Attn PROFESSIONALS...ART FRAUD STOLEN PORTFOLIO... chris runyon in the games industry

[Jason Manley]

hey all

it seems the guy who was using stolen portfolio work to gain jobs in games has been at this for a while. i pulled the other thread since i felt awareness had been raised. however I keep getting emails from pros in the industry who he either worked with or inteviewed with and the company list keeps growing.

the most recent contact i recieved was from a friend at factor five....who does the indiana jones games and other star wars licenses for the gamecube. tis a good group....anyhow...mr runyon had applied there as well and was even offered a job which he turned down to go to raven and quake 4 instead.

i put up this thread in the hopes that my friends and others would be able to avoid this behavior but it seems I am too late. i recieved an email recently that he is asking people to pretend to be an art director for his references. I do not believe his behavior has stopped.

I have been contacted by mr runyon now on two occasions...
the latter email accused me of slander.

chris...how dare you...i tried to help you do it right and you ignored that help. We gave you the time of day on the art forums and you have broken the trust of many.

Rather than send me accusatory emails I invite you to this public forum to say your peace. you want people to know the truth...here is an opportunity to come in and say it.


more info can be found here http://eatpoo.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15502&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0





jason

[tyboogie]

it feels good to know the industry and the forums have the 6 degrees of seperation working to help catch and put the spotlight on thieves. A lesson for all dishonest people thinking of stealing others work


YOU WILL GET CAUGHT





:waves: bye chris BA-BYEE

[ChadTHX1138]

Hey whats the line in "ID4" where Will Smith and Goldblume are waving Bye to the alien just before they fire a rocket up his rear?

If C is still at it in a dishonest manner he deserves no respect. I can't believe the roasting this guy is getting on all of the forum's and he still is at it?

[Hexal]

So wrong
Ive seen him on other forums like polycount, from way back and never though ther were people like that out there getting jobs. I dont know why i just never thought about it.

Its so wrong....for shame

[bradpokey]

In the NEWS!! (http://216.120.230.86/~fuckhed/fnews/?id=2073&sid=3)

Enjoy! ;)

[MindCandyMan]

What an awful example for your kids and for your wife. If you're running low on money I know that can be hard for your family...but what's more important...getting them new toys or teaching them integrity? I hope his apology was sincere...no one can tell at this point.

[egerie]

Originally posted by bradpokey
In the NEWS!! (http://216.120.230.86/~fuckhed/fnews/?id=2073&sid=3)

Ahahahahahaaa !! Thanks for that link.. *rubs hands maniacly*

[endregan]

Hes done wrong. If he learns from it he may be forgiven but hey may do it again if he does not understand the value and sensitivity of this. Stealing has been wrong since the beginning and Chris will pay the responsibilities for this..

[magira]

I think the bigger problems are not the one this Chis has, but the ones all other dircety or indirectly involved in this story have.

The studios that hired him surely lost money.
Seeing the folio they certainly assumed that he is able to do his job, and do it right... Waiting two weeks or three for something useful, just to realize that he is simply not able to do his job: You lose time you lose money, and you again have to find someone to do the job.

And I also think the artdirectors and people hwo decide about employees will get cautious.
I don't think its much fun to be mistrusted for the first days of your job, just because the studio made bad expirences with such an idiot..

[JoshuaTheJames]

I wanna hear some Freudian analysis...

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0002/images/yr-freud.jpg

-Joshua


...Seriously there has to be a good reason why his marbles are all over the floor....

[Chromo48]

How could people like this possibly respect themselves and feel good about getting a job with someone elses work.

-- Bradpokey: Good stuff, that was funny

[RudeCorleone]

i hate to see things like this. i like to think eveyone here is admirable and honest. but no, i guess it can't be that way. some dicks just don't seem to get it. i admire artist for their skill, seeing shit like this dissapoints me greatly. seeing this and what that jayfotos did a while back, makes me loose a bit of faith

[daniela]

This whole Chris Runyon thing is despicable. The people he stole from are going to have trouble getting jobs with their portfolios and that's not fair.

I thought with this going on, we should look at other forms of stealing. In the lounge I have started a thread called "How do professionals feel? Is fan art plagerism?" We should talk about topics like these and make sure everyone's view is understood. Any form of stealing is wrong.

[catterpillar]

hey I know! lets all go and paste his elfwood gallery with insults again!! yay!:chug: no seriously though, I can't believe the gall of this guy. how does he sleep at night!?

[Dakardaur]

sumone explain sumthin to me...couldn't someone sue this guy? I mean, doing it once is already a pretty big thing, but trying to keep on gettin a job with fake work is like, over the limit. So, why hasn't one of the faked artists taken measures against this guy? or am I totally missing somethin?
:confused:

[helix7]

I was kind of bummed that the other thread got removed. I typed a pretty long response to one of Runyan's explanations of why he did this. I'll retype the short version here.

He said something in a post about being desperate and needing to get a job very badly. In the professional world (in all disciplines and job fields) it sometimes takes quite a while to land a good job. In the creative industry, it can take forever and very often creative pros need to take other jobs outside their field to get by while they improve their portfolios and look for work in their desired field. If things were so bad for Runyan and he was so desperate, did he ever attempt to find a job outside of concept art? I'm inclined to believe he just got tired of searching and didn't want to spend time on his portfolio so he took the pathetic loser route and stole work. I wonder what made him think that he should be exempt from playing by the rules that everyone else is forced to play by. Finding jobs sucks and it takes some people years to break into their chosen field. That's the unfortunate nature of the job market. But in no way does the fact that it's a shit situation give anyone the right to use work done by others as a short-cut to a job. Stealing work is a move only a pathetic individual would make, and he gets no sympathy from me for being 'desperate.'

[linK]

I'm curious, does this Chris Runyon still possess his job? I think his employers should be notified about this deception. If I was an employer, I'd want to know about things like this.

[egerie]

Originally posted by linK
I'm curious, does this Chris Runyon still possess his job?
From what's been said 32487138 times, no he doesn't.

I think his employers should be notified about this deception. If I was an employer, I'd want to know about things like this.

That is precisely the purpose of this thread (and the previous thread.. before it degenerated into a firestorm of idiocy).

dakardaur : there's some stuff brewing..

[krayz]

Foolish to think he could get away with it. How could he ever have thought that he'd be able to produce the quality of work in his "portfolio" while in the job?

Here's us working our asses off to be good enough to apply for a job, and he goes and steals and gets in without ANY effort! I mean, the said companies could've, and most probably did have, another artist (who had most likely studied their arse off for years) on their list but this Chris' "portfolio" was just that bit better so the other guy lost out.

I hope he never gets a job in the game industry. Even as a game tester. But people like him always seem to land on their feet.

Ah well.. such is life.

Thanks to Jason for bringing this to our attention.

[Death Dealer]

Here is a photo of the "artist" CHRIS RUNYON
http://www.weldonspring.com/cr.jpg :bash:

[Payback]

He probably stole that pic as well... :p

[dyoung]

This is absolutely amazing... I never thought I'd see this. I come to this site so often and am amazed at the quality of work I see here. Even though I work my ass of to be as good as you all here I just can't imagine stealing other peoples work. What a disgrace. The sad part is that someone lost out on a killer job because of this.

Way to go Jason in bringing this guy to everyone's attention, and he has the gaul to accuse you of Slander! Screw him i hope he rots.

Dyoung
www.dmfy.com

[Bomba]

Originally posted by Jason Manley
the most recent contact i recieved was from a friend at factor five....who does the indiana jones games and other star wars licenses for the gamecube. tis a good group....anyhow...mr runyon had applied there as well and was even offered a job which he turned down to go to raven and quake 4 instead.

How lame. I have a very good friend that works over at Factor Five... I will ask him about this. And you mentioned that he is working over at Raven? OOhhhhhhh... I know plent of people there as well. Curious to find out if he is still working there.
-J-

[chao]

grr!!:bash: hope he'll rot in hell!! we all try really hard... try be better .. practice and stuff, try to make the best portfolio using our "own" hand/leg/whatever body part.... and that chrisidioticbastard just do that stupidiotic thing! HOPE HE'S ROT TO DEATH!!!:bash: seriously...man... i don't know how the hell he can still walk in the street now.. :mad: and that photo is a really good panel for dart board.. haha!

[vfxart]

Originally posted by Bomba

How lame. I have a very good friend that works over at Factor Five... I will ask him about this. And you mentioned that he is working over at Raven? OOhhhhhhh... I know plent of people there as well. Curious to find out if he is still working there.
-J-



He isn't. Been gone for some time.

[Cryo]

Bomba is he still there then? Hey we could ring the studio!
"excuse me could I talk to..."

Unfortunately there will always folks like this around- I personaly know of several. Chances are they get found out and kicked out. If the guy was down on his luck there is no excuse for theft. All the pros here work their guts out to get work, so why should it be any different for this chap?

[Death Dealer]

Now I'm really pissed!!!!! some of you know me as Death Dealler from sijun!. This f**k posted one of my pieces at polycount.
If you want to see my work go to http://www.ewillustration.com I don't want my work misrepresented with CRs name on it.

Some day im going to have an interview and the guy is going to say THAT MY OWN WORK ISNT MINE Thats going to really piss me off!!!!!!

I also work at Simutronics check this out!!! after he was fired I gave him twenty bucks so he could have some spending money in his pocket and this is how he repays me?

One more thing this a hole sent me an email telling me about his new job but didnt mention that he got it with my artwork!!!

End of vent..........

Check this crap out!!!! "my work!!!!"

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~polycount/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008391.html?00032

[wallychairmover]

that sucks for you death, but it sucks for me! he never stole any of my art!! that bastard:D

in my own weird f'd up circle of life way i'd like to thank chris runyon for re-opening a position at realm that i am now getting a second chance to fill after a sabbatical of sorts. without his complete disregard for other artists or his own integrity i am able to once again dust off my pants, get back up on that beautiful steed that is game development and ride off into a glorious sunset with some real artistic bad asses:D

rise up into they night blood eaters!!:evilbat:

[Evil_Dan]

wow! jesus this is unbelievable. I mean did he really think he could keep this up forever. I hope it was worth it because the guy the can kiss his chance at real job in the industry goodbye.

[One Who is Artist]

I have personally worked with this fellow and believe me he is sure a weird one, I didn't work with him long because he skipped town but believe me he is worthless. In fact he not only stole art work, which is incredible stupid, but also software that belonged to the company. Chris "Runfart" is definately a bad influence on artists, and this goes to show how people who don't work hard can get caught and go down with there own ship.:chug:

[LEN]

KEEP THIS GUY AND THOSE LIKE HIM OUT OF YOUR INDUSTRY!!!!!!

I work in Industrial Design and there are scum bags like him by the boat full. Not only do these people hurt you but also dicorage the conception of your field.

Hey, chris, if you you need a job I know of a firm where the manager stole his way to the top- I think you would like him.

To the rest of us be honest, giving and above all work with a sence of honor- other wise its not worth it for any one.


this is a sad but nessesary thead.

[killer_gym_sox]

it become easier to steal things when they are up on the internet. But people dont seem to have respect for the hard work that goes into these pieces. There is a solution.. stop posting on the internet. but we shouldnt have to stop sharing our work with inspiring artists (thats me im an inspiring artist ^ ^) because of low lifes. Thats when we fight back.

[killing.people]

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haaaa!

[IgnusDei]

/me sees pic

heh, i hate the fucker already.

i'm not gonna defend him or anything, but the guy did what a whole bunch of other artists, talented or otherwise, have actually thought of doing. there is always something better, there is always the desire to be recognized...and there is always temptation.

about not posting stuff on the net: sure, we could definitely do that, but then we'd lose a great way to receive feedback and actually improve ourselves. also, there is no need to post EVERY piece of art, nor to post it in full quality , high resolution glory...that would give hacks like HIM all the more credibility should they boost one for their folio.

[hyphen]

Originally posted by Death Dealer
Here is a photo of the "artist" CHRIS RUNYON
http://www.weldonspring.com/cr.jpg :bash:

That must be his masterpiece in the background.

[dyoung]

IgnusDei
i'm not gonna defend him or anything, but the guys did what a whole bunch of other artists, talented or otherwise, have actually thought of doing. there is always something better, and there is always the desire to be recognized...and there is also temptation.
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I'm not sure I agree with that first statement. I've never thought of stealing others artwork and I'm sure pretty much everyone else here hasn't either (chris runyon excluded of course.) Just the idea of stealing someone else's artwork is absolutely unthinkable to me. I'd rather suck for my whole life having my work be my own than to steal someone elses work and get a job. The fact that someone is better is what motivates people to work harder and some i guess your right to steal. maybe i'm naive but I can't believe that a bunch of people think that way..

After looking at his pick, i'm not surprised, he looks like an arrogant little fucker. people like that piss me off more than anything. Well, you won't have to worry about him anymore, he's shot himself in both feet. I doubt he'll ever work again.

[ashand]

On a side note for anyone following this guy. He made an appearance yesterday at Rainbow Studios in Phoenix, AZ where I work. He tried to get a job here but when our interviewer asked him about some obvious inconsistencies in his art syle from one page to the next and if we could see some of his 3D work he quickly made up some excuses and left saying he was just popping in to introduce himself and try to set up an interview for a later date.

I did not get a chance to see his portfolio to tell any of you if I saw your work in there however I am writing you all to assure you that I have made sure the hiring party here at Rainbow Studios knows about him and the issues surrounding him. I will request to see his portfolio if he comes in again if I have a chance. My guess is he will not be showing up again here though but you never know, anybody who is not daunted by the fact that they are stealing other peoples work for gainful employment may not be daunted by the fact that we may know about him.

(edit: our interviewer did not know about him when he was here I communicated the issues to him today (the day after). So even without knowing the issues with him our interviewer was able to tell something was not quite right)

[themagicpen]

That is a blatent lie . I have not ever applied to rainbow studio . I am not seeking employment in the game industry any longer and have not applied to any company in along time .

[daniela]

Hey themagicpen (aka Chris "the Bunyon" Runyon), why are you bothering to post here? You have lost all credibility. Didn't you get enough of this at Elfwood? It's me, the one and only, "member of the 'I despise Chris Runyon Club." You kept deleting my comments there, but I didn't stop until the artwork you posted was removed. You make me sick. I don't think you should post here anymore until you have accepted the truth and make amends for what you did. A good start would be to post a list of everyone you stole from and what you stole, so the people you hurt can begin repairing the damage. Go away and stay away from the game industry for real this time.

[Kortez]

That is a blatent lie . I have not ever applied to rainbow studio . I am not seeking employment in the game industry any longer and have not applied to any company in along time .

what goes around comes around

[Ben Shore]

Wow! I just read through the whole thread to this point, haven’t ever heard of this guy before. I guess if there's one thing artists hate with a passion it's a thief, talk about negative energy. :rolleyes:

Can’t say I’m any different, if someone stole my artwork I’d probably have to beat him to death with his own arm. However this thread makes me happy… I mean what’s the moral here? The guy got repeatedly fired, lost all professional respect, and is now totally blacklisted from the industry. (and you have to be pretty pathetic to try and steal artwork to begin with, not just under confident in your own work, but sad enough to think you’ll never make it on your own merit.)

I’ve never felt better about posting my artwork online, cause even if someone steals it, karma will beat him down worse than I could. Let this be a lesson to all the lazy losers out there, the rest of us are working hard for a purpose after all.

[lauri]

sad.
i dont know pretty much nothing about the industry, the gaming-industry. by living so far away from usa, but still doing art and illustrations, i would say that you all have nice littel own world going on there - what i mean, is that by reading throught that whole post i realised that this thief-boy is doomed to find something else to do now. all of you can use youre powers to make him a outcast of the artworld. he might as well start makeing pottery, he will never be able to show his works again. at least lets hope if he starts to do pottery, he will not show the ones he bought frome a local store ........

keep it up, and still have to say, its sad that THEY EXIST. bastards.

[One Who is Artist]

CHRIS, CHRIS, dude how can you say that you didn't apply, of course your going to say you didn't, your an idiot. I mean you still come to these forums and read this stuff, all we do is rip on you and you read it. How big of an idiot are you, what kind of education do you have. No one can help you Chris, this is apparent, but you can help yourself by staying away and never returning, of course I do get a thrill everytime your post a reply on the forums. I think it keeps people going. So I guess what I'm trying to say is please responde to this post, cause it would make my day to tell you in person or atleast on this post of how big of an idiot you are and how much of a waste of space you are, SERIOUSLY, QUIT USING UP ALL THE OXYGEN FOR THE PEOPEL WHO NEED IT.

[ashand]

Post Script on my initial post to clarify any miscommunication I may have unintentionally had with my readers.


I myself did not see Chris Runyon here but when I spoke with my Co-workers about this thread suddenly two of the guys said "hey that guy came in here yesterday." In fact I never mentioned your name at all somebody else asked me if the guys name was Chris Ruyon and I said yes I think that is the guy who the thread is talking about. Not sure myself whether we were talking about the same guy, I gave this thread as a link to everyone including the interviewer. They all read it, they know his name, they have seen his face on the thread. They confirmed to me that it was a guy who looked like the one pictured in this thread using the Chris Runyon name. Im not sure why anyone would want to use the Chris Runyon name if their name wasn't actually Chris Runyon.

I myself cannot confirm this as I did not see the applicant, however no-one in my office would have any motivation to lie to me, especially about a guy they never met. They believed it was this guy and therefore so do I. So unless you are suggesting there are two Chris Runyons there is no lie involved in this thread at all, and even then it would be a case of mistaken identity and under very coincidental circumstances.

I did not say anything negative about you chris. All I said is that you came to Rainbow looking for a job. The only negative connotation with you coming to Rainbow for a job you managed to build for yourself with the patterns of behaivor you have exhibited which makes others assume you would use those negative behaivors here as well. I know no facts about you personally and so I limited my post to only posting what I knew from the visit here.

I do have to say that it is difficult for me to believe that a whole community of people and studios would have such negative feelings about you if they weren't substantiated. Good Luck in the future...your gonna need it.

[Jason Manley]

interesting developments indeed.....so much for working those eighty hour weeks digging ditches in the hundred degree sun...shame on you man.

busted again


j

[themagicpen]

Regardless of what this person says if he does indeed work at Rainbow studios anyone can say anything . I never applied to Rainbow or any other studio or a long time . This is the last time I look at this thread . I have made my appologies to the people and companies I misrepresented and I don't have anything else to say.

[jmascho]

elfwood theifz0r

[HOON]

This is the last time I look at this thread . I have made my appologies to the people and companies I misrepresented and I don't have anything else to say.


you've lost your credibility long time ago. whatever you say here won't justify what you did. why do eveyone has to be afraid to show their work in public? its not just your (ex-)employer, victims of your mindless behavior, or your career that got destroyed. its every artists and their trust in community.

i hate the fact that you can still be here or any other art comunity, looking at other artist's work.

[Spoon]

Originally posted by themagicpen
Regardless of what this person says if he does indeed work at Rainbow studios anyone can say anything . I never applied to Rainbow or any other studio or a long time . This is the last time I look at this thread . I have made my appologies to the people and companies I misrepresented and I don't have anything else to say.

Bahahahaha! This guy is a classic compulsive liar. Check it out, the first thing he does is try to attack Ashands credibility, a learned response from how he is usually or expects to be treated. Classic. Anyway, I work with Ashand and happened to be on hand for this particular conversation. It occurred last Thursday outside of the Cheesecake Factory. He pretty much told it like it went down. I hate that my first post on this site is a negative one, but you're a tool.

~B

[Darrell Bowman]

I had a top rep sell my art around town
what he does is he sells my art then gives it
to his friend to do the final art.
He feels no remorse or anything in doing this.

Someone asked me for my life drawings to teach
class in a new evening school. It was a huge success
filled the class but i wasnt allowed to teach the class.

I thinking why dont they steal the monia lisa and sell that.

life not easy.

[brads3d]

My favorite drawing place is a coffee shop, and on a couple different occasions I've had people claiming to be able to hire me or use my work for a project, look through my stuff, tell me how great it is, get my card, and then never contact me again.

darrel? what are you trying to say? that didn't make sense to me, personally.

[softdrawer]

these people are just sadly pathetic

i mean it

[egerie]

ah ! 'was wondering if what Darrell said made sense to anyone else...

[JohnM]

Runyon applied at Outlaw several months ago. I was excited by the breadth of skills he showed in his portfolio and anxiously called him to find out who this very talented individual was. We talked on the phone for over an hour and I walked him through EVERY image in his portfolio giving comments and criticism and he told me how he created each one. He never batted an eye or showed any sign that he was flat out lying. I'm shocked by this and thank Jason for bringing this to the attention of the gaming community. I'm sure he knew he wouldn't be able to keep up the facade very long with me and so when I offered to fly him out for an interview he balked. Several days later we talked on the phone again and I wanted him to come out to meet with us and he told me he was working nights at a rest home for the elderly and he was enjoying the time away from games. He said he spent the night drawing and working on his portfolio, which I found shocking because his portfolio was so damn solid....obviously- he made a poor choice in error and it's unlikely he'll find work any time soon since the "word has hit the stree" that the guy is a fraud.

While I udnerstand the pressure to "get a job" in the industry. When I think about the hard working people I might have passed over, the people who spent years of sacrifice learning their craft to have an opportunity stolen by someone like this...it is just wrong and unfortunately will make me scrutinize future candidates more closely since I was almost duped into hiring this guy. Someone made a point about how companies spend a lot of money hiring people, moving their families, setting them up in a new city. A small company like outlaw would be devastated by this financially.
The memory of this industry is long and this will be something I will discuss with all of my peers, because it's the first time I've ever heard of someone doing this.

The worst thing an artist can do is to trade on someone elses work.

[fish~]

new thunderdome topic suggestion "the lynch"..though i think that actually using his name might be a tad overboard..invite him to challange
..maybe he can prove he could at least draw on his own at one time, and go out with a bang

[Jason Manley]

This is unfortunate news...thanks to JohnM for speaking up.

It is sad to see how much time and money and effort went into this debaucle. What a waste.


j

[killer_gym_sox]

hmm how on earth did u even find the stolen image of yours on the net in the first place. the net is a big place. couldnt be by chance could it?

[FONGOOL]

A few years back we had a very attractive Japanese girl show up applying for an art job. her portfolio was AMAZING. She could do EVERYTHING, realism, caricature, comicbook art, landscapes, ink drawing, oil painting, watercolors...

She almost got hired on the spot, except that a couple of the other artists got offended that they'd had to take an art test before they were hired. So, just to keep the peace we made her take the test also. It basically consisted of "draw a cartoon monkey". We figured any artist could come up with SOME sort of idea for a cartoon monkey. It showed creativity and how quickly they could come up with something without reference.

Anyway, she calmly handed in a drawing that literally looked like it was done by a four year old and left. We were all scratching our heads wondering what the hell had happened. Our art director hadn't been in the office the day we saw her portfolio and was having a hard time believeing we hadn't all been on crack when we gave her such a high recommendation, but luckily one of the guys had been so enthralled with her art (among other things ;) that he'd zeroxed some of the pieces to hang in his cubicle for inspiration. We showed them to the art director who immediately replied "oh yeah, I have that book".

The next day he brought in a book that was like "the year's best marketing images for 1993" or something and sure enough, every one of "her" illustrations were in there. All from different companies. So, either she'd merely color copied all the images out of this book and put them in her portfolio, or she had one VERY good year in which she worked for a dozen top ad firms and won awards on every image she did.

She was invited back for an additional interview where a couple of the guys showed her the book and grilled her about it, but I heard she never cracked, never admitted anything and never showed any emotion at all. I heard her parting comment was "Are we done?" and then she left.

I have NO idea what someone like that is thinking or how they can end up so damaged as to think they could possibly succeed. I suspect one could make a carrer of studying it though.

[IgnusDei]

that's just damn sad. although she did keep some of her dignity and didn't make a scene.

:/

[MGH]

Fongool, that story is almost worthy of urban legend status! Man.....
Actually, I would have loved to see her lose her dignity and start a scene. Of course I might have had the police and paramedics standing by with a tranquilizer gun just in case.

[Cinsev]

well knowing how hard it is to find work in the industry......this is truly unfortunate. i mean i work my butt off, get a job on my own merit and then some guy can just slide under the door? not cool.

im glad to be part of a community like this that makes a very valiant attempt to look out for each other.

btw, fongfool,

im in japan now. and i can COMPLETELY believe that incident, it seems that japan has a copy copy copy element to advertising and more commercial art with no remorse. pretty crazy really, and seeing some of the japanese women here, i can beleive both that she was hot as hell and that she would be a fantastic poker player.....

[Blind]

Working in a large coporate environment (not in art in anyway), I'm not surprised by this at all. Sometimes I just can't believe the ineptitude of some people and how far they can actually take themselves with just bullshit. It's incredible! We've actually got one guy who was making somewhere in the neighborhood of $175k USD annually for a longtime as a director here, and he could barely tie his own shoes. They finally fired him after a few years... but another of our companies hired him back as a consultant! He's probably making even more now. Ugh... it kills me. And he's only one example. This company, which is no different than any other company/industry in this regard, has lots of people who are in positions way over their heads.

[paralleluniverse]

This should be posted.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7737/cr1ga.jpg Chris Runyon

[Molly]

...is that a pic of a chainsaw in the background?

Mx

[/Anders]

You Fail.

[evildisco]

Way to resurrect a thread wohoo 3 years old!