Sharing the Love

[Goog]

Alright I've got a mentee here (Christian223) who thinks he can learn a thing or two from me. If anyone wants to jump on board, please send me a pm, I can probably handle one more.


Anyways, I've decided to start you (christian) off with head studies, then anatomy as a whole. I know you've already done the heads, so go ahead and post them, along with 3 or 4 heads you drew from your imagination, using the knowledge gained from the studies that you did. This will be good fun, As I am looking forward to learning a bit myself.

Also, on the heads from imagination, don't focus on features, but rather the general placement of things. This is most important.

[Christian223]

Allright!. Thanks a lot to Goog for taking the time to create this thread and share his love :)

Im going to post the heads i did before, tomorrow ill post the new heads ill do from imagination, im going to bed now, hace a nice night :)

[Goog]

Ah, those are beautiful, look forward to the heads from imagination.

For now, always map your heads in the early stages until you become proficient at drawing them without doing so. Here's a basic guide I just drew up. Whenever drawing portraits or from imagination, always start with these basics.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/Googprod/faceplacement.jpg

Sorry, it's somewhat skewed :).
since it's a crappy scan and my penmanship is nonexistent, here's the writing (with a little bit added) for the steps:

step 1: draw an oval, divide it in half

step 2: place the eyes on this division line, one eye-width apart.
-divide bottom half of the face into thirds
These thirds are: -base of nose
-base of bottom lip
-base of chin

step 3: draw a line down the face from the middle of the eyes, place the corners of the mouth on these lines.
-edges of nostrils line up with the tear ducts of the eyes.
-keep the bones and muscles of the face in mind when doing the rest.

I'm horrible at relating whats in my mind, so if you have any questions, please ask.

As always, the best way to beat these principles into your head is to do some portraits from life / self-portraits. These are your next assignments when you can get to them, but hold up on them till I get a chance to see your drawings from imagination.

[Christian223]

Awesome!, thanks for the explanation, this heads are made BEFORE seeing your explanation and AFTER the study from Burne Hogart book, sorry for the bad quality of my pictures.

I dont think i have any doubts in regards of what you wrote, its very clear, so ill just let you see what are my problems in these drawings. Thanks a lot again for taking the time. C-ya.

[Goog]

these are all quite good, the only glaring thing that I notice is that in the 3/4 view, you place one eye above the left. If the head is level with the viewer's eyes, the eyes are still going to be horizontal of eachother.


Alrighty, next is a self portrait. Make sure that before you begin, lightly map everything out, eye sockets, cheekbones, eyebrows, the basics shapes of the eyes, lips, nose, etc. The more time you spend on this stage, the better the final result will be. Make a scan of this map-out stage and post it, then go ahead and render it, scan it, post it.

[Christian223]

Allright, here are my self portraits, first i did some line only drawings, then i rendered the last one. It was specially un-confortable to do this since i had to hold the paper with one had while beign standing in front of the mirror in the bathroom, wich is not at my height, so i had to spread my legs a little bit, my neck and arms hurt :P Anyway it was a fun excersize.

I allready have something in mind to correct nextime, i start too hard with the pencil, not as light as i should.

Ill be waiting for your feedback Goog. Thanks for your time and patience!.

[Goog]

That sounds like the most uncomfortable drawing position I have ever heard of...maybe a chair would suffice?

Anyways, this is good stuff, real good stuff. Here's the nit pick crits:


1.(last portrait) Draw the ears. For the first good year of my drawing experience I neglected to draw ears, and what happens? I'm not as good at drawing ears. They also help to add likeness.

2.(last portrait) The eyes are too far apart. It seems the eye on the left side is shifted too far to the left, thus "skewing" the whole portrait. Remember, the map out steps are the most important. Keep everything as symmetrical as possible; the tops and bottoms of each eye should line up horizontally, as well as the tear ducts, and the opposite corners of the eyes.

3. Line economy: This is a strong point for you. It is good that you are using long fluid lines instead of trying to chicken scratch most of it. However, you are still using too many short little strokes in places that it gets "confusing", for lack of a better word. When you go and try to render a piece that has all of those little strokes in it, its gonna be hell. Also, a little erasing here and there never hurt anybody :).

4. Regarding proportions: no face is going to be perfectly symmetrical/proportional. I myself have a smaller chin, thus it does not consist of a whole 1/3. Bring these facts into consideration, but do not go overboard.

Next assignment might sound boring, but it is critical that this information is hammered into your head. Do another self-portait (comfortably :) ), and spend as much time as you possibly can getting everything to look perfect in the map out stage. The eraser will come in handy here. You might get frustrated on this, (I always do) but you will be reaping the benefits in the future. Post this extreme map out, and be done with it, no need to render it, we shall get there.

[Christian223]

Ok!, thanks Goog, heres the new image. It was hard, did erase many times here and there, tried to draw the ears, but with lines its kind of hard, and the hairs didnt help me see well.

I was also having problems looking up on the mirror and down on the paper, sometimes i didnt keep the rsame angle of the head and some things where drawn with inconsistent angle... got to keep remembering what angle i started with.

In the map out stage im ok, but when i have to start to put the eyes how can i know if i did the map out right?, i draw the two balls, and they seem to fit, but i look in the mirror and i cant see those two balls. The map out seems to be an easy step, but somehow after i finish the image it doesnt look as perfect as it should... this is the best i can do right now. Thanks!.

[Goog]

Please note, im anything I say right here isn't understandable, it is because about 2 hours ago i broke my collarbone and I am so pumped full; of drugs that I do believe that I am "high". Believe me, they are much needed, this is the most painful break I have ever had.



Ah, don't get down on yourself. Self portraits from life are the hardest for the very reason you stated, every time you look back in the mirror, it is a slightly different angle. When you begin to draw portraits of people and things that don't move, you will find it much easier to get a true likeness. As for the eyes , focus on individual details of parts of the eye in relation to other parts of the eye and face (which is how you should always draw when using reference). Another reason for this may be that you need a better re knowledge of the skull and how it affects the face. Another problem may be that you haven drawn in the eyelashes, which always help add to likeness. Eyes are tricky as they hav trickier contours. Draw a closeup of an eye, post it, so ypu get what i am talkin bout. But this portrait is very good it really shows that you are willing to learn here, which makes me happy.

Anyways, next assignment is a freebie to help me judge some things. Draw a person (full body) from your imagination and render him fully not using the side of your pencil. Only must is that you give him a skull for a head, you may use reference for this part, but the rest, don't. I just want to see what you know about muscles and bones. Also, in the future, every now and then in your spare time draw faces from reference. It will not only increase your skills in portraiture, but will add a repertoire of different features to your drawings from imagination. Cheers mate!

[Goog]

oh. and one more thing on the eyes... they are too small for the the eye sockets of the skull. Take your hand and literally touch your your eye and feel how big it is compared to the socket, compare the edges of the eye lids, etc.

[Rabbi Satan]

Hello goog, thanks for letting me join in, I really appreciate it.

Drawing heads and faces is my weak point, as I've never really done them with much regularity, I always used blank heads and faces for my figures, and I focused more on the main body and limbs.

But here they are, sorry if they're not up to standard, I'm still new at all this.

Btw, these were all done from imagination, not from any reference.

[Goog]

Rabbi: I noticed that you are also in Concrete's class. I do believe both of us will be covering the same aspects (anatomy), so if you could just stay in his class, and let someone else pick up my "class" as I can only take one more on (I have gotten other messages from people who want in). I see that you are eager to learn so when I take on more (or different) people, you will be first in line if you want in.


Basically what I'm saying is, you don't need more than one mentor, because some people don't have any.

[Rabbi Satan]

Ok, no problem goog, I'll just stick with ConCrete for now then. I guess I was a little too over eager :) I'll quietly bow out and leave my spot for someone else who also needs to learn, I guess I should've thought of that and been more considerate before joining in.

Thanks for having me :).

[Christian223]

Sorry to hear that Goog, i hope you get well soon, at least you are having fun with the drugs :) heh.

Here are some eyes and heads just to show i was busy. I studied not much about anatomy, i only copied some drawings but i must say i didnt learn much from that, and most of all im having problems with giving volume and that 3d sense to the pose wich is the thing that most bothers me, i can show you other poses that i did in the past if you want, they are almost of the same quality as this one. The proportions suck too, i know... it frustrates me very much and i did it without much effort, so if you want a more finished version just ask and ill do it. Thanks again for your patience!.

[Jonny Dark]

you might find this page helpful...

http://fineart.sk/photos/figure/158.JPG


its from andrew loomis' "figure drawing for all its worth" I highly recomend it. you can find the rest of the book here (http://fineart.sk/index.php?s=0&cat=12)

[Goog]

ah, those eyes are great, but I see that your anatomy lacking, at least in a proportions. Here's your next assignment, and it's a short one so get it done quickly. Using a loomis or hogarth book, draw the correct proportions of a male figure 3 times. With each successive attempt try to get the proportions better and better. cheers mate!

[Christian223]

Thanks a lot for the link Jonny Dark, very usefull and convenient.

Goog, heres what you asked me, the first one didnt come out so well, and the second one really surprised me, came out much better than espected, the third one came out like that because my brother had to go to sleep and i hat to turn the lights off, this made the pencil lines hard to see, and i wanted to give it to you tonight so we can advance faster. Thanks for your patience Goog, have a nice night.

Edit: oh i just noticed the date i used, heheh, i guess im a bit sleepy :P, i did it today 29/11/07

Reference http://fineart.sk/show.php?w=896

[Goog]

ah, those are fantastic. Doing more than one is always better for you because you can apply what you learned from doing stuff wrong in the first one. Anyways, continuing with the anatomy, Draw a full skeleton in the same pose, then draw the outline of the body around it. I'm doing this so get an idea of how the skeleton affects the outcome.

[Christian223]

Thanks!. Heres waht you asked, i look forward to you next instructions, thanks a lot!.:anime:

[Goog]

alright, the only thing that really stands out to me here is that in some places you have the skin stretching to far away from the bone. In many places, like the shoulders, elbows, knees, ankles, etc. you can easily see the definitions of the bones on a person. In other words, the skin hugs the bones in some places. Use yourself for reference, just touch you shoulders, elbows, etc and you'll see. So keeping that in mind, do that same thing one more time. Also, if you can find the time, do some close up studies of a nose and a mouth from reference, does not matter if they are your features that you are drawing.

[Christian223]

Ok, heres again with the bony parts closer to the skin. How is your collarbone going? i hope better. Thanks again Goog! im going to do some noses, mouths, etc now.

Reference used: http://fineart.sk/show.php?w=926

[Goog]

better, look forward to those studies. Also, you wouldn't happen to have any books that show you the muscles would you?

[Christian223]

Ok, here are the studies of noses, mouths coming later. The only book i have right now is the one of faces by Burne Hogarth, i have the muscles of the face there, and i there is also Loomis books online, it has muscles there too, but im going out now to see if i can find any nice anatomy book, maybe i can get Bridgmans, we will see. Thanks, take care.

[Goog]

ope, sorry mate, I should have been more specific. Try to draw the mouth of a real person, whether it be from a picture or life, does not matter. Anyways, noses look good, great for perspective etc. Let me know what anatomy book you end up with, cheers!

[Christian223]

Ok no problem, i even learned a couple of things :)

I went to many libraries and they didnt have much, only loomis mostly, maybe i can get Bridgman next year, so for now ill stick to loomis, its quite good in my opinion anyway.

Here are a few mouths, i grabed the mirror again and started observing monstly, the shapes that the mouth can be in si almost infinite so i only drawed the standard "pose" of the mouth, i learned quite a bit. I want to add that i am amazed by how much i improved since last year, not that i am a master, but i think i am not a total beginner anymore haha! :D And let me thank you again for giving me this excersizes, its a good motivation to learn and study new things.

Ill be awating your feedback and new assignements, thanks a lot!.

[Goog]

good, good. I am glad to know that you feel you are learning, and glad that I can help. Regarding the anatomy books, I might be able to find some Bridgman online, I'll let you know if I do. Anyways, on to the next assignment: do a self-portrait at 3/4 view, and draw some figures out of your loomis book. Remeber to always keep you pencil sharp.

Tips on the self-portrait: start off with the layout, and as you continue on, hold your drawing next to the mirror and compare, kind've like those "spot what's different between these two pictures" games in newspapers. Try not to move your head!

BTW, you mentioned somewhere that you were taking classes once a week with some guy. How's that going?

[Christian223]

Ok, i just wanted to tell you that i wont be able to give the asignement to you until the 12 or 13 next week, since i have been busy and i wont have my camera available until next week.

The classes im taking are going good, i started in july i think and i learned a bit about colors, light and shadow, perspective, a little bit of anatomy, we are going to draw a nude this monday but we almost never do, we mostly focus on imagination stuff (you can see some of the things i painted in my sketchbook), he never asked me to copy something from life as you do, not a bad thing because i think it made me strengthen my creativity :lifedrawing: Have nice weekend!.

Edit: i just found some bridgman books online for free in this thread, only bad thing is the quality of some the images
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94571

[Christian223]

Got my camera back, and with it a new self portrait. I have run into a few problems, the glasses i use make it hard to see my eyes because of all the glares and reflections, and if i take them off i cant see well because i cant get close enough to the mirror and draw at the same time, it was a good and very frustrating excersize, i assure you i did it many times, and i specially took my time in the layout. The worst part was when i compared the drawing and the mirror, thats when i realize that i made so many mistakes, over and over, so frustrating... i reached the point where i cant see how to fix it anymore, i think the likeness is 70%, not bad i guess. I wasnt sure if you wanted only outline, so i did a slight shade on it, tell me if you wanted it in another way.

Just in case you missed the other post, i found some bridgman books in this thread http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94571

Question, what kind of figures should i draw?.

[Goog]

Good, good, it's looking fine, despite being a little skewed. Tip: constantly compare your drawing to what you are supposed to be drawing, put them right next to each other to get a better feel of what is off if you need to. Always be reassessing what you have put down on paper. Anyways, as for figures, just start cranking them out right away. I personally hate drawing stuff I see on a computer screen, so if you want to use your Loomis books instead of the online Bridgman stuff, go ahead. Remember, the more the better. Oh, and draw a face from a picture, doesn't have to be big or too detailed.

[Christian223]

Got it, thanks Goog.

Here are some figures, from reference of Loomis mostly, the last one is from Bridgman, and there are only a couple from imagination in the last page i did from Loomis; i didnt forget about the picture by the way, thats comming next. Thankyou and have a nice weekend.

[Goog]

mmmmmm, those are so yummy. One thing you need to look out for is making the rib cage too big. In a few of these, the rib cages are waaay too big. other than than that these are looking real good. Do some more, but this time only do a few, and add all of the necessary muscles, skin, etc. Also, don't let these studies let you get bored with drawing, mix it up with some fun stuff, which would be whatever you like to draw :).

[Christian223]

Excellent, thanks, im going to draw some of that now. Heres the face i owed you. I like how it turned out, not perfect, but ok.

Reference:
http://http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5113/beniciodeltorocheguevara120bs.jpg

[Christian223]

A few figures with muscles and all as you asked, thankyou.

[Goog]

good, good. Remember the more you do, the better you get. With that in mind, have you seen this (http://www.posemaniacs.com/pose/thirtysecond.html) before?
Go to that site and do as many 60 sec. drawings as time allows.

[Christian223]

Ok, i have been making many drawings from posemaniacs, most of them are really bad, and i have been making two types, one of 30 secs poses without looking at the drawing, just drawing the silouette (first one), and the other is actually trying to copy poses in 60 secs (second one), wich of the two should i do?, im not sure if the first one is such a good idea, i dont know... and the last one is what i have been working on, trying to copy anatomy from bridgman and loomis, and now im going to paint it. And thats it, thankyou. :lifedrawing:

[Goog]

Regarding Posemaniacs, do the latter, you just learn more when you actually study it. Bump the time up to 90 seconds if you need to.

That last drawing is looking real nice man, solid muscle structure, love the bg as well. I find that the thing that really makes or breaks a pose is the hips. In that pic, for some reason, you have twisted the pelvis towards the viewer a bit, and stuck the leg out at a really awkward angle. I dare you to try to stand up, try that pose, and stick your leg out at that angle (I tried it, and fell :D). I think the main reason you did this was to try to balance the individual.

Here is what I mean, on the left is my example, on the right is what yours looks like:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/Googprod/leg.jpg

If you applied the leg on the pose I did to the pose you did, he would be falling over. This is because his ribcage is oddly tilted bacwards and to the right. When drawing a human on an even plane what has his weight shifted to one leg, you should be able to draw a straight line from the head to the feet and be able to go through the midsection pretty close to the belly-button. Also, always keep in mind which leg is receiving the weight of the individual. That leg needs to be going straight down, locked in place, if not, the person will fall down.

Here (http://www.angelfire.com/art3/kchendemos/) is a bunch of examples to show you. There's also alot of yummy information regarding heads on there. note: that page contains nude models, no pictures though, just the drawings...didn't know if you require a warning.

[Christian223]

Thats a lot of info, too much actually, loomis, bridgman, Hogarthm ufff :) lots of things to study, thanks. :asskisser:

I have been doing tons of posemaniacs at 90 seconds and on this painting, im working on a 90 degree stand where i put the A4 paper, i never did that before and when i started my arm hurted a lot, i think this is a good excersize, now it doesnt hurt so much but after a few minutes i have to take some rest, anyway here are just two of the last ones i did, i think i got a little better... well thats it i think, thankyou.

[Goog]

OOoooo, that paint is looking sweet, bet you never thought you'd be getting a workout while making art :).

That guys pose is awesome, you've given him a good sense of weight. As for anatomy, it's looking good, but be careful of the muscle placement on the legs. Remember, muscles both contract and extend. In the leg lifted up on the guy's back, the muscles on his that thigh appear contracted. They should be extended however, because the lower leg is at a 90 degree-ish angle in relationship to the thigh, thus making the muscles on his upper thigh stretch (or extend). When drawing muscles always take into account whether or not they should be flexing.

Glad to see that you are doing more of the posemaniacs, good stuff.

Try and see if you can do some leg studies from Bridgeman. BTW, the colors on that paint are real nice. Cheers mate!

[Christian223]

Hello sir, i hope you dont mind i took so long to reply, i have been making tons of poses (a lot) from Posemaniacs, and i didnt want to show them because... they are boring and they all look crappy, and besides that i have been painting that painting from before, wich i have finished, and heres the legs studies you recommended me to do, well, thats it, thanks as allways :) :android:

[Goog]

Ack, sorry I took a bit to reply as well, I've been rather sick lately :(.

Anyways, those studies are beautiful. The best you've done so far I'd say, a huge leap. No crits on them.

Now to test if you really studied what you were drawing!

Draw me one man, full body, no clothes, from imagination. No reference, pose doesn't matter, although it'd be good to have him standing.

Lets see what you've got!

[Christian223]

Ok master, heres the new drawing you made me do :), to tell the truth, i felt a little dissapointed, i thought i learned more, but, i got to tell you, when i was drawing from Bridgman, very often i got the feeling that i didnt quite understand what i was drawing, i mean, i didnt really understood the 3d shape of the form i was drawing... maybge i should read some of Bridgman, because i just tried to study the drawing without reading anything of what was written in the book, myabe it would have made a difference.

Well, thats it i think, i still got a long way to go so ill keep pushing myself, thanks a lot for your time, i appreciate it, and i hope that you get better soon, dont take too many pills ;)

[Goog]

not bad, lines are a little scratchy.

Here's the main thing you need you work on:
You seem to have a good basic sense for the skeleton, but not necessarily where the muscles attach to these bones. Do some more studies in bridgeman, but before you draw them, really pay attention to what is going on, look for muscle masses and how they perform. Cheers mate!

[Christian223]

Hi Goog, how is your health going?, i got a little sick too, but im better now, anyway, here are some more studies and a couple of bodies without reference, i did learn a few things, but the change i notice most now is the lines i do, i do them differently now, i started some practice with colored pencils and i used a black color pencil, and i started to make scribbles like crazy, and swooshy lines and stuff like that, this pencil has a different feel, its more broad and it just feel different, and i think that change helped me a bit, anyway, this is what i did, thanks for your time.

[Goog]

Beautiful!!!

You've certainly been getting better, love the progress, makes me feel all giddy inside :). As for my health, I've bee suffering from the flu for about a month now, symptoms arent serious, it's more of an annoyannce. Glad to hear you are feeling better :).

Regards to the drawing, I have this really important lesson I want to share with you that I think will put alot more life into your drawings, but I'm at school right now, and don't have the materials with me. Just know its coming, sorry for the short wait. For now, I want to see you render something to the finish. Start a new figure with the mindset that you are going to take it to completion. Spend a good amount of time on this drawing, a minimum of 1 hr. Remember, that is a minimum. I believe you have enough knowledge of anatomy now that you can start thinking about what direction you want your style to go as far as hatching and rendering techniques. Like the loose style as well, your stroke economy is much better.

cheers mate!

[Christian223]

I was thinking you had a something related to your collarbone, glad to hear its just a flu. Heres the drawing, im going to do another one of this though, the pencil i used at the start was too strong, i should have started lighter, mhhhhhhh... well, ill wait for that important lesson you told me, no problem :), thankyou.

[Goog]

Ah, yeah, my collarbone is all good and dandy by now, thanks for askin!

As for the drawing, that's not exactly what I meant by rendering, but we'll get to that later. One noticeable problem I see is your feet. There are alot of good feet drawings here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26748&page=16)
for you look at. I don't know if you have found that thread, but it's a wonderful resource. Also, make what you can of this page (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26748&page=23), much of the stuff regarding balance and gravity, its located about halfway down the page.

Anyways, regarding the one thing I wanted to show you, thats gonna have to wait til' tomorrow...I searched for hours to find the same source that I got it from, but to no avail. I'll try to recollect my thoughts on the subject and try to show you that way. For now, just have some fun drawing figures, keeping in mind weight and balance. Cheers!

[Christian223]

Ok, long time no see, i confess i have not been drawing as i should, but im back on track now. I have been studying from the other book of Bridgman called The human machine, that book has a better way of showing muscles and bones, where they connect, what they do, it shows many different angles, better than constructive anatomy in my opinion, these new drawings are from that book, its a shame though that the copy i have has a very bad image quality though, sometimes its imposible to see the drawing. Again, im really appreciate your time, thanks, oh and those links you gave me, awesome, thanks a lot, i do remember seeing them before, but i never really studied them, those drawings are are wonderfull.

[Goog]

Whew, I was afraid that you had disappeared on me. These studies are good, I'm relieved to hear that your beginning to understand muscles and their structure. Judging from these recent studies, I've got a new method of "studying" I want you to try out. First, draw something out of the book, then over the same drawing that you did, trace what you drew. You're going to need some rather thin paper to do this. Think of it like you're doing Math homework. You do a problem, then you check (in this case trace) in the back of the book to see if you did it right. Hope this makes sense :).

And don't bother thanking me, I just want to see people grow.

[Christian223]

Ok, i just think that taking the time to dedicate to people you dont know to help them to get better is something great, you could be working, sleeping, doing other fun stuff, but you choose to help, thats awesome, thanking is the least i can do.

So, i used the same A4 i allways use, its enough i think to see the drawing below, and i did some copyes of this skeleton and torso, are those ok?. The way i did it is this, i copied the original as best as i could, then i traced over it, thats it.

[Goog]

awsomeness. Now time to see if this method actually helps you learn to "see" what you are drawing. Rate yourself on how close you got to the actual thing based on the tracings, from, say, 1-10. Now do a few more of these and see if you progressed any. Also, I just remembered that I forgot about the important lesson. It's going to be in my next post, I swear :oneye: !

[Christian223]

Im anxious for that lesson! :D
And here are a few more studies, this really really helps for memory and i recommend it to everyone watching, its great, thanks a lot. Well, ill do other parts of the body with this new way to study, while i wait for the lesson, thanks!.

[Goog]

yay! so I guess it works :). Glad you feel your knowledge is growing.

Here's the lesson, as promised:

This has to do with muscles. To obtain more fluid and grounded muscles, there is this "guideline" that I like to follow. (not that it is not a rule). But it goes like this: At certain points in the muscular structure of an arm, leg, etc. one muscle is flexed and will be convex, which means that the opposite muscle will contrast with the right side and be concave.

Here is a Bridgman drawing to illustrate:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/Googprod/curves.jpg

Next assignment, Draw some faces from reference. Cheers mate!

[Christian223]

I see, im going to try to apply that when i do that kind of stuff, thanks. Here are some faces as you asked.

[Goog]

mmm, nice faces. Looking at these now begs the question, what do you want your final drawings to look like? post a link or two here to show me the basic direction you want to be headed in. These faces here are definantly an improvement than when we first started. Next project: try a pose from imagination that was not in any of the anatomy books you have studied. Take your time, and really think about muscle structure, proportion, etc. Don't forget about those links!

[Christian223]

Well, i really dont know many people who paint and draw, but i like N. C. Wyeth very much.

http://www.electricedge.com/greymatter/images6/wyeth3-350.jpg

I am not sure if i know how do i want my final drawings look like exactly, i just want them to look nice... im not sure. Here are some artist i would like to be "imitate":

Howard Pyle
http://giam.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/ncw_ms_x.jpg

Josh Kirby http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Equal_Rites_full.jpg

And i also really like the art of a person that visits this forums too http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42645&page=12

I like the 3dish effects, vivid colors, and the expression in the faces of Loomis, and the movement that Josh Kirby has, i dont know if that helps.

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And heres the drawing, any tips?, critiques?, thankyou.

[Christian223]

Just making sure the thread gest bumped, maybe you come by subscription, and the edit didnt made the thread updated, just making sure you are informed the update, thanks.

[Goog]

No, I meant drawings, not paintings. What do you want your pencils to end up looking like?
As for the guy sitting down, you need to bend his torso more to fit the pose. Try doing that pose with you're back perfectly straight, it just doesn't work. Also, you have a great sense of perspective for his right leg, but his left has none at all, for some reason it is in the profile view, which doesn't work with the pose. Also, his right arm dwarfs his pectorals, which shouldn't be happening. And lastly, the abs just don't look right. They look like a plastic shield is in place of where his abs are supposed to be. Remember, they're muscles too that bend and flex just like any other muscle. This drawing does show me that you're starting to get a good sense of anatomy, which I like to see. Cheers mate!

[Christian223]

More Drawings, thanks.

Here are some drawings i like:

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=80126&page=5 not that i enjoy animals in particular, but i really like the movement, the "sense of flesh", it looks so real, great.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109967 just awesome, i would really like this artist skills.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41493&page=4 in this one, the shading techniques makes me feel as if i can touch it, very 3d i think, i really like it.

I hope thats enough to give you an idea, if it isnt you may want to ask something more specific, thankyou!.

[Goog]

Aight, thats some good stuff. From now on, I want you to at least partially render all of your drawings, and I'll try to give crits to get you headed in the right direction. These studies are lovely, although I'd like to see more hands. I forget who it was, but some famous artist said, "If you can get the face and the hands to look right, people will forgive you for the rest." Cheers mate!

[Christian223]

Yikes, sorry to keep you waiting, i have been busy, very much, and ill be just as busy in the future so maybe i wont be able to update very often, anyway heres the update, thanks a lot.