Prime Time

[P.J.Irwin]

fun, fun, fun

[Kalango]

nice nice nice :)

[Radio24]

optimus prime rules the world, no question. no fuckin question.
nice work, very nice job with the chrome

[JAG.]

definitely good work man.. looks a bit on the green side but whatever, it works. i think you captured Prime perfectly, well done - JAG

[P.J.Irwin]

jag- you're right about the green, I'd like to say that I must be having calibration problems. But the truth is I went a little overboard with the green in the underpainting stage, I was hoping to use a desaturated greenish orange to compliment the red and blue in Optimus at the same time. But I guess I succeded only in putting a green cast over everything. Thanks for sharing your opinon on my first post in the FF section.

[cepator]

did you do a paintover on this picture?
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2474/tcf410nk7.jpg
cuz they match perfectly

[Robert.B]

pwned!

[Interceptor]

pwned!

not if he just painted it from ref... which he very well could have.

[Kman.]

There are placement differences in various places all over it, I believe it was reffed.

Very awesome job :)

[P.J.Irwin]

Yes. That is the frame that I used for my REFERENCE, kudos on your sharp eye cepator. I was hoping someone would call me out, so I could talk about why I spent so much time and energy doing something completly un-original and pointless. This is the place for innovative conceptual art. I understand that, and I'm not trying to pull a fast one on you. But there are many movies that have an incedible amount of care put in to the design and look of each frame, and it is often over before you know it. Sometimes I will put a movie on pause and just stare at the screen, absorbing every color, shadow, reflection, and shape relationship. But the screen has it limits as far as color range and density go. So I figure that an accurately referenced and tightly detailed painting of my favorite scenes, is a tribute to all of the artists that toiled months so I could have a split second payoff, if the proportions aren't exactly as the makers of the film intended and the visual details are half-assed, then I won't be able to stand looking at it. Now instead of sitting in a darkened room staring at a paused movie, I sit in a brightly lit room and stare at my badass giclee print of Optimus Prime. I hope that anyone who stumbles upon this thread enjoys looking at this (admittedly unoriginal offering) as much as I do. sorry 'bout the longass post...I'm gonna go lurk now.

[Uziel]

Yups those models of transformers were superb worth a little bit of fan art +
compared with the original shot -your darker version has more drama compared with that saturated movie shot.

If it's too green why didn't you play with color balance?
less green gamma
191613

[P.J.Irwin]

Uziel- you understand my motivation exactly.
The jpeg I posted was just after I finished it. The printed version was leveled in the manner you suggested.

[Dizon]

Lower the value of that text on the side, or just completely remove it. It grabs too much attention from Prime.

[Rip80]

ooo, great?!!! reflections and textures are amazing!!!

[TheDirtSyndicate]

There are placement differences in various places all over it, I believe it was reffed.

Very awesome job :)

placement differences my ass.
its a sloppy paint over. i overlayed the 2 in PS... im not buying it.
but of course anything is possible and this is just my opinion... so, no hard feelings mr. irwin.

[schlichte]

i agree with patdzon try blurring the buildings also it will move all of the focus to op

[Alex Alexandrov]

placement differences my ass.
its a sloppy paint over. i overlayed the 2 in PS... im not buying it.
but of course anything is possible and this is just my opinion... so, no hard feelings mr. irwin.

wowz i did that to its a paintover(its even the same resolution) but wow ho knows maybe this is useful too :perv:

[Rayph]

Yeah im almost 95% sure this is a paintover as well. The layover in photoshop just matches to damn well. It looks like it is even zoomed in and cropped slightly to try and throw the size difference off.

So im gonna say 2 things here.

If it is a paintover, then your just being a lousy cheat.

If im wrong then I apologize and great reference work.

[Blue Disciple]

Yes. That is the frame that I used for my REFERENCE

We all know digital reference is a joke. Photoshop makes it way too easy to bend others' art with filters and what not. If you're going to post another piece in FF, do me a whopping favor and take the time to make it an original one.

Me want see ORIGINAL CONTENT.

PS - Optimus Prime is very cool subject matter regardless

[jcaffoe]

Why is everyone so eager to cry paintover? Does it make your own art better?

What would he POSSIBLY gain from painting over an iconic and well-known image, probably the most reproduced screen-grab from the film, and posting it on a concept art message board?

Even if he did match the two up in photoshop, it's a learning exercise, and the care taken to extract precise value/color relationships, as well as model light and shadow across complex metallic surfaces is rather admirable, and what you should be critiquing.

Think of it as a master copy, which it is, and stfu.

P.J.Irwin - very well done, perhaps post the referenced image alongside the finished product next time so people don't think you're trying to fool them, though it seemed pretty obvious to me.

[Goog]

Why is everyone so eager to cry paintover? Does it make your own art better?

What would he POSSIBLY gain from painting over an iconic and well-known image, probably the most reproduced screen-grab from the film, and posting it on a concept art message board?

Even if he did match the two up in photoshop, it's a learning exercise, and the care taken to extract precise value/color relationships, as well as model light and shadow across complex metallic surfaces is rather admirable, and what you should be critiquing.

Think of it as a master copy, which it is, and stfu.

P.J.Irwin - very well done, perhaps post the referenced image alongside the finished product next time so people don't think you're trying to fool them, though it seemed pretty obvious to me.

Methinks people want to make sure that he wasn't trying to pass off the work as his own without giving credit to the original photo, etc, which like you said, should have been done in the first post. Also, master copies usually go in the crit center or learning, since like you said, they're meant as learning experiences. And please don't say stfu, its only meant to be used in matters regarding the president.

[TheDirtSyndicate]

Why is everyone so eager to cry paintover? Does it make your own art better?

it has nothing to do with OUR work, keep in mind this is a COMMUNITY. we want to push ourselves and others here. if you do a paint-over for learning purposes, YOU BETTER FUCKING SAY SO, and DONT post it in the FINALLY FINISHED SECTION which is reserved for people who dont need to do paintovers to create halfway decent artwork.

What would he POSSIBLY gain from painting over an iconic and well-known image, probably the most reproduced screen-grab from the film, and posting it on a concept art message board?

NOTHING. i was asking myself the same goddamn question.

Even if he did match the two up in photoshop, it's a learning exercise, and the care taken to extract precise value/color relationships, as well as model light and shadow across complex metallic surfaces is rather admirable, and what you should be critiquing.

again, LEARNING EXERCISES dont belong in the FINALLY FINISHED SECTION if its a paint over. and i DID critique that, i said "its a sloppy paintover" meaning: its SLOPPY. the color value/relationships, his light modeling, shadows across metalic surfaces, etc, they're sloppy.

Think of it as a master copy, which it is, and stfu.

no it isn't you retard. people who do "master copies" work really fucking hard, usually studying for years on the techniques the masters actually used, and DONT do paintovers.

again, this is just my opinion.

[Alex Alexandrov]

hey come on guys dont start a fight now the guy is obviously new to CA he probably learned his leason.

[P.J.Irwin]

o.k. my bad. Every last person who has responded to this, has a valid point in my opinion. Next time I post in FF it will be original content, maybe even an optimus of my own design, although I'm sure I can't design one as richly complex as the one that cost craploads of money and went through countless revisions. This was the wrong place to post that pic, I get it. Lets stop resurecting this post and give more deserving artists our attention. For the record, I agree that digital reference can be a joke, but it doesn't have to be. Digital art can be a joke if you don't have a foundation in traditional mediums. I use Painter X and try to restrict my self to using it in a traditional manner, in order to avoid too much digital stink. But that is only my personal taste. As far as using digital tools as reference aids, well there are inumerable ways to bullshit, and a select few that are respectable. I am a big fan of the photo-realist movement, eventhough I'll never be able to paint like my favorites. Chuck Close made these giant portraits with a bigass airbrush, so detailed you could see the pores in the skin, but I would be surprised if he didn't have some help getting the larger general proportions correct. Maybe he used a grid as a reference aid, I don't know for sure. Hundreds of years ago some old masters went to a GREAT deal of trouble to insure accuracy, but today it's no trouble at all, copy layers, lower opacity, clone, cut and paste and blend. Or you could just use a grid and a dual monitor setup, I'm not going to try and convince you that's what I did. However I arrived at the image it was obviously innapropiate to post it here. I'll play by your rules from now on...my bad...sorry....so very, very, sorry, I'm such a talentless loser hack asshole, someone should relieve me of my wacom. Special thanks to everyone who enjoyed looking at my "shitty ass paintover" despite everything. If you want to see more scenes from movies transformed into crappy paintings, I guess you'll just have to do it yourself. And if you don't want to see any EVER, then I suggest you don't ever paint any. But rest assured I won't offend your delicate, highly evolved artistic sensibilities in this manner ever again ;)

[Matsign]

Why would you waste the time to do this paintover if you didn't have a artistic purpose in mind. From your response I say your not looking for asspats and praise or stars. Complete2 usually comes out whenever something that is "wrong" appears and will give you his opinion no matter who you are. I don't know the guy personally. I don't see him posting much in FF unless something is amiss.

Looking forward to something original from you! Good luck.

[schfiftyfive]

WOW! lets all just grab our hats and settle down! i think a simple "Post in the Crit section" would have done the job Complete2....

Have a smoke, a shot, something, but calm down.

:)