Woman Model sketch

[Duchess]

Here's some more practicing, I like to show whatever I do, gives me a feeling of accomplishment since I feel I'm improving lil by lil, feel free to comment.
Oh and if someone can tell me how to get more than one pic up in same thread, that'd be great
http://home.comcast.net/~musiknote/wsb/media/238211/site1031.jpg

[Duchess]

Im sorry, I'll get the real sketch up, MY BAD!!!

[daniela]

Did you make a mistake or something? This is the same pic as in the Freddy Fingers post. Check your links.

Edit: Nevermind. You must type faster than I do. Maybe when you get the right pic up I will give you a critique if I have time tonight.

[Duchess]

This is right!!! Sorry again
http://home.comcast.net/~musiknote/wsb/media/238211/site1029.JPG

[daniela]

Alright, lets get down to it. Overall, it's not that bad a drawing when you consider every factor at once (for example, shading, highlighting, etc). The face looks deformed, though. The mouth is too low, the nose looks off center, and the cheekbones do not match in shape and size. There may be more wrong, but I do not have the time to list them here. Maybe someone else can tell you more. What you might want to do is get some books on anatomy or drawing the face and get info on proportions and where to place the features. Sorry to rush off, but I have work to do. BTW, IMO this drawing is an improvement compared to the Freddy Fingers pic. Keep striving to improve!

[Duchess]

Hey Daniela, i appreciate critiques here and there, as I stated before, I am Practicing as I haven't done in awhile, But I seemed to notice after looking at your profile that you don't have any sketches, Only critizing other peoples pics, Where's Yours?

[daniela]

Just because I don't post my sketches doesn't mean that I don't have them. My scanner isn't the best in the world and everything that I have scanned into my computer, be it in either pen or pencil, does not show up very well. My photograph editing programs do not help; they only make it worse.

Since you read my profile, you must have seen that under occupation I wrote "pounding the pavement." What do you think that meant? I do not have the money to buy a better scanner, nor can I get Photoshop or something similar. I have been working off of free trials that take over 4 hours to download, and at the moment I do not have time to re-download them.

Do you like to make fun of poor people? Many people who visit here are in the same boat as me. Just because I don't have money doesn't mean that I don't have standards, and I refuse to post some crappy low res scans that do not do my sketches justice just because some crybaby like you does not like my critique. So what if I was a little harsh? Get used to it. I do not have time to sugarcoat every single comment that I make in this forum. You said you were practicing, and I critiqued the piece accordingly. If you hadn't pissed me off, I may have gone back later and said a few nice things when I had more time.

In my AP art class back in high school, someone like you would have been laughed right out of the class for not taking the critiques of their peers and trying to improve your work from it. I learn more by just visiting this forum than you ever will by posting your art if you cannot take a harsh critique.

I have worked hard since I was in second grade to improve my drawing abilities, and when I finally am able to post some of my drawings here, you may be very suprised at what I have been holding back!

Go to Elfwood if you want everyone to tell you what a "wonderful artist" you are and that they want to be "just as good as you someday." If you cannot take harsh criticism, you do not belong here. I will take any negative crits much better than you have when it is my turn.

Oh, I almost forgot, go look up this word in the dictionary since you don't know what it means: RESPECT. You could have asked me nicely why I don't have any sketches instead of implying that I am too chicken to post them. You probably just wanted to see if I had put up a piece just as crappy as yours that you could put down.

You are the second jerk to come along and ruin my enjoyment of this quality site. I may just have to leave this forum and go somewhere else that doesn't let in people that are as immature as you are. Having two children and being in art school does not make you superior to anyone. There are plenty of artists here that are better than you who have never even seen the inside of an art school, and they are definately more humble than you are (life long talent in art? - I read your profile too).


To everyone else who visits this thread: Sorry for posting my answer to Duchess' little comment here, but I had a feeling that she might ignore a PM. I will not have anyone putting me down without knowing the first thing about me.

[Jeff Gran]

whoa there daniela. Someone here is jumping to conclusions, being overly defensive and immature, but it's you, not Duchess.

Oh, I almost forgot, go look up this word in the dictionary since you don't know what it means: RESPECT. You could have asked me nicely why I don't have any sketches instead of implying that I am too chicken to post them. You probably just wanted to see if I had put up a piece just as crappy as yours that you could put down.

seriously, just chill out. she did ask you nicely. He said, "I seemed to notice that you don't have any sketches up, where's yours". That was not rude or malicious. You must be very insecure to jump so quickly to defensiveness about things ranging from being poor to thinking all she wanted to do was put you down.

It's people like YOU, daniela, who blow things out of proportion and rant for no reason about unrelated things, who disgrace the name of this community. Chill.


and Duchess, she's a LITTLE bit right...you asked for comments but said you only want crits "here and there". What does that mean? A crit is a crit. Art is for people to look at, and even people who don't draw know what they like and what's good or bad. so take what comments you get, they're all helpful, even if you disagree. and lastly, keep practicing. the more the better. good luck

[daniela]

Oh please. The implications are clear. Duchess resents the fact that I am criticizing her work. I have been put down by people like her all my life and I am sick of it. If she or anyone else thinks she is not guilty, I am sorry, but I will not be walked on by anyone. I know these last posts should have been put into a PM, but a lot of people ignore them when they don't know the person. I know I do. And maybe I am a little defensive, so what? Do you realize how much it hurts me to see others be able to post here and get advice on their work, and I cannot? In the morning if I am in a better mood I may edit my messages and put the contents into PMs, but unless a mod decides different, they will stay the night until I get over a little of my bitterness. This is for me and Duchess to work out if she feels like it, and I will edit these posts soon.

I am sorry to hijack your thread like this Duchess, but next time have a little more tact and be more patient if you don't want to piss the high strung people like me off (there are more than a few here - you know who you are!). I really was going to expand on the good things that I alluded to in my original post when I had some more time, like your technique. Just because I said your anatomy was faulty did not mean I thought the whole picture was bad. I like Picasso, and his portraits are just about as unrealistic as you can get.

Edit: BTW, she said "But I seemed to notice after looking at your profile that you don't have any sketches, Only critizing other peoples pics, Where's Yours ?" Look at the underlined part. The implication is clear. I don't care if she thought she was being funny or cute. It bothered me. Oh, I don't just do art, I write too, and that should explain a few things. For those of you who know what it is like being a writer trying to get published, you will understand the excessively long posts and the quick temper.

[bat]

I like the second one better, much smoother and more defined, but the expression on the Freddy image is rendered well. It will take a bit of refining, but not bad at all.
Daniela, drop the chip off of your shoulder. You really read a lot into one little sentence. You must also realize that many people do come here and comment without ever posting. How can anyone know their background or intentions? Unloading in such an unsavory manner really doesn't make you look very mature at all.

bat

[daniela]

Well Duchess, you wanted to know why I haven't posted my work here and by now you should. The edit in the last post should have clued you in. Oh, I don't just do art, I write too, and that should explain a few things. For those of you who know what it is like being a writer trying to get published, you will understand the excessively long posts and the quick temper. I do not post my work here because while I do try to do some sketching everyday, I have been focusing on my writing. The last two posts were works of fiction. You kind of annoyed me with your last post, so I decided to have a little fun and show you some of my work in my own way. Sorry Bat and Jeff Gran for getting you worked up. Were those two posts really that convincing? I honestly thought I was laying it on a bit thick. I should have explained sooner, but if you had seen any of my other posts you would have known that those last two were completely out of character for me. I have probably lost all credibility with you guys (if I ever had any) by making those fake posts, but the crits of the drawing were real. And Duchess, I meant what I said when I complemented you on the way you executed the piece even if it isn't really anatomically correct. If you had been patient I really would have put that in when I came back later. "I appreciate critiques here and there" doesn't fly. Just remember that you have to take the good with the bad. I really have no problem with you and I hope that you are not too mad at me.:)

[Duchess]

Hmmm Let's See, When you first saw my mistake of putting up the wrong pic, you did not hesitate to respond- pointing that out and adding you'll wait for the right one to show up for you to "critique" (which comes from the word critisize). As soom as I got it up you blasted me with all these; This is wrong, this is wrong...Like using the word "Deformed", Don't you think it would've been nicer using the word "Off" or something else. I've got 40 posts in this wonderful website and most of them are pictures "That I've TAKEN THE TIME to do." and you telll me; as much as you type and write such long messages that you could not have taken extra time to put a compliment in their as well OR until later, that's just bull! I read all your posts to other people, the first thing I read (usually) were what you didn't like about this, this and this. I respect all the critiques, advice, compliments, and points people give me, I guess yours just rubbed me the wrong way, cause you replied to my post as if you have before, like you know me well Or like you're some kind of authority: Not introducing yourself, Not complimenting the fact that i'm trying and then giving me your crits. I'm Sorry if you can't post, but how do we all know what you say is true, you have no pics/art, no website to look at. So until you prove otherwise, it's all just blah, blah, blah to me. Never in my life have I been disrespected the way you did, calling me a jerk, saying I have no respect and that my work sucks compared to others, GROW UP DANIELA.
P.S I Know my work isn't Superb Yet, But I Do them As Often As I Can (Along with- the "Superb Ones"), For this is why I Do them. By the way, you kept talking about all this time you didn't have, But you sure seemed to have alot of time to write that Big, Long Shpiel.:rant: //Peace Out Man:peace:

[keyboard]

meow! :cat; :fight:

lol I would smooth out the shadow on her neck and fix the pointyness of the lips. and look at the nose a bit, somethings not right there. But I like the hair, you did a good job giving it body, most hair I draw comes out rather limp. Hey guys calm down a little bit neh? maybe get back to the drawing and not fighting?

[daniela]

Be that way. And I did compliment you the first time. I'm sorry that it wasn't "Ohh I just love this piece" but I did say that overall it wasn't bad and that was my way of saying its good. BTW, where I am from a critique includes good and bad comments. Also, look at the time on the posts. I posted my critique at 11:44 and I really could not come back until after 1:00 to post any more. I have a family too. If you read between the lines of my first post, you would have noticed that I complimented your shading and highlighting and the other effort that went into making your picture. Just because I didn't introduce myself to you does not mean that I cannot give you crits and advice. Almost no one introduces themselves when they post in someone elses thread. The fake posts did not take very long to post, because as I said, I am a struggling writer. As to saying deformed instead of off, I try to vary my comments and I cannot keep saying this is off to every single person. You have to give specifics. You cannot keep posting "The face is off, otherwise this looks good." For the jerk stuff, did you forget that it was part of one of the fake posts? In an ideal world I would have just came out and told you that I am focusing on my writing right now, but I wanted to do it in a more creative way.

If this is the way you feel, than lets just agree to stay out of each other's way. You should read everything that people write to you very carefully so you don't miss the more subtle compliments.

[Duchess]

**Keyboard, Thanks for the specific advice, I'm gonna go work on it, after the grocery shopping and trip to the art supply store, "I Feel the Need, The Need For Speed" (With that, I'm meaning Inspiration and Incentive)


*Whatever Daniela, Ya Know, You Just Disect Everything, Don't You? You've got too much time on your hands.
Are You a Teacher?, Because Those Who Can't Do...Teach!
If Not a Teacher: Then Let's See Em, You'll Find A Way. ..Kinkos!! is open 24 Hours a Day.

[Duchess]

Here's A Slightly Different Version Of My Sketch, I Know It Still Has It's Problems Though, Have At It!
http://home.comcast.net/~musiknote/wsb/media/238211/site1033.JPG

[softdrawer]

lol, this is funny... i always like to see those conversations.
...puts a little bit of spicey in my day !

[leviathan]

Originally posted by daniela
If you cannot take harsh criticism, you do not belong here. I will take any negative crits much better than you have when it is my turn.
.....Hmm.


And Duchess, it's great that you're working hard to improve. I've seen your posts over the last few weeks, and it definitely shows. You've done a good job with her hair and the face is proportioned pretty nicely. For this piece, I'd say that drawing women presents unique challenges -- particularly faces. Try to work less with hard outlines in the faces, and more with light value and implied outlines.

I remember hearing somewhere that every line you add to a portrait of a woman's face adds ten years to her age. Maybe...maybe not.

Anyhow, keep up the good work.

[Duchess]

LEVIATHAN -- UHH!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH:rock: :thumbsup: I'll Do My Best, Keep The Crits Coming. Oh And I Just Got Some Art Supplies Tonight, I got Generals Drawing Pencil Kit # 20, Some Magnifying Glasses, A Cartooning Figure Book, A White Eraser(Nice) And Some New Paint Brushes, For When I Get My Acrylics Out, SO LOOK OUT:p

[DustinTrimble]

Hey thanks for commenting on my sketches, I will return the favor.

The second woman sketch shows your weakness in the hand and arm area. Also the lips are ooking a little flat. The hair treatment and rest of the face is nice.


I think you should work on both some quick get everything in sketches as well as some long grueling portrait work, maybe using no line, just some colors. I am not a teacher, but an just giving you a couple suggestions on how to approach practicing. Also having someone explain to you how the bones and muscles work, that would be gold. I was lucky enough to take a Marshal Vandruf class, but you should seek out an anatomy class in your area when you are ready too. Beyond that good work, keep posting.

[BlackRose]

i'd say work on the hand, the eyes/ eyebrows, and the cheek bone shadow. besides those the rest is really good. i really like how you did the hair.

btw... duchess why do you capitalize every first letter in every word? i was just wondering cus it kinda bugs me

[Duchess]

I'm sorry there Blackrose, can't help it. My fingers always on the shift key, But if you take a look at the beginning of this thread, the ones I typed, I type normal too. Anyways I'll try to chill.

[BlackRose]

no need to apolligize... im just one of the picky grammar bastards:D

[Chromo48]

This thread should be renamed "Script for Jerry Springer Show" or "Cat Fight." (just kidding) I had a blast reading through this though.

Duchess: These sketches are really good! For the first portrait of the woman, I'd suggest just making her jaw a little bigger and straightening it out. It's a bit crooked. I don't think the mouth is necessarily too low, at least in relation to her nose. I think that maybe her nose just may be tiny bit too long for the face. The only other things I'd say are work on the line quality to clean it up a bit, and tighten up the highlights in the hair. Otherwise the hair looks really good, it flows well.

For the last portrait...I'd work more on the hand and the shadows for the folds in the shirt. The folds themselves look well placed, I just think the value in the shadow is a little too dark all around. Her face looks great as well as the hair again.
Keep practicing, you'll correct any flaws your work has.

[Duchess]

Thanks Chromo!, I gotta say I love your pic Icon under your name, Tis really cute:) I tell all yall, I'm gonna have to slow down on the drawing different things, cause I don't know when I'm gonna find time. All the sketches and whatever I have to fix, school, my girls and everything in between, it'll be awhile before my drawings are reposted, but I'll try like hell eventually, Gotta big test tomorrow. Oh and man I can't wait to get on Photoshop and others, cause I think it'll do me some justice., Did yall see my pretty picture?:D