Is Concept art really ART?

[Rist]

As this is 'Conceptart.org' i find I should ask this. Do you guys believe this way of creating things links to 'Post-modernism'? Like you see a Damien Hirst or a Jeff Koons and automatically link it to the post-modern art world. But do you think Concept art, or Concept design however you call it, is also during this period?

What i am trying to get at is we the CA design/sketch/paint an item/environment/character for a company, whether we are contracted for one image or a full project it does not matter, do you think we could be referred to as a Post-modern movement? POP-Art was and that was directly influenced by commercial illustration.

I believe we are in the sense that we were effected in some way by the modernist period, whether it was ideas or technology.

I would really love to see some pro's trying explain their views about this topic.

If this has been discussed then please also point me to the thread where it was.

[D.Labruyere]

I'm not a pro, but I am going to give you my opinion.

In the first place: what is post-modernism? Is there really anything that describes post-modernism? All the term says it is the period after modernism, without actually saying what it is, what they stand for or what they do. All it says is that you have to make up your own mind about what is art.

What do I think is art:

A painting/statue or whatever which is able to convey an idea, wether the idea is a kick-ass orc who kicks someone's butt or an abstract painting over the meaning of life, using the technique and knowledge you have learned over the years.

So in my opinion: yes, conceptart is art. It makes something vissible from an idea in a way it looks the way it has to, using the techniques and knowledge the painter/conceptartist or whatever you want to call it know.

Well, I am not able to explain as clear the things I want to say because of the language barrier, but I think this should be understandable

[Goog]

food for thought: there was a gallery near where I live that had an exhibition for exclusively anime/manga art.

[dfacto]

Conceptart is art. It's not fine-art, and it's not postmodernist art, which in itself is so vague it'd be bullshit if there weren't artists running around labelling things with the term.

[Farvus]

Is fine art really art? (sorry, I have weird sense of humour today)

[Brendan N]

haha, farvus!

Odds are that we have already started moving out of post-modernism into something new, we just haven't realised it yet. Concept Art itself is a broad term, and strictly speaking could apply to anything with a concept, whether commercial or not.

I wouldn't try to classify concept art as modern or post-modern, since it does, for the most part in any case, not try to comment on the art world. It is low art (mostly), and is therefore less modern than anything else. If you absolutely had to classify it, have it post-modern - CA is not that elitist and is pretty inclusive.

But I think that's really not the point of 99.9% of concept art on here.

anycase, just my thoughts...

[Dile_]

is conceptart.org really deviantart.com ?

[dfacto]

Soon, Dile_, soon.

[Seedling]

I would really love to see some pro's trying explain their views about this topic.

I'm a professional artist. Why should I care if what I make is considered art or not? I enjoy making it, and I am paid reasonably for it. Why should I need anything else?

[s.ketch]

Is posting the the lounge art? If it is, then I am a professional.

[corky13]

Soon, Dile_, soon.

Not as soon as we are here , armed with pencils and brushes and latest tablet technolgy and the knowledge how to use em !

[Elwell]

I would really love to see some pro's trying explain their views about this topic.

You will find that most pros would rather swallow live rats and have them gnaw their way back out than get involved in discussions like this.

[Barts]

i would liek to watch that elwell

[JL.Alfaro]

Is Concept art really ART?

I dont think its fake.:shrug:

[corky13]

i can`t resist ... urgh...

Okey :P

What is Art ? I have a nice Quote in my signature wich i guess it is true. Also i think that art also has something to do with comunicating with the experiencers/audiences emotion. Concept Art does this. A certain shape , a certain detail , the whole form of something is created in order to comunicate with emotions. (not with knowledge like maps or plans..thats INTENDED to be sterile).

The only question that remains is if my view of art really is art...you can`t be certain...

and thats why this thread is useless...

[Alzorath]

I always viewed Concept Art as a branch of illustration honestly... which imo is "art", and even though it's "Commercial Art" - the ability for expression is still present in the field, and is somewhat what divides the "good" from the "great" (at least imo). I view areas such as Illustration (and related fields) - as a much greater "art" than the "Fine Arts" over the past 50 years. (Of course, I'm a fan of Romanticism and NeoClassicism...so yea)

[Stark]

Is a diamond encrusted skull art?

[Robert.B]

Is the grass greener on the other side?
If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound?
Whats inside a black hole?
If peter piper picked a pack of pickled peppers.........
Hey was duchamp full of crap when he said a urinal was art?
If drawing is the act of line, inprint, and motion am I drawaing everytime i walk through snow?
Is postmodernism a dated movement, isnt this post post modernism?
Why dont people like to discuss politics and religion in the company of strangers?
Can we add labeling the chaotic and multi subjective nature of art to that social rule?
What is art?

[DavePalumbo]

You will find that most pros would rather swallow live rats and have them gnaw their way back out than get involved in discussions like this.

once again, you've taken what I would say in 10 sentences and worded it so elegantly in one.

[Pezz]

http://www.toastyfrog.com/verbalspew/uploads/fountain.jpg

Is this art? :P This argument get so so old

[Rist]

Thanks guys for posting. It seems you have the exact same view as I do! I have to write an essay on post-modernism and I hate writing about, well, 'fine' art. i would love to write about concept art or just illustration in general. I think i made this topic to find if i could have a rational excuse to just write what 'I' wanted rather than what some bigwig in an office would dictate with curriculum. What the brief asks is to write an essay explaining what post-modernism is, it can be architecture, fine art, graphics. But does Concept art or illustration work within this brief.

I thought I would explain "why" I made this useless thread...

[zypher18]

art is just doing something well. Bad concept art = bad art. Good concept art = good art. So lets pick up our pencils and draw, dammit!

[steve kim]

omfg can we get some size restrictions on sigs or what? as visually inclined people how can we let such a thing pass?

[Elwell]

Giant signatures are very postmodern.

[Brendan N]

as is Comic Sans.... :(

[MidgardSerpent]

You will find that most pros would rather swallow live rats and have them gnaw their way back out than get involved in discussions like this.
I suppose that's true, why discuss when you can simply use performance art and show? :)

[SpookSquad]

You will find that most pros would rather swallow live rats and have them gnaw their way back out than get involved in discussions like this.

:D So true. Good times.



But seriously though. I'm thinking if you have to ask if a certain type of art, is really art...that answers part of the question.

I love all sorts of art, including Fine Art and Illustration. It's all art. To me, "concept art" is so obviously art, that I didn't even realize this particular area was even being debated. Hmm.

[SpookSquad]

omfg can we get some size restrictions on sigs or what? as visually inclined people how can we let such a thing pass?



Okay, good. I wasn't the only one visually startled as I was scrolling down the thread. :)

[lumar]

no, concept art is mostly roast duck

[Jason Rainville]

the word 'art' in 'concept art' does not actually mean art at all, it means 'snacks.' Therefore, concept art is the field in which 'artists' provide snacks to game and movie developers to keep their spirits high.

It's like a cheerleading squad, with snacks.

[alice_]

I don't think that the question of whether 'concept art' is art or not is relevant to the idea of post-modernism. You can apply post-modern theories to the content and production of concept art though and make a case for it being post modern or whatever. The idea of 'media studies' is all about being post-modern, and games/films/books are most definately media. There's loads of books about that stuff, if you can handle the stomach wrenching pointlessness.

If you are writing an essay then wikipedia is an excellent place to start looking for more legitimate references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

[Rist]

I don't think that the question of whether 'concept art' is art or not is relevant to the idea of post-modernism. You can apply post-modern theories to the content and production of concept art though and make a case for it being post modern or whatever. The idea of 'media studies' is all about being post-modern, and games/films/books are most definately media. There's loads of books about that stuff, if you can handle the stomach wrenching pointlessness.

If you are writing an essay then wikipedia is an excellent place to start looking for more legitimate references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism


Thanks Alice! I think yours was the only useful post below my main post. i think you hit the donkey on the head and I think I should consider an essay to do with media and concentrate on how these post-modern companies get out their creative ideas using concept artists and other key specialists.

Thanks guys, this will be enough.

Stevekim I reduced a word size for you, just for you *wink*

[ODISAP]

rhineville:... ok?

Art is making something out of virtually nothing.

[alesoun]

I used to set essays. I used to tell my students "say what you're going to say; say it, then summarise it"
So; first paragraph,- define post-modernist art; define concept art.
Second paragraph; compare the two.
Third paragraph; summarise and come to conclusion.


Good luck! I'm glad it's you, and not me.....