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[Pav]

As a fan of both "Alien" and "Predator" franchises I think this movie did not deliver what was expected. It's like someone used iconic characters for another survival flick. The creatures were top-notch (the design, not the action) and I enjoyed the concept of Predators' homeworld, but besides that you get tons of plot holes mixed with a little high school drama, comedy (wtf!), slow moving/thinking heroes, helpless gunners and blurry action scenes. Did you guys think otherwise?

[Digital_Blacksmith]

Havent seen it, dont want to, but im pretty sure it will have the following:
Hero is a high school/college student
There is a gunner who screams while firing, thinking it will make a difference
Someone getting hurt, and having someone sacrifice themselves for this person
There is a love interest, who is on a completely different social class then the hero
Hero is most likely a loser in his school
Opposing forces joining forces to take down bigger threat
Black guy who of course cant do anything but speak like hes from the ghetto, no matter his profession

[Pav]

@Raverunner:

haha, exactly, here are few quotes from movie reviews to support your theory (bottom quote is possible spoiler!):

"a faceless tough guy who has returned home after a mysterious absence (Steven Pasquale), his faceless younger brother (Johnny Lewis), a faceless soldier who has returned home from overseas (Reiko Aylesworth), her faceless young daughter (Ariel Gade), a faceless sheriff (John Ortiz) and a teen sexpot (Kristen Hager) whose cleavage is so prominent that you probably won’t even notice if she is faceless or not."

"they’re typical horror movie pretty people, most of whom seem to behave as if they’re trapped in a zombie movie instead of something called Aliens vs. Predator. The few who live long enough to become the film’s hero characters are so poorly developed you’re unlikely to remember their names, let alone anything else about them."

"laughable dialogue (a collection of cliches so threadbare that “We need guns” pretty much serves as its version of the St. Crispins Day speech from “Henry V”), moronic characters (one actually appears stunned to discover what exactly can be found within the walls of your friendly neighborhood sewer), pointless subplots (let’s just say that a local bully gets more play in the film’s opening half than either of the titular creatures)"

"When watching H. R. Geiger’s rampaging Xenomorph ooze through an air duct in search of prey (Aliens 1986), it seems ludicrous to think that it would ever be reduced to the likes of, say, chasing horny teenagers around a swimming pool."

"In order to survive, they have to figure out how to defeat both the Aliens and the Predators and survive, after losing an entire National Guard platoon to one creature in their most embarrassing on-screen battle since “Southern Comfort.” Note to the National Guard: I don’t want to be telling you how to run your business but if you insist on running that monstrous “Citizen Soldier” video in movie theaters as part of the pre-show “entertainment,” you might want to reconsider placing it before a film in which a number of your members not only get wiped out in about six seconds flat but apparently can’t sense a ginormous acid-dripping beast when it is literally standing right behind them."

[Carnifex]

for some weird reason,this makes me want to see it even more. it's pretty much what i expected from the trailer,although i really hope they're not trying to focus on the humans (are they?).
trailer alone had better action/gore than the first movie,is it better?
still,it's like there's only sub-standard writers left in hollywood,wtf?

[Hookswords]

Where are the space marines!?!

[Digital_Blacksmith]

God dammit, just fire the writers that were on strike....it seems that they dont do much anyways if this is what they come up with.

[Flake]

Where are the space marines!?!

They can't have space marines, that would risk turning it into an entertaining movie that fans of the franchises might actually want to watch.

[Carnifex]

They can't have space marines, that would risk turning it into an entertaining movie that fans of the franchises might actually want to watch.

i rather have the feeling they'd make an even less entertaining film,àla resident evil...
seems to be the best that hollywood writers can come up with nowadays,in terms of characters and action...:nohope:

[Costau D]

Instead of hollywood writers trying to be creative. They resort to what they think the mass public will like so they make that money roll through. So they resort to what they think people will expect, because doing something different is too scary for the suits. Sad thing is, hollywood writers had marketing hammered into them more than creative writing. i was even told by some teachers of mine, in general the audience is dumb and predictable so if you want to make money you have simplify things and keep it to what they would expect a certain kind of movie would have. the recent movie I Am Legend is a good example of that.

If you make the audience think, dont expect good outcomes from the general public. Example: No Country for Old men

You want a huge hit that makes good money, but no awards. The next Adam Sandler movie, or the Hostel and SAW franchise will suffice.

[Jason Rainville]

Even though the first one was nothing to write home about, at least there were some genuinely cool fight scenes with aliens and predators. You could feel the strength of each as they pounded on each other in well-shot and thought out action sequences in an otherwise nonsensical movie.

this pile of crap not only has a more mundane setting, worse acting and is essentially one balled up cliche, but they managed to actually make aliens fighting predators boring.

Seriously, It's like they got some highschool guys to choreograph and then act out the fight sequences. Then decided they looked like crap, so made sure to light it horribly, set it in the rain and crop so close you don't know if an alien is striking or someone threw a tarp.

Terrible.

[JL.Alfaro]

I am angry.

After all the hype, and all the fans waiting to see this next installation of the story..they let you down, but oh no...they dont just let you down like when the hero dies at the end-no sir, they kill the plot, story, heroics, character development and finally...they kill the two alien races which we all have come to love and root for. fuckers. This movie sucked more ass than an over-the-hill-transexual-prostitute from "that" side of town. Sucked more than a hoover vacuum salesman. I could, but I wont, go on and on.

The plot of the movie is...wait...what plot? did anyone get the plot?
The characters are forgettable- really, they are.
The action is laughable- I wanted to walk out the theatre.
They kill newborn babies and pregnant women...justifiable? sure you say, but...it fit nowhere in the plot...oh yeah what plot
The 80's called, they want their special effects back and
Barney wants his over sized dinosaur gloves back

No heroes in this film, none.

DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS PILE OF CRAP

[Pav]

yep..this movie as a middle finger to fans and a disrespect to paying customers, you guys proved it.

[Costau D]

I am angry.

After all the hype, and all the fans waiting to see this next installation of the story..they let you down, but oh no...they dont just let you down like when the hero dies at the end-no sir, they kill the plot, story, heroics, character development and finally...they kill the two alien races which we all have come to love and root for. fuckers. This movie sucked more ass than an over-the-hill-transexual-prostitute from "that" side of town. Sucked more than a hoover vacuum salesman. I could, but I wont, go on and on.

The plot of the movie is...wait...what plot? did anyone get the plot?
The characters are forgettable- really, they are.
The action is laughable- I wanted to walk out the theatre.
They kill newborn babies and pregnant women...justifiable? sure you say, but...it fit nowhere in the plot...oh yeah what plot
The 80's called, they want their special effects back and
Barney wants his over sized dinosaur gloves back

No heroes in this film, none.

DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS PILE OF CRAP


Hey as long as it has gore and violence who cares about story?

[Hookswords]

Hey as long as it has gore and violence who cares about story?

And that's exactly the kind of attitude that will make you go far in Hollywood.

[Justin.]

Why oh why did I overlook this thread?

Me and a friend arrived after 7:30 to the movie theater, and anyone who goes often enough knows how like 2/3rds of the movies start at 7 or 7:05. It was between alvin and the chipmunks, National treasure 2, or this pile of butt excrement.

We DID walk out of the theater. Saying why I hated it would be reqouting this entire thread. What really made me finally walk out was how low the writers went- not for the sake of plot or character development- just for the sake of "oh yeah we went THERE"- (Spoilers)

The part where he implants the preggie lady is one thing, but then going in and eating (or doing whatever aliens do) with all the babies? It was completely redundant and served no purpose other than to make the crowd squirm in their chairs. I think the predator was the only good part of the whole movie. Not to mention the "romantic" sub-plot was probably written by a guy who, needless to say had a major lack of booty in his high-school career.

I can only reflect those sentiments stated above, PLEASE, PLEASE,
DO NOT WASTE MONEY (OR TIME) ON THIS "MOVIE"

[N D Hill]

I'm a huge fan of the Alien films but as with the last AVP, I wasn't very far into it when I actually felt embarrassed to be watching it. It was a monumental collapse that every aspect of the film contributed to. Mostly though, it was the stupid one dimensional characters that fit the most banal horror archetypes. You know, the typical vapid pretty white teenagers found on the WB network. "Ooh! Don't let her boyfriend catch you!" and "I just got out of prison and that makes me badass" and of course "I'm a shy loser but I'll be a hero and get the blonde chick in the end." I was mostly embarrassed that I had shelled out the $8.50 that would most likely go towards the sequel. The whole movie could literally be summed up by the trailers. Going into it, there was no doubt in my mind that the film would end in a stand off with predalien getting stabbed through the head and the predator getting impaled by it's tail followed by a big explosion. They showed that in every single TV spot. They even managed to make the creatures boring as there was never an instant when they didn't either look like computer generated cartoons or floppy, foam-latex padded, snot fountains. The reason these movies don't appeal to the fans of the original is quite simple. They are now all formula and there's no mystery left to the creatures. Just stuntmen wearing floppy costumes wrestling.

[Sig.NAL]

hhhmmm... i didn't expect it to be that much better than the first one, and they let you know right at the beginning of the movie that it isn't going to be any better because it picks up where the last one ended. That was my first clue as to how the rest was going to pan out. The predator was actually a competant killer and his glowing blue juice/sperm? that he collects in a little jar is capable of dissolving practically anything. You know he gets a rush off of killing stuff, and he used that stuff for a lot longer than that small vial was capable of holding, how else would you explain it? I mean his blood glows so it might logically follow that his other bodily fluids might. So i learned a new fact of predator physiology that i didn't know before, and uh, that's it. I think was snookered out of six fify. Good thing i brought a sandwich.

[Eric Lofgren]

Rather than waste my coin I think I'll just re-watch Predator 2 and wistfully dream about the potential kick ass possibilities of a match up between Aliens and Predators in film like I did when I (and no doubt all of us) first ever saw Predator 2. What a shame this cross over franchise, surely a franchise with the greatest potential (and such a great pedigree), has been handled by such dick headed hacks. Where's Scott, Cameron and McTiernan when you really need them?

[Crash]

Well i thought the movie had its moment...moments that didnt last longer than a few seconds though. Moments that made me think "hey this movie might be good"....Just to get slapped in the face by a yellowish cumsock..


Fuck....


I really didnt expect that much of this movie, actually i kind of knew that it would suck. But cmon... They (the makers) say they are fans of the series, they say theyr are TEH fans of the movies.... WELL WHY DONT YOU DELIVER TO THE FANS THEN YOU FUCKTARDS::..asfd sahudfl

[Jabo]

I LIKED IT!

Seriously, you've placed your expectations way to high and now you get what you deserve for it. AVP1 was the dumbest sequel I've ever watched, sure. But that's because it's based on a... two legends of film history. So, I made the same mistake with AVP, thinking it might actually be a good movie in the swamp of plotless crap out there, and of course, it was a bitter awakening. So for AVP2, I set my expectations very, very low... and enjoyed the film.

I agree with everything that has been said in this thread, but at the same time, I liked it so much more than AVP1. First of all, a slim, muscular Predator. They actually look scary and dangerous, compared to the bodybuilding Predators of AVP1 that would make you giggle if they stomped in your direction because they'd have no chance to strike out fast enough to cause you any pain.

Secondly: No plot. If you expected more in the 2000s, you're just too naive to understand what cinema is about... and always was about. It's entertaining. Nosferatu, being a propable comparison to what the Alien franchise is about, was nothing more but scary and, in a way, dumb.

What did ruin the film for me though were the unnecessary subplots that took up a lot more of the movie's time without being anything but confusing. It was clear from the first 3 minutes of the movie that only a handful of people, if any, would survive the two hours, so WHY THE HELL did they make up all these characters. The corollary was that the main characters were taken their time on screen by extras with one line maximum and I was completely clueless as to whether I felt the heroes were likable or not.

Also, the special effects were... retrospective I don't think I saw any real special effects due to the lack of actual science-fiction in the movie. The camera work was awful at times, all shaggy so you didn't see the ropes.

So, this movie will replace AVP1 on my DVD shelf. I mean, at least it had Aliens and a Predator.

[REGNIRUTH]

i was disappointed with the damn setting...WHY in freaking colorado?
it should have took place in space on some planet like in aliens.

think the movie Aliens, but with predator.

that would have been better than setting in a city in colorado.

BUT i'll say it shows a perfect example of how quickly the xenomorphs can spread.

also, the predator world was a nice thing to see, but i wish i could have seen more. there should have been more of thos hunters that went to earth, not just one.

[Jabo]

1st movie: Alien vs. Predator
2nd movie: Aliens vs. Predator

Guess what's next :) Milk that franchise!

[Pav]

honestly I thought mixing two franchises together cheapened both of them in the first place (unless it was done well). I want to live either in the Aliens' or the Predator's world, each has it's unique atmosphere waiting to be explored.

Now, this bothers me the most: in the original Alien films those creatures were discovered in the distant future in space and the possibility of them getting on Earth was catastrophic, this life-form was literally alien to both heroes and viewers, but hey, never mind in the new movies they peacefully live in Antarctica, they used to crawl Maya pyramids and now they messed up Colorado. That totally killed the mystery, beauty and fear the first movies managed to achieve and went against the original story.

[thirdeye]

My expectations were pretty low for this one, so I wasn't actually as much dissapointed as embarassed. What was missing in the movie - beyond beforementioned plot :) - was the spirit. And the spirit of both productions. There are some amazing, memorable scenes in both series - especially classic scenes form Alien(s) - like chestburster scene in first movie or alien rising from water behind Newt in second, to name a few. Memorable characters too. This movie had none of this.

It kinda feels like it was supposed to be for fans because it showed some "what if" themes - like what would come from crossing alien with predator, or how would the Earth infestation look like - but really had none of the things (like interesting plot) that fans appreciated the previous movies for.

I accept the fact that this is supposed to be a hollywood money-maker-action-movie or whatever so after seeing previews I really didn't expect that much from the plot but figured that at least I'm in for a visual tread - well it wasn't. It was sloppy. Nice design for the pred-alien. Couple of nice flash-short scenes.

There were no space marines :) but one of the coolest scenes IMO was when the special forces team appeared from nowhere in the end :)

And a funny thing - the ending strongly suggested or oppened a potential plot-line of another sequel - I'm trembling already :)

[REGNIRUTH]

i really want my money back...

[Crash]

Well i have more thoughts about the movie.

First of all...

How the hell can the Predator be "TEH ULTIMATE HUNTAHRR"! when he A. Cant se for shit, i mean honestly...could you guys se anything? Anything Enhanced? no... B. He couldnt shoot for SHIT, he missed 9/10 shots.
and finally a human halfwitt for a copper could sneak up on the predator.

And something else i thought about was how its looked liked they tried to hide the speciall effects. They tried to hide how they had used puppets and muppets and ....muppets. And they rarelly showed fullbody aliens.


Ah well... :asslick:

[Flake]

Right, watched a "preview" copy, and that sucked hard.
Thanks for continuing to ruin two of the greatest action sci fi franchises of all time.
Fox hates us.

If you are in the mood for pointless hollywood killfest, "Shoot Em Up" or the new Rambo are much more deserving of your money. They're silly, shallow, but actually fun

I'm not even starting on how they mess with the established worlds of the previous films as that would be an essay. Fail on every level.

[Barts]

best part was when that girl got annihilated by the giant
Frisbee blade thing, fucking classic!