Chow-82 revised

[noiion]

Hello, everyone! This is an entry I did for Conceptart.org's Chow # 82. It's was entered as a tribute to Glen Angus's- Victory Gals. After the event was done, I went back an did some more touch up on the picture. It's done in Photoshop. Hope you like it.

[Extollere]

Not bad, but here are a couple of things to think about. First, it looks like you started the clouds with the cloud filter. Either that or all you've used it a soft round brush so you're getting the cloud filter look in the end. Don't copy and paste the same helicopter, it's better for your composition to paint new ones from different angles. Speaking of the blades, it might be better to paint them in motion rather than still so the helicopters seem like a part of the action and the moment. Lastly since this is in honor of Gangus you might want to think about the theme you're incorporating. Gangus' flight girls always carried an emotion or patriotic theme representing their lineage.

Just stuff to think about. Most likely you're going to want to do a little more pre planning and prep work for your next piece. A value study and composition study wouldn't hurt either if you want to make the best possible piece that you can.

Cheers

[Justin.]

Yo noiion.

I think this has the potential to be a really awesome piece, mostly if the character was more integrated with the BG.

While doing a paintover I realized WHY the BG is so muted; to make the figure pop. So I kinda fucked that up good =\


But the figure does have some anatomy issues, and the chopper from what I saw also had some major perspective issues. I do like the exaggeration in the figure, but I think the long leg is a bittt too long, and I felt that the loose arm could have been positioned in a more 'natural' way (unless that is against your concept, then nvmnd.)

anyways here they are; (if you don't want them up then PM me and I'll be glad to take them down)

[noiion]

Wow! Thanks for the crit and paintovers, guys. I'll get them fixed.

[Fourth Nail]

The 60's look a little odd without the wheels. They round out the airframe much better, go ahead and put them back on. Also, what's with the two tone paint scheme?

This is a good piece though, I like it. But then, I love blackhawks anyways.


~Z~

[noiion]

Fourth Nail, thank you for your comment. The no wheels and 2 color scheme are just due to my ignorance. I'll get them repainted.

[noiion]

Here's the update everyone. Thanks for all of your help. Especially Justin for the paint-over.

[Justin.]

Awesome!! It looks much better now!
and your welcome!!!

[TheNightPainter]

First, idea is not clear in this piece . In the Glen Angus' pics, girl movement is similar to aircaft movement so we can clearly understand symbolism of the situation. Sorry, but your pic composition is not so clear, and if you have not seen Angus work, you probably can not understand what's going on - may be this girl fallen from sky, or chopper is hunting some flying chick etc.

Second, overall idea of Glen Angus' story is not only extremely kitchy but also complete immoral. As for me, I have nothing personal against the kitch, I have big folders on my computer with Vallejo and Bouguereau pictures, but placing -dressed babes with war machines ( including the nazi aircrafts, which are killed countless families in their own houses across the Europe )...
It's the most tasteless combination here for 1 year I visited this URL. What the f**** sexy in the situation when the pilot killed people he never knows? Killed not even in the face-to-face combat, but just pushing single button? Try to imaging situation when your friend or nieghbour is killed by air strike, he is lying without his head across the street in the pool of blood - you still think it's sexy?

What's next, guys? Dancing Nazi SS stormtroopers or sexy Hiroshima victim?

[waijman]

NightPainter

first of all, i think your cririque of this guys technique may be fair, but the second paragraph of your rant is not

I can't tell if your shitting on angus for what he painted, or on this guy for trying to create a piece in memory of him, but either way, it comes across as tasteless, at least to me (especially if you are shitting on Angus' themes)

whoa re you to jusdge someone's subject matter? So what if it's about planes dropping bombs on people? Is ther something more honorable in stabbing a man to death? i don't quite get what you are trying to say

either way, as a jew myself, My family dealt with all the wonderful things the nazis wrought upon this world, and i don't see what this piece or angus's pices for that matter have anything to do with it

if you want to critique this guy's technique, feel free, but don't come in here shitting on people's choice of subject matter (especially when it isn't all that controversial and when one of those people just passed away)

as for the pice itself, the thing that struck me as the oddest is the placement of the explosion in the background next to her right hand. it almos looks as if she is weilding a fire power or something of that nature. by creating some space between the two, it may read better.

Also, You may want to take a look at some more of the victory gal pieces
most of them convey much more movement, ande, for the most part, the movement of the girls involved mirrors or compliment that of the vehicles they are chosen to represent

[noiion]

Thanks, for all the comments, guys. My planning of the tribute was pretty off because a start with the girl and tried to build everything else around her and it should be the other way around. So I can understand the image can be misinterpreted. I keep the project planning flaws in mind the next time I paint.
TheNightPainter: I can understand where you're coming from, and you do have a point about war being so horrid and ugly. There is no way that I can justify the acts of the Nazi's nor do I wish to. But, I don't think Glen's work has any emphasis on the war but the Victory itself. What I get from looking at his work is that he is trying to show us what's going on in the pilots'/drivers' head. In order to win, these pilots had to establish a relationship with their vehicles. In their minds, these airplanes are more than just machines. The planes are their guardians. They have entrusted their lives into these planes, as their weapon, shield, and armor. These planes are the ones that will take them into battle and getting out of there alive. When they get hit, the planes are the ones that are taking the bullets instead of the pilots. And granted if the eject buttons work the airplanes are the ones that will die while the pilots chutes off into safety. That's why I can picture these machines as beautiful and even sexy. :^^: