair, legs, and arms are all kinda sketchy...but whatever.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/Pyroclasm00/Postapacolypticwarlordajpg.jpg

[Diphallia]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z76/diphallia/Teen40c.jpg

[Danuh]

Lotet - to put it simply, great composition. I don't really know whats going on with the guy's arm but the background is superb.

Oh man, I had no time to work on this thing this past week. I'm afraid to rush it but I still really want to make the deadline. Oi oi oi...

[Diphallia]

I think he broke it while shooting with that pistol.

[xabian]

finally got my wacom working, so heres my first idea and yes no gas mask!!!
but yeah the story behind him is that he is only a post apocalyptic warlord as he is the only survivor.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6642/postapocalypticalwarlorjy8.png

[latimer]

What?! No! When doing a character design, well you have to follow these simple rules (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1600152&postcount=3). You don't have to follow them all but I must be able to follow the silhouette. Your relying to much on the viewer to imagine your character. You also accomplished having the viewer pay more attention to washing machine. Its also funny, but still I would still like to see what the mask looks like. You don't want the viewer to imagine what your character looks like (then you would fail at character design). The viewers imagine on the facts you give about your character. He crouches when he walks due to the tanks on his back, shows how heavy the tanks are. He has dry blood on his skin and weapon, means that he is a fighter. What I see from your image is he has armor I can't see, he's washing his clothes, he has all his focus on the washer, bubbles are falling out of the washer. Theres a rocket laucher but I have no clue how he can carry it, looks to heavy for him. It cost 50 cents to wash clothes. In end result your washing machine has more character than your character. But glad you had fun drawing it!

You are just making it too personal, too cliched, & too... text book? Thats how you would want it, but as i doubt you are the bench mark of any form of art, I'll keep my own methods my own. You could apply these rules to ANYONES work here & still come up with the same bullshit answer.

As for the washing machine having more character, i highly doubt this is the case. Looking at it i see a washing machine, yeah bubbles coming out, & it costs 50 c. But with the figure, i see the fact he is naked & vulnerable, I see he is impaired because he has what appears to be a somewhat robotic arm that looks like it makes up for his loss of strength anyways, a gas mask that helps him breath (Oh wait, lets take it too literally, the tank he has sports an flammable sign, maybe its metho- or petrol that he's breathing!) I see he is humanoid because he has 4 limbs. I see he is skinny & under nurrished, as anyone living in a post apocalytpic world would be. I see a rocket launcher, but because I'm human, & I can see its leaning next to him, i can presume he owns it. I could then say he can carry it due to his massive robotic arm that appears to have at least a bit of strength behind it. As for armor, he musn't have any because you can't exactly shove metal items through a washing machine, but you know, it must take someone with an iq of 170 to figure that out, right? See, I can be a dick too, art wasn't meant to be taken so literally.

[Diphallia]

Final

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z76/diphallia/PostApoccopy.jpg

[addleheaded]

nice entrys everyone.. i especially like lotet's one ;]

sooo... it's tuesday the 14th... and - how ashamed - i'm not really far with my piece.. i've been very busy. also i'm having an economical internship right now. but i'm doing my sketches while i'm having my brake.
i will open a thread for the finished pieces, but i will add some more time for
those who didn't finish like me :p sry

greez, jmh

[dadushin]

hope i'm not to late,
whipped something up, couldn't resist
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/dq5000/tchallenge.jpg

[Call0ps]

iambanana i like de idea, i really can imagine this crazy old man, destroying everything in his sight :D probably it could work better if we have more info about him, like as, body, clothing is really important as well, and pose. maybe more contrast on the character and bring a bit closer the back ground to pop up your character.

Arbu love it, the light is great, no critic about anatomy, btw whats up with the tail? :P no doubt as an warlord, great entry

Danuh i like the concept were theres a fight! i mean who dosent like action, hope to see it finished until midnight :P

latimer haha an shy apocalyptic warlord xD great coloring and sense of light, some anatomy issues on torso and right arm, overall i like it =)

Lotet i never can resist an character with reflecting glasses, ^^ nice background, not much to say :P nice entry

xabian cant tell much, a bit scratchy in my opinion, hope u can get the work a bit more further to be more readable

Diphallia nice colors man, the pose looks great, really gives the character and important and dynamic feeling, try not to work to much on the background, the smoke (photo i think) is taking the attention from the character, also try to give more volume to your character :)

dadushin hmmm.. this will take a while u bastard :P AWESOME ENTRY .

[Clodioz]

:O :O :O :O dadushin's one is great!

[Clodioz]

my entry

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2325/apocalypticalwarlordby9.jpg