My Art Center Adventures! (update 11.15.3)

[I.was.ink]

Hello everyone. I will be posting all my Art Center work in here,well.....just about all of it. I'll also post thoughts, and stuff I learn at school. So those of you that care to know what its like to attend accd, and what I do there can check this thread.

So far im diggin it. It's great to meet new people and to know that they are all artists. I've met a couple of upper term students who have been very nice, and have given me the low down on teachers. For my first term I have life drawing, design 1, english comp(with an artistic twist), perspective, and head drawing. For my life drawing class I need to do 150 master copies that are 25 min. each and 150 5 min. layins from master works or from a model only.

Here are the mucha master copies I have done. Nothing outstanding, but its two done so far: http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy1.jpg

I attended a workshop after class, and saw some really great upper term students there that amazed me. One of the guys I talked to studied with Steve Houston, and Kevin Chen, and you could totally tell by his artwork. I can't wait to attend Kevin's workshops...but anyways, here's some 3 min. studies I did.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/fig.drawing.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/fig.drawing2.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/fig.drawing3.jpg

I noticed that with my fig. drawings I dont use much line to describe shape and volume. I need to work on those aspects, along with many others.

I'll be updating it ever so often. Oh yeah, Phuzion is also going to Art Center and its like we've become friends cuz we previously knew about one another from Ca. Damn, CA is great!:D

Thanks for checking out the thread folks.

-Iwasink-

[daarken]

wow! u are off to a very good start! when i started at the academy i sucked ass, haha. good luck on those master copies!

[gasmask]

im really proud of u and im glad we became friends, just by knowing u somewhat from the net, i know ur gonna do great here cause u have a strong will and good heart, best of luck to you.

[I.was.ink]

Thanks a lot guys! It means a lot.

If I dont get goin on those master copies I'm going to be hating myself later on....

Oh btw, This thread is going to document my adventure through Art Center, so you're welcome to come along for the ride. :)

[poopinmymouth]

yo yo yo. I love the master studies. Coming along great. That sounds like a hard core amount of work. Was wondering if you ever sign on your Amianartist S/n I added you to my buddy list, but havent seen you on today. Just wanted to chew your ear for a bit. Good job man!

[StephenC]

ah...i've been waiting for this thread to start...I.was. what size are those 300master copies supposed to be?

[Jeff Gran]

Hey, man. I've been reading your "Art Center here I come" sig ever since I joined CA, and I'm glad to hear you finally made it! Great stuff so far, daarken is right you got a lot of skill already to build on. That workload sounds crazy, I can't wait to see how good you are when you're done. Definitely show us your journey, it will be interesting.

[I.was.ink]

Thanks for your interest fellas.

Stephen: the master copies are to be done in a sketchbook.

poop: I'm on regularly, its just that since I just started school I haven't been home that much, and/or I'm not used to it, and I'm pretty tired most of the time, but I'm on there frequently. IM me when you see me on.

I have a sketchbook thread in the daily sketchbook section that I will be updating when I sketch my own personal stuff. Y'know, this thread specifically for accd related artwork, and the other one just for sketches.

Just thought I'd let you guys know...

-Iwasink-

[jester]

I'll join the ride (of course! :D) - pretty demanding curriculum but I'm sure you'll make it!

Jester

[D.O.Jones]

Those drawings are looking great. By the time you've finished Art Center you're going to rock:)

[Fipse]

Great to see you´ve made it and MAN, you´re improving steadily since I entered this board. I think Art Center will get you a boost up to a quality many will dream of ...

I´m looking forward for your posts, the new ones are a great start ... and the curriculum ist a killer, dont forget to eat and sleep some times :D.

Fipse

[dzu]

Your work looks great so far. Looking forward to reading this post as it progresses.

[Treb]

Woohoo! I'm so excited for you! Art Center is a godly place to be -- You HAVE to at one point or another take Rey Busto's Analytical Figure Drawing class. His anatomical knowledge is truly contagious. Most people will probably want you to take Dallas Good's class, but try to take them both if you can (even if it means taking one "unofficially"). Dallas is good at construction theory, but Rey will teach you knowledge that you can't get from anyone else.

I started my first year at the Academy of Art College in San Francisco just a week back. I totally miss Art Center, though I have no regrets of coming to San Francisco -- our computer animation department is godly, just as how Art Center's illustration and fine arts departments are godly.

Have fun, update frequently, and totally own!

[Blackhawk]

Wow Iwasink, your growing, I definitely see the improvement and it's great to watch. Keep working at it and keep an open mind to ideas, looks like your off to a great start.

[I.was.ink]

Hey guys! Thanks for your guys' comments. I Really appreciate em!:D

Today I had my perspective class, and man.....that class is sweet as heck. It's so much fun, challenging, and I can tell that I will be learning a lot. Just today, we were taught basic perspective and a couple of terms. But now, I know how to draw a perfect square in perspective, how to move it in space(with perfect perspective). Another thing I learned how to tell where the viewer is standing from when he is looking at the objects in space. It's called the station point btw.

My teacher is an art center grad who has worked for nasa, and the guy is cool as heck. He says that there isn't a good perspective book out there cuz, there are ones that cover perspective really well, but they miss things here and there. So for his class we are going to make our own perspective book based on his notes, projects, and lectures. Our next project is going to be a room from our house drawn in perspective based on a floor plan we bring in. It doesn't have to be proffesional or anything, just something with enought measurements of things like desk, drawer, bed, etc.... Y'know what Im talking about....

I got my schedule changed, so now I wont be taking the english class, and so I was thinking of taking another class, but the ones I want to take are full, and the ones I'm thinking about are on fridays, and I'd like to keep from monday to thurs. So what I'm going to do is take these four classes I've got right now, and stay on mondays and tuesdays from 2-7 to do my master copies, and when I have enough of those suckers done, I'll be attending life drawing workshops. I'll prolly take one day for hw, and the other for fig. drawing, just for practice, and for fun. I love life drawing...:D

Well, thats whay happened today, and tomorrow I have head drawing, so I'll post what I did in class tomorrow, and expect to see a lot of fig. drawing from me.

Oh one other thing, I had put my perspective board(smoothe-lightweight board that we carry around with perspective projects on) in my locker, and took it out later in the day....and man, it felt like I had been sprayed with mase. I guess since I had left it in there wrapped with some paper thing it comes with, I unrwapped it, and left it back in there, so the whole locker was full of the new wood smell, and man was it potent. It even made my eyes water, and throat close up.

So dont leave a new board in your locker folks. ;)

P.S Would anyone like to see my perspective notes that will eventually become my book, or should I just post finished projects? ....just wondering....

-Iwasink-

[Groover McNab]

Cool thread. Thanks for sharing all this info. I was wondering if you had your portfolio stuff posted on these forums?

[poopinmymouth]

throw them notes in here ho bag

[jester]

Hi I.was.ink, please throw in the notes as well - this is what makes accompanying your journey at art center so interesting.
Thanks a lot for you reports, it's great!

Jester

[AmadorL]

What's ya waiting 4 foo put'em up
:D

Amador

[J.Mac]

i.was.ink you are great man, i really must say you have been one of my motivations for me to go to an art school, along with andrew, daarken and etc. i am going to be following this thread b/c it is so interesting to see what other artist are doing at school.

now when you say you have to do master copies is that from an actual print, statue, painting what have you? or can they be from prints/photos as well? i am curious b/c here at boston i have to go to the musuems and do that, but not i don't have to do as many as you do. i think i shall have to up the anty do more :D

also if you don't mind could you post some of your notes and sketches from you classes. i am a much less experienced artist and i would like to see if i am atleast heading in the right direction.

sorry for the long blurb but i am really interested in this. great work can't wait for more :thumbsup:

-jesse

[endregan]

WHOA that sounds great...

sounds like a great school. man show us some of your work there that would be awesome!!!

Great stuff!!

I am in Canada so im not sure what the equivalent or good school would be to go to in art but it would be interesting.

[I.was.ink]

J.Mac: The master copies I have to do are from photo/book reference. not the actual piece

Endregan:I'll be posting a lot of my stuff soon, I just dont have much at the moment, but soon I'll have tons.

Here's my perspective notes.....

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/perspective.jpg

It's kinda hard to read the words cuz of the low dpi, if anyone interested in the words, cuz if you are, I'll post a bigger version. Or a link rather.

So today I had head drawing. We drew a bit for head drawing, so the teach could see our level of head drawing for about 25 min. The guy is freakin amazing, he had these paintings he did of the muscle structure and close ups of eyes, nose, and so on. They were about 20 x 24 done in pastel i believe. They were so perfect, that They looked like they were done with illustrator and printed poster size. I am not kidding, this guy is damn good, his muscle studies is what impressed me the most, they are color coded, and define everything in a much simpler way. We will get a photocopy of those later on.:D

Anyways, so the guy studied with Steve Houston, who also taught Kevin Chen, he attended art center, and took a class with Craig mullins. So basically he is going to be teaching us what Steve taught him, who, if you go back about 5 generations, was taught by bridgman..... and now how cool is that!:) For the class we have to keep two sketchbooks, one for notes, which we take in class, go home clean them up and redraw them in our sketchbook so at the end of Art Center we have a head drawing book. Kinda like what I need to do for my perspective class. Now for the juicy part.....if you thought 150 master copies was a lot get a load of this......for his class we will be drawing.....are you ready.......500 drawings in our sketchbook. About 40 per week. from 5-20 min. long Some people in class went crazy when he said this. I got freakin excited as hell when I heard it, cuz think of the growth I will achieve in one term. i will at least fill up two sketchbooks for his class.

The guy is tough, a magnificent teacher, cool guy that you can talk to and mess around with, and best of all, I know I will get so much out of his class. I will post my drawings here, so get ready for a lot of those. Oh yeah, for his class, we wont simply be drawing the head, but the bust, so that we know how to connect the head to the torso. Also, we will be going to the zoo, doing self portraits, and drawing animorphic heads that combine an animal and a humans face.

This is by far one of my coolest classes ever, and I'm so happy. If you guys want I'll post my notes as well....let me know if you're interested.

For this week, we have to draw 100 heads, but only a cube representing the head in perfect perspective using master copies, and pictures. Each one will take about 2-3 min, so its not that hard. He's making us do this so that when we draw the head we think of planes, and simplification, a base we start off with, so we go from general to specific.

Do you guys want to see those box sketches as well....?

Now off I go to do master copies, and head drawings....
:dork:

-Iwasink-

[poopinmymouth]

That head class sounds awesome man. The notes would be cool for you to post. too bad you couldnt publish all this stuff as a .pdf *hint hint*

[J.Mac]

iwasink ah i see that makes it a little easier for you to pick what ones you would like to do.

i am interested in what ever you feel like sharing, what you talk about makes me really excited and pumped to go draw. i wish i had your instructors, the more i hear about your curriculum (sp?) the more i wish i was there. mine are not as intense, even though that was the impression i got when i was looking for schools. well the notes are cool, i enjoyed looking at them :D can't wait to see more!

-Jesse

[AmadorL]

what sthe F@k Five Hundoe!:eek:

what is botch f@k'n cool and scarry man... i wish I had the luxury to do that ...keep'em come'n player

P.S. I printed the image and I couldn't make anything out.

Amador

[Jeff Gran]

damn, man. Hardcore. I don't think we need to see all 100 of them, but it would definitely be cool to see a few of those cube drawings, just to see how you're handling them. Man, the more you post about your curriculum the more I wish I was in your place. And it's great that you have the inspiration to be excited about it all, in stead of one of the kids who groans when they find out they have to draw a lot at art school. What did they expect? Looking forward to seeing more.

[Treb]

Please show it all... the notes AND all your drawings. It'd be great seeing your full progress at Art Center. =) Hahah. I'm getting jealous. ;-)

[endregan]

that sounds awesome... keep us posted but dont let us get in the way of your art :)

[chao]

ohh. i.was.ink.. you're a really good man! i'm getting excited by reading all your adventure there!! 500 drawing!! man =D!!! you're so lucky!! art center is always be my dream... if you don't mind.. can you post the notes from there? maybe in higher resolution? it'll make my day if you can do it! thank you soo much! best of luck there! :chug:
-chao-

[I.was.ink]

Here's a sample of one of the pages of my head drawing notes:

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/page2sample.jpg
If you guys would like to download the 5 pages of notes click on the link below

head drawing notes (http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes) for your convenience! ;)

I'll post some more stuff tomorrow. Some master copies, design hw, and maybe some of those boxes.

Thanks to everyone that visits the thread.

Cya!

-Iwasink-

[chao]

thank you so much for this, man!:beer: :chug: really appreciate it! :D

[J.Mac]

oh great notes! i must say you are a good source of inspiration to me. Good work :D

-Jesse

[amphex]

omg man, this kicks ass =D
Now I wanna go to Art Center too =P
Definitely keep uploading your head drawing notes, they are very interesting.
I cant wait to see more =D

PS - If classes are only monday-thursday, what are you doing friday, saturday, and sunday??

[endregan]

hehehe nice notes man. im learning a lot from this dont stop :)

Mind if i copy these in my sketch book? :) gets me thinking!!!

[jlo]

WHAT? you are going to ACCD and you have enough time to keep this thread updated? well... i guess it is only 1st week...

glad you made it! welcome to the big black box!

cynical 8th termer side note: ACCD may seem all peachy to you right now, but by 8th wk you will be incredibly dissapointed with the school- just be ready for the sugar low, that's all.

if you are very interested in entertainment design, make sure you get to know Fred Fehlau (FND dept.chair) and swing by the ent.studio sometime to say hi.

[hutch000]

Thanks for the notes. I also appreciate getting them. :D :nana

[I.was.ink]

Amphex: The rest of the days is for homework. Gotta keep busy...

Endregan: Go ahead! (just use em for personal use of course...deal?);)

jlo: Wow! Thanks for checking out my thread. Ive seen your stuff on ass pat, and I must say I'm impressed. Especially by the baghdad project you guys worked on at school. I always stare at it when I pass by.

I am definetely interested in entertainment design. I'll try and find out where I can find that guy you mentioned. Oh.... where is the entertainment studio, I didn't know there was one? When can I find you there?
I'm an accd noob:p Btw, why do you say I will be dissapointed by the 8th week?

I just downloaded over 300 leyendecker pics.
If you dont know who he is go over to the art history section and check out josh's threads.
Josh, your threads are always great. We need more!

~They are 25 min. long~
Da Vinci
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy2.jpg

Da vinci and leyendecker
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy3.jpg

Leyendecker
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy4.jpg

I'll have some more stuff tomorrow.

[gasmask]

good work home boy, keep at them master copies.

[jester]

Hey Iwasink, I also copied those Leonardo heads some time ago - I think he was a sharp observer and had lots of humour. And I want to thank you for posting your notes - this is a great thing for me to learn from. Hope that you won't become too busy in the future to continue this. Enjoy yourself and keep up your motivation, you're a great source of inspiration.

Jester

[J.Mac]

i.was.ink that is good work! i like how you cross hatched to get different values on the figures. (is values the right word?) you seem to make your outlines very dark on all these, is it a style thing or is that how they really look? great work all around.

-Jesse

[endregan]

nice stuff i can already see how this will help you out. this is helping me out too, gives me idea of what after highschool is about and i can prepare.

awesome work

[I.was.ink]

Gasmask: will do sir. Where's your life drawings btw? You said you'd show me yours...

Jester: Glad I can help!

J.Mac: Value is the correct work. I did outline them a bit more to stylize them, but no too much.

endregan: This is going to help me out a ton. I'm glad you're preparing.:)

Today was a good day in my fig. drawing class. The model was cool, first time I draw him too. I was talking with him, and he was telling me things he liked in my work, and he ended up giving me his business card, which was really nice of him. The guy had modeled for Kevin, and Steve Houston.... I drooled when I heard that...:eek:

But anyways, here's some 5 min. layins. The teacher wanted us to concentrate on sturucture and gesture. Cuz if you don't have any of the two, your drawing will suffer.

(Some of the thinner and fine lines get lost, but I hope you get the picture)
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig1.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig2.jpg

I forgot to add the chair he was using to balance himself. It looks like he's dancing without it:p
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig3.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig4.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig5.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig6.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig7.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig8.jpg

There you go! I'll post something else tomorrow. :)

-Iwasink-

[J.Mac]

i.was.ink great figures, you gave the forms weight. they really look good. what size paper did you use 18 x 24, and what size are your figures about? also do you want a critique on any of your postings or is that not needed? one last thing, i like how you show your stages in blocking the head in, that is great! Can't wait for more.

-Jesse

[MindCandyMan]

Hey bro....this is fantastic! This is really good for me to see because I will be getting a bit different type of education being at the atelier so this will help me round things out while attending there...I will post all the techniques from the studio in my thread as well as soon as I get started so I can hopefully contribute some stuff that will help you as well. You have a lot of talent already iwasink...you will go far...keep it up! I would like to see a high res of those perspective notes...I am curious.

[endregan]

whoa great life drawings do you draw from life a lot? these are great and you got it down pretty well :).

good job

[I.was.ink]

Hey guys! Sorry for the delayed response, but I've been busy lately with school and all. I'm at school right now, and I'll be updating it later today with my perspective notes(full res), 5 min. gestures, and possibly with my head drawing notes.

For my pespective class yesterday we learned about scale, and we did an in class project where we drew a couple of things inside a room, like a door, a hole in the floor, and some steps that lead up to the door. The catch is that they have to be in perspective(ov course). He taught us how to do it, earlier in the day through his lecture, but when you're drawing it, it gets kinda tough at times. For example when drawing the door, it was 3 ft. from the wall, and thats 3 ft. in perspective. Which is damn hard to do, if you dont know how. So we finally finished that drawing, and had to turn it in, so I don't get to post it.:( When I get it back I'll post that fatty!

so for hw we have to draw our room, based on the floor plan of the room, in perspective. He showed us some samples, and its not too hard. So I'll post that when I'm finished. Meanwhile, I gotta keep going with the head drawings( todays lecture was based on the planes of the head, which isn't as easy as it may sound, but it is extremly helpful:cool: ), and the master copies.

Thanks again for checking the thread, and I'll talk to ya guys later.

-Iwasink-

[endregan]

whoa dood was wondering where u were. sounds like your busy man...good stuff. being busy is good. if your too tired or busy dont feel bad for not posting. but dont forget to keep us posted were excited as you are!

Good work sounds like and have fun...

[I.was.ink]

Hello once again. Ca wasn't working for me yesterday, so I didn't update.

Here's my perspective notes at full res:http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/Perspective%20Notes/

The only bad thing is that my scanner won't pick up the little details, so some lines don't show up. Sorry.:(

Here are some 5 min. layins that I did for my fig. drawing class. The one on the left is is pencil, and the other two are black prismacolor.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/layin2.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/layin1.jpg

I'll update with some more soon.

Oskar

[J.Mac]

good work, i like the your drawings of the figures they are pretty well mapped out. the top left woman looks a little off, i htink it is her shoulders and her neck. but hey it is 5 minute sketches,but hey they are way better than i could do in that amout of time :D i actually really like the second figure, it is the contrast i think. you got the gestures down pretty good on these.

when you do gestures how do you do them? i know you get the main movement and and center of gravity down first, but what do you do for the arms, legs and feet. just curious i like to see how you do it? :p

great notes. um hmm well that is for me. good luck with your classes and update when you can i think we would understand you are busy. well i am off to go draw a still life and paint.

I.was.ink you rock :rock:

-Jesse

[amphex]

awesome sketches I.was.ink...
i love looking through your notes and drawings, as always =D

do you get any real free time to hang out with friends or just chill? Or is it all just work for you

[endregan]

Great notes and figure drawings... especially for 5 minutes. your gestures are good. you must practice a lot!

great work

[cityworker]

great job ink. From the look of things you are going to get a job in no time. keep postin bro.

-chris

[chao]

great sketches, there!! keep posting them!!:chug: :chug:

[I.was.ink]

Thanks for your comments!

J.Mac: I do get the pose down with the main movement, but I usually start off with the shape of the rib cage/torso, or if the model is looking directly in my pov I draw their eyes, cuz thats the focal point. If I dont have enough time to do that, I simply always start off with the torso, hips, shoulders, head, and then limbs. I don't worry about specifics. I go from general to specific. I'll post some more fig. drawings on monday.

Amhpex: If you go home, do your hw, and dont screw around you get some time to hand out, but not much.

Endregan: Thanks, yeah I do practice a lot.

Thanks cityworker and chao! :)

Here's an update of master copies andhead drawing notes.

I copied N.C Wyeth's work for these. 25 min. on the first 3, 45 min. for the last one.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy6.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy5.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy7.jpg

I think this is my mastercopy.
At the other end of that rope he's pulling a hostage with him. Wyeth is soooooo good!
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/mastercopy8.jpg


Here's the head notes. He introduce planes of the head to us, and we have to do 40 drawings using this method in our sketchbook.
page 5 (http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/page5.jpg)

page 6 (http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/page6.jpg)

cya!

-Iwasink-

[WildSpruceMoose]

So cool. Its great you made it and this work shows you deserved it. I might have to use some of those head and perspective notes for myself ;) The new master copies are looking good.

[J.Mac]

ah nice work :D i like them all, i have been doing mastercopies aswell a couple of vanEyck's stuff they are so detail it is amazing. anyways back to you.... i really like the last one it is very good! i know you spent more time on it, and it shows. the details and they way you did it is very cool. i can see improvement and accuracy in your drawings already.

your notes are truelly helpful to me :p they are neat clean and clear good stuff! draw on! :thumb:

-Jesse

[jlo]

heh heh- funny you should call it the "ass pat" forum, because it's actually the "no ass-pat" forum... our specialty is throwing out the feel-good and getting straight to the constructive criticism. most of the people on there are ACCD students/alum and we try to crit as if we were in class. for anyone else who's interested, it's forum.studio222.net

the entertainment studio is room 202g (the prototype space). i would hold off visiting until 5th or 6th wk (no art is up right now) and wouldn't visit us after 9th (too busy). also warning: we're kinda hostile to unknown visitors so make sure you say who you're looking for.

Fred Fehlau (patron god of entertainment) is located in the DCO (dept.chair's office). he never smiles and is very curt but that's why he is so efficient. he is responsible for the ent.studio and most of the ent. classes at school. get to know him.

and as for 8th wk, well, it's someone everyone goes through, so i'll just let you find out.

[amphex]

That last MC is sooo good, your really kicking ass in ACCD. The more Im seeing and hearing about it, the more I think I should try to pick up my work and aim for there.
Keep rocking!

[endregan]

awesome progress... rock on :)

[Rohan]

Thanks for this thread man, nice drawings so far, and congrats for achieving your goal of getting into Art Center! I've been really keen for some insight as to their teaching methods, and your posts have been most helpful and inspiring. Wyeth is a cool choice for doing studies from, keep on keepin on!

[Phuzion]

OSKAAAAR!
What's up man? You got some good work here dude. Seriously good stuff. Sorry about all the master copies though. I always hated copying other peoples' pics. Though yours are turning out great! Oh well. All in the name of learning!! I'll see you around dude. Keep up the awesome work. Peace

[J.Mac]

i want more Ink. i am having withdrawals :ep:

[I.was.ink]

Well, I have been super busy guys, so sorry for not updating the thread. thanks to everyone that has replied. It really gives me a boost. So... thanks

I have crazy amounts of homework, as usual, but for my head drawing class, Kyle(instructor) now taught us about planes, and how they work. Technically its all about planes....but anyways, for a two week project we have to do a self portait using planes, and not just like 30 planes, but as many planes as we can use. The linework is due next week, and then he will teach us about tone, so that we can give out sp tone. In the end I will have a pretty cool sp, and I will have learned a lot!:D I'm pretty excited about that, so I'll let show you guys that when I get some more done.

The cool thing about my Kyle, is that he was telling me today about Bridgman, he teaches us how and why bridgman's approach works and how to use it.

Enough talk.
Here's some drawings ive done in my head drawing class, and fig. drawing class.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig9.JPG

I started shading to early, and so the structure of the toros got messed up
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig10.JPG

I was really working on construction for this one
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig11.JPG

I like this one, but theres some spots where its to bendy, and lacks stucture
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig12.JPG

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig13.JPG

Here's some head drawings:

Drawing the head in planes...
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/head1.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/head2.JPG

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/head3.JPG

That's it for today folks. I'll keep you updated when I can.

EVeryone go check out Phuzion's thread in the wip section. He goes to accd with me too. cool guy!

CYA!

-Iwasink-

[J.Mac]

Ink those are pretty good figures. how long where the poses for these? they all have good gestures to them, i agree with you on some of them. it seems you got eager to do contour and form :D

the head studies rock i really like those!! they actaully help me put together what i was trying to visualize about planes on the face. good stuff keep up the hard work!

-Jesse

[TheYellowDart]

Hey, good studies. One thing to keep in mind on your planes of the face studies, remember that the tooth cylinder, is cylindrical in form. You've got it sort of diamond shaped. Good job tho!

[Wilson]

Dude, you don't have to use a cylinder for the muzzle. Boxyness is tottally acceptable, esspecially in a simple plane breakdown. There are top and bottom planes to the lips. True in reality the muzzle does wrap around like a barrel with the cords of the masseters wrapped around either side, but I think for a simple understanding of the surface anatomy of the head, this is a great aproach.

I Was Ink! Dude I met you last thursday in Kyle's class, I just didn't know it was you. I'm Mike the old student of Kyle's that was doing head painting sketches in there. I thought your drawings were very good. You've caught on a lot faster than I did. I think you're going to get along fine, especially since your line work is already more than decent.

Here's a tip for the self portrait. When it comes time for you to tone in the planes use friskit. Make sure it's low tack. You can draw all of your lines, fix them, then lay out a sheet of huge friskit. They sell it by the sheet in the student store. Use an exacto knife to cut the friskit away once you've laid down the adhesive side to the paper, peel back, and you will have a perfect cut out of the head to render with no worries of smudging. It's how the product and trans guys do super clean renderings. It's kind of tricky, but since you won't have to deal with any curves, it should be a piece of cake. Just make sure you keep a sharp blade on your exacto or you'll snag the frisket.

Well, keep it up and I'll see you this thursday.

[Famboozled]

WOW Iwasink youre work is incredible!

Im so happy for you man. Congrats for acceptance at art center! Lovely work man, perhaps ill be able to get into art center...

Awesome work, Im sure youll be sucessful with whatever you do.

[Andrew]

For those of us that will never have the opportunity to go to an art school or atelier this is a wonderful opportunity to learn vicariously.

Andrew

[MindCandyMan]

Your work is so beautiful...even at this early stage...you are an inspiration to us all!

[van]

Originally posted by MindCandyMan
Your work is so beautiful...even at this early stage...you are an inspiration to us all!

I will second that. Keep drawing!

[poly_cube]

man I envy you man! I love to go to the art center (always afraid of the price tag though) but you can take Kevin CHen class at gnomon! if you hurry you might be able to sign up for it. (IF) you have the time, from what I heard they really work you to death at the art center. *envy* heh

here's the website if your intrested.

www.gnomon3d.com (just go to classes- then analog)

[I.was.ink]

Thanks for the nice compliments. Thanks for pushing me, and Im glad I can help by showing my stuff. I'd also like crits on things you see need improvement. I'm mainly posting fig drawing, but if theres something consistently wrong please let me know.

I had a very good talk about art with Mike (Wilson) at school, and he gave me some insight on what teachers to take next semester.( I'm already thinking of next semester and its only the fourth week:p) What I'm thinking about right now, is vis comm 2 with Scott Robertson, analytical fig drawing, and head painting. I think Im missing one other class Mike had mentioned, but I can't remember right now.

But anyways, I had some hard perspective homework, and I worked on my head drawing(in planes). It's allright, but I need to rework some areas, and shade it. Ill post the linework this weekend, and possibly the shading as well. I think Im going to go take KChens workshop tomorrow which is going to be damn sweet!:D

ummm....with that said, I'll show you guys some of my fig. drawings. They are 25 min. long

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig14.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig15.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig16.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig17.jpg

BTW: I'll be updating the thread every thursday or friday.

cya!

[J.Mac]

nice work Ink! the first one has a very nice gesture to it, i just wish you didn't cut the feet off. the second one looks a little wierd to me is there something special that you had to do with that one? other wise the rest are good stuff these are really developed for 25 minutes. i wish i could develop the form in that amount of time i am much slower...

you are so lucky man, getting to go to kchen's workshop. that is so awesome. you have to share everything you learn ok! until later Ink draw on

-Jesse

[I.was.ink]

thx J.Mac for the crit.

Yeah, I know I shouldn't cut feet, but I guess I forgot on that one.

I was just messing with the shadows on the second one, and got carried away. Sorta like if the shadow takes over the body part, and you don't see the body part, just the shadow. It looks very nice and artsy if you know how to pull it off, but I didn't.

Yeah, hopefully I'll make it tomorrow, and I'll share what I learn.

until then!

-Oskar

[thomasaurus]

doing great Ink!

[endregan]

mmm great work. i just am lacking the figure drawing skills and i see how much its improving you it will have to make me twenty times harder to pull anything off.

love your progress buddy!

[WildSpruceMoose]

Seems you have been busy. Its good you're planning ahead. These really show improvement. Just keep on drawing!

[MindCandyMan]

hey iwasink...great figure sketches. You said you wanted crits so maybe I thought I could help. In a bunch of the pics the legs and lower body is significantly smaller than the upper body. Also, judging from these drawings, you tend to thin out limbs too much at their extremeties (spelling?)...What I mean is the shoulder looks thick and then by the time the arm gets to the fist it's very thin...same with the legs. Keep it up...hope that helps.

[Koryh]

Wow I am jealous of you guys.

< OLD MAN RANT ON>
You make me feel old. Back when I was at Art Center. There was no such thing as Ent. Design. We had to sneak into ID classes and hope for a class with Gary Myers. Then in my 4th term the started to offer an Entertainment Design class. Yeah just one lousy class. And the illustration dept. chair would rather you drink a bottle of Clorox that have us take a class in another department. aaaarrrggg I tells ya it was horrible. Oh and did I mention how impossible it was to get into the computer lab? Or should I call it the Abacus lab. OOHH the HOORRROOORRR. And like the Internet hardly even existed let alone a great place like this. We had to read books and go to libraries. blah blah blah cough cough gag whheeeeze
< OLD MAN RANT OFF>

Anyway congrats and keep up the good work.
Remember stay focused and goal oriented. And keep in mind that there are a lot of us out there willing to help.

See YA

[I.was.ink]

Jnorish, endregan, wild sprucemoose: Thanks for the kind words, and Im pushing myself more and more everytime.

MCM: Very good observation man. What would I do without you? Draw skinny arms and legs I guess...:p thanks !

Koryh: Sorry it wasn't as great for you. Ive heard of the stories. Kevin Chen was telling me today about how they only had one entertainment class when he went to accd, and he and a couple of other guys would just take it over and over again. I'm glad they've changed it.

Well today, was one of the best days Ive had at accd. I met KEVIN CHEN!:D And you know how you get so happy about that one teacher that just blows your mind and makes it all worth it. Well Kevin did that to me today. Thanks Kevin

At first he kinda recognized me, as if he knew me from somewhere, but wasn't sure from where, so I told him who I was and its like we were friends already. He's the coolest guy ever, and man is he young. He's prolly in his late 20's. But anyways, by the end, the class was packed. No where to sit, anymore, and there were some people standing. He gave everyone individual attention and help everyone. Gave a lecture, and I met some really good people, and some super talented ones as well. Say on a scale from 1 -10 and 10 being Kevin, I felt like a two/ three which made me feel great. I was so happy to be around so much talent.:D

So what Kev showed me is primarily this, and how it applies:

To do good quick sketches you really need a lot of mileage from doing longer studies. It will help you understand the pose better and allow you to know what to look for in such a short time. Another key part about doing quick sketches is how to short hand what you see, which is also based on your knowledge and mileage on designing shapes. There is really no short cut.

There are a couple tools I do use though to help me see the important parts of the gestures first and shorthand the drawing:

1) think of the body as 3 simple parts (head, torso, legs) and see how these three parts counter balance each other to support weight. They are the key weight factors of the body and the rest of the body will follow through to their action.

2) beware of the shape read of the figure. It is the first thing we see, even before form!! make sure it reads well to describe planes, action (stretch n' pinch) with just the flat shape)

3) think in contrast!! We perceive the world in contrast, the more contrast you use the clearer the statement. If you want to show stretch, you show pinch, if you want to show hard, you have to show something soft, if you want to show something right you need to show something wrong. Make your point clear.

These are some of the tools and principals I use often to communicate the pose in a short time

hope this will help!

That's his response to amadorl's question in kevin's thread. He laid it down, showed me how it applied, and it got me thinking in a whole new different way. So with that in mind, here's some drawings I did in the workshop applying what I learned. These range from 5-15 min.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig18.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig19.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig20.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig21.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig22.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig23.jpg

I did a lot more, but these are the best. Thanks for stopping by...

BTW, for those of you who don't know Kevin just updated his thread here. (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1432&pagenumber=4) So if you guys haven't seen it go over there right now!

Hurry Run!!!:nana:

-Iwasink

[J.Mac]

Ink that is totally awesome i am happy for you! I know what you mean i haven't had any instructors so far like that here but i have had one before :D Those are great drawings there, i really like the second one. it has great feeling to it. This is really great work! keep it up and draw on!

-Jesse

[chao]

great works again i.was.ink!! make me envy you more and more! just keep us updated! and good luck with all your projects!:chug: :chug:

[popeye]

Nice stuff! i have been looking at your stuff in your thread and u have been making some crazy progresses!~


I have been thinking abt getting in their illustration program for a long time and I was too lazy visit the school.recently, I made up my mind and decided to apply for it.i am planning to visit the school in the end of this month. Since u got into the school recently, I wish that u can help me out a little bit.
could u tell me how many pieces of artworks did u put in your profolio, and what're they? Did u have an interview with the people in the school? How long(how many term) did u wait to start going to school after u submit your profolio? Also, did u know that u got accepted right away after u showed them your profolio?

anyway, i want to see more of your stuff, please post more!

[van]

Thanks for posting that, Iwasink.

[Koryh]

Hey I never said it wasn't great.
It was just different.
I loved Art Center. It really prepared me for the real world.
It kicked my ass, but I needed it.

Anyway, keep having fun!!!

[Jucas]

Ink-
This stuff is looking really good, who did you say you have for head drawing?

I have Dallas Good, and he rocks, but he is also kicking my ass! Lot of work for his class. Anyhoo, I'd like to meet you. Do you go to any of the workshops? Send me a pm we can exchange information.

Take Care,
-Jonathan

[winjer]

Very nice figure drawings. Just one question, what do you use to do the thick black lines? Those have really nice line control and I need to work on that.

[I.was.ink]

J.Mac, chao, van, koryh, Jucas: THanks fellas I will keep you updated when I get some time to post.

Popeye: You definetely have to go check out the school. And bring some of your stuff that way you can show it to a councelor and see what they tell you about your work.(thats what I did) Also, it would be great if you could go on Saturday, cuz that way you could go to Kevin Chen's workshop to see what its actually like. See how Kevin does it, and see what the atmosphere is like. I submitted my stuff about a month before school started and they let you know in two weeks of your portfolio submission. Dont forget to check the scholarship deadlines too. I had 20 pieces in my portfolio, one acrylic, two oil, about thre head drawing, and the rest life drawing.

winjer: I use CONTE France 1710 2B pencils. They are sharpened to a tapered point with my exacto blade, and i hold the pencil like you hold your toothbrush, and let my knuckles glide across the page. This way you get long and graceful strokes using your shoulder and whole arm to draw, not just your wrist.

Well sorry for the late update folks, but Ive been super busy. I just noticed I haven't posted any of my perspective stuff, so I'll do that later on, but for now I have fig drawings, and some head drawings. I learn so much from going to the workshops and sitting behind Kevin and others in class who I can learn from. today Im going to make me a KChen reference sheet. So in class, I pull it out, and see how he does it, how, and why.

These are either 2, 5, or 20 min. drawings.

I did these at the workshops on friday and saturday.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig28.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig30.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig31.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig27.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig33.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig34.jpg

this is kevin's drawing he did to show me how to simplify. Its all about simplification and planes.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/kevin'sfig25.jpg

Did these last week. This one is really flat, and I don't really like it, but after this drawing I drew the next two, and on the third one it hit me. What would Kevin Chen do when drawing......? Draw PLANES!!!
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig26.jpg

a litte better
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig32.jpg

This is when the planes kicked in...
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig29.jpg

That's how Im trying to think from now on.

These are studies in my sketchbook of the masters but simplifying it into planes. http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/head4.jpg

We're now drawing more organically in my head drawing class:the result

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/head5.jpg

This is my planer self portrait, which helped me understand the head more, but was hard as hell. Cuz when looking at yourself in the mirror, you dont see planes, and lighting the planes isn't all that easy either.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/planessp.jpg

-It has a lot of problems, like the angle of the brow, nose, chin, and forehead don't coincide.
-Some of the planes just don't make sense...
-The values aren't pushed to their maximum...
-There could be more likeness...
-The ear is too small, etc...

I got a B on it, and Im happy cuz I think its B work, only one girl in my class got an A and she deserved it. Im happy that I didn't get the best grade in the class cuz all through high school, and jc I got perfect A's in art, and it was cool, but there was never really anyone to look up to, no on that cared as much as I did, and I was so happy to suck compared to her. Thats why I love Art Center, it challenges the hell out of you.:D

Well there's an update for ya. Jackson, and Randy, if you guys are reading this thanks for your help and friendship in Kevin's class. You guys rock. Y'know fellow conceptorgians, many people dont post her on ca cuz they think, "hmmm...this isn't a concept, just a fig drawing." But man! My friend Jackson and Randy are freakins sick as hell. Them and so many other people should post in the life drawing section.

So I hope you guys post your stuff some day, cuz when you do so many people will enjoy and learn from it.

Thanks for checking the post everyone. And remember, if your drawing sucks, work on your planes.

PLANES ROCK!:rock:

[aymeric]

and what kind of paper do you use for your life drawings ?

Aym

[jester]

Thanks a lot for this wonderful update. You know, I'm terribly busy with my biz myself so I only manage a daily check and a few posts but not to post any drawings (for I haven't done any for two weeks now). However, I check almost daily for updates from you and MindCandyMan and it's so great to see how you improve! I'll remember the planes! Your post was very instructive.

Jester

[Kortez]

That's an absofreakinlutely sweet update. You're progressing immensely.

You're doing great man! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[MindCandyMan]

that plane self portrait is insane...lots of work there...I need to do this as well...definitely. Great work man

[endregan]

whoa dood. your skills are crazy. im definitley going to have to try some of what youre doing... this is helping me a ton! :)

your planes and life drawings are just too good! and youve only begun. wow man...

[BadMange]

Man, these are top-notch life drawings! I definitely see Kevin Chen's influence in them, but your style stands out.

That self-portrait of your head in 3d planes is cool. You could model your head in polygons with a 3d program!

I'd like to learn about these planes you keep talking about, can you point me in the right direction? I'm not fully understanding the concept. I paged through Vilppu's Drawing Manual awhile back and remember that he has a section on this, but it's checked out of the school's library. Does Bridgeman's book explain this way of seeing/rendering?

Thanks!
-Bad Mange

[J.Mac]

Ink beautiful update! Just great work you are improving on everyhting, the proportions look much better and you are getting alikeness it is great! The plane thing is working for you on the last couple ones. The last figure is the best one "imo" it has alot going for it! Shape, line, and you got the gestault(?sp) of the figure. Your head drawing pieces are really good too! Your sp with planes is amazing i actuallty tried doing a simpler version of that b/c no one is teaching that stuff here so i was figuring out on my own. Yours is very good!!

Ink i just mailed my application to ACCD oh yeah!! and there is a portfolio review day coming up next month here in Boston, and ACCD is on the list of schools that are going to be represented there!! i am so excited.

Well enough about that keep up your posting Ink i appreciate the time you put into posting your artwork and comments. Thank you and draw on!!!

-Jesse

[JkooXL]

Yeah great progress man, very inspiring! I just got my letter of acceptance to Art Center as well!! :D I will be starting the illustration program in January. I want to really focus on Entertainment Design, and want to take the viscom stuff from the get-go but is that an option? And do you think 18 credits is suicide?

Keep up the great work, I`m sure I will meet you at Kevins workshops in January!

[amphex]

The self-portrait in planes is really awesome, must have taken a lot of time :)

im gonna go try and do some planes studies myself......yah, wish me luck =X

keep kickin ass i.was.ink :)

[DragonGX]

Hey, you're getting really good... It inspires me to try and draw more (i tend to procrastinate and never get around to drawing... :( )

[I.was.ink]

Sorrry for not updating, but I was going to do so, about an hour ago, and so Im typing, and I had written about a page or so, of text, and then to save it I copy it, but instead of copying I paste, and then I got all pissed and quit. Then My sister tells me you can undo in internet. That pissed me off even more. Stupid me. Anyways, I'll update tomorrow.

-Iwasink-

[Jeff Gran]

the planes self portriat kicks ass man. I know there's always stuff one can do better on one's drawings. Keep pushing you're improving already.

[J.Mac]

Oskar i have done that plenty of times so i hear you! I am looking forward to your post :D

-Jesse

[I.was.ink]

Hello guys. Thanks for the compliments and comments. They mean a lot to me. :)

Bad Mange, I suggest taking a look at Loomis head drawing book. He shows the planes in a few of his drawings. He breaks it down. Make sure you pay attention to the angle at which the brow, nose, lips, and chin are facing for example. That's one of the common mistakes people make. I made that mistake in my planer sp. I also suggest taking a look at Bridgman's stuff, he uses a similar method, but his is just more organic

JkooXL: Glad to hear you submitted. Get ready to work your butt off. You'll most likeyly get 15 units, and if u want you can add the extra class, but you have to learn one very important thing. Time management! It's key to getting everything done on time. Get a calendar, and timer, trust me you'll need it.

Well, last week in my head drawing class Kyle gave a great lecture on how to connect the rib cage, to the head. I suggest you guys go take a look at Kevin Chen's drawings, especially his structural contsruction drawings. He is using a lot of what Kyle showed us. The different angles that the torso, neck, and head tilt to balance each other. Many little sublteties I never really thought about.

To get a better idea of what Im talking about here's my in class notes.

I did them in blue and red-orange col-erase pencil.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head:torso.jpg
He broke it down so well, and he makes it sooooooo much easier to connect the body and torso.

Here's some drawings in my sketchbook I did as part of our homework.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/hdweek6.jpg
We have to do 40 of them. 10 from life, 10 from magazines, and 20 from masters.

Here's a drawing I did in class using this method.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/head6.jpg

For my perspective hw we have to design an object of destruction or protection. Show the object, and then off to the side give a small description, and show it in use.

So I chose protection. My idea is this little half creature-bot that has a very illoustrous glowing plant attached to his back. His purpose is to protect species from the depths of the ocean. This is how he works, he is sent down to the depths of the ocean, not knowing where he goes, controlled from land he burries into the ocean floor only leaving the plants exposed. Therefore attracting any specimen, fish, crab, or whatever. When the fish gets close enough he springs out of the ground and grabs them with tentacles. He then stores them inside the plant. once he has a few, he then surfaces and takes them back to the scientists. So by doing this he protects them from becoming exctinct, or getting harmed. Plus us humans learn about these creatures that otherwise we couldn't get too, because we can't reach the bottom of the ocean.

Well, so thats the idea, and here are some sketches.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/Perspective%20Notes/protection2.jpg
First sketches

On this page you can see on the right the overall idea, now I have to come up with a better sketch of the creature itself.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/Perspective%20Notes/protection3.jpg

right now I'm leaning towards #10. I looked at prometheus' thumbnails to get ideas, I also looked at the creatures in Metroid Prime.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/Perspective%20Notes/protection4.jpg
I'll post an update when I further the concept.

I went to Disney's California with my family, and had a pretty good time. There weren't many great or awesome rides, except for soaring over california. That ride ROCKS! But anyways, I took my sketchbook, and did studies, of things around me.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/sketch/disney%20thumbs.jpg

I'm going to go out one of these days and do some more studies of my surroundings. Everyone should do that more. :)

Well, sorry for being late again, hope you guys like what u see!:D

-Iwasink-

[ErikH]

Iwasink-

I just found this forum the other day, and last nite I sat down to read this thread. I haven't yet gone through all of your notes but I'm really digging what you're doing here. Your work, like most of the other's from Art Center is very strong and confident, and the drawings are pretty solid. What I find most fascinating, is how different this is from what I learned at SVA. You've opened up a new door for me...and I appreciate that.

Keep up the good work. Cheers.

[I.was.ink]

EricH. Glad I could help. That was one of my intentions for this thread. I want to help others help themselves. If something I post helps someone see things differently or learn something, then I'm happy. :D

If anyone needs any help, please ask. ;)

[Phuzion]

hey Oskar! nice work man. I really like those last four pages. They rock! You've got some really nice line work goin on there. Props man. Keep at it! See you later, dude! Peace

[endregan]

whoa ink! youve learnt a lot since going to art center and ontop of your skills that were really good youre building upon them even more.

these are great.. i never thought about the torso in that way. thats going to help me out for sure

[jester]

Hi Oskar,

especially the head-rib cage connection page is a revelation. Thanks for sharing!

Jester

[Kortez]

Oskar, I just love what you're doing! This is helping me tremendously. I feel that I don't get enough homework at my school, so I basically check and see what you're doing at art center and try and do that.

Kudos to you my friend, and thank you very very much for this thread :)

:thumbsup:

[BadMange]

I.was.ink - Thanks for the suggestions, I plan on going over those books Friday (no school!) and practicing. Keep posting your notes, they're a great source of info!

-Bad Mange

[sic1]

Your sp in planes just looks too awesome. It's soo cool that you're in KChen's class, that must be a lot of fun :)

Can't wait for more updates and best of luck, I.was.ink!:cool:

[I.was.ink]

Endregan, Jester: I hope the torso breakdown helps, cuz like you said jester, it was a revelation to me as well.

Kortez: That's great man! Good to see you out and about, trying harder to improve. We all need to do that.

BadMange: Lets see those studies! I think it'd be beneficial for us all. I can help you if you need it. I can learn from what you did, or the way you do it. Maybe, a pro might step in and teach us all a lesson. Show us what you got!

Sic1, and Phuzion: THanks for the kind words fellas.

Learning is fun!:cool:

YAAAAAYYYYY!!!

-Oskar-

[endregan]

Hey ink i tried using the method you have done for the torso. it works pretty well...

my only thing is i cant draw a lot of different angles. i can draw head on, and profile pretty well but all the other angles in between i cant figure too well...any suggestions?

head on over to my sketch thread i posted a couple there.

tHanks ink!

[God-Of-Zilla]

My god, this is one of the most inspirational threads I have seen in CA, thank you for posting this stuff and please keep continue this fine work you have here. :)
I will go through this thread even more tomorrow cause right now I have to hit the bed.

Awesome work. :)
Keep it up
Matthew

[JoshuaTheJames]

Hey bro,

I really dig some of these life drawings. Do you guys get a chance to do any extended poses, to really explore a drawing? Don't get me wrong I extremely value gestures, I just know there is much to learn from each of the approaches. Do they have you guys go through many quick gestures in the beginning? Anyhoo, I really love that planar study you did.

I be sure to post my new stuff as soon as I can afford my new site. Hopefully not past December.

-Joshua

[JoshuaTheJames]

lol

yo sic1,

this is so bloody distracting... http://t34m.tripod.com/images/adam/ed2.txt

-Joshua

[I.was.ink]

Heck yeah its distracting... lol...

Endregan: I see what you mean. there's no real easy answer, but but one thing that I saw about your work in your thread was that, I think you may not be paying attention to the angles of things. What I mean is, ie, you know the bridgman stuff you've been doin? Well, you see how in every single one of his drawings, something is tilting, and facing in different directions. It's kind of hard to explain, but the torso, is almost always pointing forward, where the head isn't, and its all about opposing angles. I dont know if I made sense. But another thing that will help your stuff skyrocket, is attending life drawing classes. Take a look at Kevin chen's drawings and look at his diagrams of the brake down of the body into basic geometric shapes. If one cannot draw those basic shapes well, and in perspective, then how can we draw them with muscles, and so many other things added on. Keep goin my friend! It's a tough journey, it just depends on how bad you want it. ;)

Mathew: thanks for the nice comments.:)

Joshua: the way we usually start off is with 5 min. gestures and build up from that, but also there are many students who aren't prepared for longer poses, so those will come later. There are workshops that only do long poses, and there are also ones that do only short poses. I have done 3 hr and above poses, b4. But I like I mentioned above, there's some people in my class, that can barely handle a 25 min. pose, theres no way they'll do an hr.:) We get more of those later, in an analytical fig drawing class.

I hope you get your site running, I want to see your stuff! It's been a while.

I have only a small update for this week, I forgot to scan my perspective creature, b4 i turned it in, so ill do that when i get it back, but for now, i only have these two...

25 min.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/fig35.jpg

Mr. MCM has inspired me once again!
Have you guys seen his roman soldier wip (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=870&perpage=40&pagenumber=18) It's looking dopetastic! (It's towards the bottom of the page)

So Im doing David. A sculpture by Gian Lorenzo Bernini and here's what Ive got so far, about 45 min. into it.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/david.jpg

Enjoy!

-Oskar-

[tinyhands]

I've been checking out your thread for a while now, and your making really good progress! The only thing i'd say is, on that figure, go look at it again are look at your edges. You have lots of hard and firm edges where they should be much much softer because of the forms the shadow patterns are on. Really be careful with your edges and be extra observant with them. And the bernini is looking good so far. My only gripe is that its digital and not in charcoal.(not a huge digital fan). I think doing a study like that in charcoal is a much better dexterity builder than a wacom tablet can ever provide. Either way good stuff.

[steve kim]

holy crap this is a big thread. you've been a busy bee oskar. i hope you sustain this enthusiasm for all 8 terms :).

steve

[I.was.ink]

Tiny hands: You are soooo right. Actually my teacher just told me that too. Actually, he's been telling me a lot, but lately i hadn't noticed, and it does ruin the drawing. I have to be more careful, and look out for the subtle changes that make the figure what it is. Thanks for pointing that out.:) I wanted to do the study digital cuz, i had stopped using painter for a while, and I want to get back into it again.

chumps: Yeah, you should post some stuff too.

-Iwasink-

[MindCandyMan]

Beautiful Iwasink...love the block in for the statue...fantastic! Thanks for the link too hehe. I'm still hoping we work together some day!!!

[Kortez]

somebody give this man 5 stars! I was dumb enough to delete the comment in which I rated the thread, so I can't rate it again!

we can all spare some http://www.conceptart.org/forums/images/5stars.gif

that digital painting of David is looking great, I can't wait to see more :D

:chug:

[I.was.ink]

MCM: thanks man. U really inspired me.

Kortez: Ahhh...thanks man.

Some people had asked for my stroke exercises when life drawing. So basically, I do these on an individual sheet of smooth newsprint paper. They help keep me loose and think about lineweight, rhythym(sp?) they get my arm ready for drawing. They are all done with the same pencil too. Also something that might help is to hold your pencil farther back, so you dont get to dark too fast.

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/differentstrokes.jpg

How I hold the pencil
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/pencilhold.jpg

We started working on toned paper with white pastel about two weeks ago in my fig drawing class, and I had never really liked it, but once I got used to the paper, tt became fun.

I did these with charcoal pencils and white pastel, not conte pencils, cuz they're to waxy.

25 min.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/toned1.jpg

closeup
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/tonedcloseup1.jpg

25 min.
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/toned2.jpg

http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/figure%20drawing/tonedcloseup2.jpg

Im trying to stay away from the outlines, and im being more analytical when it comes to drawing the shadows and subtle tones.

Grouping shapes together, looking at the shape of the core shadow, thinking about reflected light. Things of that sort.

Enjoy!

-Oskar-

[endregan]

awesome update..your figures awesome already!

i have never tried toned paper it gives an interesting look! I dont believe ive held the pencil like that either. interesting!

[MindCandyMan]

That looks like a great exercise doing those different strokes and such...one thing I would say to help is most apparent on the last figure. Be careful about making too harsh of a distinction between the reflected light, the shadow area, and the lit area. The edges and transitions of those tones are important. On another note it's really hard to get all that info in 25 minutes...that's for sure! Great job.

[ErikH]

I agree with MindCandyMan, there are some harsh edges there. It seems like you may have over used your white charcoal a bit... there is a lot of white on those figures, unless they were under some seriously strong halogen lights? Without actually being there its tough to judge, but I don't think the light on the chest would necessarily be as light as his legs or the other way around..

However, that's an awful lot of information to get down in 25 minutes...

another good post. well done.

[J.Mac]

Oskar you are kicking butt as usual :D it is amazing that you can get so much information down in such a short amount of time. does that come with time and practice? or is there some methods that help speed it up aswell? anyways great work man :D

-Jesse

[I.was.ink]

Good crits fellas. I'm working on that.

Ill update soon.

Sorry :(

[AmadorL]

yo ink you are out of band

[I.was.ink]

No IM not, its cuz hosts were changed so those last pics wont show unless i reupload, but i dont feel like doing that right now. But I got creatures!:D

I made a daily sketchbook thread...for the third time, man, im a slacker, but not this time, I'm going to work on it all the time.

go here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=123042#post123042) to check it out!

-Oskar-

[AmadorL]

Cool creatures Ink.....I will probably see you at Sweets presentation if you go.

A

[cateaic]

hey really nice work you got here! got a question for you...do you hold the pencil like that the whole time youre drawing the figure or do you mix it up a bit?

[I.was.ink]

AmadorL: Thanks for the compliment.
I was planning on going, but I can't cuz I have the stomach flu...:barf:

Please fill me in if when you get the chance!

cateic: I hold it like that for about 90% of the time , but I change it sometimes to get diff strokes at a diff angle, but I never hold it like one would hold a pen to write. They're slightly diff variations of the toothbrush hold.:)

[popeye]

Hey I saw your sketch thread, cool stuff! I like the bud!

I have asked some questions about the art center profolio and now a few more, I hope that u dont mind giving me some advices. And yes, I finally made an appointment with the school on next wednesday. Now the problem, how should i present it.. someone told me to mat all of my works, and some told me to mount them. so what did u do? i guess matting them will be really time-consuming and i dont really have time to do that myself. What's your suggestion?Also, what kind of case /folder did u use? i wish i could just put all my stuff in a big bag case with out matting or mounting them, but i guess this would disgrace the school..

and also, did u turn in your sketch book as well? i want to show them my sketch book but my sketch book is like my gf..what a dilemma.

i am really looking forward your suggestion, plus, please wish me luck!:)

[I.was.ink]

I didnt mat anything. They want a big portfolio they can carry and open and take a look at (Like a book). I bought a big porftolio (kinda like this one (http://www.dickblick.com/zz150/19/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=684) but not exactly) and it only cost me 30 bucks or so. All my life drawings and few paintings fit in there. I also turned in two sketchbooks with nothing but conceptart. I put those three in a bigger portfolio case, u know the ones that students put their fig drawing boards in?

Thats what I did. The councelor told me it was good and to turn it in, so I did the next week, and I was sent the acceptance letter 2 weeks after.

Hope you make it:)

[cateaic]

Thanks for the reply. I tried the toothbrush grip and I found its hard to control...does it get easier as you get used to the grip? I found it especailly hard to get hard lines. Have any tips for doing this? :)

[AmadorL]

hey Ink that Justin Sweet Demo was off the hook. Just to see how he approaches his paintings is amazing. I figured that most people start off with gestures of some type but the way he painted was totally different he just began scribbling and sculpting it with layers and layers of paint. For the most part he only used the water color brush tool in painter 6. Puddnhead was also there so that was cool, I hope that he gives a Demo there too sometime.


A

[I.was.ink]

Oh damn it!

I was sick as a dog, so I couldn't go :cry:

Thanks for the info though, did anyone take any pics? I'd like to see em.

Sorry for not updating folks, but this term is finishing up in about 3 weeks, so things are hectic. When its over I'll scan and upload A LOT OF PICS!

It's going to be a massive update! :D

-Iwasink-

[Treb]

I find this thread to be extremely inspirational. It is great seeing what one semester of Art Center can do to a person.

I know that after a hectic semester, winter break can turn into a time of complete unproductivity (one well earned), but please find time to update this thread.

[jester]

Here's another soul waiting for that update... :D

Jester

[I.was.ink]

Im very sorry guys. I promised and I didnt deliver.

Ill update soon :)

[Wilson]

I was totally going to challenge you, but mindcandyman beat me to it...*sigh*

It could have been Art Center VS. Art Center

[killing.people]

you are doing SO well man! keep kicking ass! i dont think i would be doing as well as your are! keep up the good work.
was there training prior to the art center (college)? - sorry if it was mentioned i just looked at your images.

[MindCandyMan]

wilson you should challenge him after tdome is over...just put it in the "it's finally finished" section...say you didn't get a a chance to fight him. I'd like to see