The Whyatt sketch thread

[Whyatt Thrash]

Hey everyone. I read that you should use the sketch thread as a sketch dump, so that people could see all your work to get a better idea of your faults...

[Whyatt Thrash]

More old stuff... I used to doodle a lot, as you can tell. I used to draw on anything I could get my hands on. Still do, but I try to keep a sketchpad around so I can save the stuff...

And I had a scanner back then :D

[Whyatt Thrash]

A quick 20 minute Jimi sketch I did before going to bed...

[Vigilandus]

That last piece is good! Shows emotion, which is very important. The two guys kissing is a bit too gay for me, but artwise it's one of your best here.

Practise some more anatomy, and learn to construct. (Drawing head and hands by Loomis is a great book, go get it) Build a library!
Might want to try sketching these (http://www.posemaniacs.com/pose/thirtysecond.html).

Cheers,

Frans

[Metajake]

not bad stuff.

I like some of your invented facial anatomy.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thanks for the crits guys. Yes, that kissing pic is seriously gay, there's a story behind that specific piece. A bit of the downer that that's my strongest work... Just goes to prove further that the time you spend on a piece is in no way indicative to the end quality or value of your work.

Thanks for the link, it killed me at the default setting (30 seconds) at 45 I got a bit more comfortable with it. I'll try it again when I'm a bit more awake, it feels like really good training.

Thanks!

[hummdrumm]

i really like the one with the two dudes kissing. its very strong. and i like characters. nice style man.

[Anthis]

Hah.. colorblind aswell. The irony of hanging around this site and not being able to see color properly. >_>

Diverse stuff, some of the portrait drawings look pretty good, and I like the first digitals too. Not sure how long they took you, they seem like speedpaints but pretty accurate.
Many scribbles, but some look really good. Don't know how much of this is 'old' or if you update often though. Just keep practicing and posting, hope to see your stuff pop up in the crit section or activities.


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Anthis' Sketchbook;
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=105027

[Whyatt Thrash]

Yeah, I remember when our job counciler at school asked me what I wanted to do for a living, telling me there were certain jobs I could never take. Like military and pilot or stuff like that. I never figured it'd be an impediment to my carreer when I started working as a graphic designer until one time when a customer asked me about a "weird colour" on an illustration. Hah!

I've got a few systems now that help me prevent embarassing moments like those, but still, yeah. It's certainly a handicap. But, hey, if this guy (http://travelerspen.blogspot.com/2007/05/blind-man-flies-from-london-to-sydney.html) can do it, why can't I? :)

PS. I'm gonna have some new stuff up soon hopefully. I'll get back to work tomorrow and that's where the scanner is, so here's to hoping. :)

[Whyatt Thrash]

As promised... SKETCH DUMP! From magazines, internet, life, and a few originals...

Since I've drawn some from magazines, you might be able to spot a celeb or two in there... And if not I did a crap job. XD

[Niva.]

Hey Whyatt, decided to come here after seeing your comment in the critique center, welcome to CA, you've got a great start to a SB here. The one with the two guys kissing definitely jumps out the most. I think your pencil sketches are much better than your digitals though. I particularly like the one with the two girls - very well done. Keep it up.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Some anatomy exercises. On the ones that have bones, muscles and skin I tried to imagine the "skin" ones using the bones and muscles as reference. I did cheat a tiny bit in places where the exterior appearence is affected by more than bones and muscle (like around the knee), but I think I did ok. Please crit the "skin" pieces if there's something impossible going on in there. I have my doubts about the thigh being able to display that much muscle...

Thanks!

[Whyatt Thrash]

Aiel doodles. First time I did something w/o reference in a loooong time, so it wook me a while to get warmed up... The first far dareis mai was the initial character sketch, and the notes around her were made after I had done all the doodles and actually researched what the books say about the cadin'sor attire... I got very little wrong, it seems... The one with the two aiel and the trolloc was actually just meant as a character study of her, but turned into something else.

Yes, I have problems with drawing characters in perspective... *sigh*

[Trip]

Haha! Man! Nothing boring on this SB! I really enjoy all the dynamism in your work, outrageous poses, outrageous colors, great value, Pencils feel the strongest to me. Anatomy is your weakest point(as is for us all) But, seriously, their is some great stuff in here. I prefer the pencil renders over all.
cheers

[Whyatt Thrash]

N1va & trip: Well, I love the pencils, I guess you can tell.... :) I've never really felt passionate about digitals, or colouring at all.

I used to think that painting and colours didn't agree with me, and then I really tried it for a while and noticed I actually could get decent results.. But like I said, it's never been a favourite of mine, it just felt like the next natural step, and people kept bugging me that I should do digitals...

I've realized exactly how much I don't know and how much I need to study so, as you can tell, I concentrate heavily on studying... Right now, anatomy and posing and life. Then maybe perspective. Then maybe when I can do decent sketches without copping out and faking it, I can take up colouring again. In like a year or two... :D

Thanks for all your comments! I appreciate all the help I can get! :D

[FoxinShocks]

Hi Whyatt! excellent stuff stuff you've got here, and so much improvement just over these last few posts. One crit though, alot of the poses you've got the girls in are ridiculously over-feminized, I mean it's good to have some gender differentiation but why is that chick with the spears shoving her boobs out like that? I just tried this and it's a very uncomfortable way to stand :P

Lots of love man you're getting extremely good.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thanks, man (or woman? :)). I hadn't thought about over-feminization... I am a dedicated fan of over-posing, regardless of gender and species...

I'll try to keep that it in mind so that it doesn't look ridiculous though when it's not what I'm intending. That aiel woman (spearlady) was just a character concept to begin with, then it sorta turned into a scene, so I didn't really plan for that pose to have to communicate something.

The problem that I see with it is that it's not a very aiel or warrior way to stand, I don't think an aiel would ever strike that pose. Maybe that's what you mean, it's not too feminine per se but it's too feminine for a warrior?

I'm not being defensive, just trying to understand what it is I'm doing wrong and why and how I could fix it.

Cheers!

Edit: Just came back to it some time later, and now I see it. Yeah the pose is definetily not appropriate for the setting. I'll have to think more about attitude even in my character studies I suppose... It's refreshing sometimes to realize exactly how bad your work is. At least it feels like I'm getting some kind of insight... Thanks! :D

[Jacob Kobryn]

Not at all how I pictured either but still very cool.
I've got to paint up a trolloc... my image of one is very different from any I've seen portrayed it seems.
Jake

[Whyatt Thrash]

I bought myself a new sketchbook the other day, the old one was full. So here are some sketch dumps!

Nothing special... First one, trying to capture sexy again... These were pretty fast. Then some life.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Some more. These are from my girlfriend's flamenco-class. It's their fourth lesson so there wasn't a lot of skirt-twirling, but still productive for me. Good practice on drawing the body in motion, although they look pretty inanimate in the sketches. I drew it all with a pretty soft pencil, which in retrospect feels like a mistake. The new sketchbook takes some getting used to....

Last are some pose-doodles.

Any and all tips on improvement are appreciated! Thanks!

[Whyatt Thrash]

Would just like to add that I crit hard, and expect the same in return. I don't need no soft around the edges, I need to improve in any way I can. So anything that you think might help me advance, just throw it at me.

Please, tear me apart!

[IvkeBG]

Great progress man :). You seem to have trained your eye, I recognized all the celebs that you drew. One thing I think you should work on more is line quality. You should relax your arm a little and be loose. That's one thing I'm striving for as well. Also try to simplify your values more and think in 6 basic types of values for each independent object: [highlight, local value, halftone], [core shadow, reflected light, cast shadow]. Try to always think ahead and decide which value goes to which category, and don't mix them. Good luck, keep sketching!

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I really dig your anatomy studies. Which book(s) are u using?

[Whyatt Thrash]

Yeah I agree on the line quality. I've had a bad couple of days when I can't draw worth of crap. And I seem to regress to old mistakes and old ways and it just makes me feel like crap. I really need to start improving lines again...

I don't quite understand what you mean about the shadows... What's "local value"? And what do you mean by not mixing values? That I shouldn't let a cast shadow overlap a core shadow? I'm confused... :)

The anatomy studies are from here: http://www.amazon.com/Artistic-Anatomy-Practical-Art-Books/dp/0823002977/ref=sr_1_10/103-2810211-3269451?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190189797&sr=1-10
It's basically a reference book of muscles and bones, like a medical encyclopedia but from an artists point of view. It's pretty cool.

I'm waiting on getting some Hogarth books but damn Amazon takes forever... Two days late already! Come on, I don't have forever to learn this stuff!! :D :D

[IvkeBG]

I don't quite understand what you mean about the shadows... What's "local value"? And what do you mean by not mixing values? That I shouldn't let a cast shadow overlap a core shadow? I'm confused... :)

Sorry dude, I realize I've been a little vague on the values comment. The local value as some teachers describe it is the value of an object when it's diffusely lit, without strong shadows or lights. It's the color of the object's material represented as value. For example a dark red shirt vould have a local value of 4 (1 being black and 10 being white). You probably know this stuff, only use different terminology. As for the mixing, I meant that no part of the shadow should be as light as any part of the light. For instance a lot of people tend to make the reflected light lighter than it is, as light as the halftone and it breaks up the illusion of the form. I did a little sketch to clarify this, hopefuly it'll help you more than my babbling :) I'll try to remember which books I used for the theory and I'll let you know. Cheerz!

[Whyatt Thrash]

Yeah the light theory really kills me. I try to understand it as best I can but I dunno why I find it so difficult. Sorry to be a bother, but could you point out some recent sketch that looks like I tried hard to reflect shadow and colour correctly and messed this up?

There are a lot of recent life sketches with moving bodies where I just tried to capture the form in a quick way and didn't really care about value, so I know that those are all wrong. You think I should focus as much on value as on form on those studies?

[JellevdVegt]

hey, i should first concentrate on getting teh linedrawing good... if your linedrawing is bad, the rendering will never look good no matter how hard you try.

good luck

[IvkeBG]

...could you point out some recent sketch that looks like I tried hard to reflect shadow and colour correctly and messed this up?

You think I should focus as much on value as on form on those studies?

I can't find anything where you messed up the reflected light, it's more that in some sketches you've only got basically halftones throughout, or in some sketches your value shapes are off. The educatinal material that is helping me the most is Andy Loomis' 'Creative Illustration' chapter on values (especially when he's quoting Howard Pyle), Fred Fixler's notes on drawing (google it), and Morgan Weistling's painting demo DVD, he explained basic theory very clearly. But the thing that helped me heaps as well is looking at the life drawings (quick sketches and studies the most) of instructors at Watts atelier. When you look at those drawings you can really see the simplification process, you can pinpoint all the basic value types. Also examine the painters that were really good with simple tonal plans like Frazetta, Vermeer, Rembrandt. Try to get/see some of that stuff, it'll help you a lot.

Your sketches named 'Looking_out_by_WhyattThrash', that sketch on the far right, also the left sketch in 'dump10' file, that's a good example of where you should probably direct your rendering prtactice, they are really good. Simple values, easily readable when zoomed out.

As for the studies, if you're quicksketching, you are striving to capture proportions, rhythm, balance, and/or basic tonal plan at best (just simple light and simple shadow). If you are doing value studies, you are focusing on both drawing and rendering. You should probably do both imo. Drawing is the basic building block, but value comes right after.

Well, that's about it. Try to get a hold of some of that learning material. Good luck dude, keep on sketching :)

[Jillian]

You got some really great work here, it's hard to find something to criticize, what are you aiming for through your art? realism? I'm not that great with a pencil myself, but as far as your digital art goes, it looks like you did the digital paintings from a pencil sketch because you kept your original shading from the pencil piece (especially of the dragon). Try painting something from scratch digitally, or at least re-doing the shadows over with digital paint.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Edit: Realized my post didn't make any sense, so I changed it to sound a little less contradicting.. :)

Geez, there are several things I'm trying to learn. The things that are most important to me now are:

- Realism. Recreating shadows and lines "correctly". I've never cared much for it in my final presentation of art, but I want to learn it nevertheless. Maybe it sounds crazy, but I just want to learn it cause I feel it'll lift the quality of everything else I do even though I never apply it...

- how to present a theme and pose/motion through simple line gestures

- how to create an emotional piece through use of value and not lines.

- line quality in itself is not a priority for me right now, the general communication of the piece feels a lot more valid at this time.. I've realized that my linework has declined recently, it used to be pretty confident... I think it's due to me now working with whole new themes, styles, and ways of drawing lines, and I think my hand just isn't accustomed to all the new types of lines I'm doing. When I draw the same type of lines I've always done I have the same confidence as always. But with all the new stuff I try to do, I look like a bloody noob... Frustrating! One step forward - two frigging steps back! :D So I'm confident the line quality will come eventually, when I get more accustomed to my new way of working...

I understand that while my goals aren't mutually exclusive, they are difficult to achieve simultaneously. But still, these are my current goals. That, and anatomy. Always anatomy. :D

I'm currently studying anatomy and perspective, and combining studies with drawing from life, and moving/still images.

[jdeegz]

can i ask if you are doing skull studies? some of your faces look really wonky, like you didn't start with a sphere and created the guidlines. I never used too, but I have been recently and it has made a large difference in my heads.

if you look some where in my sketchbook there are stick figures, if you want to depict poses in quick strokes those are they way to go, and it is always best to learn big!

i don't have much else to say because i m still learning too :)
-Jim

[FactorZero]

man you really draw profusely. try to tighten up your lines quality on some of those pencil sketches. You can sketch loose without being overly scratchy. Use more flowing lines.

[Whyatt Thrash]

jdeegz: No, I'm not doing skull studies. I generally just put in the browline roughly, and then place features and sketch them in. I'm guessing this is bad practice. :)

When I say "presenting a theme or a motion through simple gestures", I refer to something like the attachments. These, of course, aren't drawn by me.

Would stick figures be the start to this? I already use lines & skeletons when planning figures, isn't that the same thing?

Factorzero: Sorry, but what does profusely mean? :)

I think what's affecting my lines now is that in all the new life work I'm doing, I'm working "straight up" on the sketchbook. Ie, I'm just holding the SB in front of me, and working straight up on it. I've realized that some kinds of lines were difficult for me, and I've just used to either bend my arm, or twist the sketchbook so I could draw that kind of line using the same hand motion that I'm comfortable with.

So I've been doing some line exercises recently to be able to draw a bit better without twisting my arm or SB, but I'm not quite there yet. So, well... I'm hoping this'll improve as long as I'm aware of it.

EDIT: Removed images so that they won't be confused for being drawn by me even. Seems people thought they were mine, even though I had a HUGE frigging disclaimer among the images... :D

[Whyatt Thrash]

Nothing fancy, just trying to overcome frustration. Working on correct portrayal of values as well as some concentration on more refined linework.

[FactorZero]

Looking a lot better here. smoother tighter lines.

profusely

In great quantity or abundance; in a profuse manner.
The run left him sweating profusely.

[Whyatt Thrash]

K, thanks for the explanation. I'll do my best to keep those lines in check and not make them "profuse"... :D

[Whyatt Thrash]

Just wanted to do something different... And work without reference for a change... :D

[FactorZero]

I meant profuse in a good way. As in, you draw a lot, constantly which is really good. Cool concept, that's an interesting way of drawing the figure. It kinda reminds me of how Tensai Tokyo draws, but less angular.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Ah, ok! In any case, I'll do my best to keep those lines in check... And still I feel I don't draw half as much as I should...

Well tomorrow I'll celebrate my birthday, so I'll allow myself a brief moment of respite, but other than that I just feel "What are you doing?? You should be sketching, you lazy bum!" Hah! :D

[FoxinShocks]

That hand coming out of the mouth is so cool! There's really a lot of improvement in here, especially in the last few. You do tend to pet your lines a bit (I do this too) and I'm wondering if this is because you've stopped rotating your hand or sketchbook. I don't get what's wrong with twisting, I mean it's practically impossible, at least for me, to get a line as smooth and accurate going right to left as left to right. I assumed this was a product of the way right handed people hold their pens?

[OBX]

hey, dont fret the lines. they do take a lot of time and patience tho. to get those whooshy art student like figure drawings you'll have to master drawing ellipses. and a lot of those are done on massive newsprint pads... not a sketch book, and it takes a considerable amount of talent to replicate that on a smaller scale. To draw them the person moves thier whole shoulder and swings it around drawing the ellipse in the air above the paper and then wen they think they have the right ellipse they drop down the charcoal. to get those whooshy lines u'll have to learn to manipulate and draw fractions of ellipses. then wen confidence builds u can practice "s" curves etc. and work them into ur drawing strategies. If you like I could divulge more ideas. But I wont waste ur time any longer. just be patient and give it time. great stuff. keep working at it and you'll get there.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Foxinshocks: Yeah, I used to feel there was nothing wrong with twisting my notebook or arm, until I started trying to catch quick poses from life standing up or sitting down holding up my sketchbook in front of me with my other hand. It's impossible to get down quick lines trying to twist everything around all the time.

So no, I don't think it has anything to do with the physical action of the angle of pen towards paper, but rather whether you're comfortable drawing those lines or not. And comfort is all about getting accostumed, so I'm trying hard to get accostumed...

Imagine the possibilities of being able to draw any line you want with the same speed and accuracy in one linear flow! That'd be sweet... :D

OBX Thanks, man! I'm very interested, please divulge! :D

[armetage]

ive seen this imabe before:http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196387&stc=1&d=1188816648
Its a photograph taken from zemotion. think the adress is www.zemotion.net
You should type something about where you got it from if you aint the photographer herself

[Whyatt Thrash]

Exactly, it is Zemotion! Nice call! As credited on my deviantart page: http://whyattthrash.deviantart.com/art/This-side-up-63983006

This is a sketch thread of learning, these are by definition copies of others' works. From Leonardo da Vinci to Burne Hogarth to Andrew Loomis to Magazines, still life and Zemotion. :)

If I typed out who was the original artist of every piece or exactly where I got every single topic from, I'd be typing more than I'd be drawing... Also, in that same post I did do a general source-definition of sorts... I did in no way try to take credit for a work I did not do, or claim that it was created entirely by me...

As promised... SKETCH DUMP! From magazines, internet, life, and a few originals...

Since I've drawn some from magazines, you might be able to spot a celeb or two in there... And if not I did a crap job. XD

Besides, Zemotion doesn't seem to care either way about my horrible fanart. I informed her about it and she hasn't commented it in any way, neither good nor bad...

You should type something about where you got it from if you aint the photographer herself

PS. It sounds like you're accusing me of plagiarism. Are you?

[OBX]

Wen u draw straight lines 1-6 inches in length use ur elbow. plant it and swing. use ur wrist only to compensate for the small arc created by the elbow. Ghost a lot at first. Ghosting is drawing the line in the air. practicing like how golfer do practice strokes. its like previsualizing your stroke. once ur know what ur doing u wont need to ghost ur lines so much. but the pro's still do it for really important strokes they wanna get right the first time.

another helper is to do point to point lines. kinda like connect the dots. I know this is how artists like scott robertson and feng zhu draw. The dots are nice lil reminders. Just coz someone draws this one way doesnt mean you have to do that same, and it doesnt mean that if u draw that way u'll be as good as them... thier abilities are an accumulation of many skills put together. But know where your lines are going is a big part of it. Its a continual evolution throughout your whole lifetime. Ive seen video photage of a 90 year old cartoonist who's been drawing his whole life and he to had to find and work out ever line, just like the rest of us.... but hell, his pen control was insane!

OK the point to point isnt about drawing the line perfectly so it stops right on the point. Its more about putting down a visual land mark. then u ghost ur line between the dots. and wen ur confident ur line will connect them drop it and let the magic happen. dont worry if u over shoot the point. just make sure u hit it. practice small and work ur way to larger lines. start like 1 inch and the work ur way to six. I used to fill whole 8x11 sheets of just lines when i practiced this technique. with it u should be able to make straight lines without the assistance of a ruler or straight edge.

Then the ellipses are good practice too. After a few straight lines train elbow to oscellate the pen in ellipses or ovals. circles are really tough and take a lot of practice to hit... just work on really stretched out ellipses first. just spin the pen above the paper till you can almost see the ellipse ur want. wen ur confidence summons drop the pen and make the ellipse.... it wont be perfect bcoz u'll prolly miss the closing point of the oval. everyone does. but after practice ull be able to close them almost perfectly. u can use this method for making arcs and curves to, simply draw certain parts of the ellipse and then pic up the pen before it completes.

I hope this gets u going. now drawing is like playing an instrument, there is no one way to do it. just work hard and find wat works for u. once uve put the miles down, literally, u'll get there. I personally found the tactic of using my elbow as a sort of hinge to hit my lines revolutionized my thought and learning process. now i dont even need to have my elbow planted to hit straight lines. I still use my fingers to draw tho. and wen doing large paintings or sketches u'll have to use ur shoulder to get the same result... and on an even bigger scale ur waist and eventually ur legs.

for more on lines and just drawing period check out this dudes blog: http://tenminutedrawing.blogspot.com/

hope that is a lil better. pm me with any questions. I'll try and help u to the best of my knowledge.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thank you so much OBX! I'm already using those techniques to some degree, but now I'll make sure to really, really practice it to... well not really to perfection, but a lot! :D

Thanks!

[HellsCountess]

Beautiful.

Realism is something I never attempted to conquer- I hope to someday, but until then, I'll stay in comic form, thanks. But your muscle studies almost have me convinced.

I love your digital painting, it's really gorgeous.

Cheers!

[Rabid]

First image in post number 32 is my favorite. It's so simple but you captured everything that was needed. Great gesture! Your style ahs a great sense of mood and poses.

There are some anotomy issues with a couple but they are not so recognized unless you really look for em. Just keep drawing, you have a great eye for observation!

[Whyatt Thrash]

Sorry to disappoint you man, but like it says in my post, they were not drawn by me but examples of what I want to learn to do.

So, it's good praise, but for some artist other than me. :D

Thanks for the attention anyways...

[Anairellan]

Returnin' the favor!

Let me start by saying what I really enjoy about your work, and what I feel stands out from perusing your sketches right now. Expression. Whether it's deadly calm or some crazy emotion you had to invent new ways for faces to stretch to convey, all your pictures have got it in spades. I think that's great.

Some of your sketches up near the top of this page remind me alot of Dynamic Figure Drawing by Burne Hogarth. It's a cool book you've probably heard about a million times, but if you haven't, check it out.

All in all, great work. I'm afraid I haven't much more to say!

[IMBass]

I love everything on post #10. I'll be more thorough later. Gotta go to work.

[IMBass]

Oh. The Jimi portrait is awesome. I love your pencil work. I can't really give you advice on how to improve because you are ahead of me as far as skill.

[mumrah]

I know it's a really simple point but your drawing of ears isn't great- I hate drawing them too and you can't always cover them with hair. When they're wrong the entire drawing suffers x

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thanks everyone!

mumrah: Good point, I've never actually seen ears as a problem area for me, but looking back on the drawings I can totally see what you mean. I'll work on those... :)

[Anurizm]

great sb, get you a direct light source of some sort and cast the light on some fruit or your head. you should get some good value studies out of it.

[MeTaL-Mike]

cool sb. keep practicing and you will achieve your goal, im sure

[Pascallo]

Yo Whyatt!
You seem to be a busy bee around CA as to crits and helps! Good thing man! And so I came across your book. I see nice stuff around here and that you are definitely on the right way.
You should watch your pencil strokes though to have them all not being the same weight: You could do variation in regard of the material, light stroke for soft skin, a heavy stroke for metal or bone etc.
Some minor anatomy or proportion issues are visible here and there. Did you start with muscles right away and leaving out the mannequin-studies? If so I would suggest you to check this boring stuff, since thats what I am doing these days.
Keep it up and have fun!

[marc_redd]

As promised... SKETCH DUMP! From magazines, internet, life, and a few originals...

Since I've drawn some from magazines, you might be able to spot a celeb or two in there... And if not I did a crap job. XD


Dude, I'm feelin these sketches! F'en RAD!:}

[JailHouseRock]

Dude Love It All!

[ghoulio]

Heyyy...

I really dig your own pencil designs and your anatomy studies...maybe put some color in one of your own.

good luck, see ya...

[Kat_Warrior]

Wow, I really like your style! It has this great balance between "realistic" and "comic/cartoon". This is especially evident in the faces of your characters. :)

[Diphallia]

Draw more before I come to stockholm and rape your house.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Dude, I don't have a scanner! Here's a self portrait I did yesterday, captured Cell-phone styleee, yeah!

I know the right eye is too far up. I did it quick, ~20 mins standing in front of the mirror. Didn't notice the eye til later. My jaw got pretty tired at the end though so I just wanted to wrap it up... :)

[Whyatt Thrash]

great sb, get you a direct light source of some sort and cast the light on some fruit or your head. you should get some good value studies out of it.

Definetily gonna do me some of these, thanks mate!

You should watch your pencil strokes though to have them all not being the same weight: You could do variation in regard of the material, light stroke for soft skin, a heavy stroke for metal or bone etc.


Gonna have to keep this in mind, I'm sure I'm gonna forget all about it but I'll TRY to keep this in mind. And yeah, I'm doing the ole mannequin studies but I just started fairly recently. Thanks for the material-tip!

And thanks to the rest of y'all for the encouragement. :)

[Art_Addict]

Just a heads up. Good studies.

Will write a crit later.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Random sketch dump! From life and originals.. Tried to freehand some model constructions and muscle studys, on the life drawings I focused on values...

I'm still aware of the low left eye on the self portrait... I just thought I'd leave it as a 20 min study and do better next time. :D

[Clodioz]

me gustó la cebolla :D

[Whyatt Thrash]

Y eso era lo unico? Puta la wea, estoy haciendo algo mál... :D

[Clodioz]

mmmm necesito saber el secreto de tu español... es que disculpa... pero tenía que decir algo en español para que tu spañol salioera..

eres descendiente de Chilenos?

[alesoun]

I'm liking it!
*fixes gimlet gaze*
....but when do we get to see some finished work? Take those good sketches a stage further!

[Maestro Andres]

Your sketches are getting better. Seems you are getting a good grasp of drawing faces, don't blame you on that one they are very appealing to draw :)

For the moment, in order to increase your sense of value, just spend more time on a piece that way you will be forcing your eye to see more. It is a matter of training your eye to observe. Right now, your rendering is working well but could be further developed. Leave your whites for the strongest highlights and add shade to the rest even if it is subtle. Doing some still lifes will help you on that, yep they are sometimes boring but you will learn a lot from them. Hopefully, this doesn't sound too obvious and might be helpful somehow.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Clodioz: Jaja! No compadre, mi descendencia es medio de gitanos, algo de finlandes, sueco, ruso seguramente pero de Chileno no tengo nada (por lo que sepa yo). Mis amigos dicen que vivo como un gitano, asi que de eso seguramente tambien tengo algo... :)

No, es que vivi tres años en España, y alli conoci a mi polola que es chilena... Fuimos a Chile a vivir tambien un tiempecito, pero no era un proyecto muy exitoso. :)

Asi que... El español lo domino bastante. Con acento chileno, por supuesto. Cashai, o no? :D

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thanks for the comments, guys!

Aleosun: Finished pieces? Yeah, I'm still in the sketching stage, I find it hard to really find a liking to colours. Pencils are my favourite medium, and the most rewarding for me. Up til now at least when I'm learning about values etc, I've always found that creating the structure for the drawing is much more interesting than shading and the such... I'll see what I can do though, I'm gonna have to whip something up or people will lose interest... But it's hard to stray from the pencil, I just like it so damn much... :D

Andres: Many of these pieces actually have the "subtle shading" you're requesting, but the scanner I'm using just seems to eat them up... Those big white spaces on many drawings are just what it looks like, overexposure from the scanner. :(

I totally see what you're saying though, everything noted, am definetily and will definetily think about it.

Thanks again!

[Clodioz]

oahhh! capicci!
es que como en Suecia viven hartos chilenos y hubo cierta frase que te salió un tanto chilena y un dibujo tenía una nota en sp ... xd

[That fat kid]

Hey Whyatt,

Pretty solid progress so far, good to see the seeming commitment to the craft. The best thing you've posted, hands down, is that study of an onion, it uses planes and line to describe form with lost edges and dark darks.

Right now, your work is still in it's early stages, you're having problems with the basic proportions, line, value, structure, and it seems as if you're scared of color and also finishing things, based on your responses to others.
Drawing is understanding, not copying. The point of doing a copy is to understand how a master came to the conclusions he did, not to replicate his work. Ask yourself questions like, why did he make these lines like this, why are these values chosen, how do these edges reinforce the form? Sitting in front of another person's work just trying to duplicate it does you little good.

The age old mantra of DRAW FROM LIFE is what I'm getting at. Those self portraits are getting there, but because you're scared of finishing, you're not developing the pieces enough to see your own mistakes. That's bad. One of the best things an artist can do is see the mistakes as quickly and efficiently as possible. Look at your own self portrait, spend time looking at it and trying to figure out for yourself why it isn't as successful as it could be. After that, understand what needs to be changed and try to understand how and why it needs to be changed.

Do some more self portraits, from life, and spend a ton of time on them, especially in the beginning...don't spend any time shading (which is actually about describing how planes are affected by the light rather than putting in tone, tone is a means to form). Spend all the time using LINE to describe as much as possible, meaning to work out the proportions, work out the foreshortening, work out the shapes of the shadows, and work out why certain line weights directly change how form is understood.

Once you've adequately brought your drawing as far as you think you can with just line, start to add the tone, following form to describe the planes. And here's the kicker, because you'll be using a pencill, you'll still be using line to make the form. Hence, line is quintessential to drawing.

Do not be afraid of how the drawing looks, that's just a byproduct of how well you understand what you're seeing. Just be concerned with the process of understating what you're seeing, what mistakes seem to be cropping up, and why they did, and how to better understand how not to make those mistakes again.

I hope to see an attempt! If not, I just hope to see more honest effort.

~Andrew

[Whyatt Thrash]

I hope to see an attempt! If not, I just hope to see more honest effort.

You don't think my efforts look honest enough? :assspank:

Even though it's not evident, I assure you I do my best to learn with what I got, study and observe whenever I can, and follow all the advice and critique given to me. I think it's fairly obvious if you follow my thread that a few posts after each critique I've worked on exactly the critique offered. But maybe it's not obvious, and maybe I'm just not getting it or not progressing fast enough.

Thanks for the tips, though... Gonna have a go at what you described. Sounds hard, and hard is good... "Hard" is "learning". :)

[Whyatt Thrash]

Jaja, sisi, aca hay cualquier cantidad de chilenos, es verdad... Gracias a Pinocho.. :/

Pense: que raro, que no suelo escribir en mis dibujos en español... Pero AHORA cacho, te referi a ESTE (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=181235&stc=1&d=1186411302) dibujo... Si te fijai ves que es un formulario de gramatica española, o sea eso era cuando me fui a españa y estudié español... O sea, hace haaaaaarto tiempo...

Eso explica el misterio... Ya po, bueno, gracias por comentar, me alegro mucho que... te gusto... la... cebolla?? Que chucha??? :D :D

Hasta ahora compadre! :yayca:

[Whyatt Thrash]

Hey everyone. No time to comment on these, gotta run!

[Diphallia]

this (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=248006&stc=1&d=1196182249) one's cool.
A funny thing is that the drawing of Noë is over a month old. (and I remember it from the what does everyone look like thread)
and the girl on the bottom of that (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=248005&stc=1&d=1196182245) scan is nice :D

[guggemmaneuver]

Whatever you have to do with your work, your school, your family: go study at the stockholm atelier... There you can become unstoppable.

IT'S IN YOUR TOWN! That's all you have to do. Hang out with my friend archipelago if you don't already! I just got done plein aire painting with an artist friend on this site and can assure you that the value from these friendship far outweighs the awkward artistic headbutting that inevitably occurs. Makes both parties better artists, and you can share technical tips. I've been evangelizing casein lately, but that's just me. said group of artistic friends have incredibly enriched and bettered my artwork and my life.

be nice to fatty, he's only challenging you... it's not a personal attack i assure you. Yeah he's a bit gruff sometimes but that's not something to take to heart. the "I crit hard, return the favor" mantra in your signature might be tempting folks like fatty to roast you. when someone does that keep that in mind.

my personal opinion on your artwork is that you need to draw more. it's a complicated analysis / seemingly generic but it's true. your marks, tones, concepts lack the confidence of hard-won and impossible to replace experience. ... become more obsessed with it. make it second nature to be staring at a page trying to figure out what to do next in a piece of art.

impress the hell out of us.

we expect nothing less. :)

gugg

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thanks Gugg! That school looks kickass. I'm gonna apply to Konstfack (again...) this spring, but this school looks a lot closer to what I'm actually interested in studying... This kindof sinks the whole deal though:

Atelier Stockholm does not currently have CSN, but has applied for CSN approval. Obtaining CSN is a lengthy bureaucratic process and so it is unfortunately not possible to say when approval will be granted.

That's the problem with private schools. Expensive stuff...

[a la bapsi]

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=240709&stc=1&d=1195218250
^ that made me lol. you're all like "HEY GUYZ~"
You were aware of the low left eye and fixed it, so I don't have much to say about it. ;D
Can't wait what else you do with that Thor concept. :D
Anyone/thing that wields an axe is win.
a;lksdjflakdsfj KEEP POSTING

[Whyatt Thrash]

Still alive, still drawing... :) Random stuff from this week.

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From the travel/bus/train sketchbook.

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From another travel sketchbook

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"At home" sketches :lounge:

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Took a quick stab at colouring one of last week's sketches. I figure I should do some reference paintings before I do more of these...

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Feet...

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These are for Ilaekae's "10 female, 10 male, 10 alien individuals" character design class...

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More faces... Life, ref and... not. :)

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Some hatching exercises and a DSG drawing...

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Life drawing

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I finally realized the stupidity in not having my own scanner. Life, Photos and Originals. Media: Pencil, Ink and Acquarel.

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What's new... Ink and pencil. Both photo reffed.

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Tiny up. Pencils & Acquarel. Both photo reffed.

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This here's Emma, in Illustrator from photo ref.

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Some unreffed sketches

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A composite image of all frames in an animation of a "glass" wall breaking. I thought it looked neat. Illustrator.

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One original, one photo ref.

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Objective: sexy. Photo reffed.

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Photo reffed. Top one's a friend, bottom one's apparently gonna be playing spider-man. Here doing his previous role, emo-man.

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After going through the critique center

[W.Rowland]

lol, love the owen wilson. awesome sketches n watercolors :)

[Whyatt Thrash]

Everybody keeps doing Art nouveau inspired pieces but me... But I LOVE Art nouveau! So I had to fix that.

[Obstfelder]

hehe, Emo-man. That should be a comic (or possibly it is allready).

Nice sketching! But if you wanna do art nouveau you gotta go totally overboard with the flowers and curly woodcarvings ;)

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Perspective study. Photo reffed from http://www.characterdesigns.com

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Some sketches done during me trip to Amsterdam. Before anyone asks: NO, I don't smoke... No "creativity-enhancement" here, apart from being in a new place and around new people.

Last two are random people at a café. People in Amsterdam are pre-tty damn beautiful! :)

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Illustration

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Random sketches

[Brandon Pilcher]

Although your subject matter is quite surreal, your sketches are of very high quality. I have no criticism of them whatsoever (although admittedly that is because I am a novice).

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thanks for stopping by man, if you keep at it I'm sure you'll have progressed to give me some more crits in no time!

I'll just keep on keeping on then. :)

[Whyatt Thrash]

Some new stuff from the metro sketchbook.

http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/jumpingworry.jpg
http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/fluffymcfluffers.jpg
http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/hornybastard.jpg
http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/totallyhot.jpg
http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/twotounge.jpg

[Whyatt Thrash]

Trying to work on portraying volume by hatching. Maybe I'm being too subtle about it...

http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/thefunparts.jpg

Body construction

http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/hotpose.jpg

[Whyatt Thrash]

Just for fun

http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/vurrydress.jpg

http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/cc.jpg

http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/donttellanyone.jpg

[Velocity Kendall]

your pencils kick much ass, nice!

[Whyatt Thrash]

I don't know nuthin bout that, but I know that they DRAW a lot of ass... :D

Thanks mate, that's awfully kind of you. :)

[Whyatt Thrash]

Yes, the crummy hand study was just an excuse to draw a... crummy dragon. :D I just really wanted a pet dragon on my hand. :)

http://www.peratt.com/jan/upload/crummydragon.jpg

[Catish]

i like your confident drawings of women.

i too am working on shading of volume. it's difficult, especially with females. since i draw women i want the shading to look soft, so i use the flat base of mechanical pencil (HB) to lightly shade. this is good technique when dealing with the bouncy spheres of female architecture, but you have to be careful not to making the drawing look flat (it's easy to do).
one of the big things you have to decide is whether to retain the outer line, or blend that in. this will form a large part of any approach.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Thanks dude! like I said, some people suggested I use hatching to increase the feel of volume. Just like you said, it's hard to use just soft shading without making the form look flat. So Im currently trying to experiment between how much hatching to use and how much should be blended shading. I'm doing this without guidance, so it's just experimenting away I guess. But it goes to reason that the soft, delicate parts might benefit from a soft, blended shading...

Thanks for the heads up!

[Whyatt Thrash]

When archiving sketchbooks, found these old doosies that I just adore. Enjoy! The "abstract" one and the half-finished profile are from life. Love the linework on that one, THIS is what happens when you sharpen your pencils, boys and girls! Must remember to do that ore often. :D

[Klaus Reinbach III]

yumy sketches, and some abstract stuff too. Mmmh yeah hatching would be a good idea, but I can totaly see your abstract stuff going well with just black and white and some heavy linewheight. Or for hatching, try not using a pencil, but a pen, or fineliner. So you stay on doing lines and not shading soft.

Have fun =)

[Whyatt Thrash]

Recently people have been on me about lineweight. So I thought I'd better do an ink piece then. :)

[rass]

I'd kill to see more of the watercolour experiments you were doing at the start of last year, they are fantastic!
You seem to have great control over your pencils man, keep it up!

[Whyatt Thrash]

I did a big painting.

[Kamber Parrk]

It's Johnny Cash flipping us the finger from 1940s style propaganda colors!

Very nice.

[Whyatt Thrash]

It's Johnny Cash flipping us the finger from 1940s style propaganda colors!

Very nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow

:D Thanks!

[MaFeng]

Wow!Your work in paper amazing me.It really good,as well as your prefect muscle figure through the mirror in your last one work,haha.

[Whyatt Thrash]

Rass: This is for you. :)

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Aquarelle. Photo ref.

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Aquarelle

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Acrylic experiments. One from photo ref.

[Cojac]

I really like the first nude you did at the begning of the thread. Great drawings!

[TheDonQuixotic]

Niiiice work man. Really solid stuff. Keep it up.

[Whyatt Thrash]

I dunno... Rendering exercise? Photo reffed. Unknown photographer/source.

EDIT: Update. Better?

EDIT AGAIN: Upload manager killed the first upload. This thing is starting to bug the hell out of me...

[Jason Scanlon]

not feeling it for some reason. also the being partially colored is distracting. Amazing sketchbook by the way.

[Lightship69]

Just popped by to have a look mate and yes you do draw lots of ass! and very nicely too theres just something sublime about a nice shaped butt and small panties................ er got to go now nursey says its time for my meds and a lay down ! LOL

Keep it up mate its great !!

[Partisan]

its you ! well ...almost

http://attachments.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1251502&d=1307638683

so long and keep up the good work !
Seb

[Lightship69]

Ok matey

Its been ages .................... can we have some more posts please I need the inspiration of your great pencil works, so come on mate crack on!!

all the best matey