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[Pavlovich]

I'M CRAZY! I'M going #%#^ing CRAZY! WooOOOoooOOOooo...And my posts dissappear when I curse at you...

LOL

This forum used to be HBO, now it's Disney Channel?

Don't make me go to Poo! I hate Eatpoo!

--Teknoholic


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I was under the impression this was the finally finished section of conceptart.org. Now i see it's some kind of adolescent doodle page... sigh.

--Erik



just kind of musing over some recent posts...hope these guys dont mind me quoting them, but i think they bring up some valid points.

now, let me start of by saing i dont want to start a flame war; my very first opinion posted in this forum ended up in one of those and it wasnt fun. however, i figured i'd bring it up and see what everyone else thought; maybe i'm just crazy and way out of line but here it goes.

lately i've seen a lot of noob work...not just in the WIP's and sketches, but a HELL of a lot in the finished section. now, i'm really not trying to judge anyone and it wouldnt be a big deal if it were just a couple, but it seems like it is now the majority. even worse is the feedback; i've seen (in my opinion, of course) extremely mediocre work get 20 'hey, grate! i luv ninja robotz 2!!1' etc..etc...etc...

i know it is tough for mods to be in charge of deciding what needs to be thrown back and what can stay, but i think if it just happens there wont be an uproar from the noob population. if i post a work and it gets sent to the noob graveyard, i'll try again, no hard feelings, it wont destroy me artistically.

i know there have been other threads on how to kind of 'clean house' and honestly i dont have any answers. i hesitate to suggest a handfull of 'lightning' mods, but it seems to work. maybe there's a way to have the users do it; an anonymous 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' on every post; if 60 people look at it, see that it is really not critiqueable at the stage it is in (ie, your characters right arm is twice as big as his leg, he has nine fingers on his left hand, and i'm not sure but maybe doing sketches on the bus with a ketchup packet may not be the place for finished works) then they can push a 'thumbs down' button. too many of those and they get sent to the noob concentration thread, where the first post is a sticky explaining how not to get sent there. i know this is similar to poo but it seems to work...kind of.

i love this forum and i just dont want it to end up in the toilet.

well, thats it. i know its tough for the mods and i know you all have better things to do (as it is, school starts today and this will probably be the last post i make for a long time) so thats why i suggest that the users can somehow do it. i know this may lead to some problems with some people, but cumon...if your stuff really gets voted down consitently, then maybe you...kinda dont need to be here.

[ceenda]

I agree.

There seems to be a problem on forums sometimes where someone complains and suddenly hundreds of bleeding-heart art liberals seem to flock onto the scene and accuse people of 'policing' what is and what is not n00b art.

It used to be the case that alot of people respected Conceptart as a forum dedicated to high-quality art without having to enforce that via moderators (i.e., people seemed to know what was acceptable and what wasn't), but it seems to be a free-for-all at the moment.

Now, where are my asbestos pants...

[ChadTHX1138]

HERE we go again...this was fought over a couple times in the last couple months.

Let me just say you would be pretty pissed if someone deemed you guys not worthy to post in any section along with the rest of the people here. So if we're bleeding...then we are bleeding for you. Capiche?

[Pavlovich]

i'll quote myself:

if i post a work and it gets sent to the noob graveyard, i'll try again, no hard feelings, it wont destroy me artistically.

i would think SOMEbody would want SOMEthing done. maybe i'm wrong, but it seems like noob work has been on the rise since i registered...if these trends continue...HEeeeEEyyyy

i dont know. i'm just retarded, i'll keep posting humerous lens flared parodys of the finished anime work.

[egerie]

I think there's a thread of 12 pages discussing that over and over and over. CA will soon (?) have a new layout and this issue WILL be adressed in the forums' new version. That's at least what we were told *wink nudge* ! :D

So keep the faith and don't get too pissed at noobs.. I know it can get irritating. Like those red x cases or image hosting questions ehe.
The maing idea beind CA is for artists to grow and learn. Everyone has to start somewhere...

ege. I speak engrish good !

[daniela]

Pavlovich: I just wanted to let you know that I am the one who got Teknoholcics post deleted in the "Elektra 2-d" thread, and it wasn't for any reason that you seem to believe. I had made a few comments on edmiglia's work, and then Teknoholic made his. He was under the mistaken impression that edmiglia had put the credit in his original post (it all seems so petty now) instead of editing it in later. I then corrected him and said that no one gets anything by the "sharp people here at conceptart.org." His following post was directed at me: oh, mah bad. Who's dick are you sucking anyway?

I felt that this post was out of line. It was personal and offensive. I have a right not to be subjected to his insults. Teknoholic should only have been commenting on edmiglia's work or the comments that other people made about said work. If he wanted to say something like that, Teknoholic should have PMed me, like I did him when I informed him of how offensive his post was to me.

As to your suggestion about a "noob graveyard", I understand why you want one, but I do not think it is right. Noobs post here to get critiques and advice from professionals, and no one but other noobs would visit a noob forum. Maybe works that aren't up to par should be moved to the WIP section so the artist can get advice on how to evolve the piece until it is up to the standards you seem to want to enforce. Then it can be posted in the Finally Finished forum.

Sorry for the rant, but remember this: all art is subjective

[bizarre]

maybe have the noob are more accessible, and have the higher-end forum tucked away in a subcategory somewhere? like with the oohs and aahs forum, maybe switch that with the finally finished section. not really, but you get the idea. if the noobs are too damn lazy to post in the right forum (may i remind you that i'm guilty of this?) then make the wrong forum (for posting noob anime fanboy traces or paintovers) forum less obvious. like one of the subcategories?

just my thought don't crucify me.

oh and is my sig inappropriate? not sure if innuendo or puns are allowed here...

[Pavlovich]

yikes!! (in reference to daniela). i didnt even realize teknoholic was doing whatever (i skimmed most of that thread); what i took from the quote was his hbo/disney channel comparison...i'm not saying conceptart.org should be filled with titties and guts, but....well, you get the picture. a finished works section full of lens flared manga bus stop tracings is what scares me. sorry about quoting that dick, that was my mistake, i should have read that thread instead of glancing at it. but i'm sure i could find fifty to replace it with the same general message.

i think the works that would go to the noob graveyard are un-critique-able. as in, there are so many things wrong with it, that really all you can say is 'um...go look at people some more and if you're really serious then practice drawing for about ten years and then make another post.' i know you've all seen those posts. i think these are the kinds of critiques that 'graveyard noob' pieces would all get. its not like you can take a piece of anime fan art drawn with a bloody stump on a cardboard box that isnt even close to being anatomically correct, and then give crits like 'hmm...i think maybe his right eye is a little small, and most human beings dont have seven fingers on a hand. make sure his legs arent half the size of his torso, and try to vary the line weight with the bloody stump.'

art is subjective. and if anybody wants to post some thought provoking modern...whatever, fine. if it is a modern copy of daredevil, then i think it ends up in the garbage.

[daniela]

Pavlovich: You don't have to be sorry about the quote. I am still a little angry at Teknoholic for turning a fun forum into a depressing one for me. I just wanted to make sure everyone understood why he made the post you quoted.

I have some further thoughts on your "noob graveyard" and though the general idea is understandable (I don't like the works that can't be critiqued either), allowing people to give a thumbs up or a thumbs down presents problems. How do you make sure that one person doesn't vote sixty times to get rid of someone's work because they have a personal grudge? Would you have an appeal system for those that feel they might have been unfairly placed in the graveyard?
There are probably many other questions besides these, but this post is already long enough. Maybe we should wait for the new version of CA to see if it resolves any of the issues you have raised. The discussion can always be started again later if the updated site isn't good enough.

[davi]

yes.

[PencilPunx]

I'm curious as to what level of artistic skill would honestly be considered too amateurish? I know you mentioned drawings done with "ketchup packets at the bus stop" or "hands with seven fingers" and I'm sure that was mostly a joke, but really, what would be the cut off point? I've posted several times since registering and each time I've gotten MAYBE 3 or 4 replies. I take that as a pretty good sign that my skills are not up to par with what a lot of people expect from this site. All the same, I draw for at least a few hours a day, I have several anatomy books I practice from daily, I always have a friend check my image links from another location to make sure they work and I always post in the "Sketches & Doodles" section just to make sure noone is offended I would consider my work finished in comparison to the rest of the work in the "finally finished" section. I have a serious interest in learning and improving, and while I may not get many replies, I would hate to be banished to "noob hell" where I would lose any shot of receiving helpful feedback from the users of this site. So while I can't argue with a desire to filter out the sub par material, I'd just like to know what's a tell tale sign that you're heading to the dumpster with the rest of the rubbish?

[egerie]

*throws hands in the air* same old all over again.