2 and 3 year illustration schools

[zwei]

I've come home empty handed after looking for a book with lots and lots of art schools. :(

I've dabbled around here and I see lots of the same 4 year schools over and over and I was hoping someone well-versed in art schoolness could point me in the direction of some schools that have 2 or 3 year programs in illustration (or one of the industry-inspired spin-off names like "game art") that have smallish classes, teachers who work or have worked in the media industry and with a curriculum with lots of traditional as well as digital art that is located preferably on the east coast of the U.S. but if any west coast schools come to mind toss them in just in case. Or anything that mostly qualifies to my excessive requirements :)

cheers :)

oh yeah if you know of a good book I could get online that would be swell too!

cheers again! :)

[thesinfulsaint]

If you don't care about degrees, you might want to look into an atelier close to your location. You can always supplement yourself with extra industry-like projects through CA.org. Gnomon Workshops is also a great set of DVDs that can really help with digital painting or modeling, and you could look into those.

I know that doesn't answer your question...but that might follow the requirements of 2-3 years of coursework and be less expensive than an art school. :)

[WhizBang]

Why are you bagging on Barnes & Noble in the title of this thread?

So does Amazon.com, Borders, and every other little book shop fall into the category of "F.U." s as well??

Why can't you just be mature enough, come here and ask for help as opposed to such an immature way of getting people's attention? What does Barnes & Noble or anyone for that matter have to do with your lack of knowledge? You make it sound as thought they did something to screw you over and I'm willing to bet they never did. Want an intelligent answer to something? Then ask in an intelligent way. SIMPLE.

Be thankful someone is kind enough like thesinfulsaint is willing to indulge you here with an answer. So cheers to you as well.

[zwei]

saint,

thanks much :) I've never heard of the gnomon DVD's I have the Djurddjevic CA DVD and it's pretty gnarly so I will definitely look into them (they seem to have a ginormous selection). As far as Arteliers I'm kind of under the impression that the south isn't big on any kind of artistic education, I think the memphis college of art and design site said they were 1 of 3 "art schools" :( but I will keep poking around, at least I have a new term to search with! :)

ty again!




Whiz, lol wow are you a stockholder or something? you sound like you need a hug :(

I was very disappointed because it was something I would've expected them to carry and I feel doubly awful for resorting to asking here because they couldn't provide me with the information. I know the same people answer the same questions 800 times in this portion of the forums in particular and it pains me to ask them another banal question because a bookstore who carries 200 books on 4 year academic colleges carries 0 on art schools.



I'm sorry you took my disgust with a major book retailer personally.

as far as using it as some ploy to get your attention, I'm very much in the habit of wearing my thoughts on my sleeve and that's just how I write, if you disapprove, you have the luxury of ignoring it. these boards move very fast and use every form of attention-grabbing trickery possible from stylistic use of punctuation to caps spam to animated Gifs, if "F U" has you hook line and sinker I'm afraid you're quite the distractible fellow.


I've edited the threads title to put your mind at ease.

[Storyboard Dave]

I was very disappointed because it was something I would've expected them to carry and I feel doubly awful for resorting to asking here because they couldn't provide me with the information. I know the same people answer the same questions 800 times in this portion of the forums in particular and it pains me to ask them another banal question because a bookstore who carries 200 books on 4 year academic colleges carries 0 on art schools.

I'm sorry you took my disgust with a major book retailer personally.

as far as using it as some ploy to get your attention, I'm very much in the habit of wearing my thoughts on my sleeve and that's just how I write, if you disapprove, you have the luxury of ignoring it. these boards move very fast and use every form of attention-grabbing trickery possible from stylistic use of punctuation to caps spam to animated Gifs, if "F U" has you hook line and sinker I'm afraid you're quite the distractible fellow.

I've edited the threads title to put your mind at ease.

I understand whiz's attitude towards your ploy to capture our attention here, but as one who posts regularly here I'm one to disagree that these boards move as fast you claim they do. Kind people DO respond- maybe not to the speed in which you want but we do get around. Patience please!! And yes, I've probably answered the same questions over and over again but will probably have to do so again at another date. To whizbang's defense... simply asking in a kind way will probably garner more serious responses than "every form of attention-grabbing trickery possible from stylistic use of punctuation to caps spam to animated Gifs". Honesty & sincerity works just fine even if you do wear your emotions on your sleeve. For those of us who respond, we've been there ourselves and can relate.

And just because a bookseller or a forum doesn't give you the answers that you need shouldn't be a reason for you to stop researching out the answers you need. Ask an individual who's in the business, ask your instructors, aks career counselors, ask anyone & everyone. Be well informed but there really isn't a need to spout venom to get attention if your question is valid... and it is.

As far as 2-3 year schools go, is there a disdain towards a valid four year program here? It's only one additional year- but that one additional year could also be the difference betwen tweaking a portfolio with guidance as well. I teach at a four year college and would love to stretch it out to nearly five years so they can really flesh out their portfolios to compete for the top jobs. Portfolios are always ongoing projects to begin with.

That being said, it might be worthwhile for you to look towards diploma granting institutions or workshops as opposed to colleges.

[Maxine Schacker]

The work load is heavy and standards are high at Max the Mutt (Toronto). However, we care about every student, class size is small, and instructors are industry professionals. The Illustration for Sequential Arts Diploma Program is 3 years. Concept Art is 4 years. Check out the website: www.maxthemutt.com.

Did someone edit out offensive parts of your post, or did I read it too quickly? We do demand that students behave professionally- any conduct that would be out of place in the work place is not acceptable. Old fashioned consideration and manners are the order of the day. We grade on professionalism as well as course content, that is : ability to take direction, meet deadlines etc.

If you are looking for a serious school that really cares about art, we may be the right school for you.

Tuition is much lower than US schools.

[zwei]

cripes I'm feeling greatly misinterpreted :\

"F U barnes and noble :\" is hardly what I'd called spouting venom and I have all the time and patience in the world to gather responses ( until march in most cases :) ). It wasn't my intention to ninja you away to my thread and secretly force you into answering questions about education. It just happened to be what was on my mind. I imagine most people who browse this section read everything anyways or at least the first couple pages, making it pretty pointless to try to lure people in.

granted I have a gritty vernacular if I really had hard feelings for barnes and noble this would hardly be the place to voice them.

in regards to 4 year degree schools I have neither the time, finances or commitment to academic courses. I have no councilors and no instructors with which to conference with which exacerbates the whole "no art book at B&N" situation. I hate asking for help on something that seems like it should be easy to research as it's generally interpreted as laziness.

I guess there was more formality due than I anticipated. In my defense, I hardly came out spitting venom and I sense alot more hostility in whiz's post than I think was necessary for something so insignificant as saying "I wish barnes and noble had a book for me" in a colorful way.

it just seems really uptight to me, to go out of your way to say "you're immature and stupid, you're lucky anyone responds to you". I guess if the shoe was on the other foot I could think of alot better things to do with my time and I would weigh the point over the vocabulary. I even hestiate to type this as it really isn't going to help me get anymore information than my initial post and will only lead to more verbose garbage about how awful I am for expressing my dismay with barnes & noble in some elborate attempt to capture the attention of people who've nothing better to do than slam me over an ill-phraised, innocent question.

personally, I would be less-inclined to read a topic called "F U barnes & noble :\ " as it's not the most informative of titles.

I don't know how or why saint managed to be so polite and helpful in spite of all of my crass, immature underhanded shannanigans. perhaps they just read it for what it was?


I'm done posting on this topic except for "thank you"s to those who are more concerned with answering the question (at their own liberty, mind you) than dissecting the manner in which it was presented.

[Storyboard Dave]

Zwei,

Here's my advice for what it's worth and it's not for my benefit nor is it to belittle you.

Gritty vernacular, no matter how colorful can be taken wrong especially in a written forum format such as this. I can't speak for whiz's response to you nor do I know his background for his response but I don't exactly see an "FU" to anyone being kind nor respectful. I've always been taught in order to get respect, one must also be respectful. Writing before one sorts out one's thoughts is probably what got you the ire of some people here so before you get misinterpreted once more- think about what it is you want to say before casting it out there.

Maxine's call to her students to behave professionally should also apply to these forums as well. Why not?

And do NOT feel awkward or silly for asking. Again, most of us that post here have been exactly where you've been. If someone misses your initial comment or its intent, then simply clarify. If you've insulted someone, whether intentional or not, then simply (and sincerely) apologize and try to re-state your initial post again. Keep asking until you get an answer- whether it's here or on another board.

Regarding the lack of counselors or other folks to lean on for answering your questions, I think this is a fine place to ask. There are other students and working professionals here who are more than helpful in answering your questions; and if you give up asking then the burden will have to rest with you.

But please do take a look at some of the other threads here with your same sort of requests. I wish I could be more helpful with you finding the education you're looking for specifically and I hope I've helped in some way in helping your thought/ writing processes for public forums.