The master of evil himself (nudity)

[Carnifex]

Every now and then i have a scintillation,either when doodling around or just by some idea popping into my head suddenly.Here it was the prior case.While terribly bored in history class i doodled around a bit and suddenly this idea popped into my head.:evilbat:
Yesterday i painted it and it took me about 4 hours.Most probably i will try to colour it,but that's bit of a problem for me,since i'm no good.so if anyone wants to rip it and colour it for me,it's no problem!(although i will try it myself too)
http://www.hostmysig.com/data/carnifex/devil.jpg
comments and crits are most welcome :)

[the good war]

have you tried setting up 2 accounts ... it should be simple created 2 email addresses at yahoo or somewhere for free then start up free angel fire sites... you could set it up like an overflow system post an image on the page and post a copy of the image as a link below it so the people have a backup

[Orban]

For the second(yeah, I know there's one before :p), the perspective is completely off... create real probleme with the character since it look twisted. bigger head fit better on a demon too, the torso look too fat compared to it. The leg are badly attacher to the lower part of the body... add to the twisted look of the figure :D

Try to work you environment too, can really add something to your pic.

Otherwise : your hand is nice :)

[Carnifex]

yeah well...enviroments have never been one of my strenghts.how do you mean detached legs?maybe you could show me some paintover or something to vizualize what you mean,hm?:)
well and the body is meant to be so massive:)
more crits plz!:)

[Carnifex]

(edited)
ok,somewhere i read that i should pose specific questions to get replies,alas:
is there anything wrong with the anatomy on this piece?if yes what is it?if no,what issues are there i should watch?
thanx in advance

[Carnifex]

hellooooo,anybody there?
sorry to be that nerving,but that isn't exactly encouraging to paint on.:mad:
could someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?:(

[Signature]

could someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?Sure:
you are trying to draw! You should however learn how to draw first.

It's impossible to list all the mistakes in the images.
And you wouldn't be able to fix them anyways.

Hope that doesn't sound too harsh.
Start with easy stuff like copying drawings or with drawing basic shapes.
Read a lot to learn the theory (perspective, composition, values, ...)
Use reference as long as you are learning (You need to build a kind of library if you want to be able to draw without reference) Look at threads in the middle class (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=38). There you'll see what else you should look intoWith your post count I think you want to much too soon.

[ClocktowerArtworks]

this would be a perfect exercise for learning anatomy, in that your figure is completely nude. go to the library or the book store and get a book with full pictures of nudes and start there. references...use lots when you're learning, they are invaluable, BUT, use real photographs as opposed to other artists' work, there's a plagiarism issue, but more importantly whenever anyone draws they make mistakes, no matter how skilled, small sometimes unnoticable mistakes. when you draw from another artists' work you may learn some new things, but you will copy that person's mistakes. sorry this is so longwinded. nice start.

[Carnifex]

Originally posted by Signature
Sure:
you are trying to draw! You should however learn how to draw first.

It's impossible to list all the mistakes in the images.
And you wouldn't be able to fix them anyways.

Hope that doesn't sound too harsh.
Start with easy stuff like copying drawings or with drawing basic shapes.
Read a lot to learn the theory (perspective, composition, values, ...)
Use reference as long as you are learning (You need to build a kind of library if you want to be able to draw without reference) Look at threads in the middle class (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=38). There you'll see what else you should look intoWith your post count I think you want to much too soon.
well,i hope you don't mind me being that way,but even if i'm(yet) only seventeen,i've been drawing for about my whole life.and maybe i sound very wanton or haughty here,but if i look at this picture i don't feel like i'm a newbie in drawing.ok,enviroments aren't a strenght of mine and the seat is messed up also(but just coz i got tired),but i'd say the figure alone isn't that bad regarding muscle anatomy and stuff.i can deal well with critics,but i don't like to hear i should learn how to draw first,coz i've done it a very long time already.and just because my postcount is low that doesn't mean i don't participate or visit this forum too little.
sorry if i sound pissed off or harsh,but sometimes it's very hard not to get desperate for answers and stuff:crosseyed


edit:and btw,that first "drawing" is just to show you what doodles brought me to the actual painting,those are not to comment on.

[Marko Djurdjevic]

Carnifex,

noone want's to beat the shit out of you, but please stop excusing yourself for a piece that isn't even worth the excuse.
What Signature said is right! It doesn't matter if you're drawing all your life, ths piece simply misses everything that is worth a critique. Sorry, if this sounds discouraging, but you should wake up, before you continue dreaming.

Best
Marko

[Killer Napkins]

hes hung like a horse... btw i agree with everyone else

[Signature]

I was going to reply something like "I hope you wake up" before I saw Marko Djurdjevic's post.

I meant the post count is high. I was guessing that you get too ahead of yourself.
Learning how to draw can't be done by just drawing a lot.
I always say that theory is almost as important as practicing.

[JoShuA]

carniflex,
dude were all wip's. There are tonz of anatomy issues, with alot of your stuff, Dude I used to think I was pretty good, not a newb by any means, but I got a fella named Mike May,(Feeb, he lives in my area) to look at some of my stuff, Dude HE RIPPED ME APART. But he was being honest, and I almost thoght of giving up art, dude I dont want to get into it, but he was much more honest than "learn how to draw first"
I wanted to cry, at his crit.
but dude, there is a brightside to this story.( emotional music fades in:nopity: ) Feeb's brutal Honesty made me realize Ive got a long way to go, and that's o.k.
Carniflex, you have a long way to go too. Learn all you can read every tutorial and book on art you can find. LOOK LOOK LOOK at good art, and by good art I mean anything that inspires you. There are no shortcuts. It takes dedication and time and practice and experimentation.
Keep at it.
:chug:

[Carnifex]

Originally posted by JoShuA
carniflex,
dude were all wip's. There are tonz of anatomy issues, with alot of your stuff, Dude I used to think I was pretty good, not a newb by any means, but I got a fella named Mike May,(Feeb, he lives in my area) to look at some of my stuff, Dude HE RIPPED ME APART. But he was being honest, and I almost thoght of giving up art, dude I dont want to get into it, but he was much more honest than "learn how to draw first"
I wanted to cry, at his crit.
but dude, there is a brightside to this story.( emotional music fades in:nopity: ) Feeb's brutal Honesty made me realize Ive got a long way to go, and that's o.k.
Carniflex, you have a long way to go too. Learn all you can read every tutorial and book on art you can find. LOOK LOOK LOOK at good art, and by good art I mean anything that inspires you. There are no shortcuts. It takes dedication and time and practice and experimentation.
Keep at it.
:chug:
ok,thank you so much for the inputs so far...i have to cope with it...atleast i know what i have to do in general now(i think)...BUT
nobody has critiqued on specifically THIS piece...hearing opinions like "it has too many anatomical issues for you too fix" doesn't help me.SHOW me what i'm doing wrong there.EXPLAIN what you mean.most helpful would be a quick paintover on the correct muscle settings,but i doubt anybody will be patient enough to do that.but please,tell me in a BIT more detail what is wrong with the figure itself.composition,ok i've gotta work on that.perspective(most of the seat),ok i see that myself.but the FIGURE itself,i don't see really the anatomical issues most of you relate to.is it the arms?the legs?the body with breast and everything?please give me some more input on this one,i'd be very thankful if you could tell me more.
thanx

[ClocktowerArtworks]

alright, here goes...the head is too small, the nipples are placed in the direct middle of the pectoral area, his penis looks nothing like a penis, his abdominal muscles are too defined (use shading to define these rather than line), it's all pretty much one line weight, his thumb on his right hand is coming directly out of his wrist, his right foot has claws, but his left foot is a hoof (fine if that was your intention but i suspect that is was not due to the fact that it is the only area of asymmetry on the figure.) start there...like i said before anatomy books and life drawing. good to see you are learning to be more accepting of criticism.

[jwo]

just one question, cuz im going crazy.
who circumcised him?

[Signature]

IMO you should put the drawing away and dig it up in a few years
(to see how you think about it then)

BUT
nobody has critiqued on specifically THIS piece...hearing opinions like "it has too many anatomical issues for you too fix" doesn't help me.SHOW me what i'm doing wrong there.EXPLAIN what you mean.most helpful would be a quick paintover on the correct muscle settings,but i doubt anybody will be patient enough to do that.I think you didn't get comments on anatomy because that is not what you should work on.
Where's the horizon in this image? Where does the light come from?
There's no feeling of depth.

Saying things like "i doubt anybody will be patient enough to do that" is mean.

Go back to the basics more.
You'll be able to see the problems yourself.

If you decide to tackle the theory Creative Illustration and Successful Drawing seem to be available again
(don't know for how long though)
http://www.fineart.sk/loomis/page_01.htm
http://www.pinwire.com/loomis/SuccessfulDrawing/index.html

Good luck!

[Carnifex]

Originally posted by Signature

I think you didn't get comments on anatomy because that is not what you should work on.
Where's the horizon in this image? Where does the light come from?
There's no feeling of depth.

Saying things like "i doubt anybody will be patient enough to do that" is mean.


Good luck!
ok,i apologize for that thing,lost my nerve a bit:)
thanx for the helpful input.i will watch that when doing my next work.
well...the thing with the head.i know it may seem to small but how should i otherwise define that the body is really massive?
other than that,what exactly do you mean by "all one line weight"?
the feet...you know how these traditional pictures of the devil are,he always has that buck foot.i aimed for that.thanx in advance

[Killer Napkins]

well if u want the body to look massive .. dont make him skinny.. make him ripped like a piece of paper.. but keep the head proportional to the size of the body.. i think the arms may need some work.. they just look flat.. same with the abs.. i dunno im not much of a critiquer but i hope that helps

[Carnifex]

yeah,thanx so much for the crits.i will try to rework this piece again with reference and stuff,regarding the points that you mentioned.thank you for your time:D

[Nucleardan]

Try Gray's anatomy. Helped me out a ton.

[Vince.vda³]

Never give up, man! Just keep going at it 'cause you always keep improving. And studies are a great idea indeed. ;)
First the basics, then the rest!